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| vponomaryov | dencaval: looks like your endpoints are messed up | 08:02 |
| vponomaryov | dencaval: if you really used manilaclient, then it meant it talked to Cinder server | 08:03 |
| vponomaryov | s/meant/means/ | 08:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [ZFSonLinux] Run scenario tests in addition to functional https://review.openstack.org/374581 | 09:40 |
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| rraja | mkoderer: hi! does the goal stated here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila_no_tempest_deps require any clarification? as in, you want to remove dependencies only on the unstable tempest interfaces, right? | 12:53 |
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| dmellado | rraja that's basically it | 14:07 |
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| tinwood | Hi, is there anyone around I can talk to about networking, the generic driver, plugins and manila? A bit confused over what to configure. Thanks. | 16:22 |
| tinwood | As background, I work for Canonical and I'm charming up the Manila service. | 16:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Avoid Forcing the Translation of Translatable Variables https://review.openstack.org/378446 | 16:24 |
| bswartz | tinwood: there's a lot of config options and different sections | 16:34 |
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| bswartz | tinwood: I'm not sure what charms look like but they if they're at all similar to puppet modules it probably won't be that hard to make them for manila | 16:35 |
| tinwood | bswartz, yes. But it's all quite confusing (to me) at the moment. I'm trying to configure the generic driver; in this situation do I definitely need a network plugin? And will it configure OVS to join to the instance-server (that I assume) will be launched in the tenant's network -- or will I need to do something else? | 16:36 |
| bswartz | oh you're talking about testing | 16:38 |
| bswartz | no the generic driver doesn't use a network plugin | 16:39 |
| bswartz | it is an exception to the rule because is handles networking itself | 16:39 |
| tinwood | bswartz, oh; is the generic driver not for general usage at all? | 16:40 |
| bswartz | tinwood: it is, but it's special because it uses nova, and is limited to whatever kind of networking nova is configured with | 16:40 |
| tinwood | bswartz, ah - I'd missed that. | 16:41 |
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| bswartz | the network plugins are intended to give flexibility to administrators using drivers that support share servers | 16:41 |
| bswartz | we support deployment scenarios with nova neutron and without nova and neutron (and at one time we also supported nova-network) | 16:41 |
| tinwood | bswartz, so hypothetically, say take the gluster driver? Would that use the the network plugins? (still trying to get a handle on this). | 16:42 |
| tinwood | bswartz, so the error I ran into was to do with the generic driver looking for br-int which wasn't/isn't configured on the manila instance that I was configuring -- which is why I ended up here! :) | 16:43 |
| bswartz | In manila there are broadly two classes of drivers -- drivers that support share servers and drivers that don't | 16:43 |
| bswartz | some drivers allow you to choose either mode | 16:43 |
| bswartz | network plugins only matter when you're using share servers | 16:43 |
| bswartz | glusterfs IIRC is one that doesn't support share servers and therefore wouldn't use a network plugin | 16:43 |
| tinwood | and a share server is say, a NetApp appliance? | 16:43 |
| bswartz | unfortunately no -- the term may be confusing | 16:44 |
| bswartz | a share server is a virtual server created by manila for a single tenant | 16:44 |
| tinwood | ah, as a CIFS or NFS server? | 16:44 |
| bswartz | all drivers require some sort of storage infrastructure, whether hardware or software | 16:44 |
| bswartz | but share servers are virtual instances created for different tenants, and not all drivers are able to create those | 16:45 |
| bswartz | that's why we separate the two types of drivers | 16:45 |
| bswartz | the main advantage to no-share-servers is that it's way easier to configure because there's no networking to deal with | 16:46 |
| tinwood | with the 'driver_handles_share_servers' option. | 16:46 |
| bswartz | yes | 16:46 |
| tinwood | and what does 'connect_share_server_to_tenant_network' imply? -- doing something in neutron from a network driver? | 16:47 |
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| tinwood | Okay, that's great. just coming back to the generic driver? What does it expect to be set up on the machine that the manila-share service runs on? | 16:48 |
| tinwood | In terms of networking. | 16:48 |
| bswartz | yes for the some cases, manila is responsible for connecting the share server it creates to the tenants network, and the network plugin is part of that | 16:49 |
| bswartz | the generic driver has 2 special restrictions -- it doesn't use a network plugin because it uses neutron always -- and you must run the manila-share service with the generic driver on a machine with a neutron l3 agent | 16:50 |
| bswartz | tinwood: if you're interested in getting a simple environment up and running quickly, you will have faster success with the LVM driver | 16:51 |
| bswartz | the generic driver is fully supported, it's just more work to configure | 16:51 |
| tinwood | bswartz, right: so it needs the l3 agent on the machine. I'll take a peek at the LVM, but I'm so close with the generic driver that it would be a shame to abandon it now! | 16:52 |
| bswartz | k | 16:53 |
| tinwood | bswartz, what's your team's recommendation around the generic driver? e.g. what we'd really like to use is CephFS; how do you feel about that. | 16:53 |
| tinwood | (I worked with the generic driver as it looked like a "doesn't require other systems", so was a sensible default). | 16:53 |
| bswartz | cephfs is relatively new, and IIRC only supports the ceph protocol at this time (not NFS) | 16:54 |
| bswartz | one of you redhat guys correct me if I'm wrong about that | 16:55 |
| bswartz | There are several software drivers that don't require other systems: generic, lvm, container, and zfs | 16:55 |
| bswartz | container is new and I wouldn't recommend it yet | 16:56 |
| tinwood | bswartz, thanks very much; you've been very helpful. I'll keep poking at it and let you know how I got on. | 16:57 |
| tbarron | tinwood: currently cephfs driver serves up cephfs shares to compute instances running e.g. ceph-fuse ; nfs from cephfs backend is a future | 16:57 |
| tinwood | tbarron, yes, I saw that you'd need to 'mount' the cephfs using ceph in the tenant; it seems like this is one for ocata. Looks very interesting though. | 16:58 |
| tbarron | tinwood: yeah, the tenant/client just needs a little bit of ceph though :) | 17:02 |
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| bswartz | dmellado, mkoderer: are either of you interested in leading a session about tempest/manila at the design summit? | 17:51 |
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