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| tidwellr | hi | 14:59 |
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| john-davidge | hi | 14:59 |
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| mfranc213 | hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 15:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tidwellr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | #chair mlavalle carl_baldwin | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 15:01 |
| tidwellr | calr_baldwin is here, we do announcements! j/k | 15:01 |
| tidwellr | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| tidwellr | mid-cycle is coming 17th-19th | 15:03 |
| tidwellr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 15:03 |
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| tidwellr | anybody have a sense for what some of the hot topics might be? | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | There have been some ML posts. There are lots of topics. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | Etherpad has a lot of info on it. | 15:05 |
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| haleyb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle-workitems | 15:05 |
| tidwellr | I asked because I didn't see much other than travel info in the etherpad | 15:06 |
| haleyb | tidwellr: ^^ | 15:06 |
| tidwellr | ah, that's the one I was looking for | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | You're right. I might have been thinking of another page. | 15:06 |
| john-davidge | ah, haleyb beat me to it | 15:06 |
| haleyb | and seeing the inside of pubs is a work item for some | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | Yep, that page. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | The two should be cross-linked. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: you not going? | 15:07 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: no, on vacation with family that week, although i'll try to be online for some | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | :-( | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | Enjoy the vacation though! | 15:09 |
| haleyb | yes, i tried to have the vacation moved to IE | 15:09 |
| tidwellr | any more announcements? | 15:10 |
| tidwellr | alright, moving on | 15:11 |
| tidwellr | #topic Bugs | 15:11 |
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| tidwellr | looking at the agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam, it looks like we should go over potential backports | 15:12 |
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| HenryG | I would like to highlight one bug | 15:12 |
| HenryG | Bug 1562878 | 15:12 |
| openstack | bug 1562878 in neutron "L3 HA: Unable to complete operation on subnet" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562878 - Assigned to Ann Taraday (akamyshnikova) | 15:12 |
| * carl_baldwin looks... | 15:13 | |
| HenryG | It has been occuring regularly in the check/gate since July 24. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Should it be critical? | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Most gate failures are treated as critical. Especially if they're occurring regularly. | 15:15 |
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| HenryG | carl_baldwin: the recurrence is low enough that a recheck usually passes | 15:15 |
| HenryG | But I am leaning towards critical | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Do you have a logstash query URL you've been using? | 15:16 |
| HenryG | I put it in comment #5 | 15:17 |
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| HenryG | Remove the build_queue:"gate" option to see all the occurrences | 15:17 |
| haleyb | jschwarz: is ^^ on your radar? I know you've been looking at HA issues | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Ah, I see it. | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: That looks like a lot of occurrences. But, many are in the same run. | 15:21 |
| jschwarz | reading | 15:21 |
| jschwarz | haleyb, yes, it's on my radar | 15:21 |
| jschwarz | haleyb, it's in my queue (which is a bit full atm), but Ann should be back next week and I hope to cooperate with her on this | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm scratching my head over how retrying DBConnectionError will cause it. | 15:21 |
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| HenryG | carl_baldwin: I suck at logstash queries | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Me too. | 15:22 |
| jschwarz | also, I got this reproduced locally on a simple 2-node devstack deployment | 15:22 |
| jschwarz | so that should give us a better understanding on why it's happening | 15:23 |
| HenryG | carl_baldwin: I doubt the BDConnectionError patch causes it, I just located the last merge that went in before the bug started showing up. | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Do you think maybe you just hit the limit of what logstash keeps around? | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think it only keeps about 7 days of data. | 15:24 |
| HenryG | carl_baldwin: It allows me to select 30 days from the drop-down. | 15:25 |
| HenryG | Anyway, I think the jschwarz option is the better way to track this down. | 15:26 |
| * jschwarz lols @ "the jschwarz option" | 15:26 | |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: Is it reliably reproducible? | 15:26 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, I remember running a bunch of rally tests (5ish?) and it happened a few times (2-3) | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: I think all my queries get clamped at around 7 days even when selecting the 30 day option. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: Sounds good. | 15:28 |
| * mlavalle has never been able to get a 30 days query | 15:28 | |
| carl_baldwin | Should we keep it assigned to Ann? | 15:28 |
| HenryG | carl_baldwin: then I have been on many wild goose chases :( | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: I've been on those. | 15:28 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, I think so - she'll come back next week and I'll discuss this bug with her and see if I should take it or not | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | ok | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | Let's move on. | 15:29 |
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| tidwellr | alright | 15:29 |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1604370 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604370 in neutron "functional: test_legacy_router_ns_rebuild is unstable" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Terry Wilson (otherwiseguy) | 15:30 |
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| tidwellr | looks like we can pull this off the agenda | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | it seems fix is realeased | 15:31 |
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| tidwellr | moving on | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596075 | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596075 in neutron "Neutron confused about overlapping subnet creation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | I spent some time this morning tracking this one | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | It is a complicated affair, involving the quota engine, db retries and Galera | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | 2 patchsets have been merged in relationship to it | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | and kevinbenton is working on another 2 fixes: | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339226/ | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346289/ | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | I'll keep tracking it | 15:34 |
