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| openstackgerrit | Marc Koderer proposed openstack/manila: Add hint how to configure fake_driver in manila-share https://review.openstack.org/314021 | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marc Koderer proposed openstack/manila: [WIP] Add multi-segment support https://review.openstack.org/277731 | 10:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Marc Koderer proposed openstack/manila: Add neutron driver for binding https://review.openstack.org/283494 | 10:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-manilaclient: Fix list access function comment https://review.openstack.org/313922 | 11:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/manila: Add tempest tests for user messages https://review.openstack.org/313951 | 13:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/manila: WIP User Messages https://review.openstack.org/313549 | 13:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/313734 | 13:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/manila: Skip over quota tests if quota tests disabled https://review.openstack.org/314092 | 13:16 |
| ameade | bswartz: ^^ so our CI can run tests with unlimited quotas | 13:17 |
| bswartz | ameade: o_O | 13:19 |
| tbarron | ameade: the patch ^^ is fine, but is the plan to skip quota tests in ordinary operation so that you can have unlimited quotas and not run out b/c of concurrency issues? | 13:19 |
| bswartz | I would assume that disabling quota tests would cause the quota tests to get skipped --- what is the current behavior? | 13:19 |
| ameade | bswartz: it does, that's just one they missed | 13:19 |
| bswartz | oh | 13:20 |
| tbarron | ameade: bswartz: i worry abou that as an ordinary mode of operation, as opposed e.g. to setting quotas higher | 13:20 |
| ameade | tbarron: basically | 13:20 |
| bswartz | ameade: now LP bug #? | 13:20 |
| bswartz | err | 13:20 |
| bswartz | no LP bug #? | 13:20 |
| bswartz | it feels like a bug | 13:20 |
| tbarron | ameade: or will we re-enable and run a test suite with lower quotas with them enabled? | 13:20 |
| tbarron | ameade: seems like we should have a working quota system and test it | 13:21 |
| ameade | tbarron: I just want unlimited quotas on the third party CI, those tests still need to run in gate | 13:21 |
| bswartz | tbarron: whether the tests work or not, it's important that they're skippable | 13:21 |
| bswartz | obviously they should work too | 13:21 |
| tbarron | ameade: ok | 13:21 |
| bswartz | but that's a separate issue | 13:21 |
| ameade | bswartz: i'll add a bug | 13:22 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, that's why I said the patch is fine | 13:22 |
| tbarron | and was wondering about the plan | 13:22 |
| bswartz | ameade: a bug isn't required, but since it feels like a bug I wanted to check that if one was filed, this change closes it | 13:22 |
| tbarron | which now ameade has reassured me about | 13:22 |
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| ameade | tbarron: i'm glad you asked | 13:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/manila: Skip over quota tests if quota tests disabled https://review.openstack.org/314092 | 13:24 |
| ameade | bswartz: ^ added bug | 13:25 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: there isn't a way to specify which nfs version is used for a share, right? | 13:26 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: I think it would be a nice feature to add a version to the share type | 13:26 |
| mkoderer | or at least as a config variable in netapp driver | 13:27 |
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| tbarron | mkoderer: in cinder we do this with configured mount options rather than share type, is there a reason for preferring share type? | 13:28 |
| tbarron | mkoderer: just want to understand the use case better | 13:29 |
| tbarron | mkoderer: share type would requre that the backend announce capabilties in this regard, right? | 13:30 |
| tbarron | which in case of netapp would mean checking how it is configured | 13:30 |
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| mkoderer | tbarron: in netapp drv I saw something like this: https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/drivers/netapp/dataontap/client/client_cmode.py#L1050 | 13:34 |
| mkoderer | tbarron: but I got your point.. you mean that the storage can use the latest version but it's up to the client to use an old version | 13:35 |
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| tbarron | is your use case that you have clients that want to use v3? | 13:39 |
| tbarron | mkoderer: ^^ | 13:39 |
| * akerr always wants to use v3 | 13:39 | |
| tbarron | akerr: and how do you do that with manila today? | 13:40 |
| akerr | when you mount you can just say mount -t nfs -vers=3 | 13:41 |
| akerr | or whatever the proper syntax is | 13:41 |
| akerr | -o vers=3? | 13:41 |
| akerr | something like that | 13:41 |
| mkoderer | tbarron: v4 caused a big downtime last week during a failover | 13:41 |
| tbarron | mkoderer: ^^^ does that meet your use case? | 13:42 |
| tbarron | mkoderer: v4 has to renegotiate locks, etc. | 13:42 |
| ameade | i guess theres no way to not allow v4 | 13:42 |
| akerr | ameade: well at least in our case we could have the driver disable v4 on the flexvol | 13:43 |
| tbarron | ameade: you can connfigure your netapp not to do it | 13:43 |
| tbarron | not recommending that btw | 13:43 |
| ameade | tbarron: if manila isn't creating the share servers | 13:43 |
| mkoderer | tbarron: I mean disabling v4 in the storage is quite inflexible.. but can be done with a good reason | 13:43 |
| mkoderer | I need to discuss with my team about it ;) | 13:43 |
| akerr | ameade: well sure, but in that case you're just using whatever resources are provided | 13:43 |
| tbarron | so just have clients ask for v3 when they mount, right? | 13:43 |
| akerr | is there a way to restrict versions in export policies? | 13:44 |
| ameade | if it's not disabled on the backend, the client can connect with whatever they want | 13:44 |
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| tbarron | ameade: +1 | 13:45 |
| ameade | is the lesson here that nfs v4 is just too complicated and nobody should use it? :) | 13:48 |
| tbarron | all that said, the nfs v4 lock reclamation in failover issue s/b addrresed too (not by manila team of course) | 13:48 |
| tbarron | http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/nfsv4/current/msg02552.html | 13:48 |
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| tbarron | https://library.netapp.com/ecmdocs/ECMP1196993/html/GUID-7D9F6845-6412-4BFF-A11B-BF15FD1B9845.html | 13:48 |
