Wednesday, 2016-03-02

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openstackgerritAbhilash Divakaran proposed openstack/manila: Add share driver for Tegile IntelliFlash Arrays  https://review.openstack.org/27816900:10
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila: NetApp: Add Replication support in cDOT  https://review.openstack.org/27541601:55
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openstackgerritAndrea Ma proposed openstack/manila: glusterManager instantiation regexp validation  https://review.openstack.org/28377702:54
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openstackgerritxing-yang proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: CLI for manage/unmanage snapshot  https://review.openstack.org/24954403:19
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila: Remove unused pngmath Sphinx extension  https://review.openstack.org/28583403:36
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-manilaclient: To tag all the Admin-only APIs as Admin only  https://review.openstack.org/26411004:31
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila: Add Ceph Native driver  https://review.openstack.org/27021104:46
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mdnadeem@all, can some one response to my query http://pastebin.com/uKmRSD2b ?05:05
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila: Introduced Data Service  https://review.openstack.org/24428605:12
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openstackgerritClinton Knight proposed openstack/manila: Update export location retrieval APIs  https://review.openstack.org/28207005:44
openstackgerritBen Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila: LXC/LXD driver  https://review.openstack.org/24575105:47
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openstackgerritClinton Knight proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Support preferred export locations in Manila CLI  https://review.openstack.org/28449905:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila: Huawei driver code review  https://review.openstack.org/28509406:13
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openstackgerritzhaohua proposed openstack/manila: Huawei driver improve support of StandaloneNetworkPlugin  https://review.openstack.org/28403306:27
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openstackgerritAlexey Ovchinnikov proposed openstack/manila: LXC/LXD driver  https://review.openstack.org/24575107:47
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openstackgerritCsaba Henk proposed openstack/manila: glusterfs-native: use Heketi layout via self-signing  https://review.openstack.org/28210108:59
openstackgerritCsaba Henk proposed openstack/manila: glusterfs: heketi: Add support for JWT Auth  https://review.openstack.org/28048608:59
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openstackgerritValeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [DEBUG] do not merge 1  https://review.openstack.org/28655811:39
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openstackgerritYogesh proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Annotate CLI commands for experimental features  https://review.openstack.org/28670612:08
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openstackgerritCsaba Henk proposed openstack/manila: ganesha: implement update_access  https://review.openstack.org/28260212:29
openstackgerritRodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Move Share Migration code to Data Service  https://review.openstack.org/25051512:35
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openstackgerritRodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Added new CLI commands for Share migration  https://review.openstack.org/25051812:46
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openstackgerritYogesh proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Annotate CLI commands for experimental features  https://review.openstack.org/28670612:51
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vponomaryovjcsp, rraja: are you aware that client changes are FF-restricted too? ceph-related commit requires update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/13:32
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jcspvponomaryov: thanks for the reminder, rraja will be updating that soon13:47
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openstackgerritRodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Added new CLI commands for Share migration  https://review.openstack.org/25051814:09
rrajavponomaryov: actually no. from the conversation we'd yesterday I could only infer that python-manila client does not follow strict FF deadline. I thought FF and M3 tagging were equivalent. And since you said that there is no strict deadline for M3 tagging of python-manilaclient I guess I made a wrong inference.14:11
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openstackgerritClinton Knight proposed openstack/manila: Update export location retrieval APIs  https://review.openstack.org/28207014:38
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vponomaryovrraja: tagging and FF are different things14:52
vponomaryovrraja: tagging if performed any time14:52
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openstackgerritxing-yang proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: CLI for manage/unmanage snapshot  https://review.openstack.org/24954415:07
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gouthamrbswartz: ping15:31
bswartzgouthamr: pong15:32
