Thursday, 2018-04-12

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pvc_hi, i've successfully created a share-server but it doesnt support snapshot. im using cinder as my backend02:24
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zhongjun_pvc_: Did you add snapshot_support=True in your share type  https://docs.openstack.org/manila/pike/admin/shared-file-systems-share-types.html02:50
pvc_i see i dont add athat02:57
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openstackgerritzhongjun proposed openstack/manila-specs master: Support metadata for access rule resource  https://review.openstack.org/55110603:13
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openstackgerritzhongjun proposed openstack/manila-specs master: Support metadata for access rule resource  https://review.openstack.org/55110607:51
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openstackgerritzhongjun proposed openstack/manila-specs master: Support metadata for access rule resource  https://review.openstack.org/55110609:30
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openstackgerritzhongjun proposed openstack/manila-specs master: Add priority for access rule  https://review.openstack.org/55293511:25
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IdoKaplanHi, Is anyone here can help me please with Manila? I'm getting an error when I'm trying to add "user" access to "cifs" protocol - "ERROR oslo_messaging.rpc.server InvalidShareAccess: Invalid access rule: Only 'ip' access type allowed" . Please advise.11:55
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tbarronIdoKaplan: which back end are you using?12:02
IdoKaplantbarron: cephfs12:05
tbarronIdoKaplan: user access rules and "cifs" aren't supported for cephfs native or cephfs nfs back end12:08
tbarronIdoKaplan: https://docs.openstack.org/manila/queens/admin/cephfs_driver.html12:09
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IdoKaplantbarron: ohh, so "cifs" is working but not supported?12:33
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tbarronIdoKaplan: cifs access rules won't work for those back ends but it works for others, see the "User" column at https://docs.openstack.org/manila/queens/admin/share_back_ends_feature_support_mapping.html#mapping-of-share-drivers-and-share-access-rules-support12:50
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tbarronweekly manila meeting ...15:00
* bswartz notices tbarron fixed his clock15:01
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openstackgerritCiara Stacke proposed openstack/manila master: VMAX driver - Implement IPv6 support for Dell EMC VMAX driver  https://review.openstack.org/56093715:13
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* ganso is heading out to lunch16:01
gouthamrganso: bon apetit16:01
amitoganso: anything good?16:01
vgreenganso: bring me back something? thanks16:02
tbarronbswartz: zhongjun_ if aws is doing it then maybe we should too, let me digest that.16:02
amitogouthamr tbarron: going to check if there's any pizza left, be back soon to continue the discussion :)16:02
tbarronbswartz: zhongjun_ but on the other hand "more specific wins" semantics has a long heritage16:03
zhongjun_It looks like aws didn't doing that16:03
tbarronamito: when you get back let's talk about so-called denies16:03
bswartzAWS seems to use security groups to control access16:03
tbarronzhongjun_: bswartz ah16:03
zhongjun_tbarron: AWS is different with us16:04
tbarronbswartz: do the security groups have CIDRs in them?>16:04
bswartzSecurity groups are a first class concept in AWS I think16:04
tbarronbswartz: do they have any "contains" relationship?16:05
tbarronif not, then they aren't a precedent for us I guess16:05
bswartzNot sure -- I'm not a heavy AWS user16:05
tbarronme either :)16:05
* tbarron has actually never used EFS16:06
zhongjun_We don''t care about other cloud how to doing, only care about AWS? :)16:08
gouthamrwut, we don't care about AWS16:08
amitotbarron: back.16:08
tbarronzhongjun_: of course we care about ali baba etc. too16:09
amitoso... denies16:09
tbarronamito: it's too bad we use the word 'deny' for these.  They just delete a rule.16:10
tbarronWe don't insert a deny rule.16:10
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gouthamrthis has history, bswartz explained it to me once16:10
zhongjun_tbarron: Do we vote for it or just continue to do it and waiting for review comments about priority?16:10
amitoI see, so a "deny" rule can only come for an existing "allow" rule?16:10
tbarronzhongjun_: stay on track with your spec; we need to understand the proposal well to evaluate it versus alternatives.16:11
gouthamryep, we assume absolutely no-one has access at the very beginning and only rules that manila knows about are implemented16:11