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| tidwellr | mlvalle: thanks for staying on top of this | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599329 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,In progress] | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | In watch mode. | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | yeah, looks like we're just waiting to see if this strikes again | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | can we take https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1605277 off the agenda? | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605277 in neutron "[IPAM] 'Internal' ipam driver does not allow to delete all pools on subnet update" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | Yes | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | cool, done | 15:37 |
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| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1603162 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1603162 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback fails with reference driver" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: any luck with this one? | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | I've had some discussion on the ML with kevinbenton . We have some ideas. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | I've got to get on this one quickly. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll be working on it today. | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | this is a blocker for the cutover to pluggable IPAM, right? | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes. | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | ok | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1608406 | 15:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1608406 in neutron "BGP: DVR fip host routes query including legacy/HA fip routes" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | just wanted to call this out as it has backport potential | 15:40 |
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| tidwellr | this is my worst BGP nightmare come true | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | :( | 15:41 |
| tidwellr | we're sending the wrong next-hop for a FIP | 15:42 |
| haleyb | tidwellr: just for mitaka, right? just updating bug tags | 15:42 |
| tidwellr | both newton and mitaka | 15:42 |
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| haleyb | for backport i meant :) | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | lol | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | oh, right | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | yes, mitaka for backport :) | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | ugh, it's been a morning...... | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | I was able to reproduce locally, attaching a legacy router and a distributed router to the same external network results in a FIP on the legacy router also being announced as accessible via one of the FIP gateways | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | I'm helping chase this down | 15:44 |
| * mlavalle appreciates that it is early in tidwellr time zone and he still shows up | 15:45 | |
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| tidwellr | any more bugs to discuss? | 15:46 |
| jschwarz | I have one but that can be left for the Open Discussion if there's time | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | We have https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1609540, filed by a certain carl_baldwin | 15:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609540 in neutron "Deleting csnat port fails due to no fixed ips" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | It is in watch mode. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm going to keep an eye on it and hopefully reduce the severity soon. | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | Tnaks! | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | I'll put in the etherpad anyway | 15:48 |
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| tidwellr | alright, we don't have much time to dive in to routed networks, FWaaS, RFE's, etc. | 15:48 |
| mfranc213 | hello, i'm filling in for njohnston again this week. just 3 things: | 15:49 |
| mfranc213 | the handle_router method was split into add_router and update_router in the L3 Agent Extension Manager patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339246/10..11/neutron/agent/l3/l3_agent_extension.py) | 15:49 |
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| tidwellr | I'm thinking we move to open discussion | 15:49 |
| mfranc213 | so sorry | 15:49 |
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| tidwellr | mfranc213: no worries, go for it | 15:49 |
| mfranc213 | next patchset for the FWaaS L3 agent extension was issued yesterday (Refactor FWaaS' L3 agent extension) | 15:50 |
| mfranc213 | ork on the FWaaS plugin is proceeding and i believe we will get a patchset pushed in the next couple of days. | 15:50 |
| tidwellr | #topic Open Discussion | 15:50 |
| mfranc213 | that's it! | 15:50 |
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| steve_ruan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337662/ need 1 more "+2" | 15:50 |
| tidwellr | mfranc213: thanks for the update | 15:50 |
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| steve_ruan | anyone can help? | 15:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: could you take a look ^ | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | mfranc213: I'll take a look at that change. | 15:51 |
| john-davidge | A couple of updates on service subnets. Brian noticed a possible problem with the deletion logic for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337851/ and pushed a fix yesterday. It should be good to go. And a WIP for the follow-up patch is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350613/ - It's almost ready for review. | 15:51 |
| haleyb | i'm on it | 15:51 |
| tidwellr | steve_ruan: thanks for making some noise about that one | 15:51 |
| mfranc213 | thank you carl_baldwin | 15:51 |
| jschwarz | I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1609738 which deals with a weird state HA routers can get into while creating/updating it.. the solution I have in mind involves refactoring update_router_db for the l3_hamode_db.py | 15:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609738 in neutron "l3-ha: a router can be stuck in the ALLOCATING state" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz) | 15:52 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: and the OSC patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342976/ just got a +2 | 15:52 |
| jschwarz | such that modifying admin_state_up will unschedule/schedule the router (as opposed for the current ha attribute change which does this one) | 15:53 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: woop \o/ | 15:53 |
| jschwarz | I need more opinions though on this matter | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | john-davidge: I took a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350613 | 15:53 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Yes, thanks for the review. I've already incorporated it into the next patch. Should help with performance at scale | 15:54 |
