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| openstackgerrit | zhongshengping proposed openstack/puppet-manila: Fix common options position and remove unused parameters https://review.openstack.org/394704 | 00:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/manila-specs: Manila db purge utility https://review.openstack.org/392406 | 01:02 |
| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/manila-specs: Manila db purge utility https://review.openstack.org/392406 | 01:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pony Chou proposed openstack/manila: Add QNAP Manila Driver https://review.openstack.org/394703 | 08:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pony Chou proposed openstack/manila: Add QNAP Manila Driver https://review.openstack.org/394703 | 10:04 |
| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/manila-specs: Add spec for enable IPv6 in manila https://review.openstack.org/362786 | 10:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Mellado proposed openstack/manila: Duplicate remote_client into Manila https://review.openstack.org/396067 | 10:13 |
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| TommyLikeHu | anyone would like to review this feature specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392406/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390052/ | 10:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marc Koderer proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Fix misleading help text https://review.openstack.org/396100 | 10:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Zhuang proposed openstack/manila: Add "update_access" interface support for VNX. https://review.openstack.org/395404 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Provaznik proposed openstack/manila: Check ceph backend connection on driver setup https://review.openstack.org/394961 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Jan Provaznik proposed openstack/manila: Check ceph backend connection on driver setup https://review.openstack.org/394961 | 10:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tiago Pasqualini da Silva proposed openstack/manila: Fix share manage tempest test cleanup https://review.openstack.org/394388 | 11:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/puppet-manila: Deprecate rabbitmq connection parameters https://review.openstack.org/395151 | 13:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mauricio Lima proposed openstack/manila-specs: Spec for openstack client support https://review.openstack.org/395775 | 13:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/manila: DO NOT MERGE https://review.openstack.org/352606 | 14:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila-specs: Add spec for Manila share groups https://review.openstack.org/315730 | 14:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila-specs: Add spec for Manila share groups https://review.openstack.org/315730 | 14:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Mellado proposed openstack/manila: Add testscenario to test-requirements https://review.openstack.org/396146 | 14:42 |
| tbarron | dmellado: great! is this at root a bug in oslo.db ? | 14:43 |
| dmellado | tbarron: that's what I'm trying to figure out | 14:43 |
| tbarron | dmellado: +1 | 14:44 |
| dmellado | installing oslo.db on its own seems to work for me | 14:44 |
| dmellado | so now I'm checking for more cross-dependencies issues | 14:44 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | ping ganso | 14:44 |
| cknight | toabctl, markstur: Six +2's so far on the snapshot revert spec (which we've all reviewed in Newton). Any further feedback on it? | 14:47 |
| toabctl | cknight, I'm fine with merging it | 14:47 |
| cknight | toabctl: great, thanks | 14:48 |
| cknight | toabctl: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391269/6 | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/manila-specs: Manila db purge utility https://review.openstack.org/392406 | 14:48 |
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| toabctl | cknight, is that -1 valid? or just a levftover from somebody? | 14:49 |
| * toabctl needs to read the backlog... | 14:49 | |
| cknight | toabctl: It's a new -1, but I don't feel the comments require any changes. I've answered each of them. | 14:49 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | does anyone have time to review this spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390052/ | 14:50 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | maybe after the meeting | 14:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Ben Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila-specs: Eliminate Race Conditions Spec https://review.openstack.org/396255 | 14:51 |
| cknight | TommyLikeHu_: It's less an issue of time and more an issue of interest. Our current quota system is fundamentally flawed, and there isn't much enthusiasm for adding to it. | 14:52 |
| cknight | TommyLikeHu_: Add it to the meeting agenda if you feel it needs further discussion. | 14:53 |
| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: pong | 14:53 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | we do have the spec topic today, right? | 14:53 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | hey ganso, I updated the spec on db purge | 14:53 |
| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings yes | 14:54 |
| cknight | TommyLikeHu_: yes. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 14:54 |
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| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: thanks, gonna take a look | 14:54 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | cool~ | 14:54 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | cknight, what do you mean Our current quota system is fundamentallly flawed> | 14:55 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | ? | 14:55 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | it's only manila or other compontents included? | 14:55 |
| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: I still do not agree with the current approach for db purge | 14:56 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | sure, for which one? | 14:56 |
| cknight | TommyLikeHu_: Ask tbarron. Quotas often get out of sync with reality. A complete redesign is needed. | 14:56 |
| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: the one that you specify the amount of days prior to NOW to delete | 14:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila-specs: Add spec for Manila share groups https://review.openstack.org/315730 | 14:57 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | yes, I talked with tom barron, he said it's ok about this one | 14:57 |
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| tbarron | cknight: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390052/ doesn't really extend the current quota system, it just extends cli/ui to report on stuff that is currently not exposed | 14:57 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | maybe I did not express the intention well | 14:57 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | what do you get from this expression here? | 14:58 |
| cknight | tbarron: I understand, but getting users hooked on that will be a disservice if the quota system is rewritten. | 14:58 |
| tbarron | cknight: not sure I agree, this change will make it easier to see when the system is out of sync, etc. | 14:59 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | cknight, if we wanna rewrite the base or the skeleton | 14:59 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | we still need add this spec | 14:59 |
| tbarron | cknight: w/o this change it is harder to tell when you are broken | 14:59 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | this feature | 14:59 |
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| tbarron | cknight: and it's really just cli (and potentially ui), we aren't extending the underlying infra | 15:00 |
| cknight | tbarron: ok, I'll review to understand what is being proposed | 15:00 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | cknight, thanks | 15:00 |
| tbarron | cknight: thanks. I started out wanting to torpedo for just the reasons you expressed :) | 15:00 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | meeting started? | 15:01 |
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| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: yes | 15:01 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | ganso:I see nothing on my irc channel | 15:02 |
| ganso | TommyLikeHu_: #openstack-meeting-alt | 15:03 |
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| tpsilva | cknight: ping | 16:00 |
| cknight | tpsilva: pong | 16:00 |
| tpsilva | cknight: Hello Clinton | 16:00 |
| tbarron | erlon-airlong: over here | 16:01 |
| cknight | tpsilva: Hi, Tiago. What's up? | 16:01 |
| tpsilva | cknight: can we discuss the mountable snapshots for a minute? | 16:01 |
| erlon-airlong | cknight: tbarron, tbarron: hey | 16:01 |
| tbarron | TommyLikeHu_: zhonghua-lee ^^^ | 16:01 |
| cknight | tpsilva: sure | 16:01 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | yep~ | 16:01 |
| erlon-airlong | cknight: put me in the queue | 16:01 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | tbarron: zhonghua-lee is away right noew | 16:02 |
| cknight | erlon-airlong: :-) | 16:02 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | s/noew/now | 16:02 |
| tpsilva | cknight: so, my main motivation to have a different set of rules for the snapshots is to allow different systems or users that do not originally have access to it, for instance, I can see scenarios where an administrator would not originally have access to the share, but might want to mount the snapshot | 16:02 |
| cknight | tpsilva: Yep, understood. | 16:03 |
| tpsilva | cknight: or even some external systems, even manila-data | 16:03 |
| cknight | tpsilva: And no argument. I just wanted that use case described in the spec. | 16:03 |
| tpsilva | cknight: ah ok | 16:03 |
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| tpsilva | cknight: I thought you would want to propose some modification to the original proposal | 16:04 |
