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| huats | Hi everyone | 14:09 |
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| sheeprine | #startmeeting cloudkitty | 14:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 14:09:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sheeprine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudkitty' | 14:09 |
| sheeprine | Ok this meeting will be pretty short I guess. | 14:09 |
| sheeprine | We'll be mostly talking about the design summit agenda | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | #topic Design summit | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design summit (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:11 | |
| sheeprine | So, we've got two session for Tokyo design summit. A workroom and a fishbowl room. | 14:12 |
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| sheeprine | The workroom will be dedicated to work on the integration with gnocchi. | 14:12 |
| sheeprine | I've talked with jd and he'll come say hi and work with us on this :) | 14:13 |
| sheeprine | We'll need to fill the etherpad for this session at this URL | 14:13 |
| sheeprine | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cloudkitty-gnocchi | 14:13 |
| sheeprine | I'll try to do my best to fill this etherpad before next meeting. | 14:14 |
| sheeprine | The second session is a more general session, we'll mostly talk about how cloudkitty is working and what will be changed in this cycle. | 14:15 |
| sheeprine | The goal is to discuss of the pending blueprint and find what needs to be changed and if some people are willing to contribute new features. | 14:16 |
| sheeprine | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cloudkitty-session | 14:16 |
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| sheeprine | If some people got ideas for this session feel free to add your ideas in this etherpad. | 14:16 |
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| sheeprine | BTW, the fishbowl session got rescheduled to 2:40 PM | 14:16 |
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| sheeprine | Do we have any questions or suggestions about the summit agenda? | 14:18 |
| sheeprine | I guess it's a no... We need to find more developers, feeling alone here ;) | 14:19 |
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| sheeprine | I guess we'll stop there then. We'll continue on the mailing list, it will be easier for others to catch up. | 14:20 |
| sheeprine | #endmeeting | 14:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 14:20:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-10-12-14.09.html | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-10-12-14.09.txt | 14:20 |
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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 16:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| jklare | hi | 16:00 |
| sc` | hi! | 16:01 |
| jklare | since a lot of the people who usually attend are occupied otherwise, i will just wait 10 min for someone to join and close the meeting otherwise | 16:01 |
| jklare | you ok with that sc` ? | 16:01 |
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| sc` | sounds good. if we need to reschedule for some other time when more are available, i'm good with that | 16:02 |
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| jklare | so, if anybody who does not usually attend our meetings wants to ask anything, speak up now :D | 16:03 |
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| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 16:10:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-10-12-16.00.html | 16:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-10-12-16.00.txt | 16:10 |
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| lucasagomes | :-) | 17:00 |
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| betherly | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 17:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| jroll | hi all, who's here for the ironic meeting? | 17:00 |
| jroll | #chair devananda NobodyCam | 17:00 |
| betherly | :) hi all | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| mariojv | \o | 17:00 |
| Madasi | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
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| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | \o/ | 17:00 |
| Nisha | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jroll | as always, the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| mkovacik | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jroll | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| gabriel | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jroll | first and foremost, I'd like to officially welcome vdrok and jlvillal to the ironic core reviewer team \o/ | 17:02 |
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| sambetts | \o/ | 17:02 |
| vdrok | thanks :) | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | I just want to say thank you :) | 17:02 |
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| gabriel | congratulations, vdrok and jlvillal ! | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | yes, congrats! | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | secondly, an update on Liberty release status. we're planning on releasing 4.2.1 this week, which will become the Liberty integrated release | 17:03 |
| devananda | welcome to the team, vdrok & jlvillal :) | 17:03 |
| jroll | trying to land and backport this patch first: | 17:03 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231215/ | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | congrats jlvillal vdrok ! | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | Thanks everyone | 17:04 |
| jroll | does anyone have any other announcements? :) | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, +1, I think it may need an email as well, cause that's also a breaking change | 17:04 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yep, it'll be in email and release notes, I'll hack on those today | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | cool | 17:04 |
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| jroll | ok, moving on... | 17:06 |
| gabriel | We from the OneView driver team are glad to announce the approval of our patch :) | 17:06 |
| jroll | ah, yes! | 17:06 |
| gabriel | Thank you all for all the reviews | 17:06 |
| jroll | the OneView driver is on it's way to merge \o/ | 17:06 |
| gabriel | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191822/ | 17:06 |
| gabriel | \o/ | 17:06 |
| jroll | #topic sub-team status reports | 17:06 |
| gabriel | :D | 17:06 |
| devananda | nice! | 17:06 |
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| jroll | as always, these are at: | 17:06 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:06 |
| * jroll gives folks a few minutes to review | 17:07 | |
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| JayF | Some ongoing work that got spun up a couple of weeks ago but isn't on any of the updates | 17:07 |
| JayF | is the push to make the IPA ramdisk smaller | 17:07 |
| JayF | curious if anyone's aware of a specific catalyst for that? | 17:07 |
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| lucasagomes | gabriel, w00t :-) | 17:08 |
| jroll | JayF: running full tempest currently takes 4-6 hours or something ridiculous, because we can't do much build concurrency | 17:08 |
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| NobodyCam | uggh sorry was late | 17:08 |
| jroll | JayF: (and that's something we'd like to get running at least on check in nova) | 17:08 |
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| jroll | does anyone have any questions/comments on the subteam reports? | 17:09 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, JayF perhaps we can use sambetts tinyIPA for the parallel tests | 17:10 |
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| * lucasagomes tested it locally with iscsi methodology and it works | 17:10 | |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, something to look into | 17:10 |
| JayF | I don't object at all to looking at new/smaller ramdisks or shrinking the CoreOS one | 17:10 |
| JayF | just curious as to what the explicit goal was | 17:10 |
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| jroll | yep | 17:11 |
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| lucasagomes | JayF, right | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | JayF: Maybe sambetts can comment on motivation? | 17:11 |
| JayF | jlvillal: well it sounds like from jroll that we're just trying to get more parallelism for our tempest tests, which makes sense to me | 17:13 |
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| jroll | anything else here or can we move on? | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | also proof-of-concepts on virtual machines: not everyone has so much RAM on their laptop.. | 17:13 |
| sambetts | I was just interested it seeing if we could make a smaller ramdisk with a hopfully less complicated build for IPA, I just like experimenting with things like this :) | 17:13 |
| sambetts | https://github.com/Tehsmash/tinyipa | 17:14 |
| sambetts | for reference ^ | 17:14 |
| jroll | #link https://github.com/Tehsmash/tinyipa | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | ty jroll :) | 17:15 |
| jroll | ok, moving on for now... | 17:15 |
| JayF | sambetts: if you proposed that to imagebuild/ (assuming you are Tehsmash) I'd have no opposition to inlcuding that as well | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:15 |
| JayF | sambetts: you'd probably be able to refactor it to package whatever git HEAD is at too | 17:15 |
| JayF | and we could start publishing a tinyipa tarball as well :) No reason to not do it | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:16 |
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| jroll | yeah I like that | 17:16 |
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| jroll | #topic Summit session prioritization/scheduling | 17:16 |
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| jroll | let's move on | 17:16 |
| jroll | so, a list of session proposals are here: | 17:16 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 17:16 |
| jroll | we have four fishbowls and four workroom sessions | 17:17 |
| jroll | I've reserved a fishbowl for a joint session with nova at the bottom | 17:17 |
| jroll | I'd like to get a sense of what sessions we think are most valuable; we need a final schedule by thursday | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, let's make sure the nova folks will come to the room | 17:17 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yep, johnthetubaguy is wrangling them to do so | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | cool | 17:17 |