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| mlavalle | jschwarz: is there a patchset up for review or should we comment in the bug? | 15:56 |
| jschwarz | mlavalle, comments on the bug will be much appreciated | 15:57 |
| jschwarz | it's quite a refactor and I started working on it today and it broke a few things :< | 15:57 |
| mlavalle | yeap, that's what big refactors do | 15:58 |
| jschwarz | XD | 15:58 |
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| mlavalle | it seems bugs left us exhausted today :-) | 15:59 |
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| tidwellr | mlavalle: indeed | 16:00 |
| tidwellr | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| tidwellr | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 16:00 | |
| john-davidge | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 16:00:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | bye! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-08-04-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-08-04-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-08-04-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 16:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | #chair cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
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| mlavalle | they left you alone etoews ;-) | 16:01 |
| jschwarz | thanks guys | 16:01 |
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| etoews | mlavalle: apparently so :) | 16:01 |
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| mlavalle | if you feel lonely, ping me ;-) | 16:01 |
| etoews | :) | 16:02 |
| dramakri | etoews: hi | 16:03 |
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| etoews | dramakri: hello! | 16:04 |
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| dramakri | etoews: will we be discussing - APIs for exposing resource capabilities? | 16:05 |
| etoews | dramakri: unfortunately we seem to be a bit understaffed at the moment. the other 2 usual members of the api working group weren't able to make it today. | 16:06 |
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| etoews | would you still like to discuss it? | 16:06 |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:06 |
| etoews | hello elmiko! | 16:07 |
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| elmiko | hey, sorry bout that | 16:07 |
| elmiko | lost track of time | 16:07 |
| etoews | np. well let's dive in and see if we can make any progress. | 16:07 |
| etoews | #topic APIs for exposing resource capabilities | 16:07 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306930/ | 16:07 |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350310/ | 16:07 |
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| etoews | dramakri: care to provide some context? what are you hoping to get out of this discussion? | 16:08 |
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| dramakri | etoews: sure | 16:08 |
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| dramakri | I propose defining a capability API for every resource in a REST API where it makes sense and is needed. | 16:09 |
| dramakri | this was started for Cinder. | 16:09 |
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| dramakri | In the context of Cinder, we would have a capability API at the root resource level (GET /v3.x/{tenant_id}/capabilities) that would return, e.g., [“volume-backup", “other-capability”] | 16:10 |
| dramakri | Cinder cores suggested that this might be a generic enough problem with other OpenStack services as well | 16:10 |
| dramakri | so I am wondering if there are any other projects currently working on capabilities - lets say nova | 16:10 |
| etoews | heh. that was my question too. | 16:11 |
| elmiko | could you define "capabilities" a little more? | 16:11 |
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| dramakri | capabilities are the features supported by a cinder service or a lower level resource like volume_types | 16:13 |
| elmiko | are these o/s level capabilities then? | 16:13 |
| etoews | as a wild swing at seeing what other services support things called "capability or capabilities" i did this search https://github.com/search?l=&q=org%3Aopenstack+capability+OR+capabilities&ref=advsearch&type=Code&utf8=%E2%9C%93 | 16:13 |
| dramakri | "volume-backup" would be an example for service-level or root resource. | 16:14 |
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| etoews | it's certainly a popular term. ;) | 16:14 |
| dramakri | etoews: looking at your link | 16:14 |
| elmiko | heh, that's why i'm curious. is this just some sort of open-ended metadata or is there something behind the term capabilities? | 16:14 |
| etoews | hard to say if everything in those results maps to the concept you're describing though | 16:15 |
| elmiko | like, i think kernel capabilities when i hear that as some sort of o/s level thing | 16:15 |
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| dramakri | "capability" is a functionality that may or may not be supported. So, it becomes important to have a way to know whether it is suppoted | 16:16 |
| dramakri | For example: volume backup. Some Cinder services support, some dont. | 16:16 |
| elmiko | got it | 16:16 |
| dramakri | If Horizon could knew when it is supported, it can enable the "Create Volume Backup" button | 16:16 |
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| dramakri | In Cinder, existing APIs to epose capabilities don't follow any pattern | 16:17 |
| dramakri | One sticks it inside the "extra specs" field of a propery bag | 16:18 |
| dramakri | Another defines an API, and so on | 16:18 |
| etoews | yuck | 16:18 |
| dramakri | The spec seeks to regularize it for Cinder and hopefully for other OpenStack projects too | 16:18 |
| dramakri | The key concept is "one capability API per resource, where it makes sense" | 16:19 |
| elmiko | hmm, sounds a lot like metadata to me. i'm having a hard time visualizing how we would standardize the capabilities themselves | 16:19 |
| etoews | even better would be...if a capability isn't supported, it offers a description of *why* it isn't support that is digestible by an end user. | 16:19 |
| elmiko | etoews++ great suggestion | 16:20 |
| dramakri | The list of capabilities is open ended. We do not know the list of capabilities that are not supported | 16:21 |
| etoews | elmiko: it sounds to me like what they basically have now is unstructured metadata (in extra specs) and are looking to structure that into something called capabilities | 16:21 |
| etoews | dramakri: is that ^ a fair take on it? | 16:21 |
| dramakri | extra specs is just one way Cinder uses. But, yes, your statements is true in general | 16:21 |
| elmiko | yeah, i was just thinking from the pattern it sounds like something that could use the mechanics of the metadata guideline, perhaps... | 16:22 |
| elmiko | albeit with some sort of capabilities specific endpoint, or similar, for each resource | 16:22 |
| etoews | or metadata reserved for use by capabilities | 16:23 |
| dramakri | elmiko: do you have a link for the "metadata guideline"? | 16:23 |
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| elmiko | 1sec | 16:23 |
| elmiko | dramakri: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/metadata.html | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i'm guessing you would ignore the updating and creating parts (which would be handled by the server) | 16:24 |
| dramakri | On a quick glance, it seems similar | 16:27 |
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| dramakri | Has the metadata guideline been adopted by all OpenStack projects? | 16:30 |
| elmiko | well, it doesn't quite work like that. but i've seen more than one project adopt it | 16:30 |
