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| vponomaryov | bswartz: "install-packages" does not accept "--no-install-recommends", but as far as I can see, neither of recommended or suggested packages are installed. You can see it in job results - http://logs.openstack.org/70/321570/4/check/gate-manila-buildimage-generic/e74ad26/console.html#_2016-05-31_16_57_53_589 | 09:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | liucheng proposed openstack/manila: Huawei: Add manage share snapshot in Huawei driver https://review.openstack.org/323777 | 10:16 |
| openstackgerrit | liucheng proposed openstack/manila: Huawei: Add manage share snapshot in Huawei driver https://review.openstack.org/322001 | 10:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Gonzalez Nothnagel proposed openstack/manila: Migrate API reference into tree https://review.openstack.org/313874 | 10:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [DEBUG] do not merge https://review.openstack.org/323302 | 10:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Marc Koderer proposed openstack/manila: Use oslo IntOpt function instead of explicit check https://review.openstack.org/323796 | 11:13 |
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| mkoderer | tbarron: which timezone are you un? | 12:28 |
| mkoderer | s/un/in/ | 12:28 |
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| tbarron | mkoderer: I'm UTC-5 | 12:33 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: ping | 13:13 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: pong | 13:13 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: hi! just a quick clarification regarding: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323547/2/manila/api/views/share_snapshots.py | 13:13 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i *had* to make that change for user_id and project_id to be shown to users.. | 13:14 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: are you against the change, or against the change in the same patch? :) | 13:14 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: you hadn't | 13:14 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: you use user_id and project_id from snapshot object | 13:15 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: and I against as it is completely redundant | 13:15 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i do have them from the snapshot object.. but taje a look at the base version.. | 13:15 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: update_versioned_resource_dict is being called only if admin | 13:15 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i brought this up in the review of snapshot_manage, but it was decided not to worry about it then.. | 13:16 |
| gouthamr | s/taje/take | 13:16 |
| mkoderer | gouthamr: btw I managed to make the race reproducible https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1587835 | 13:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1587835 in Manila "Race during share server termination (auto cleanup)" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Marc Koderer (m-koderer) | 13:17 |
| mkoderer | gouthamr: so basically akerr was right | 13:17 |
| gouthamr | mkoderer: nice.. yes.. i agree with vponomaryov, we could deprecate one of the options and use them mutually exclusively for now.. | 13:18 |
| * tbarron notes this exceptional day on his calendar :-) | 13:19 | |
| gouthamr | mkoderer: option deprecation is a pain, but this is a valid use case :) | 13:19 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i know what you mean :D | 13:19 |
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| * tbarron realizes akerr isn't on so it's no fun^w fair | 13:20 | |
| gouthamr | haha | 13:20 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: pain is to update half of the project just because of small thing as in case of gouthamr | 13:20 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: lol | 13:21 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: debugging threading issues in python is also a pain | 13:22 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i'll split the patch, i want to update half the project :) | 13:22 |
| mkoderer | gouthamr: happy rebasing | 13:22 |
| gouthamr | :) | 13:23 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: you can update "versioned_method" to support new attr (is_admin) | 13:23 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: and just update that one admin-only method | 13:24 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: to have appropriate new attr set | 13:24 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i'll try that | 13:24 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: thank you very much =) | 13:24 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: and have default value "None" that means "run for all". Custom values: "True" for "admins" and "False" for "users". | 13:26 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: thank you! | 13:41 |
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| wasserman | good day all. would someone be willing to tell me which manila services need to run on an instance in order to mount an HDFS share to the local filesystem and the process for going so? | 14:02 |
| wasserman | share is defined on the server and I have an export location. just not sure about the client setup. | 14:02 |
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| zhongjun_ | vponomaryov: bswartz: hi, Does manila have a plan to add a feature that one share can support multi protocol. or discussed it earlier? | 15:21 |
| zhongjun_ | vponomaryov: bswartz: A customer want to use one share with multi protocol, when he crate a share, he want to use the share in his linux system and also use same share in windows system. | 15:22 |
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| vponomaryov | zhongjun_: if we have back-ends that can support, then I don't see reason to not implement it | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | zhongjun_: and we do not have plan for it, as far as I know | 15:26 |
| zhongjun_ | vponomaryov: so we also not discussed it earlier? | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | zhongjun_: I, personally remember only some private talks, but not official on summits | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | or meetups | 15:27 |