| jroll | does anyone have any strong opinions for or against any of these sessions? | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | I think the notification one is really valuable, I would love to see it implemented | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | tho I don't know if it's controversial | 17:18 |
| * lucasagomes feels everyone agrees notification is pretty cool | 17:18 | |
| jroll | I see a few suggestions on the pad to cover topics on the mailing list instead of the session, which is good | 17:18 |
| sambetts | +1 on the driver compistion one | 17:19 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah +1, though what/how/when we send notifications would need some work | 17:19 |
| gabriel | lucasagomes: do you mean the #2 on that list? | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | yeah perhaps the format etc | 17:19 |
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| lucasagomes | gabriel, yes | 17:19 |
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| * jlvillal tempted to remove all colors, but won't ... | 17:20 | |
| gabriel | I'd love to have that discussed/decided/implemented too :) | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | the non-tech one that I would like to see as well is the "How can we improve rate of reviews" | 17:20 |
| jroll | jlvillal: you can turn them off on your end in settings :) | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | n 11 | 17:20 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Ah, thanks | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | I think this is the core part of the project, if we can improve it the better we are | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: + | 17:20 |
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| dtantsur | I think "How can we improve rate of reviews" should be solved in a bar on Monday :) | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, heh that also works | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | needs to be discussed | 17:21 |
| jroll | I'd personally like to discuss third-party drivers and how we eventually get to the point where we have third party CI for them | 17:21 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: ++ for starting that over drinks and escalating to the ML | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | I'd like to get folks talking about driver composition again, as it's a major and controversial change | 17:22 |
| jroll | devananda: dtantsur anyone else, are there API versioning things we want to talk about or are we mostly good? | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | Big +1 for Ops Session | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ++ useful as well | 17:22 |
| * jroll thanks whoever is bolding things | 17:22 | |
| dtantsur | jroll, we're not good until we land a spec on it IMO | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | I would like to think that we can iron out the API versioning in a session as well | 17:22 |
| devananda | jroll: we should be cleaning up the docs around them -- but I'm not sure that a discussoin session is needed | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | things like when we need to bump it is very important | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | but I would not waste time on it, to be honest, as we have a de facto agreement | 17:23 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: dtantsur: can you add some notes on what we may want to discuss? | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | and I don't think we have an agreement about it yet | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | jroll: You're welcome | 17:23 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: oh hm. you think there's stuff not covered in the docs that we need to discuss? | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, sure... /me adds | 17:23 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:23 |
| devananda | jlvillal: what would that Ops Session cover? | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | I would like to hear feedback from operators on ironic. | 17:24 |
| devananda | jlvillal: in the past, I've tried to hold those sessions and found them either unattended or the feedback was not anything we didn't already have | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I think things like "bump the version for backward compat changes" still in the air no? | 17:24 |
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| jlvillal | What are we doing right for them. What are we doing wrong. | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | devananda: Oh :( | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | let us discuss versioning on the core party, and get seriously drunk before | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | every time it was brought up I saw many discussion but no affirmation of it | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: ++ | 17:24 |
| devananda | jlvillal: yea. I tried again at the ops midcycle and got no feedback from ops | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | TheJulia: dtantsur ++ | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | devananda: Me personally I have very little insight into how the operators are using Ironic. So I would like to now more. | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | devananda: That is unfortunate... | 17:25 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: with api versioning, I almost tend to think we should document the current rules / status quo, and debate from there | 17:25 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, yeah | 17:25 |
| devananda | jlvillal: afaict, openstack operators are concerned with different things -- like how to manage database replication or their nagios alerts -- and aren't using ironic to deploy openstack yet | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | jroll, lucasagomes, it's not that we don't have anything documented: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/webapi/v1.html#api-versioning | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ok, maybe an action note to do that? | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | devananda: Okay. | 17:25 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: what I mean is, let's not use a session for that :P | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ok, are we good with it? | 17:26 |
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| dtantsur | well.... we've lived with it for 2 cycles, I guess we can live on | 17:26 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ to fixing our documentation first | 17:26 |
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| lucasagomes | heh ok fair | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ok :-) you were my biggest concern about it | 17:27 |
| jroll | ok, I'm going to remove the api versioning session | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | I still hate it, but c'mon... we have to move on one day, it looks like it's here to stay :) | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, heh ++ | 17:27 |
| jroll | "deploy driver using ansible" <- I think I want to see a spec before we start discussing this, is anyone opposed to me striking this one out | 17:28 |
| jroll | ? | 17:28 |
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| dtantsur | major ++ to spec first | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | I like the idea, but indeed needs a spec | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | actually, we agreed that all technical discussions need a spec in advance, no? | 17:28 |
| devananda | jroll: pls to not using a session on that | 17:28 |
| jroll | devananda: yeah heh | 17:28 |
| jroll | dtantsur: roughly agreed, yes | 17:28 |
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| NobodyCam | dtantsur: yea I thought we did | 17:29 |
| devananda | it's an idea that I discussed in passing with folks maybe a year ago, but I don't see what problems it actually solves | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | I wonder if the next summit, when we have more slots, we could have a slot for subprojects | 17:29 |
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| devananda | afaict, it's just "make a more flexible deploy driver" | 17:29 |
| jroll | "Features to increase reliabity and availability" IMO this is very broad, and some parts of it are way in the future. anyone +1/-1 on this? | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, well it has some hard dependencies that may take the whole cycle to be completed | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | cinder | 17:31 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | so, not sure if it worth talk about it right now ? | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | at least for mitaka, I think it's a good session for the future | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | maybe next summit... | 17:32 |
| jroll | other than that one, it's just a list of things that aren't contentious and we have a good path forward on | 17:32 |
| jroll | that one being the N+1 thing | 17:32 |
| jroll | yeah, I'm going to boot that one | 17:32 |
| devananda | we had a session on cinder last summit -- it was great to share knowledge with everyone | 17:32 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, ++ | 17:32 |
| devananda | but there wasn't anything contentious that I recall. so I htink that's just a matter of "lets get the things written and reviewed" | 17:32 |
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| NobodyCam | ya we did learn some new things in that session .. so ++ | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | that went very one, tho we didn't merge/implemented that work yet | 17:33 |
| devananda | more scalable / faster / better lock manager? | 17:33 |
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| lucasagomes | I like lock manager idea | 17:34 |
| gabriel | are there plans to carry cinder integration on in this cycle? | 17:34 |
| jroll | devananda: so what's there to talk about there? upgrade is going to be weird/hard, other than that? | 17:34 |
| jroll | I'm going to move some stuff around since I've crossed a bunch of things out here | 17:35 |
| jroll | gabriel: yes | 17:35 |
| wanyen | gariel, yes. iLo driver team is working on Cinder integration. | 17:35 |