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| etoews | it's the way forward for any project doing a metadata api | 16:31 |
| etoews | (or changes to a metadata api) | 16:31 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:31 |
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| dramakri | Does it mean that we should use the term "capabilities" for Cinder? | 16:32 |
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| dramakri | *we should NOT use the term ... | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | imo, it's fine if we want to describe a general use for the metadata stuff as capabilities. i feel this is more a process thing within openstack though | 16:34 |
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| dramakri | I am not clear if implementing the capabilities API (as my spec calls for) would adhere or violate the metadata guidelines | 16:36 |
| elmiko | honestly, it feels like a cross-project spec (assuming those still exist) | 16:36 |
| dramakri | In particular, it is ok to use "resource-capability" API path suffix instead of "metadata"? | 16:36 |
| dramakri | Is it ok to not support create, delete | 16:36 |
| elmiko | it sounded like the capabilities API is a sub-set of the metadata guide | 16:36 |
| elmiko | right | 16:37 |
| dramakri | Is it ok to use the simply list representations of the capabilities | 16:37 |
| elmiko | as a convention, i would think it's fine to propose that projects adopt a "resource-capability" endpoint. | 16:37 |
| elmiko | at this point though, maybe it would make sense to propose this as a guideline and see what the community thinks? | 16:38 |
| dramakri | How and where would we propose such a thing to the community | 16:38 |
| etoews | if so, it should follow the interaction conventions already in the metadata guideline (minus create, update, and delete) | 16:39 |
| elmiko | if you write a guideline and submit it as a review to the api-wg, we will debate it and announce to the community to get a broader audience | 16:39 |
| elmiko | etoews++ | 16:39 |
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| etoews | dramakri: we have this too http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/process.html#proposing-a-new-guideline | 16:39 |
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| dramakri | Thanks for the pointer for writing guidelines | 16:40 |
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| dramakri | In the meanwhile can we proceed with the implementation for resource-capabilities API in Cinder (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350310/)? | 16:41 |
| etoews | it would most likely result in the new file http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/api-wg/tree/guidelines/capabilities.rst | 16:41 |
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| etoews | dramakri: we also recommend doing some research into what the other projects are already doing with respect to capabilities. if you do so, the place for that research is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design | 16:43 |
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| dramakri | ok | 16:44 |
| elmiko | just from looking at the spec for that work, i don't see anything that stands out as counter to the api-wg guidelines | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | i'm sure there are some rest purist arguments to be made about adding the "/capabilities" to any resource endpoint, but i don't see a huge issue with that | 16:45 |
| dramakri | good to know | 16:45 |
| etoews | we're rest pragmatists around here ;) | 16:45 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:46 |
| dramakri | ++ | 16:46 |
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| dramakri | It is "resource-capability" BTW. I so wanted to use "capability" but i would clash with some one-off API in Cinder | 16:46 |
| elmiko | ah, sorry, my inaccuracy | 16:46 |
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| dramakri | For publishing the guideline for review, can it just summarize the spec and then point to the spec for details or do I need to paraphrase the full thing? | 16:46 |
| elmiko | you should spell out how the guideline should be implenented by other projects | 16:47 |
| elmiko | so, it needs to be a little more detailed. like the metadata guideline, for example. | 16:47 |
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| dramakri | I see | 16:48 |
| etoews | ya. do something close to the metadata guideline. | 16:48 |
| etoews | and it would be worthwhile to call out why you're _not_ using the metadata guideline as is | 16:48 |
| elmiko | ooh, good point ++ | 16:49 |
| elmiko | brb | 16:49 |
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| dramakri | Ok so I will (1) do some research on how other projects define capabilities, (2) go ahead with my spec implementation if I don't find a pattern adopted by all other proejcts, (3) publish the guideline for defining resource capabilities at a later time | 16:49 |
| etoews | dramakri: sgtm! | 16:50 |
| dramakri | thanks etoews and elmiko! | 16:50 |
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| etoews | thanks for the good discussion dramakri | 16:50 |
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| elmiko | dramakri: agreed with etoews, sounds good | 16:51 |
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| etoews | elmiko: not much new besides this discussion. should we do a newsletter this week? | 16:53 |
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| etoews | (i'm okay skipping it) | 16:53 |
| elmiko | hmm, i'm usually in favor of writing one | 16:53 |
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| etoews | okay. let's do it. | 16:54 |
| elmiko | but, i don't have a strong opinion on it. did we add anything new in the last week? | 16:54 |
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| etoews | not that i can see | 16:55 |
| elmiko | ok, i wonder if we maybe mention the capability discussion. seems like some interesting food for thought? | 16:56 |
| etoews | yep | 16:56 |
| elmiko | ok, looking at the etherpad now | 16:57 |
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| etoews | oops. gotta end the meeting. | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 17:00:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-08-04-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-08-04-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-08-04-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | etoews: k, i'll finish this up | 17:00 |
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| etoews | elmiko: many thanks. | 17:00 |
| docaedo | courtesy ping kfox1111 sslypushenko mfedosin olaph kzaitsev_mb igormarnat_ | 17:00 |
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| olaph | o/ | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 17:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_4th.2C_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| docaedo | We usually start with status updates, but I'll start a small/easy (maybe?) topic real quick, since the rest of the meeting is mostly going to be status updates and talking about them | 17:02 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick is sick | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | mfedosin: unacceptable! app-catalog has no sick days! | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #topic Review and merge policies (docaedo) | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | I brought this up because I realize we've never (as a team) formally talked about this | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | and the way I review and merge additions to assets is different from how I consider anything that could actually break the web site | 17:03 |