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| zhongjun_ | vponomaryov: I see. I only know my back-end can support it. I'm not sure whether other backend support. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: that's something we considered in the past and rejected (the CIFS+NFS case) | 15:33 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: in Tokyo the idea to do Ceph+NFS was proposed and we agreed to consider it but no decision was made | 15:34 |
| tbarron | are the reasons not to do it labor and priorities, or something more fundamental? | 15:34 |
| bswartz | so it's on the table and there is clear value, but there are also downsides that have to be considered | 15:34 |
| bswartz | tbarron: the problem is that it reduces the opaqueness of the Manila "share" abstraction and lets more backend-specific-ness bleed through | 15:35 |
| tbarron | cause on the face of it coupling access protocaol and filesystem isn't correct | 15:35 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: why do we rejected it? | 15:36 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: originally we rejected the idea because we knew that there was no way to define a common standard for the NFS/CIFS metadata mappings that must happen on the backend | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | we believed that if we stuck to pure NFS or pure CIFS that manila would be more backend-neutral | 15:38 |
| bswartz | over time it's become clear that that's no necessarily what people want, so we can reconsider it | 15:38 |
| bswartz | s/no /not / | 15:38 |
| bswartz | but the challenge we'll have to deal with is that if we allow multiprotocol access to shares then we need to define how metadata is handled across the protocols | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: what "metadata" do you mean? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | mode bits, owners, NFSv4 ACLs and CIFS ACLs | 15:40 |
| bswartz | when I do "chown bswartz" on a file on a NFS share, what happens to the owner of that file on the CIFS side? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | it's not as obvious as you might thinl | 15:41 |
| bswartz | think | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is back-end specific, and if it is known for driver maintainer what to do, what is the problem then? | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: the problem is that users can not depend on any kind of reliable behavior unless they know what the backend is -- and users ideally should not know what the backend is | 15:42 |
| zhongjun_ | But now there is a customer need use this feature, Does we need to rejudge it again? and find a better way to resolve it? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: we should definitely reconsider it | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I'm just laying out the arguments against that I already know about | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: case of private cloud is different, users there can know backend without any harm | 15:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Gonzalez Nothnagel proposed openstack/manila: Allow devstack plugins in contrib folder https://review.openstack.org/323837 | 15:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Gonzalez Nothnagel proposed openstack/manila: Add networking-manila to contrib https://review.openstack.org/323838 | 15:46 |
| xyang | cknight1: hi, do you know what is reason for not do versioning on extension APIs? | 15:48 |
| cknight1 | xyang: not really, no. | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | xyang: where did you find "extension API" in Manila? | 15:49 |
| xyang | cknight1: so why did we move all apis from extensions to core? I thought that was because we want to apply microversion | 15:49 |
| bswartz | xyang: before we had microversions it was not possible to version extensions -- we removed extensions for that reason | 15:49 |
| xyang | vponomaryov: not in manila any more | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | ok ) | 15:50 |
| xyang | vponomaryov: a cinder question but related to manila’s history | 15:50 |
| cknight1 | xyang: there was v1 and v2 and extensions, so no good way to have an extension in v1 or v2 | 15:50 |
| bswartz | we could have microversioned them but we decided it was better to not even them as extensions | 15:50 |
| bswartz | every "extension" in Manila was actually core functionality | 15:50 |
| xyang | bswartz, cknight1: trying to figure what to do with cinder extensions as we are not going to move all of them out | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | xyang: why? it is fun! =) | 15:51 |
| bswartz | it should be possible to microversion an extension -- if you want to keep it as an extension | 15:51 |
| cknight1 | xyang: hire vponomaryov. he'll do it in a week. | 15:51 |
| xyang | vponomaryov: can you start submitting patches to move them? :) | 15:51 |
| xyang | cknight1: yes:) | 15:52 |
| bswartz | microversions also give you a path to move away from extensions towards core APIs in a safe way | 15:52 |
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| xyang | bswartz: why don’t you think it is safe to microversion extension API? | 15:53 |
| bswartz | xyang: that's not what I said | 15:53 |
| bswartz | it _is_ safe to microversion extension APIs | 15:53 |
| xyang | bswartz: ok:) | 15:53 |
| bswartz | before microversions, it was not possible to use major versions on extensions -- that was a big problem | 15:53 |
| bswartz | again, our reasoning for removing extensions was because they shouldn't have been extensions, not because of anything about versioning | 15:54 |
| bswartz | we used the microversions feature to remove the extensions in such a way that backwards and forward compatibilty was preserved | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | on API layer but not enable/disable | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | it in general | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | everything became enabled always | 15:56 |
| xyang | bswartz: I think one important reason is that all APIs previously in extensions are considerted core features in Manila as well, right | 15:56 |
| bswartz | yes | 15:56 |
| xyang | bswartz: that is the difference with Cinder | 15:56 |
| bswartz | basic things like share_types were implemented as extensions | 15:56 |
| bswartz | IIRC cinder has volume_types as an extension API.... o_O | 15:57 |
| xyang | once we apply microversion on an API, does that mean we can never deprecate it? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | not at all | 15:57 |