| devananda | jroll: tooz or !tooz. wait for cross-project agreement or do-it-now. if we want to pick one, which one? | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel, ++, that have been requested many times | 17:35 |
| devananda | jroll: these are all things that several of us have different opinions on, I beliee | 17:35 |
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| devananda | and since we have different opinions, I thnk that means it's worth hashing it out in person rather than in a spec | 17:36 |
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| jroll | devananda: yeah, fair enough | 17:37 |
| devananda | I'd also suggest group management get a slot | 17:37 |
| devananda | we've punted on the chassis vs. tags vs. something else discussion for a while | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah... | 17:37 |
| vdrok | ++ for group management | 17:37 |
| jroll | yeah, I'm okay with that | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: oh that would be a good one | 17:37 |
| wanyen | devananda and jroll: ilo driver team has a group managemt spec, it's udner internal review. We plan to submit a spec soon. | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | would love to either use or remove chassis obj | 17:38 |
| gabriel | So shouldn't we have a session on cinder integration, then? Or is it already well discussed? | 17:38 |
| devananda | wanyen: can you get a draft up before the summit? this week would even be great ... | 17:38 |
| jroll | wanyen: it would be very very beneficial to have that up before summit | 17:38 |
| jroll | gabriel: it's pretty well discussed, people have work in progress on it | 17:38 |
| devananda | gabriel: I feel like it's well discussed | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel, it's been discussed already | 17:38 |
| devananda | :) | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | we know what needs to be done, we just need to do it | 17:38 |
| wanyen | jroll: yes. Will sumbit it before summit | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | for both boot from volume and also mounting volumes | 17:39 |
| gabriel | I see... thanks. | 17:39 |
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| jroll | wanyen: thanks | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, cool! please make sure it's more or less in line with the ongoing work on adding tags (or that it explicitly supersedes it) | 17:39 |
| wanyen | devananda: okay. we will try to submit it by end of this week | 17:39 |
| * dtantsur is really not sure how these two features are related | 17:40 | |
| jroll | ok, so we're down to 9 sessions for 8 slots | 17:40 |
| devananda | progress! | 17:40 |
| jroll | just need to remove one more - rate of reviews thing? | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | :-) | 17:40 |
| jroll | I'm good with removing that and talking about it informally | 17:40 |
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| wanyen | dtantsur: it will be group management APi & framework. The implementaiton can be done by enhancing tag or use native hardware group mgmt capabilities. | 17:41 |
| devananda | jroll: 1 and 9 are very similar | 17:41 |
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| jroll | devananda: ....kinda | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, good! I'm just making sure you're aware of it | 17:41 |
| devananda | driver composition && driver API | 17:41 |
| jroll | devananda: I think there's 40 minutes worth of stuff in each one | 17:41 |
| devananda | they're different, but related | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | mmmmm... remotely related, I would say | 17:41 |
| devananda | oh, totally -- we could talk for hours on each of these topics, I suspect :) | 17:42 |
| jroll | devananda: and I don't think "how to improve rate of reviews" is a great summit session | 17:42 |
| devananda | jroll: *nod* | 17:42 |
| jroll | anyone opposed to removing that one? (#7) | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, we can talk about it in the ironic dinner (are we having one? ) | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | I mean the review thing | 17:42 |
| devananda | jroll: would "how to better coordinate reviews across the team, so we can land code faster" be better? | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | and if we don't have a dinner planned, we should | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | ++ for removing, ++ for handling it during the dinner | 17:42 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: nobody has set up a dinner yet afaik | 17:42 |
| jroll | devananda: see also "get organized" :D | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, we can talk about it in the open topics | 17:43 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, even friday | 17:43 |
| devananda | jroll: right. I don't see that in a slot | 17:43 |
| jroll | ok, nuking it | 17:43 |
| wanyen | jroll: I actually like to discuss review process for 3rd-party driver spec & code | 17:43 |
| jroll | ok, we're 8/8 there, is anyone opposed to the list? I'll work with some folks this week as far as scheduling | 17:44 |
| wanyen | jroll: and 3rd-party doc | 17:44 |
| jroll | wanyen: yes, I think there's a few things to talk about there, could you add those to the 3rd party session? | 17:45 |
| wanyen | ok | 17:45 |
| jroll | wanyen: oh, never mind, that's 3rd party CI | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | jroll, as to the FRIDAY section, do you object if I put an ironic-inspector team meet up there as well? | 17:45 |
| jroll | wanyen: let's talk later about when/how to discuss that :) | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | we do need a chance to chat over our stuff | 17:46 |
| jroll | dtantsur: not necessarily, however that's a 30 person room we're sharing with infra already :/ | 17:46 |
| jroll | dtantsur: but inspector is part of the ironic umbrella, so mi casa es su casa | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | jroll, ironic-inspector team is a subset of the ironic team anyway (though not of the core team) | 17:46 |
| jroll | (my house is your house, meaning we can share) | 17:46 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:46 |
| jroll | that seems fine to me | 17:46 |
| jroll | I'm going to open up open discussion in case folks have other topics, we can of course continue this one too | 17:47 |
| jroll | thanks for everyone's help sorting these out | 17:47 |
| jroll | :D | 17:47 |
| jroll | #topic Open Discussion | 17:47 |
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| wanyen | jroll: I added under 3rd-party CI. You canre-org it | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | who wants to have an ironic dinner? | 17:48 |
| mariojv | \o | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | \o | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | Should we add support for 'Openstack-*' headers? In addition to 'X-Openstack-*' headers? | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | \o for dinner :) | 17:48 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, not before they finally land the cross-project spec | 17:48 |
| jroll | wanyen: thanks. I'm not sure we'll have time for it at a summit session. I don't know what topics you have for that, maybe best to start on mailing list? | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, if the rest of OS decides on Openstack-* I think so | 17:48 |
| jroll | jlvillal: yeah, we should follow API working group guidelines, generally | 17:48 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: ++ for dinner | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | Okay, sounds like we wait on header changes. | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | ok, and which day would suit most people better? | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | perhaps thursday ? (not sure if there's anything planned on thursday evening) | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | Tue and Wed are various parties | 17:49 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: tuesday and wed are bad for me | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | Thu lgtm (at least for now) | 17:49 |
| jroll | monday or thursday or friday should work afaik for me | 17:49 |
| mariojv | i vote thursday, since people may have flights friday night or early saturday morning | 17:50 |
| krtaylor | Mon or Thurs | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | iirc there was a service to vote on day, no? | 17:50 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: doodle | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, doodle or somehting like that | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:50 |
| wanyen | jroll: mainly to see if upstream can have a lighter-weight review process for 3rd-party spec, code and doc. An perhaps allowing vendor to approve their own spec. | 17:50 |
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| * lucasagomes creates a doodle | 17:50 | |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:51 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: do you want to organize the dinner? or we could see if BadCub would mind? | 17:51 |
| jroll | nice, ty | 17:51 |
| betherly | o/ for dinner! sorry my IRC chose to fail sending that message | 17:51 |
| jroll | wanyen: that seems like a good topic for the mailing list :) | 17:51 |
| wanyen | jroll: ok if we don't have time to discuss that at summit. | 17:52 |
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| jroll | wanyen: we may have time friday, but let's start the conversation on the ML | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, if BadCup can do it, it would be better | 17:52 |
| * lucasagomes is not good organizing anything | 17:52 | |
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| lucasagomes | but if not I can try to see something | 17:52 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: ^ mind checking with BadCub | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | badcup? lol | 17:52 |
| jroll | WELP | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | LOL | 17:52 |
| jroll | LOL | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | BadCub, you have been invoked | 17:52 |
| BadCub | what did I do now? | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:52 |
| devananda | LOL | 17:52 |
| TheJulia | volunteered, don't worry ;) | 17:53 |
| BadCub | why hast thou summoned me from my slumber? lol | 17:53 |
| jroll | BadCub: lucasagomes is going to send out a doodle about ironic dinner dates; would you mind organizing that beyond the doodle? | 17:53 |
| jroll | lol | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | folks seems to love your ablity to plan dinners ... they are asking for your help again | 17:53 |