| docaedo | so just wanted to state how I'm doing it, and see if there's agreement or if anyone thinks I'm being too crazy with the +W | 17:04 |
| docaedo | Basically: | 17:04 |
| docaedo | if it's just adding or updating assets (touching assets.yaml) I do not think we need to sit on those updates, and I feel like it's safe for me (or other cores, which really now is just kzaitsev_mb) to merge if it looks good | 17:05 |
| docaedo | but if it's a schema change or something that impacts the web site, there should be at least one other reviewer, and generally should sit for 24 hours to give anyone who cares a chance to look at it | 17:05 |
| docaedo | thoughts/opinions on that? | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so you basically suggest a single +2+A policy for changes, that only affect assets.yaml | 17:06 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: yes, well said | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sounds reasonable to me, since it shouldn't break anything, and many projects have very similar rules, say for i18n commits or proposal bot commits | 17:07 |
| mfedosin | +1. I see nothing bad in it | 17:08 |
| docaedo | cool thanks - I wanted to make sure everyone was OK with that just in case I was being too much of a cowboy | 17:09 |
| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:09 |
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| olaph | sounds like a plan | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | we have a big update today | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #agreed a single +2+A policy for changes, that only affect assets.yaml | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | =) | 17:10 |
| docaedo | for me, I'm planning to continue going through bugs and blueprints, just to try to do some grooming | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | Glare leaves Glance project | 17:10 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: thanks | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | there is a mail in ML | 17:11 |
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| mfedosin | I think it'll help us to move forward faster | 17:11 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: yeah I saw that .. it makes sense, is a little unfortunate that it's come to that, but I can see why. If just talking about storing a disk image leads to so much confusion, I don't see how glare can continue as is | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100862.html | 17:12 |
| mfedosin | so, we'll spend next week moving our code to the new repo | 17:12 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: as asked by SpamapS it would be good to put together a clear retrospective on this to also share, so people can see why you felt the split was the best step forward | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | this one? ^^ | 17:12 |
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| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: thats the one | 17:13 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: correct | 17:13 |
| docaedo | tim and clint asked good question on the thread and are making good points, that this will hurt adoption, but from what I saw it sounded like glance project had said there would be very long term restrictions on what "glare" would be allowed to do while under glance, is that right? | 17:14 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: unfortunately yes | 17:15 |
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| mfedosin | there were no specs merged in Glance during Newton cycle | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | no new features had been added since Juno cycle | 17:16 |
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| mfedosin | and I'm afraid that the same may happen with Glare | 17:16 |
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| mfedosin | We may wallow in useless discussions if we stay in Glance | 17:17 |
| docaedo | understandable | 17:17 |
| mfedosin | so, have you seen what sskripnick did? | 17:18 |
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| docaedo | I think everything else to talk about today falls under this topic: | 17:18 |
| docaedo | #topic Next steps for Glare integration | 17:18 |
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| docaedo | Sounds like you will have some work this next week to move the repo | 17:18 |
| mfedosin | #link http://r-ci.tk:8100/#/ | 17:18 |
| docaedo | I was wondering if I could get the deployment information for that test environment? | 17:19 |
| docaedo | I'd like to recreate it on a different machine and start working through the puppet manifest we'll need to deploy it to production | 17:19 |
| docaedo | and once I have a "close enough" version (even if it's not complete), I can commit a review for infra to look at | 17:19 |
| mfedosin | yes, but for sure code will be merged before the week after | 17:19 |
| docaedo | then we'll get that up on a staging VM to work through integration with swift, DB, etc | 17:20 |
| mfedosin | he added auth with OpenID, adding new artifacts, and so on | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | maybe we should catch sskripnick and demand some (answers) instructions? =) | 17:20 |
| mfedosin | Sergey will be available tomorrow | 17:21 |
| mfedosin | and we can chat with him | 17:21 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: good plan, hopefully he'll be feeling better | 17:21 |
| mfedosin | also he pushed all code on review | 17:21 |
| docaedo | tomorrow will be a really good day for me to work on that too, if we have a chance any way | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | gotta ping him anyway on the fate of our commits with v0.1 | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | probably we would abandon them | 17:22 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: they should be abandoned :) | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | just need a confirmation from his side, then | 17:23 |
| mfedosin | He agrees with that, I know | 17:23 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: okay, let's wait for tomorrow and get his confirmation | 17:24 |
| docaedo | sounds like there's not much more on this then, until we get more details tomorrow? and of course the big news of glare splitting out | 17:24 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: I have several questions about storing images... | 17:24 |
| mfedosin | first of all, is there any storage for binary assets in App-Catalog? | 17:25 |
| docaedo | ok great, ask away, let's talk! | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | like swift or ceph or anything else? | 17:25 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: binary assets will be stored in swift | 17:25 |
| docaedo | swift will not run on that node, we'll get credentials to it | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: cool, swift is good | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | what about images? | 17:26 |
| mfedosin | do we have any plans to store them in our local swift? | 17:26 |
| mfedosin | or we just want provide link to some external sources | 17:26 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: images could be store the same way in swift (as they are in the CDN now), but maybe the question is do we provide a direct link to swift, or proxy everything through glare? | 17:27 |