| bswartz | once you apply microversions to an API, you have to preserve the behavior of the API at the lowest micoversion that that version of Cinder supports | 15:58 |
| bswartz | in theory, whole microversions can be deprecated eventually | 15:58 |
| bswartz | so some day, the lowest API version that cinder supports might be 3.17 (for example) | 15:59 |
| xyang | Give you an example, someone is making changes on CG API in cinder. It is an extension API. If we apply microversion, it will be 3.6. So if we drop support for that, it means everything lower than 3.6 will also be dropped? | 16:01 |
| bswartz | drop support for what? the API or the microversion? | 16:02 |
| xyang | bswartz: drop support for 3.6 | 16:02 |
| bswartz | the way you deprecate/remove APIs once you have microversions is by raising the lowest supported microversion | 16:02 |
| bswartz | so yes, once the lowest microversion that cinder supports is 3.7 or higher, any code related to the 3.6 microversion can be removed | 16:03 |
| bswartz | xyang: the reason I say "in theory" is because we haven't actually raised the lowest microversion above 2.0 before -- there are some in the community who think that dropping support for any API should be forbidden | 16:07 |
| xyang | bswartz: ok, thanks | 16:08 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: Oh, thanks for telling me the arguments against. ok, next, I should think about the implementation details. Hope we could find a better way to support this(multi protocol). | 16:08 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: yeah I think it certainly makes sense in a private cloud environment to allow multiprotocol because users there will likely know what backend they have | 16:09 |
| bswartz | the question is how we can do that without damaging the user experience in more public cloud use cases | 16:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [Tempest] Add valuable tags to tests https://review.openstack.org/324006 | 16:27 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: ^ can be reviewed, main idea is ready | 16:30 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: approach for filtering tests using tags is to use regex in tox command, it is current approach used in tempest | 16:31 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: neither the commit message nor the new code in tests/api/base.py explains which tag actually means what thing | 16:32 |
| bswartz | also why use constants? it seems like raw strings were preferred in the past | 16:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: to avoid nits that will lead to "not running" | 16:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: and nobody will know that something was not tested | 16:33 |
| bswartz | you're worried about typos in the tags? | 16:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Csaba Henk proposed openstack/manila: glusterfs: Implement update_access() method https://review.openstack.org/291151 | 16:34 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: having tons of them? yes! | 16:34 |
| bswartz | well there are other ways to address typos -- hacking checks for example | 16:34 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: yes, How to define a common standard for the NFS/CIFS metadata mappings with allow multiprotocol in public cloud is need to be considered. sorry, I need to go to sleep, see you next day. | 16:34 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: the old way with raw strings looks more readable to me | 16:35 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: goodnight! | 16:35 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: tags are not obfuscated | 16:35 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: they just vars now | 16:35 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, cannot agree | 16:36 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: also ,I plan to add some devdoc describing such things | 16:36 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: how to run tests with different filters | 16:37 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: what the goal of tags | 16:37 |
| vponomaryov | etc | 16:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/manila-specs: [WIP] Share network improvements in newton https://review.openstack.org/323646 | 17:43 |
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| gouthamr | markstur: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/37/322837/3/check/gate-manila-releasenotes/266f89d//releasenotes/build/html/unreleased.html :O | 18:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/manila: Fix badly formatted release note https://review.openstack.org/324047 | 18:05 |
| markstur | gouthamr, Excellent timing. | 18:06 |
| bswartz | l | 18:06 |
| bswartz | o | 18:06 |
| bswartz | l | 18:06 |
| markstur | bswartz, I dare you to do a whole meeting that way | 18:06 |
| gouthamr | markstur bswartz: h | 18:06 |
| gouthamr | a | 18:06 |
| gouthamr | a | 18:06 |
| markstur | double-dog dare | 18:06 |
| gouthamr | ha | 18:06 |
| bswartz | I'll get booted from freenode for flooding | 18:06 |
| gouthamr | we'll have more lines of meeting notes \m/ | 18:07 |
| bswartz | it's something that happens to me fairly often sadly due to a bug in my IRC client | 18:07 |
| markstur | OK. Bad idea. How about instead we limit our code to 79 chars width? | 18:07 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: please add a reno when you fix it | 18:07 |
| bswartz | +1 for 79 chars | 18:08 |
| bswartz | I hate it when my dot matrix printer goes off the side of the paper | 18:08 |
| gouthamr | you have a dot matrix printer? what's that? | 18:09 |
| bswartz | lol | 18:09 |
| markstur | Even my Commodore could display more than 79 chars | 18:09 |
| ganso | markstur: what's a Commodore? xD | 18:09 |
| markstur | ganso, I'll let you know if they come out with a hot new upgrade. Otherwise, nevermind. | 18:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/manila: Fix badly formatted release note https://review.openstack.org/324047 | 18:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Adding info to use venv of tox for reno https://review.openstack.org/321627 | 19:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/manila-specs: Extend the design of share networks to span subnets https://review.openstack.org/323646 | 22:35 |
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