| jroll | hehe | 17:53 |
| jlvillal | BadCub: The curse of being good at organizing things... ;) | 17:53 |
| jroll | it's his people skills :) | 17:53 |
| BadCub | Sure. Just shoot me some ideas and I shall grumble my way around them | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:54 |
| jroll | hehe, thanks man | 17:54 |
| BadCub | anytime :) | 17:54 |
| jroll | 5 minutes left if anyone has something else? | 17:54 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: maybe worth putting a "things I refuse to eat" section on that doodle. e.g. dansmith won't eat tentacles. | 17:55 |
| BadCub | just know.. BadCub does not do raw food or fish heads. So we gotta find multi-use cuisine | 17:55 |
| jroll | I suspect BadCub won't... yeah that | 17:55 |
| * jlvillal hasn't yet figured out how to get from airport to hotel... | 17:55 | |
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| dansmith | jroll: +1 | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, oh ok... will redo it | 17:55 |
| betherly | ditto jlvillal | 17:55 |
| BadCub | jl | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:55 |
| jroll | jlvillal: I hear "airport limousine bus" is recommended | 17:55 |
| BadCub | jlv | 17:55 |
| BadCub | ugh | 17:55 |
| betherly | i have heard taxis are ludicrously expensive there | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | or people can put in the comments? | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | http://doodle.com/poll/2nqbemmrdd9a5ypd | 17:55 |
| dansmith | jlvillal: there is a train | 17:55 |
| jroll | BadCub: tab, not enter | 17:55 |
| BadCub | why wont it work | 17:56 |
| devananda | jlvillal: http://www.rome2rio.com/s/Tokyo-Narita-Airport-NRT/The-Westin-Tokyo-Station << wont be exactly what you need, but that site is great | 17:56 |
| dansmith | jlvillal: costs much less than the limo bus | 17:56 |
| BadCub | yes, train.. that is what I was trying to say | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | roflao | 17:56 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah that seems fine | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | ++ train | 17:56 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: put that on the ML maybe? | 17:56 |
| jlvillal | dansmith: devananda and others. Thanks for the tips on transport | 17:56 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, will do | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | I think there's even a direct train there | 17:56 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | the train stops like acorss the park from the hotel | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | *host hotel | 17:57 |
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| betherly | thanks for the tips :) | 17:58 |
| jroll | alright, I'm gonna wrap this up | 17:59 |
| jroll | great meeting, all, thank you! | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | cool thanks all | 18:00 |
| betherly | ok thanks all :) | 18:00 |
| gabriel | thank you all o/ | 18:00 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 18:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-10-12-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-10-12-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: o/ | 19:59 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: o/ | 19:59 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: I manged to wake up :P | 20:00 |
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| flaper87 | ok, lets start | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: congrats! I assume that means you're adjusted to the tz | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: yeah | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 20:01:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| mordred | yay | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | I don't have a courtesy-ping list for this meeting so, I hope everyone is around | 20:01 |
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| flaper87 | :D | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | I know sdague was interested | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | sdague: jaypipes | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | I know those two | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | and maybe lifeless? | 20:02 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | ttx: in case you're awake | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: you could just ping everyone in case | 20:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | reviewing from bottom up as we speak | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | ttx: mind using the courtesy ping list from the tc? | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for jeblair, russellb, annegentle, markmcclain, dtroyer | 20:02 |
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| flaper87 | just in case others are around | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: thanks | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 20:03 |
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| dhellmann | I think that's everyone who hasn't already poked their head up or been mentioned | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cross-project-session-planning | 20:03 |
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| jaypipes | hey, I'm here. I'm on the etherpad commenting.. | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | That's pretty much our agenda. Lets try to go through as many as we can | 20:03 |
| Eva-i | Hello. I'm here too. | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | I've added them in order of submission | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | unless I messed that up | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | #topic Role assignments for service users | 20:03 |
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| sdague | ok, so for folks that haven't commented on the etherpad yet, I'd say that's where you should be doing things. Do we want to give folks sort of 20 minutes to get through the list | 20:03 |
| sdague | flaper87: I don't think walking through 27 items on irc is going to really work, we should get people to comment in etherpad and cull first | 20:04 |
| ttx | almost done | 20:04 |
| jaypipes | sdague: I'd appreciate that, but I feel selfish for saying it.. | 20:04 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, flaper87 how about if we try to identify anything we can cut as a first pass? | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | or the other way, anything we think is critical | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ok, I'm good with that. First time running this meeting s open to suggestions and corrections | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | sdague: ^ | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | well, I'm always open to that but you get my point | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | #topic Fast-Track topics | 20:06 |
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| flaper87 | Any topics in particular you'd like to fast-track? | 20:06 |
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| sdague | the deprecation one | 20:07 |
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| dhellmann | service catalog, too | 20:07 |
| sdague | that came out of the TC meeting, so seems like a thing we should definitely land | 20:07 |
| mordred | flaper87: 18 and 8 and the deprecation one | 20:07 |
| jeblair | ==27 | 20:07 |
| mordred | 27 | 20:07 |
| mordred | gah | 20:07 |
| mordred | 17 is what I meant | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | Service catalog got some good votes (1) | 20:07 |
| mordred | 8, 17 and 27 | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | I'd also like the themes discssion, #19, but that seems to have tepid support | 20:08 |
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| ttx | are we sure everything that was on the etherpad got moved here ? | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | and *something* about defcore, we had 2 I think we can combine | 20:08 |
| annegentle | o/ sorry I'm late | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to see #2 in as well | 20:08 |
| sdague | ttx: everything in odsreg is here | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | ttx: is there something missing? | 20:08 |
| mordred | jaypipes: (I agree wholeheartedly with you on 8 btw - I'm on it) | 20:08 |
| ttx | sdague: I mean the original submission etherpad | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | So, we have #2 and #8 that are very similar | 20:09 |
| sdague | ttx: I have no idea | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | ttx: isn't this the same pad? | 20:09 |
| sdague | I think I was out the week that all went down | 20:09 |
| sdague | dhellmann: it is not | 20:09 |
| mordred | flaper87: 2 and 18 you mean? | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | mordred: yes, sorry | 20:09 |
| sdague | dhellmann: this is effectively an export of odsreg | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | oh, this is the only etherpad I have a link to | 20:09 |
| sdague | which was a pretty manual process, so lets never do this again :) | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | this is the same etherpad | 20:10 |
| sdague | flaper87: oh, ok | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | ok, focus | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | so far I have | 20:10 |
| jeblair | yes, i'd like to combine 2 and 18 and fast-track that | 20:10 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | 2, 8, 18, 27 | 20:10 |
| ttx | we might want to pick sessions for double-slots too | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | we can combine 2 and 18 | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | so, I'd go with the first one that was submitted and work on that | 20:10 |
| sdague | if we combine 2 and 18 who has the baton on moderator for it? | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | mordred: jeblair dhellmann preferences? | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: I'm making notes about this near line 18 | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: thanks | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: I can moderate that, with mark's input | 20:11 |
| jeblair | flaper87: i think dhellmann should mod, and should coordinate with mvoelker to see his things are included | 20:11 |