| docaedo | I don't know how glare handles versions with respect to the object itself? I assume because of versions, we'll need glare to proxy everything | 17:28 |
| mfedosin | if we add image to glare directly, then it will be proxied | 17:28 |
| docaedo | (and I'm not sure what you mean when you say "local swift", because we won't run swift on the app-catalog VM) | 17:28 |
| mfedosin | yeah, by "local swift" I mean swift we have credentials for | 17:29 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: ah right, ok - then yes, plan will be to store things in local swift if the user wants, otherwise they can just put in an entry that has a pointer to something external (like with heat templates) | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | that's great, glare supports both ways - with internal and external locations | 17:30 |
| docaedo | we will need both types, some users will want to just point (like pointing at a coreos weekly image or something) vs. I know murano wants the images to be stored in the app catalog | 17:30 |
| docaedo | great, I know that was the plan we discussed long ago, so happy it's still the plan | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | I just wanted to understand what to do with images | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | also, there is another topic | 17:32 |
| docaedo | thank you for asking and making sure we're on the same page | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | I think we have to make glare to provide public api | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | so, there will be a web site (app-catalog) and near there will be genereic glare api | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | for glare-to-glare communication | 17:33 |
| docaedo | sure, I think it's just going to be a route so apps.openstack.org/api/v2 -> glare | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | and for Horizon plugin | 17:33 |
| docaedo | that should work, right? | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | absolutely | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | imarnat asked to write docs about app-catalog/glare integration | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | oops, kzaitsev_mb corrected me | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | we decided, that it will be just new domain | 17:37 |
| docaedo | that's a good point, to make sure we are covering everything on the docs | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | like glare.apps.openstack.org/ -> glare | 17:37 |
| docaedo | new domain? what do you mean? | 17:37 |
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| docaedo | oh for direct glare access, I don't remember that but I do not object and it seems reasonable | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | as long as glare is protected via the same auth | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | yes, for direct glare access | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: docaedo: it would be trivial to route glare.apps.openstack.org/ to apps.openstack.org/api/v2 actually =) | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so the direct access can still be proxied with not-so-direct access ) | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | and for sure there will be apps.openstack.org/api/v2 -> glare | 17:40 |
| docaedo | nice - so how should we tackle the documentation? | 17:41 |
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| docaedo | <crickets> | 17:43 |
| olaph | *cough* | 17:44 |
| docaedo | I am sure we all agree SOMEONE should write the documentation :) | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | I hope to start the documentation next week | 17:44 |
| docaedo | #action mfedosin foolishly agrees to start the documentation | 17:44 |
| docaedo | :P | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | I'll be on vacation, but I'll be able to find some time | 17:44 |
| docaedo | oh wait! don't do that on vacation! | 17:44 |
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| docaedo | mfedosin: but if you start an outline on an etherpad and share it on #openstack-app-catalog I can help, and hopefully others as well | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | I don't like write docs in etherpad | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | I prefer google docs | 17:47 |
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| docaedo | mfedosin: sure, that can work for collaborating, then ultimately it would need to go into probably app-catalog/docs repo | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | I'll add as a reviewer | 17:48 |
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| docaedo | that works for me | 17:48 |
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| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 17:50 |
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| docaedo | Anyone have anything for open discussion today? | 17:50 |
| olaph | not I | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | I learned everything I wanted. | 17:51 |
| kzaitsev_mb | not me, I've just returned from vacations and trying to deal with the ammount of mail I have to read/respond to ) | 17:51 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: just declare unread email bankruptcy and mark it all as read! | 17:52 |
| docaedo | OK I think we are done then, thanks everyone, and looking forward to talking hopefully more on glare stuff tomorrow! | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 17:53:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-08-04-17.01.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-08-04-17.01.txt | 17:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-08-04-17.01.log.html | 17:53 |
| olaph | thanks all! | 17:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 18:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Aug_4th.2C_July_21st_2016 | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: there? | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic L3-Policy mapping to Address Scope & Subnetpool | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343929 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i need at least one more +2 on this one ;-) | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if you can take a look that will be great | 18:03 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, I do plan to re-review ASAP | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great, thanks | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything we can discuss here on that topic? | 18:04 |
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| rkukura | I have not looked at it or thought too much about it since last time, so I don’t have anything new right now. | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:05 |
| rkukura | Sorry | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | seems like all our other team members are MIA | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Quality of Service support via NSPs | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301701 | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think igordcard has been having some problems with the integration test setup | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think i know what the issue is, and was hoping to discuss it with him here | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will put the comments on the review directly | 18:07 |
| rkukura | make sense | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: not sure you get a chance to look at the patch | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i was leaning towards merging this in the feature branch if it looks sane | 18:08 |