gouthamrhi bswartz! I have a question regarding this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-manilaclient/+bug/145715515:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1457155 in python-manilaclient "manila help do not tag all the Admin-only APIs as Admin only" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to NidhiMittalHada (nidhimittal19)15:32
bswartzk15:32
gouthamrbswartz: I am late to the party, but the fix is merged15:32
bswartzk15:33
gouthamrbswartz: do you agree with the "bug"15:33
gouthamrbswartz: policy.json dictates what's an admin api..15:34
bswartzthis is slightly controversial15:34
bswartzyes technically the deployer can change what is admin only15:34
bswartzhowever based on the assumption that most people don't do that, it seems helpful to inform users of what the common configuration is15:34
bswartzbecause having admin-only APIs not work can be frustrating or confusing15:35
gouthamrbswartz: yes, so we should'nt tag something in the CLI when we have provided a way for the administrators to change policy.json15:35
bswartzthis is a general cross project problem -- how do clients find out what they're able to do with their security token?15:36
gouthamrbswartz: why is it confusing? the server responds with a valid response.15:36
gouthamrbswartz: we had this discussion in openstack-sdks a long time ago.15:36
bswartzgouthamr: I look at it through the lens of least harm15:36
gouthamrbswartz: no other client does it so..15:36
bswartzadding help text causes very little harm15:36
bswartzletting users deal with failures causes more harm15:37
bswartzI understand that many people disagree15:37
xyang1vponomaryov: hi15:37
gouthamrbswartz: not really.. we have very descriptive error messages from the server15:37
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bswartzwell, we can refight this battle if you want15:38
gouthamrbswartz: we're solving the same problem, twice.. and probably creating a discripency..15:38
bswartzand remove the messages in newton15:38
bswartzI agree that it creates more confusion when the admin does change policy.json15:38
openstackgerritxing-yang proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: CLI for manage/unmanage snapshot  https://review.openstack.org/24954415:38
gouthamrbswartz: i recommend removing them now.. please; before we ship this and make customers hate us for it :(15:38
bswartzI was not willing to punt on the issue though, and relying on error messages is not sufficient notification to users IMO15:39
gouthamrbswartz: I agree with adding the 'experimental' tag.. that is mighty helpful.. because the client is injecting a header without the user really knowing it..15:39
bswartzhate us because we provide help text that's only accurate 95% of the time? that seems unlikely15:39
gouthamrbswartz: it could be wrong to assume that there are only two kinds of users in a policy file.15:40
bswartzthe only people users should be hating is the admin who modified policy.json15:40
bswartzthat's also true15:40
bswartzbut this problem is not generally solved15:40
bswartzand I'm not willing to wait for it to be solved15:40
gouthamrbswartz: tag experimental, don't tag "admin_only"15:40
bswartzwhen it's solved, we will use the correct solution15:40
bswartzuntil then, we have to muddle through15:41
gouthamrbswartz: at this point, we can assume "admin_only" on the server side too, and code that way.. we don't.. we're very careful to allow changes to the policy file..15:41
gouthamrbswartz: since the client has no access (possibly) to the policy.json in the server, we shouldn't worry about solving this problem15:41
bswartzfwiw, I think that horizon might have a slightly more elegant solution to this problem15:41
gouthamrbswartz : ameade tells me glance tried to solve this problem and they let  go of this solution too..15:42
gouthamrbswartz: when a more elegant solution presents itself, we can adopt it.. for now, that change just merged yesterday, could we not revert?15:43
gouthamrbswartz: request :)15:43
bswartzgouthamr: it looks like markstur, xyang1, and I were all in favor of this15:44
gouthamrxyang1: ^^ this will affect your latest patch too15:44
bswartzbswartz: start a ML post or a meeting topic15:44
* bswartz headdesk15:45
* bswartz is talking to himself for some reason...15:45
bswartzgouthamr: start a ML post or a meeting topic15:45
xyang1gouthamr: Let me catch up with your conversation15:45
gouthamrthanks xyang1.. yes bswartz.15:45
alkhodosHi guys. Can somebody actually confirm/deny that manila works on stable/liberty branch of devstack? I'm trying to install Liberty using the same local.conf that works for master, but my m-api service fails auth, although all other api services work. Any advice is appreciated.15:47
xyang1gouthamr: I have added Admin only15:47
xyang1gouthamr: anything else needs to be changed?15:47
gouthamrxyang1: i feel that not correct.. since policy.json determines whether an API is "admin only"15:48
gouthamrxyang1: having something like that in a python file in the client will not allow an deployer to change that help text if he decided to let users use snapshot_manage..15:48
gouthamrxyang1: scratch that.. its not as easy to muck with the client as easy it is to modify policy.json15:49
bswartzalkhodos: we've been able to merge stuff to stable/liberty in the gate as of not very long ago -- so it was working then15:49
gouthamrxyang1: so i feel this "admin only" in the help text is misleading.15:50
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alkhodosbswartz: Maybe you can share a local.conf example that worked on liberty?.. that'd be really helpful15:51