| jeblair | or, what dhellmann just said :) | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: :D | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | ok, sold! | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'd want mark's content as the first 5 minutes to frame the discussion, I think | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to see #23 as well | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | I think we should fast-track that one | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | That'd be documentation | 20:12 |
| sdague | I added a Nack list, as there are a couple that seem pretty clear we drop | 20:13 |
| sdague | 16 - rocky withdrew it | 20:13 |
| sdague | 7 - chungg said he couldn't run it any more | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: 23 seems pretty good but only has +1 votes so far | 20:13 |
| jeblair | yeah, i'd like to have it but it doesn't seem like fast-track material to me | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:14 |
| sdague | ttx: are you proposing rolling 22 into 23? | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | oh and 19 | 20:15 |
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| flaper87 | I think that one could also be fast-tracked | 20:15 |
| ttx | sdague: I think I can touch on the important points in #22 in #23 instead. I kind of agree that a full session about pain points is likely to be counterproductive | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | we 2 several on roles and policy, can we take that group and sort through those? #1 & #12 | 20:15 |
| sdague | how close are people feeling towards scoring all the ones they care about? is another 5 minutes good enough for that? | 20:16 |
| ttx | I'm done with scoring | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ++ Can you (or someone else) help with pinging these folks? | 20:16 |
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| flaper87 | Any objections on #19 ? | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: pinging? | 20:16 |
| ttx | nope | 20:17 |
| sdague | dhellmann: honestly, I don't know. It's one of those places there was a lot of going around this last cycle, and honestly if they need 2 sessions it might be better than other things on there | 20:17 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I thnk 1 and 12 are a bit different | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: I thought you meant you wanted to ask them to work together. nevermind | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | sdague: sure, I wasn't necessarily saying combine just that we look at them as a theme | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: misunderstood you, keep going :) | 20:17 |
| mordred | yah. as a theme for sure - I thnk they're complimentary brian topics | 20:17 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, I'd say put them back to back | 20:17 |
| sdague | 6 is another candidate nack, it's super vague, and people scored it badly | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | sdague: did you happen to talk to ayoung about the scope change on 12? | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ++ | 20:18 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I did not directly talk to him about it | 20:18 |
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| flaper87 | sdague: ++ nack'd it | 20:19 |
| sdague | ok, who needs more time for scoring? | 20:19 |
| ttx | We can abandon #22 and I can touch on the very few points that matter there on #23 instead | 20:19 |
| sdague | otherwise I'm going to start doing maths | 20:19 |
| jeblair | i'm good. | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | ttx: added to the nacks list | 20:19 |
| sdague | jaypipes: ? | 20:19 |
| sdague | annegentle: ? | 20:19 |
| ttx | I could reword it a bit. I want to touch on helping people keep up with the dev news | 20:19 |
| ttx | but that can live in #23 | 20:20 |
| annegentle | sdague: still scoring, ya | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | sdague: yeah, 2 more minutes please. | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | (i'm on 22) | 20:20 |
| sdague | ok I'll start at the top with stuff you've voted on | 20:21 |
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| sdague | also, whoever is yellow, you need to add your name to your scores | 20:21 |
| sdague | a yellow +1 showed up on #3 | 20:21 |
| jeblair | sdague, flaper87: i started a list of things we should put in the ops session hole at the top | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx: while we wait, a procedural note: if we're going to use odsreg next time, we need to hook it up to send comments as email so we can get feedback from proposers | 20:21 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann, ttx: if we do, i can make that happen. piece of cake. | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: awesome, thanks! | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | I think #10 is also good for fast-track | 20:22 |
| sdague | it also needs real data export | 20:22 |
| sdague | because manually doing the sqlite dumps to get it back into the etherpad was pretty gorpy | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: great, I think that would be an improvement | 20:22 |
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| annegentle | almost there, sorry for the delay I'm off today with kids | 20:23 |
| ttx | I proposed a more catch-all title for #23 now that we abandoned #22 | 20:23 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: thanks | 20:23 |
| annegentle | ding! | 20:24 |
| annegentle | done :) | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | we have 21 slots, btw. So far we've 5 sessions | 20:24 |
| ttx | so with the 5 nacks we already have less than we have slots. | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | ttx: :) | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | and 27 submissions total | 20:25 |
| ttx | is there anything that would benefit from a double session ? | 20:25 |
| annegentle | flaper87: nice work | 20:25 |
| annegentle | :) | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | we've nacked 5 and we've merged a couple of them | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: thanks :D | 20:25 |
| sdague | dhellmann: rescope to .... | 20:25 |
| jaypipes | ttx: the DLM one. | 20:25 |
| mordred | jaypipes: ++ | 20:25 |
| ttx | ++ | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | jaypipes: ++ | 20:26 |
| ttx | ok noted | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | that'll require some serious talking and bike-shedding | 20:26 |
| jaypipes | heh | 20:26 |
| ttx | anything else ? | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | I wonder if DefCore | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | but I'm not sure | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ? | 20:26 |
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| ttx | service catalog TNG maybe | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | sdague: catching up, sorry | 20:26 |
| annegentle | DefCore prolly | 20:27 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, you were typing in the etherpad | 20:27 |
| sdague | on the dynamic policy one | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: I'm missing context | 20:27 |
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| sdague | and it sort of ends mid sentence | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: double slotes for the DefCore session | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | slots* | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, I was trying to listen to ayound at the same time, I finished it | 20:27 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: I don't think we need 2 sessions | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ok | 20:27 |
| mordred | ttx: service catalog tng would be good to hammer on | 20:28 |
| mordred | if we have time, I'm guessing | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: the point there is to start the engagement and establish lines of communication, and we should timebox that | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: sounds good! | 20:28 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: the only other one I think *might* need 2 slots is the future of multinode testing one. | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | mordred: ++ | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | I think the Service Catalog will also require some time | 20:30 |
| sdague | jaypipes: I'm not sure there is 2 sessions worth in there | 20:30 |
| sdague | for multinode testing | 20:31 |
| sdague | at least for the next cycle | 20:31 |
| jaypipes | sdague: no? ok, I trust your judgment on that. | 20:31 |
| ttx | mordred: well, at one point it will be, should we have this session or a double-slot on that one | 20:31 |
| ttx | ok, so 2 double-slot candidates | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | also, I'm adding the service catalog one to the Approvals, it has 16 voes | 20:31 |
| ttx | ok, how about we reorder them by score | 20:32 |
| sdague | ok, do we want to try slotting some of the top ranked ones at this point ? | 20:32 |
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| flaper87 | ok, so far we have 8 slots occupied (counting double sessions) | 20:32 |
| ttx | sdague: ok, let's do that | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | sdague: I was doing that already | 20:33 |
| * jaypipes thinks the performance working group kickoff session is important to have in the cross-project track. | 20:33 | |
| flaper87 | I mean, getting the obvious ones ups | 20:33 |
| sdague | flaper87: no, I mean on the schedule | 20:33 |
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| flaper87 | sdague: oh, ok | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | sorry | 20:33 |
| mordred | flaper87: I think 8 should go early, and 21 should go before 5 | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | sounds good | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | mordred: yup yup! | 20:33 |
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| flaper87 | FY | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/cross+project+workshops#.VhwYzc-1RZI | 20:34 |
| sdague | so, now we get into the fun | 20:34 |
| ttx | how about we NACK all the negative scores | 20:34 |
| sdague | flaper87: there is a chunk at the bottom of the etherpad with bullet list for slots | 20:34 |
| sdague | so I'm going to put 27 in one of the 2pm slots | 20:35 |
| jeblair | flaper87, sdague: i found 5 things that i thought would be good for the 2pm slots; listed at top of etherpad | 20:35 |
| jeblair | flaper87, sdague: i think 3 of them are stronger than the other 2 | 20:35 |