| rkukura | not recently - I’ll try to review it soon | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can separately consider when and how to merge it into master | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont how much else for today | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything else at your end? | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if not we can go back to working on AIM :-) | 18:10 |
| rkukura | yes, that’s what’s on my mind | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 18:11:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-08-04-18.00.html | 18:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-08-04-18.00.txt | 18:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-08-04-18.00.log.html | 18:11 |
| rkukura | that extension manager issue I was talking with you about a few days ago popped up again, costing me most of another day :( | 18:11 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I hope I’ll have at least that resolved by the meeting in <2 hours | 18:12 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting auc | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 4 19:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: auc)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'auc' | 19:01 |
| shamail | Hi everyone. Who is here for the AUC recognition meeting? | 19:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:02 |
| shamail | Hi MeganR | 19:02 |
| MeganR | Hi | 19:02 |
| shamail | How was your break? | 19:02 |
| MeganR | it was great, but catching up from being out isn't fun | 19:03 |
| shamail | +1 :) | 19:03 |
| MeganR | that will teach me to take a week off without internet :) | 19:03 |
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| shamail | Here is agenda I had hoped we could cover today but Summer vacations seems to be keeping our attendance low :) | 19:03 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition#Meeting_Information | 19:03 |
| shamail | Let’s tackle what we can and then close it out, sound good? | 19:04 |
| MeganR | I would be fine for a shorter meeting - then I can work on my "tasks" for here :) | 19:04 |
| MeganR | perfect | 19:04 |
| shamail | #topic Update on data collection for non-IRC WGs | 19:04 |
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| shamail | Have you had a chance to reach out to the WGs that do not use IRC yet? | 19:05 |
| shamail | If not, do you want help? | 19:05 |
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| MeganR | So, I started today going through some meeting notes on the WG that are not using IRC, going back about 5-6 weeks, and taking an average of the attendees. I figure that will help with a number. | 19:05 |
| MeganR | Then I need to send out two emails - one for the attendee count, asking the chairs to verify and the second for the Google form review - I didn't have a chance to send that out earlier. | 19:06 |
| shamail | Could you reach out to the WG chairs and just ask them to provide you with a list of active members? | 19:06 |
| MeganR | Sure | 19:06 |
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| shamail | I feel it is unfair for you to be gathering that information for all of them on your own | 19:06 |
| shamail | The chairs should be able to knock it out fairly quick | 19:07 |
| shamail | Is it just Enterprise and Faulty Genes? | 19:07 |
| MeganR | np - I'll do that this afternoon - and ISV :) | 19:07 |
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| shamail | Awesome, thanks | 19:07 |
| shamail | Oh yeah, ISV | 19:07 |
| shamail | lol | 19:07 |
| MeganR | I was thinking, if someone has attended within the past month we count them as active | 19:08 |
| MeganR | :) | 19:08 |
| shamail | Thanks MeganR! | 19:08 |
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| shamail | We could also have the other scenario though (someone has been active but has gone on extended break for summer) | 19:08 |
| shamail | Okay to move on? | 19:09 |
| MeganR | very true - I was thinking more along the lines of something easy for them to pull together, and will give us a rough estimate. | 19:09 |
| MeganR | yup - good to go | 19:09 |
| shamail | Fair :) | 19:09 |
| shamail | #topic Update on preliminary count | 19:09 |
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| shamail | Here is what I have so far… still missing some but in good shape I think: | 19:10 |
| shamail | Running totals (as of 07/14/2016): | 19:10 |
| shamail | Committers to UC governed repositories (OSOps, User Stories, Ops-Tags): 19 | 19:10 |
| shamail | Active WG members (for WGs that use IRC): 28 | 19:10 |
| shamail | Ask OpenStack moderators: 20 | 19:10 |
| shamail | Track chairs for upcoming summit: 98 | 19:10 |
| shamail | Organizers of Official OpenStack User Groups: 46 | 19:10 |
| shamail | Contributors to Superuser: 28 | 19:10 |
| shamail | Overall AUC Count (duplicates have not been removed from data): 239 | 19:10 |
| shamail | Data that still needs to be collected (as of 08/02/2016): | 19:11 |
| shamail | Active WG members (for WGs not on IRC): TBD | 19:11 |
| shamail | Ops Meetup Moderators: TBD | 19:11 |
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| shamail | The count is lower than I anticipated so far | 19:11 |
| shamail | I don’t think the remaining two categories will increase it significantly | 19:11 |
| MeganR | I agree, especially thing that there are some duplicates - interesting | 19:11 |
| shamail | Yeah | 19:12 |
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| shamail | Once we get the final two categories we can share the findings with UC | 19:12 |
| MeganR | sounds good | 19:12 |
| shamail | #topic Discussion on AUC status cycle | 19:13 |
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| shamail | So Tom and I have been having a conversation in gerrit on a patch I submitted | 19:13 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341955/ | 19:13 |
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| shamail | Tom was proposing that we run the count more often (rather than once per cycle) and also questioning how long AUC status is valid | 19:14 |
| shamail | He raised some great points and gave some good reference links in his last comment | 19:14 |
| shamail | Key questions/considerations: | 19:14 |
| shamail | Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems much of the thinking is around getting an AUC designation on summit badges? If so, I'd advise trying to think more broadly, but to complete this one first: did you know that ATC discount codes are sent out at multiple points throughout the cycle? Part of the reasoning behind that is to encourage those qualifying to register early so we have the best possible idea of numbers as early as we can. | 19:15 |
| shamail | How about User Committee Voting. That might happen in January, for instance. Assuming AUC members are qualified to vote, when is their eligibility determined? From the last list made in milestone 3 of whatever release cycle was previously done? | 19:15 |
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| shamail | How does that kind of script work for AUC candidates standing for the UC election? | 19:15 |
| maishsk | Sorry I am late | 19:15 |
| shamail | More outlandish: what about if the foundation somehow falls upon a ton of stickers and some stamps/envelopes and want to mail AUC recipients some "tomorrow" | 19:15 |
| shamail | Hi maishsk, np | 19:15 |
| shamail | #chair maishsk | 19:15 |
| openstack | Current chairs: maishsk shamail | 19:15 |
| MeganR | Hi maishsk | 19:15 |