| tpsilva | cknight: but ok, I can add that to the spec | 16:04 |
| cknight | tpsilva: Nope, I was looking for a paragraph in "use cases" that describes a use case that requires separate access rules. | 16:04 |
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| cknight | tpsilva: So anyone else reading the spec would understand why the extra complexity is warranted. | 16:05 |
| tpsilva | cknight: understood, just for clarity | 16:05 |
| tpsilva | cknight: ok, I'll add that to the spec... thank you! | 16:05 |
| cknight | tpsilva: np, thanks! | 16:06 |
| tbarron | erlon-airlong: on the cinder spec you asked questions about why snapshot-id is needed. manila spec says why. | 16:06 |
| tbarron | TommyLikeHu_: ^^ | 16:07 |
| erlon-airlong | tbarron: hmmm, yeah, I saw that today, seems reasonable | 16:07 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | tbarron: I will modify the api in cinder's spec | 16:08 |
| cknight | TommyLikeHu_: great, thanks | 16:08 |
| erlon-airlong | tbarron: I hadn't tough about that case, Im talking with Tommy to make all features be as similar as possible | 16:08 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | sure | 16:08 |
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| erlon-airlong | cknight: about the extend, I mentioned because in Cinder we have a but related to extend that does not go trough the scheduler | 16:09 |
| erlon-airlong | cknight: the one in the like I posted | 16:09 |
| tbarron | erlon-airlong: TommyLikeHu_ thanks much!! | 16:09 |
| cknight | erlon-airlong: reading the bug now… | 16:09 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | cknight: much appreciated if you have time to review this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390052/ and please leave any comments you come to | 16:11 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | bswartz: I have some questions on your comments on ipv6 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362786/, and these all needs your confirm | 16:19 |
| tbarron | bswartz: vponomaryov https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396146/ unblocks our gate | 16:26 |
| tbarron | bswartz: vponomaryov see https://review.openstack.org/352606 for the current failure | 16:29 |
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| TommyLikeHu_ | ping cknight | 16:35 |
| tbarron | bswartz: xyang_ toabctl ganso vponomaryov markstur vponomaryov should either get spec-review focus or get pushed to pike IMO | 16:39 |
| tbarron | ^^^ openstack client proposal for manila, reflects our APIs ... | 16:40 |
| ganso | tbarron: I'm sorry, which proposal? | 16:41 |
| tbarron | ganso: woops :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395775/2/specs/ocata/manila-support-in-python-openstackclient | 16:42 |
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| ganso | tbarron: last time we discussed this, at BCN, IIRC we were against it... but I guess this is an unstoppable force | 16:49 |
| tbarron | ganso: well, I think it will happen eventually, but we can influence the pace and requirements - e.g., still allow standalone deployment of manila somehow. | 16:51 |
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| tbarron | ganso: but even if that's right, a -2 for now from PTL might be part of getting that goal met | 16:52 |
| ganso | tbarron: must be a proper reason for a -2 | 16:52 |
| tbarron | ganso: define "proper reason" - I think it could be that this change is not in scope for ocata | 16:53 |
| tbarron | ganso: or maybe I'm confused | 16:53 |
| ganso | tbarron: in this case we could just not merge it | 16:53 |
| tbarron | ganso: right | 16:53 |
| tbarron | ganso: just seems like something we should decide together, not piecemeal, i.e. if we really don't want to merge it we don't want it to somehow get a couple of plus-2s and workflow | 16:55 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes | 16:56 |
| ganso | tbarron: we should discuss this | 16:56 |
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| cknight | TommyLikeHu_: pong | 17:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Add testscenario to test-requirements https://review.openstack.org/396146 | 17:45 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: I have no problems with OSC supporting manila -- in fact I encourage it | 18:10 |
| tbarron | bswartz: me either, but I'm not sure we're ready for that work for ocata | 18:11 |
| bswartz | the only thing I take issue with is if they expect us to maintain the integration or deprecate python-manilaclient or change our APIs in any way | 18:11 |
| tbarron | bswartz: it's a matter of focus | 18:11 |
| bswartz | it shouldn't distract us from things we care about as long as they don't as for those 3 things I mentioned | 18:12 |
| bswartz | ask | 18:12 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I'd like python-manilaclient core code to be used as a plugin for osc client, so that they differ only in the shell facing the user | 18:12 |