| mordred | oh. booo. I want to be in 27 and 21 and both want to be at 2pm | 20:35 |
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| ttx | I propose we NACK 15 13 and 9 as having negative scores | 20:36 |
| sdague | ttx +1 | 20:36 |
| jeblair | mordred: only 3 of them can be, so we have choices there | 20:36 |
| * mordred agrees with jebliar about 21 not being in 2pm - makes his personal schedule better | 20:36 | |
| sdague | yeh, I wouldn't put 21 at 2 | 20:36 |
| flaper87 | ++ for 21 at 2 | 20:37 |
| sdague | because the ops we get that talk aren't those ops | 20:37 |
| sdague | so I don't think it's useful crossover | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | I think we could have #8 after #27 | 20:37 |
| ttx | so basically we NACKed enough to have our two double slots now | 20:37 |
| ttx | and approve everything else | 20:37 |
| sdague | 5 at 2pm sounds good | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | it's likely that many folks attending that one would want to stick around | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | and we need 2 slots | 20:37 |
| * ttx adds room capacity to the equation | 20:38 | |
| jeblair | sdague: 3 vs 20 for a 2pm? | 20:38 |
| sdague | ttx: are they all the same size? | 20:38 |
| ttx | you wish | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | lol | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | what's special about 2:00? is that the ops track hole? | 20:38 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: yse | 20:38 |
| sdague | jeblair: I think 3 | 20:38 |
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| sdague | 20 is more dev focussed | 20:38 |
| jeblair | sdague: cool, we agree on 27/3/5 :) | 20:39 |
| sdague | though it means I can't go to 3 | 20:39 |
| sdague | but, oh well | 20:39 |
| sdague | yeh | 20:39 |
| ttx | sdague: added capacity to the bottom of etherpad | 20:39 |
| jeblair | sdague: :( | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | I think 5 should be at 2 | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | ttx: thanks, that helps | 20:39 |
| sdague | flaper87: yep, but not 21 | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | sdague: agreed! | 20:40 |
| sdague | so selfishly I'd like 17 in the pre lunch block in one of those rooms | 20:40 |
| ttx | so. I striked out all the ones on the NACK list. Anything you think we should NOT have ? | 20:41 |
| ttx | anything else * | 20:41 |
| sdague | it probably doesn't need the A room if we think there will be a bigger topic | 20:41 |
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| ttx | next on the NACK kill list would be #4 with 0 votes | 20:41 |
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| * ttx votes and kills it too | 20:42 | |
| jeblair | ttx: nicely done | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | I think we should have #8 in Track A after #27 | 20:42 |
| sdague | ok, so flaper87 suggested 8 to follow 27 in the same room | 20:42 |
| ttx | jeblair: you can vote nd save it ! | 20:42 |
| sdague | flaper87: do it | 20:42 |
| jeblair | ttx: nope, that didn't happen | 20:43 |
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| flaper87 | I'm fine with 17 in the pre-lunch slot | 20:43 |
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| flaper87 | probably on Track B, though | 20:43 |
| sdague | flaper87: ok, lets do it | 20:43 |
| sdague | I'll let you type | 20:44 |
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| flaper87 | Ok, what about the defcore one? | 20:44 |
| ttx | sdague: should we just approve eveythign else ? We have enough NACKed to have one extra slot at this stage | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | I thin that deserves track A | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: any preference on the slot ? | 20:44 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh, I think so | 20:45 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: ++ for approving everything else | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | we have enough slots | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: for #2? | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: yes | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | I think A or B, early in the day since I expect it will have an impact on other discussions | 20:46 |
| ttx | sdague: then we can discuss what we do of the extra slot | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: actually, I guess all of these are before project discussions so the time doesn't matter so much | 20:46 |
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| jeblair | ttx: sleep | 20:46 |
| sdague | so 1 and 12 should go back to back, so do them in the 2:50 B block? | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ok, I'd do B pre-lunch for now | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | unless someone disagrees | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | erm, I meant A | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | B pre-lunch is taken already | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | sdague: ++ | 20:48 |
| ttx | Of mine I think 23 and 24 can live in the small room (C). I'd say 11 and 21 needs at least the B room | 20:48 |
| sdague | ok, those are on | 20:48 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: I stuck themes earlier, but that can move to another room if we need the space for something else | 20:48 |
| sdague | ttx do you have proposed timeblocks | 20:48 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: aewsome | 20:48 |
| flaper87 | and +1 for having 19 early in the day | 20:48 |
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| sdague | ttx given that you are an exclusive lock | 20:48 |
| ttx | argh, that will be a difficult one. Let me try | 20:49 |
| jeblair | sdague: do you think "service catalogs" might should be a "theme for the mitaka cycle?" | 20:50 |
| sdague | python 3 in C first thing? | 20:50 |
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| mordred | sdague: do we have the right people available for 3 in the 2pm slot? I worry that it's going to be a topic that wants to make progress and will not have humans in the room | 20:50 |
| sdague | jeblair: it might be | 20:50 |
| mordred | (it just hit me) | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | I added #10 to track C at 2:50 | 20:50 |
| sdague | mordred: how about we stick more stuff on and then horse trade? | 20:50 |
| jeblair | sdague: (if so, hopefully someone can advocate for it since they collide) | 20:50 |
| mordred | sdague: kk | 20:50 |
| sdague | jeblair: yeh, I think that can happen by proxy | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | and it goes back to back w/ the openstack way | 20:51 |
| jeblair | sdague: cool | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: I think I've copied all of the unscheduled titles down near the bottom of the page | 20:51 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: super helpful, thanks! | 20:51 |
| ttx | sdague: I placed them | 20:51 |
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| sdague | ok, I put python 3 on the early block in C | 20:52 |
| ttx | anyone else being moderators on multiple sessions ? | 20:52 |
| ttx | sdague: ++ | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | sdague: ++ | 20:52 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I think I have 2, defcore and themes | 20:52 |
| ttx | sdague: 11 could move on room A | 20:53 |
| ttx | if we don't have a better candidate for that | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | I've put 26 track C last in the day | 20:53 |
| sdague | so, we have keystone federation, multinode testing, and upgrades? | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | not sure about the capacity for that one | 20:53 |
| ttx | multinode testing can be in room C | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | but I assumed track C would be enoug and I'd rather have keystone federation on B | 20:53 |
| sdague | ttx if 11 moved to room A, I'd put the live upgrades bit in B in that slot | 20:54 |
| ttx | sdague: done | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | B is fully booked so I've put 25 in C | 20:55 |
| ttx | sdague: oh, btw. | 20:55 |
| sdague | so that's it right? as there was a free slot? | 20:55 |
| sdague | now stare and horse trade? | 20:55 |
| ttx | sdague: after 3:40pm the ops only have woring sessions, not fishbowls, so we should put ops-related things there if they don't fit teh 2pm slot | 20:55 |
| flaper87 | I wonder if we should move Keystone to track A | 20:55 |
| mordred | ttx: I want to rearrange all of your sessions :) | 20:55 |
| flaper87 | that could/should have more attendance | 20:55 |
| ttx | mordred: wait I just added a constrinat | 20:56 |
| ttx | constraint | 20:56 |
| sdague | mordred: so, originally you wanted to move 3 | 20:56 |
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| flaper87 | any thoughts on moving Keystone's session? Or do we prefer to keep that slot free just in case? | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | (6 mins left) | 20:56 |
| mordred | sdague: I did and do | 20:56 |
| sdague | flaper87: yeh, put keystone in the last A block | 20:57 |
| sdague | that's going to probably need bigger than C | 20:57 |
| mordred | sdague: I kinda feel like you should be in 3 | 20:57 |
| sdague | flaper87: no, don't move the test one | 20:57 |
| mordred | ttx: and I'd like to swap 21 and 24 - because 21 feels like a scoping setup for later conversations | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | sdague: oh, sorry | 20:58 |
| mordred | but I'm just talking out loud | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | sdague: I thought about giving that track an early end of the day but I guess you're booked on both | 20:58 |
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| flaper87 | mordred: +1 for swapping those | 20:58 |
| ttx | mordred: it's tricky they are not in the same room | 20:59 |
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| sdague | mordred: so if we put 3 in the 4:40 block, I could probably be in it | 20:59 |
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| sdague | so bump it to 4:40 in C | 20:59 |
| mordred | then I vote we do that | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | hmm, I won't be able to attend but maybe dims can | 21:00 |
| sdague | I guess that means that 21 could be in the 2 block | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | mmh, but I think 3 should use some ops love | 21:00 |
| sdague | flaper87: the ops get quieter later in the day | 21:00 |
| jeblair | we could also strategically leave the 2pm hole empty in order to funnel more people to 27 or 5 | 21:00 |