| maishsk | Hi All | 19:15 |
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| shamail | maishsk: we are discussing comments by Tom on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341955/ | 19:16 |
| MeganR | He brings up great points, and now I think I understand what he was originally asking | 19:17 |
| shamail | I will investigate whether we can modify https://github.com/openstack/election/blob/master/tools/check-candidacy.py for UC election eligbility | 19:17 |
| shamail | #action Research modifying ATC election eligibility script for AUC (shamail) | 19:17 |
| shamail | Same here MeganR | 19:17 |
| MeganR | and if we automate most of this, we should be able to run it whenever necessary | 19:17 |
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| shamail | Yeah | 19:18 |
| shamail | welcome fifieldt | 19:18 |
| shamail | we were just talking about our conversation on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341955/ | 19:18 |
| shamail | So how can we address these items? | 19:18 |
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| shamail | Do we think the AUC ‘term’ should be from milestone-3 to milestone-3… This would allow someone to get badge status at the summit following their contributions but also stay AUC for a good portion of the next cycle to be eligible for elections and voting | 19:19 |
| * shamail putting together an example using real world dates | 19:20 | |
| maishsk | So I am trying to understand the issue here - is it one of timing? Length of validity of the AUC? or something else? | 19:20 |
| shamail | It is two fold: | 19:20 |
| shamail | 1) The timing of when the data is gathered and how often | 19:20 |
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| shamail | 2) How long AUC is valid once obtained (the benefits of AUC are applicable beyond the summit itself since they are eligible to stand for and vote in UC elections) | 19:21 |
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| shamail | For example, if we did milestone-3 to milestone-3 between Mitaka and Liberty... | 19:22 |
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| shamail | For the Mitaka summit, any AUC contributions made after Liberty milestone-3 (roughly Sept 2015) would qualify someone to have AUC badge in the summit | 19:24 |
| shamail | Subsequently, the person would’ve stayed ‘AUC’ until Feb 2016 | 19:24 |
| shamail | Which means they could’ve voted in Mitaka UC elections (if there was such a thing) if they happened a month or two after the release of Liberty | 19:25 |
| shamail | Thoughts? | 19:25 |
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| shamail | We could also collect the data (and have scripts handy to do ad-hoc collection) at least once a month. | 19:26 |
| maishsk | I am sorry - but it could be the late hour - and me spacing out - but I still do not understand the issue | 19:26 |
| shamail | The issue is how long should AUC be valid to allow for summit benefits and any additional rights during the release cycle. | 19:26 |
| shamail | We had discussed one release cycle (forward facing… so a contribution right now would give someone AUC for Ocata) | 19:27 |
| shamail | but does that actually work or should status have some buffer beyond a release cycle for elections | 19:27 |
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| shamail | I guess as I am writing this, one question that we probably need to know the answer to (before we could formulate a response to the current challenge) is what does the UC think will be there election cycle | 19:28 |
| maishsk | Honestly - I have not really given this any thought - but I feel I must ask - are we trying to re-invent the wheel? | 19:28 |
| shamail | On the contrary, I think we want to align this as closely to ATC schedules as possible so the question becomes how. | 19:29 |
| maishsk | I assume that all these questions are not only for the AUC - they should be relevant for the ATC as well - so why should the AUC be any different? | 19:29 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1 | 19:29 |
| MeganR | I agree - and honestly, the thought of voting had not even occurred to me. | 19:30 |
| shamail | I’ll do some more work here and come back with a formulated response to how we can closely align with ATC’s answers to these questions | 19:30 |
| maishsk | And regarding the voting cycle - I would hope that the UC elections - if and when they occur - will also align with the ATC | 19:30 |
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| shamail | maishsk: +1 but we need the UC to tell us if they plan to align with the TC schedule (7 positions in spring, 6 in fall) | 19:31 |
| shamail | or whether they will have elections for all members at once (per year) | 19:31 |
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| shamail | We need to align with ATC and UC should align with TC | 19:31 |
| shamail | #action Send an email to UC to understand their thoughts on the election process in the future | 19:32 |
| shamail | Anything else on this topic for now? Sorry, for not articulating it properly initially but I think we are all on the same page now | 19:33 |
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| MeganR | that sounds good | 19:33 |
| shamail | #topic Milestone-5 update | 19:33 |
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| shamail | maishsk: Have you had a chance to make any more edits to the “self-nomination” process for AUC? | 19:34 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m5-output | 19:34 |
| shamail | or do we consider it being in good shape and just need to summarize it? | 19:34 |
| maishsk | I did not really have a chance to go over it - but I think we are in good shape | 19:35 |
| shamail | Okay | 19:35 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:35 |
| shamail | Do you mind summarize the proposal and sending it to the UC to get their feedback? | 19:35 |
| shamail | summarizing* | 19:35 |
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| maishsk | I will draw up a summary | 19:37 |
| maishsk | :) | 19:37 |
| maishsk | #action maishsk will summarize up Milestone 5 and send out to UC | 19:37 |
| shamail | #action Summarize milestone-5 output and validate desired AUC self-nomination review committee composition and process (maishsk) | 19:37 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 19:37 |
| shamail | #topic Opens | 19:37 |
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| shamail | Does anyone else have additional topics for today? | 19:38 |
| MeganR | no | 19:38 |
| maishsk | Not really - but I was going over the milestones we set | 19:38 |
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| maishsk | and looking at #7 | 19:38 |
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| maishsk | It is quite vague | 19:39 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1, I will go ahead and remove it | 19:40 |
| maishsk | Create a model of estimated costs while working with user committee on new charter | 19:40 |
| shamail | thats more of a UC thing | 19:40 |
| maishsk | That was my thought as well | 19:40 |
| maishsk | thanks shamail | 19:40 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:40 |
| shamail | Alright, have a great day/evening! | 19:40 |
| MeganR | Bye! | 19:40 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 19:40:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-08-04-19.01.html | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-08-04-19.01.txt | 19:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-08-04-19.01.log.html | 19:40 |
| maishsk | Thanks all | 19:40 |
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