bswartzalkhodos: I haven't done anything on liberty personally in quite a while15:52
bswartzalkhodos: you'd be better off looking at the conf that devstack-gate used on a successfully merged liberty patch15:52
bswartzalkhodos:  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/manila+status:merged+branch:stable/liberty15:53
alkhodosbswartz: good idea, thank you!15:53
openstackgerritAlexey Ovchinnikov proposed openstack/manila: LXC/LXD driver  https://review.openstack.org/24575115:56
xyang1gouthamr: it just says you need to be an admin to use those apis15:56
xyang1gouthamr: so it is still helpful15:56
gouthamrxyang1: that's not true... a deployer can modify policy.json and invalidate that assumption15:57
bswartzgouthamr: the point is, they can, but nobody actually does15:57
vponomaryovxyang1: you need to be an admin when "default policy.json" is used15:57
vponomaryovxyang1: not in all cases15:57
vponomaryovxyang1: and I am on gouthamr side here15:58
bswartzwho are these users who are making changes to policy.json and why are they doing it?15:58
gouthamryes vponomaryov.. so, how do we know if the default policy.json is used..15:58
vponomaryovprivate cloud?15:58
vponomaryovbswartz ^15:58
bswartzI would like some of these users to come share their use cases15:59
xyang1gouthamr: vponomaryov you mean we cannot say any api is admin api any more in all our docs?15:59
bswartzin a private cloud, I imagine users just give themselves admin accounts15:59
vponomaryovxyang1: it is defined by chagable file15:59
vponomaryovxyang1: you wanted to ask something?15:59
vponomaryovxyang1: about hour ago?15:59
xyang1vponomaryov: see my comments in my manage snapshot patch.  I tried but cannot add alias for a positional parameter16:00
xyang1vponomaryov: got an error16:00
vponomaryovxyang1: looking16:00
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vponomaryovxyang1: oh, you are right, my mistake, yes, it is applied only for named args16:01
xyang1vponomaryov: thanks16:01
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a_tavponomaryov: ping16:16
vponomaryova_ta: pong16:17
gouthamrxyang1, vponomaryov, bswartz: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088082.html16:18
a_tavponomaryov: could you possibly continue reviewing this patch? thanks! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282063/316:18
xyang1gouthamr: thanks16:18
bswartza_ta: bugfixes are not a high priority for us right now, especially ones related to docs16:19
bswartzafter feature freeze these kinds of patches should get more attention16:19
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a_tabswartz: ah i see16:19
vponomaryova_ta: done16:20
a_tavponomaryov: awesome thanks!16:21
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bswartzvponomaryov: I THINK I FOUND A SOLUTION!16:26
vponomaryovbswartz: for neutron bug?16:27
bswartzyes16:27
bswartzalthough trusty is old, it still supports the concept of mount propagation16:27
bswartzhowever it's disabled by default16:27
bswartzso we enable it and the umount's should automatically propagate to the other namespaces16:28
bswartzumounts16:28
bswartzI'm going to test it16:28
vponomaryovbswartz: enable where? via what?16:28
bswartzsudo mount --make-rshared /16:28
bswartzmodern linuxes usually run that command or some command like it at bootup16:29
bswartztrusty is too old16:29
bswartzbut we can run it in devstack plugin16:29
bswartzonce you run that command then umounts done in the parent namespace will propagate to child namespaces created by neutron16:30
bswartzthus solving the problem elegantly16:30
bswartzI considered a dozen ugly solutions but this one seems most promising16:31
vponomaryovnice16:31
vponomaryovbswartz: just tried on running lab, didn't work16:33
gansovponomaryov, bswartz, cknight, markstur, xyang1, toabctl: Could you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250515/ ?16:34
vponomaryovbswartz: if it should be applied for not mounted yet FS, then it does not work for us16:34
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bswartzvponomaryov: mount propagation is hard to understand -- I had to read 5 articles about it and run a lot of experiments before I got the hang of it16:37
bswartzin my initial test it worked16:38
bswartzI'm going to test it now with actual ZFS driver in gate16:38
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bswartzI'm come to learn that the linux VFS subsystem is nothing like it was in the 90s16:39
bswartzthere's a lot of magic I was unaware of16:39
vponomaryovbswartz: looks like key "--rprivate" worked16:41
bswartzwhich key?16:42
bswartztrusty defaults to the whole mount namespace being private16:42
vponomaryovbswartz: "sudo zfs create %zpool/dataset% ; sudo mount --rprivate %zpool/dataset%; "16:42
bswartzright16:43
bswartzyou can do it privately like that16:43
bswartzhowever it doesn't solve the problem unless you're already in another namespace16:43
bswartzbecause we use nfs-kernel-server, we cannot use alternative namespaces in manila (the linux NFS kernel server doesn't yet support namespaces)16:44
bswartzone solution I considered involved manila doing all mounts in private namespaces and using ganesha-nfs16:44
bswartzthat would be most foolproof solution16:44
bswartzhowever it's a lot of work16:44
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bswartzthis solution is 1 line of code and it should work very reliably against what neutron does16:48
vponomaryovrraja, bswartz: what do we do with HDFS CI/driver?16:52
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kfox1111question. the isilon driver in liberty mentions '* Only FLAT network is supported'16:53