| sdague | so I don't know | 21:00 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 21:00 |
| sdague | yeh, honestly, leaving the 2 slot empty seems reasonable | 21:00 |
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| mordred | although I really want to be in 27 and 5 | 21:01 |
| mordred | but *shrug* | 21:01 |
| mordred | I think they're both in the right place | 21:01 |
| mordred | I'll just bounce between | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | sdague: yeah but dunno, I don't like to make those assumptions | 21:01 |
| ttx | OK I'll need to drop | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | we're done folks! | 21:01 |
| jeblair | ttx: goodnight! | 21:01 |
| ttx | I added my constraints, in case you want to move things around | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | Thank you all and sorry for all the mess | 21:01 |
| sdague | ok, so... we should inform all the proposers of their slots | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | I think we did great :P | 21:01 |
| sdague | because they might have conflicts | 21:01 |
| mordred | flaper87, sdague: ++ | 21:02 |
| sdague | so we can do last minute shuffle before stamping it good at tc meeting tomorrow | 21:02 |
| sdague | flaper87: can you handle that, as it's almost daytime for you now :) | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | sdague: yeah, mind doing that? An early email would be great and I won't be able to send one until later today | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | lol | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | ok | 21:02 |
| ttx | nice work, I think it's good content | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | I'll do it | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:02 |
| sdague | flaper87: I'm done for the day :) | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | Thank you all | 21:02 |
| sdague | thanks folks | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 21:02:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-10-12-20.01.html | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-10-12-20.01.txt | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-10-12-20.01.log.html | 21:02 |
| ttx | #success We may have a cross-project track | 21:02 |
| openstackstatus | ttx: Added success to Success page | 21:02 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i feel like you don't really need to mention that you're going to talk loud in the sessions | 21:03 |
| sdague | only mention if you won't | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | heh | 21:04 |
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| mordred | sdague: :) | 21:05 |
| mordred | sdague: it looks like I'm basically just following you around | 21:05 |
| sdague | stalker | 21:05 |
| * mordred rememers to pack his photo-album full of sdague heads | 21:07 | |
| sdague | :) | 21:07 |
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| vkmc | #startmeeting zaqar | 21:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 21:09:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkmc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 21:09 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:10 |
| vkmc | #topic Roll call | 21:10 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 21:10 |
| vkmc | hi everybody | 21:10 |
| njohnston | Hi! | 21:10 |
| vkmc | so this is kinda improvised and it will be probably a short meeting since I didn't got a notification from the PTL regarding their presence today | 21:10 |
| Eva-i | Hello, hello | 21:11 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 21:11 |
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| vkmc | I'm aware we have some topics to discuss today though :) | 21:12 |
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| vkmc | #topic Zaqar UI for Horizon | 21:12 |
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| vkmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076703.html | 21:13 |
| vkmc | exploreshaifali worked on creating some mockups for something we have been waiting for a while ago... the UI for Zaqar | 21:14 |
| exploreshaifali | Hello! | 21:14 |
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| vkmc | probably this effort will take some cycles to be concluded, but I'm really happy that exploreshaifali took the initiative and put this topic on the table | 21:14 |
| vkmc | hi exploreshaifali! | 21:14 |
| exploreshaifali | BP is also there, I am searching its link | 21:14 |
| vkmc | sweet | 21:15 |
| exploreshaifali | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/zaqar-ui | 21:15 |
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| vkmc | any feedback about those mockups will be welcome, please share your thoughts on the thread whenever you have a moment to check those out | 21:15 |
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| vkmc | I myself have that in my todo list as well :) | 21:15 |
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| vkmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/zaqar-ui | 21:16 |
| vkmc | the next step exploreshaifali, would be to write an spec for Zaqar UI and submit it for review | 21:16 |
| exploreshaifali | I will add stuff like what are pools and flavors but also I need some pointers what to add in "Testing" part | 21:16 |
| vkmc | #action exploreshaifali write an spec for Zaqar UI | 21:16 |
| vkmc | oh cool | 21:17 |
| vkmc | makes sense | 21:17 |
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| vkmc | probably we will need to consider adding some tests in the Horizon side | 21:17 |
| exploreshaifali | this will be spec for horizon | 21:17 |
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| exploreshaifali | and horizon only works on BP, they don't have spec like thing | 21:18 |
| vkmc | I think it would make more sense to have it in the Zaqar side | 21:18 |
| vkmc | so we can keep track of changes | 21:18 |
| exploreshaifali | sure sure, I am happy to do that! | 21:18 |
| exploreshaifali | so first I will complete BP and than will start with zaqar spec | 21:18 |
| vkmc | and we also make clear the milestone we expect to have that feature and who will be working on that | 21:18 |
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| vkmc | so... you write the spec and to link the bp to it | 21:19 |
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| exploreshaifali | okay, Thanks :) | 21:19 |
| vkmc | does that make sense? | 21:19 |
| exploreshaifali | yes | 21:19 |
| vkmc | ok awesome | 21:20 |
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| vkmc | any other comments on this? someone interested in giving exploreshaifali a hand? I dunno if she needs a hand, but I know its a big change so :) | 21:20 |
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| vkmc | no? ok, we will discuss this again for sure so we can revisit | 21:21 |
| exploreshaifali | yes, it will be great to have a hand | 21:21 |
| exploreshaifali | no problem :) | 21:21 |
| vkmc | ok, let's move to another topic | 21:21 |
| vkmc | *thanks a lot* exploreshaifali for working on this | 21:21 |
| vkmc | :D | 21:21 |
| vkmc | #topic Zaqar Docs | 21:22 |
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| exploreshaifali | Thanks You guys :) | 21:22 |
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| vkmc | this has been a recurrent topic in our meetings... we have to improve docs | 21:22 |
| vkmc | a few weeks ago we had a docs day | 21:22 |
| vkmc | but everybody was busy because of the freeze | 21:22 |
| Eva-i | I have some thoughts about docs | 21:23 |
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| vkmc | and we couldn't have as many improvements as we would wish | 21:23 |
| vkmc | and yes, I was going to tackle that Eva-i | 21:23 |
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| Eva-i | let me post a paste | 21:23 |
| vkmc | Eva-i is an Outreachy applicant and she has been working on Zaqar for a couple of days already... and I'm happy to say that she already have some feedback for us regarding this | 21:24 |
| vkmc | sure, floor is yours Eva-i | 21:24 |
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| Eva-i | It's a bit long though: http://paste.openstack.org/show/476066/ | 21:24 |
| exploreshaifali | Eva-i, good to know that! and welcome :) | 21:24 |
| vkmc | its ok Eva-i, thanks for writing it down | 21:24 |
| Eva-i | exploreshaifali: thank you, you're doing good job too | 21:24 |
| vkmc | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/476066/ | 21:25 |
| exploreshaifali | thanks! | 21:25 |
| * vkmc reads the paste | 21:25 | |
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| vkmc | dry violations... totally agree | 21:26 |
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| vkmc | and other details... as well | 21:26 |
| Eva-i | Maybe we should keep zaqar development docs in one place and just provide links to it from other resources | 21:27 |
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| Eva-i | *to them | 21:27 |
| vkmc | yeah... we probably need to devote a couple of days only to improve docs | 21:27 |
| vkmc | as you mentioned earlier, the docs are there but they are spread in different locations | 21:28 |
| vkmc | and its generally a blocker for any newcomer trying to contribute to the project | 21:28 |
| vkmc | also, I'd like to add that there is no documentation whatsoever about important features like pools and flavors | 21:28 |
| jasondotstar | how about setting up a dev environment? i don't know if that's covered anywhere | 21:29 |
| Eva-i | Maybe we should keep development docs in docs.openstack.org. | 21:29 |
| Eva-i | And usage docs in wiki. | 21:29 |
| vkmc | good question | 21:29 |
| vkmc | jasondotstar, ^ | 21:29 |
| vkmc | that was initially covered in the readme in the repo | 21:29 |
| Eva-i | jasondotstar: it's located here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/zaqar/development-environment.html | 21:29 |
| jasondotstar | Eva-i: thx | 21:29 |
| vkmc | I think the wiki page is overloaded with information | 21:30 |
| vkmc | its hard to find things | 21:30 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: main wiki page? | 21:30 |
| vkmc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar | 21:30 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, ^ | 21:31 |
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| exploreshaifali | I think rather keeping usage and development docs separate, better to keep all information at one place and referring them from other | 21:31 |
| vkmc | yeah | 21:32 |
| exploreshaifali | and no doubt docs will be better because they are version controlled | 21:32 |