tbarronzhongjun_: what I'd ask you to consider though is if there would be any disadvantage to saying that the semantics for manila is that "more specific wins"16:11
tbarronIt seems to me clear semantics.16:12
amitoHowever, you can "allow" 10.0.0.0/32 and then "deny" only part of that subnet, no?16:12
tbarronBack ends that implement "first match" would need to sort so that more specific rules are first.16:12
tbarronIt would eliminate the user error cases where more general rules are given higher priority than more specific rules.16:13
tbarronI'm not convinced that having more general rules with higher priority than more specific rules has any actual use.16:13
tbarronamito: conceptually yes but in manila no16:13
tbarronamito: your back end might be able to do that but manila doesn't support it16:14
tbarronamito: in manila 'deny' means 'delete'16:14
tbarronamito: I don't like it :(16:14
zhongjun_amito:  you can "allow" 10.0.0.0/32  and if the 10.0.0.0/32  exist in the access rules, it will work even if the subnet has been "deny"16:14
tbarronzhongjun_: amito right, because the 'deny' deleted the rule and the allow put it back16:15
tbarronso with the "more specific wins" semantics we still have to spell out that "deny" just means delete and doesn't do  anything unless there's already a matchiing rule16:16
amitotbarron: so if I understand correctly, there is indeed no need to prioritize 'deny' rules16:16
tbarronamito: that's what I think given that it means 'delete'; zhongjun_ do you agree?16:16
* tbarron wonders if we should microversion an api change that replaces 'deny' with 'delete' ...16:17
* gouthamr wonders if tbarron's fishing for an easy way to start a war16:18
zhongjun_tbarron: yeah, I agree with that16:18
tbarrongouthamr: unfort that's too easy in the world but we're all friends here16:18
zhongjun_If we add prioritize in 'deny' rules, it cloud let user more confuse16:19
tbarronzhongjun_: I agree.  So please think about the semantics I suggested w/o any priorities or order semantics and see if it has flaws.16:20
amitotbarron: why is there no actualy 'deny'? I see the various issues with implementing it, but I guess some backends support it, and some backends support allowing access to shares for IP ranges (rather than for subnets) so existing rules can be split if part of a subnet is 'denied'. It can be an attribute added to the driver (deny_support=True/False).16:20
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amitolong day :|16:21
tbarronThe main drawback I can think of is that it will force backends that process by first match to sort most specific first16:21
tbarronamito: I don't know the history.  I'm guessing bswartz is at lunch (I'm going to do that myself in a bit) but he can16:22
tbarronamito: probably explain how we got to where we are today on this.16:22
amitotbarron: ok, thanks. Enjoy lunch, I think I'll head home since it's getting late here.16:22
tbarronamito: if you want drivers to advertise that capability it's a new spec :)16:22
tbarronamito: yeah, and zhongjun_ it's really late for you I know.  Thank you for your work on16:23
tbarronzhongjun_: on this and for your patience with ideas that weren't brought up at PTG.16:23
tbarronzhongjun_: because we didn't think of them at the time.16:23
amito+116:24
zhongjun_tbarron:  thank you for your patience with keep thinking my spec16:25
zhongjun_tbarron: see you16:25
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tbarronzhongjun_: see you tomorrow, get some rest16:26
zhongjun_tbarron: good night16:26
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bswartzI've always disliked the "allow/deny" verbs for access rules, but they were decided early on and we never changed them for backward compatibility reasons16:41
bswartzadd-rule and delete-rule would be better16:42
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openstackgerritSimon Dodsley proposed openstack/manila master: Add basic driver for Pure Storage FlashBlade array.  https://review.openstack.org/54777820:33
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openstackgerritSimon Dodsley proposed openstack/manila master: Add basic driver for Pure Storage FlashBlade array.  https://review.openstack.org/54777821:01
tbarronbswartz: what do you think about migrating gently to add-rule and delete-rule?21:05
tbarronbswartz: use microversions and bump first to aliases with deprecation notice21:05
tbarronbswartz: then a later bump to remove the old usage?21:05
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openstackgerritSimon Dodsley proposed openstack/manila master: Add basic driver for Pure Storage FlashBlade array.  https://review.openstack.org/54777822:05
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