| bswartz | tbarron: yes the ideal outcome for both teams is if the client code can be somehow shared | 18:13 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that way standalone manila is still possible | 18:13 |
| bswartz | I suspect that doing that is a lot of work though because they're going to expect us to conform to them rather than the other way around | 18:13 |
| bswartz | in that case I'd prefer to postpone the work | 18:14 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that's why I don't think it's appropriate for our focus for ocata | 18:14 |
| bswartz | agreed | 18:14 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: if I'm wrong and external labor can solve that problem with manila - perhaps choosing it as a young and less messy project to pioneer with -- then I would change my opinion. | 18:14 |
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| tbarron | even then, we can't have de-stabiliztion of the client past feature freeze, etc | 18:15 |
| bswartz | tbarron: early indications are that they have a bunch of rules they're not flexible about so there will be many impedance mismatches if we try to share code | 18:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: and I'm not opposed to our client code being re-enginnered to conform so that code can be shared, I just don't think we have time for it, nor does it fit with a short release cycle and focus on finishing already-started feature work and retiring tech debt | 18:17 |
| tbarron | bswartz: if a team wants to *begin* work on that now, including beginning the spec with an expecation of landing it in pike, that makes a lot of sense to me | 18:18 |
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| bswartz | again, as long as it doesn't create distractions | 18:18 |
| bswartz | the whole microversions thing in OSC left a bad taste in my mouth | 18:18 |
| tbarron | i didn't really follow that, but clearly osc has to support microversions across manila, nova, cinder, etc. or it will fail | 18:20 |
| bswartz | right | 18:20 |
| bswartz | they pushed us to change our microversion design to match them because they didn't want to special case manila | 18:20 |
| bswartz | I told them no | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila-specs: Add spec for Data Jobs table https://review.openstack.org/392262 | 18:21 |
| tbarron | the cross-component semantic issues are the hard part, not superficial syntax conformity. The latter is valuable of course to end users - I'm not poo-pooing it - but it doesn't really work unless one deals with the harder former issues. | 18:21 |
| bswartz | tbarron: more importantly you can't change it without breaking backward compatibility and defeating the whole point of microversions | 18:22 |
| tbarron | quotas across compoenents are another area where the semantics vary and the differences are glossed over by superficial regularization of syntax in osc | 18:23 |
| tbarron | yeah, agree | 18:23 |
| * bswartz resists starting a #dieoscdie twitter war | 18:23 | |
| tbarron | which argues for allowing some degree of semantic difference in compoenents in osc, and perhaps again use of compoentnt client plugins by osc | 18:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila-specs: Add spec for Share Migration Ocata improvements https://review.openstack.org/392291 | 18:25 |
| bswartz | I admire what OSC is trying to do -- I just think it's an impossible task given the structure of the community | 18:26 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: I admire it too, don't want to say it's impossible, but don't want it to be *our* focus for ocata. | 18:30 |
| ganso | bswartz, tbarron, toabctl, cknight, markstur: Could you please review this patch that is waiting to merge to be backported when you have some time? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393271 Thanks in advance | 18:30 |
| bswartz | ganso: APIImact and backport? | 18:31 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I'm making the argument that it's impossible unless we change something -- I alluded to this in my run for TC | 18:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: it adds an additional value for task_state | 18:32 |
| bswartz | ganso: so no chance of breakage of existing newton users? | 18:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: it may affect adm existing scrips, but not break | 18:33 |
| ganso | bswartz: like, scripts may be expecting to see "migration_success" after issuing migration-complete. Right now it goes from "migration_driver_phase1_done" to "migration_success" directly. With that patch, it transitions to "migration_completing" before. It is now more consistent with host-assisted and will behave the same way, so better scripts for admins as | 18:36 |
| ganso | well | 18:36 |
| ganso | bswartz: thanks! | 18:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Fix missing 'migration_completing' task state https://review.openstack.org/393271 | 19:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila-specs: Eliminate Race Conditions Spec https://review.openstack.org/396255 | 21:13 |
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