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| ameade | phew | 13:49 |
| tbarron | ameade: i would say the lesson is that vendors who support it need to understand it and help their customers with it :) | 13:49 |
| ameade | that's a book | 13:49 |
| ameade | tbarron: ouch, lol | 13:49 |
| akerr | doesn't redhat support nfs v4 in their OS? | 13:49 |
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| tbarron | ameade: and it doesn't have the kind of plot that means you can't put it down | 13:50 |
| tbarron | akerr: touche | 13:50 |
| ameade | tbarron: true story, not enough killing off characters | 13:50 |
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| akerr | ameade just wants more beating up of blind girls | 13:51 |
| akerr | that does sound pretty bad out of context, please watch the latest GOT episodes :) | 13:53 |
| tbarron | akerr: it was a bit of a conversation stopper | 13:53 |
| tbarron | haven't started the new GOT series yet | 13:53 |
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| bswartz | I saw the episode last night | 14:01 |
| bswartz | And I just read that whole nfsv4 lock thing | 14:01 |
| bswartz | it was a page-turner, IMO | 14:02 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: :) | 14:04 |
| bswartz | we've always tended to dodge the question of NFS versions | 14:04 |
| bswartz | since servers and clients can support multiple versions and negotiate between themselves | 14:05 |
| bswartz | I can see problems with implementation that CAN'T support multiple versions though | 14:05 |
| bswartz | I guess I had presumed that administrators would communicate their NFS limitations (if any) to their users out-of-band and they could work it out without any special support in Manila | 14:07 |
| bswartz | If you run an NFSv3-only or NFSv4-only server implementation then the clients just have to deal with that | 14:08 |
| bswartz | CIFS has similar versioning issues although I think Microsoft did a better job of hiding the details from users | 14:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/manila: Skip over quota tests if quota tests disabled https://review.openstack.org/314092 | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/manila: User Messages https://review.openstack.org/313549 | 14:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/manila: User Messages https://review.openstack.org/313549 | 14:26 |
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| ameade | cknight: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314092/ | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: when you have a chance, pls. weigh in on a question posedhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/313683/ - namely by | 15:02 |
| ameade | ganso: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314092/ | 15:03 |
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| ameade | ganso: wanna just slide that on in? | 15:03 |
| tbarron | namely, do we need to support old versions of api-paste.ini forever? | 15:03 |
| tbarron | that should say: posed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313683/ | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: this is outside my expertise | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: do people expect to customize api_paste.ini significantly and to not need to update it when they upgrade? | 15:08 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, that's my question too. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | or even if they don't customize, do they expect not to have to replace it? | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: lemme look and see what nova did with this one | 15:10 |
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| gouthamr_ | bswartz tbarron when i was reading up releasenotes, one of the common 'upgrade' notes was targeted at updating api-paste .. | 15:14 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: gouthamr: nova isn't really any help. they still have the compatability shim, with the comment: | 15:15 |
| tbarron | "Remove ... when grenade jobs will start upgrading from juno" | 15:16 |
| tbarron | it's unclear whether they just forgot about removing the shim or decided not to do so | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: :) our grenade jobs use the devstack plugin.. which does this setup with oslo_middleware.. its probably a question for toabctl | 15:17 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: i'm not so worried about grenade - as you pointed out, manila grenade passes b/c api-paste.ini was already using the oslo lib in the last release. | 15:19 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: my concern is with breaking customers | 15:19 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: bswartz: risk isn't that high for manila of having kilo customers who don't expect to have to change that file | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: true... but it's an API change.. standard deprecation policy, no? https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html | 15:20 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: bswartz: manila wasn't announced as production ready yet | 15:21 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: bswartz: but cinder ... | 15:21 |
| * tbarron continues the cinder-overflow-channel tradition | 15:22 | |
| gouthamr | tbarron: that's true.. | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | is there like an upgrade do's and don'ts guide :) | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: bswartz: maybe an upgrade reno is sufficient. and if rolling upgrades were supported, updating api-paste.ini before beginning the upgrade would be part of that doc. | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 | 15:25 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: bswartz: ok, I'll update the reno and remove the workflow -1 and let the rest of this issue get hashed out in review. Just didn't want this to merge without full consideration. | 15:26 |
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| ganso | bswartz, xyang_ , markstur, cknight, vponomaryov: Could you please take a look at this backport patch when you get some spare time? Thanks https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313528/ | 16:13 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: if the concern is rolling upgrades, then you can ignore it, because we definitely don't support that now | 16:32 |
| bswartz | if the concern is about all kinds of upgrades, then we need to look more closely about how that file is handled during ordinary upgrades | 16:33 |
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