| exploreshaifali | we will have history as well | 21:32 |
| vkmc | it's a good point exploreshaifali | 21:32 |
| exploreshaifali | :) | 21:32 |
| vkmc | well, so we have some defined things to do | 21:33 |
| Eva-i | Alright, where we should keep information? I'm new to OpenStack and I don't really know difference between wiki* and docs*. | 21:33 |
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| vkmc | Eva-i, that makes sense | 21:33 |
| vkmc | sorry if I'm going to fast heh | 21:33 |
| vkmc | so this docs http://docs.openstack.org/developer/zaqar/ live in our repo | 21:34 |
| vkmc | while the docs in the wiki doesn't | 21:34 |
| exploreshaifali | they come from https://github.com/openstack/zaqar/tree/master/doc | 21:34 |
| vkmc | exactly yes | 21:34 |
| vkmc | those docs are generated with Sphinx | 21:34 |
| vkmc | I'd say that we make everything possible to place the docs regarding how to deploy Zaqar, API description, features description in our developers guide | 21:35 |
| vkmc | and we use the wiki for "extra" information | 21:35 |
| exploreshaifali | okay. | 21:36 |
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| Eva-i | I like the idea of exploreshaifali to have version controlled docs in one place | 21:36 |
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| exploreshaifali | more better | 21:36 |
| vkmc | let's do the following... let's organize all our concerns about docs in this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-mitaka-docs | 21:36 |
| exploreshaifali | great thought vkmc :) | 21:36 |
| vkmc | we probably can trace all the docs we have right now | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | okay | 21:37 |
| vkmc | and try to sketch a new organization of docs there | 21:38 |
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| vkmc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-mitaka-docs | 21:38 |
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| Eva-i | vkmc: what is "extra information" for you? | 21:38 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, it's a good question | 21:39 |
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| vkmc | for instance, information related to the meetings | 21:39 |
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| vkmc | we have this subwiki with links to the past meetings and the meeting agenda for the next meeting, for instance | 21:39 |
| vkmc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zaqar | 21:39 |
| vkmc | but that is not linked in the main wiki for Zaqar | 21:39 |
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| vkmc | at least, not at first sight | 21:40 |
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| vkmc | also, links to past Zaqar presentations or blog posts | 21:40 |
| vkmc | all that information that is useful somehow, but certainly not something that you would include in a developers docs | 21:40 |
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| Eva-i | I'm thinking... | 21:41 |
| exploreshaifali | vkmc, we should think for zaqarclient doc | 21:41 |
| vkmc | oh as well... zaqarclient | 21:42 |
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| vkmc | and that reminds me: Zaqar use cases, Zaqar benchmarks | 21:42 |
| vkmc | that is all for the wiki | 21:42 |
| exploreshaifali | let me know if something I can help with | 21:42 |
| vkmc | sure exploreshaifali | 21:42 |
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| vkmc | you can already help with putting in the etherpad what you think is wrong in the Zaqar docs right now | 21:43 |
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| vkmc | and we can start filing bugs and fixing them | 21:43 |
| exploreshaifali | sure sure | 21:43 |
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| vkmc | cool, we can keep discussing this next week | 21:43 |
| vkmc | I'll add an action item for myself... to start checking the docs we have now and reorganize things | 21:44 |
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| vkmc | #action vkmc start checking the docs we have now and reorganize things | 21:44 |
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| vkmc | (hope I'm handling using the tag correctly) | 21:44 |
| Eva-i | Lets write down in etherpad all possible article types and sort them to wiki categories | 21:44 |
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| vkmc | any other comment on this topic? | 21:44 |
| vkmc | Eva-i++ | 21:44 |
| vkmc | (that means I support your comment) | 21:45 |
| vkmc | ok, let's move on to another topic | 21:45 |
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| vkmc | #topic OpenStack Summit Design Sessions | 21:45 |
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| vkmc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Mitaka-Zaqar | 21:46 |
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| vkmc | we have three proposed fishbowls/working sessions for the next summit | 21:46 |
| vkmc | if you are attending to the summit, I encourage that you propose a session for the design session | 21:47 |
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| vkmc | for instance, this details we have been chatting about docs can be really fun to tackle in a working session | 21:47 |
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| vkmc | we have new contributors to Zaqar, so maybe this is your first time participating in something like this and it can be scary at first | 21:48 |
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| vkmc | but... if you have an idea, propose it, and I'd love to help you leading the session to discuss that idea | 21:48 |
| * njohnston is a newb finds it a touch intimidating | 21:49 | |
| vkmc | and I know flwang and flaper87 are willing to do the same for you | 21:49 |
| vkmc | njohnston, I knew! | 21:49 |
| vkmc | haha | 21:49 |
| exploreshaifali | so should I start one for Zaqar UI? | 21:49 |
| vkmc | it creeped the hell out of me the first time I drove a session like that | 21:49 |
| vkmc | but... its really useful | 21:49 |
| vkmc | exploreshaifali, that's a great idea | 21:50 |
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| exploreshaifali | not sure if it falls under horizon | 21:50 |
| vkmc | we can invite some people from UX to give us their opinions | 21:50 |
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| vkmc | considering how the big tent model works, I'd say it falls under Zaqar | 21:50 |
| exploreshaifali | yes, will be great | 21:50 |
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| exploreshaifali | also we can include one session for doc, it time permits | 21:51 |
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| vkmc | well, anyhow... just a reminder that we still have some slots available and that we are really interested on hearing your ideas to improve Zaqar | 21:51 |
| vkmc | exploreshaifali, sounds great | 21:51 |
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| exploreshaifali | cool, I am adding two new sessions, for docs and UI | 21:52 |
| vkmc | great, thanks exploreshaifali | 21:52 |
| exploreshaifali | np :) | 21:52 |
| vkmc | ok... last but not least | 21:52 |
| vkmc | #topic Open Discussion | 21:52 |
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| exploreshaifali | I have one, zaqar cli implementation | 21:53 |
| vkmc | sure, shoot! | 21:53 |
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| exploreshaifali | as "flavor" term is overloaded in openstack one for nova and one for Zaqar | 21:53 |
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| exploreshaifali | we came up with solution of adding "message" before each and every command | 21:53 |
| vkmc | something like... openstack message flavor list | 21:54 |
| vkmc | for the flavor listing endpoint? | 21:54 |
| exploreshaifali | keeping old command(without message) working with a warning message | 21:54 |
| exploreshaifali | vkmc, yes | 21:54 |
| exploreshaifali | this will be for all commands,not only for flavor | 21:54 |
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| exploreshaifali | so on Mailing list, people liked this idea | 21:55 |
| vkmc | hmm, seems like an overkill | 21:55 |
| vkmc | yeah, I was looking for that thread | 21:55 |
| exploreshaifali | but I got one more comment to add "server" specifically for flavor command | 21:55 |
| exploreshaifali | not sure if we need that or not | 21:56 |
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| njohnston | I see the aesthetic positives of fully namespacing all zaqar CLI commands, but I wonder if it helps or hinders usability. | 21:56 |
| vkmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076269.html | 21:56 |
| vkmc | yeah... I have the same feeling | 21:57 |
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| vkmc | like... I'm imagining how would the post message function would look like | 21:57 |
| vkmc | openstack message message post | 21:57 |
| njohnston | ^ +1 | 21:57 |
| exploreshaifali | yes | 21:57 |
| vkmc | and can you use a hyphenated word? | 21:58 |
| vkmc | like | 21:58 |
| exploreshaifali | so I will post same on ML and let see what other have to say for this? | 21:58 |
| vkmc | openstack pool-flavor create | 21:58 |
| vkmc | something like that | 21:58 |
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| vkmc | doesn't sound very nice but... you don't need to deprecate all other endpoints in order to add this one | 21:59 |
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| exploreshaifali | I did gave this option as well while first discussion on IRC, that time people liked message more | 21:59 |
| vkmc | ok, we have one minute left | 21:59 |
| vkmc | let's continue this in the ML or in -zaqar channel :) | 21:59 |
| exploreshaifali | okay | 22:00 |
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| vkmc | thanks everybody for joining today's meeting | 22:00 |
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| vkmc | great stuff discussed today! | 22:00 |
| exploreshaifali | Thanks! | 22:00 |
| vkmc | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 22:00:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-10-12-21.09.html | 22:00 |
| Eva-i | bye | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-10-12-21.09.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-10-12-21.09.log.html | 22:00 |
| vkmc | exploreshaifali, Eva-i, njohnston o/ | 22:00 |
| exploreshaifali | \o | 22:00 |
| njohnston | good evening all | 22:01 |
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| ying_zuo | Hello everyone. I have a patch for Horizon needs review. Can someone please take a look? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224902/. Thanks. | 23:31 |
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