kfox1111is this refering to neutron itself or something else in Manila?16:54
kfox1111We're using neutron tenant networks currently.16:54
kfox1111can this be worked around with share servers?16:54
openstackgerritBen Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila: Remove nsenter dependency  https://review.openstack.org/28731616:55
bswartzvponomaryov, rraja: workflow proposed fixes? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/devstack-plugin-hdfs+status:open16:57
vponomaryovkfox1111: this driver will not consider networking stuff16:57
vponomaryovkfox1111: it can have only one common net that everyone has access to16:57
kfox1111ok. so share servers can't proxy into our tenant networks to work around the restriction?16:58
vponomaryovkfox1111: there is no "share server" with that kind of a driver16:59
kfox1111k. bummer.16:59
kfox1111so we can't use it.16:59
bswartzkfox1111: I don't understand the problem you're trying to solve17:00
kfox1111our neutron is setup with tenant networks.17:00
vponomaryovkfox1111: you mean there is no common network in your cloud?17:00
kfox1111if the driver only works with neturon setup in a flat network, we can't use the isilon driver.17:00
bswartzkfox1111: a share-server-supporting driver for Isilon could be added, if the actual hardware was capable of joining tenant networks directly17:00
kfox1111there's a public net.17:00
vponomaryovkfox1111: so, what is the problem then?17:01
vponomaryovkfox1111: or you mean segmentation thing?17:01
kfox1111every tenant has their own private network,17:01
bswartzin practice, usage of a shared/common network for all tenants and shares isn't usually a problem17:01
kfox1111and there is an external one for accessing the greater corperate network.17:01
kfox1111so it doesn't just support a flat network, it needs a shared network?17:02
vponomaryovit is up to your network routes17:02
vponomaryovisilon will use just single net17:02
kfox1111yeah, but if you have to get from the isolon to the vm via a floating ip, is that an issue?17:03
vponomaryovkfox1111: and you decide to make public or private in Neutron17:03
openstackgerritRamana Raja proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Add 'cephx' authentication type  https://review.openstack.org/27495217:03
vponomaryovfrom isilon to VM?17:03
vponomaryovkfox1111: maybe vice versa?17:04
kfox1111does nfs/cifs work via a nat?17:04
kfox1111yeah, visa versa.17:04
bswartzkfox1111: yes, you can use your floating IP to mount shares -- the caveat there is that when you do manila allow-access, you must use the floating IP address, not the instance's private IP address17:04
kfox1111right. that makes sense.17:04
kfox1111ok. so if we put the isilon out on the corperate network (actually, it already is),17:05
kfox1111then we point manila at it, and just make sure the acl's point to the floating ip's or tenant router ip's for the tenants access.17:05
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bswartzkfox1111: and the upshot is that when you allow access to that floating IP, all the instances on the private net get access -- you cannot discriminate between different guests by IP because they're all being NATed17:05
bswartzit's a minor downside IMO17:06
kfox1111we're ok with that restriction. we already have to live with that with them being on the corperate network that way anyway.17:07
bswartzvponomaryov: in case you didn't see, here is my proposal to fix neutron bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287316/17:07
kfox1111the extra security of the tenant networks outweights the easy visibility at the edge.17:07
kfox1111Thanks for the help.17:08
bswartzkfox1111: glad to hear this is workable17:08
bswartzthe no-share-servers use case is a very important one for the manila project17:08
kfox1111yeah. me too. :)17:08
vponomaryovkfox1111: feedback is important too17:08
vponomaryov))17:08
kfox1111it still would be nice to have the option for share servers if it would give the option to more easily get it into the tenants.17:09
kfox1111then it can be up to the tenant to deside how to do the acl's/ to share server or not.17:09
rrajavponomaryov bswartz : there are a couple of bashate errors that need to be fixed. and i've overlooked them until now since I've other more urgent patches on my plate.17:09
rrajagouthamr: ping17:09
kfox1111but I was worried it would be a no go when I saw FLAT network in the documentation but it isn't quite what it seems.17:09
dencavalHey guys, would it be possible to upload a manila service image to an OpenStack official location?17:10
gouthamrrraja: pong17:10
bswartzrraja: thanks for all of your work on HDFS CI17:10
vponomaryovkfox1111: VNX supports share servers17:10
kfox1111VNX?17:10
vponomaryovkfox1111: EMC VNX17:10
kfox1111upating the docs might be a good thing to clarify that networking detail.17:10
kfox1111does the VNX driver work with an Isilon appliance?17:11
bswartzrraja: focus on feature freeze priorities over HDFS CI -- we need to fix it but it's not urgent17:11
kfox1111we're not buying new hardware, but tryign to reuse existing hardware.17:11
bswartzkfox1111: no17:11
kfox1111k.17:11
kfox1111we have a ceph too. which is our primary storage.17:11
bswartzVNX and Isilon just both happen to be EMC products with Manila drivers17:11
kfox1111so if possible, we might do both ceph and the isilon.17:11
kfox1111ah. ok.17:11
rrajagouthamr: hi! i just need quick tips regarding this patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/17:12
bswartzsoon to be Dell products I suppose....17:12
rrajabswartz: sure! thanks!17:12
vponomaryovdencaval:  it is not yet so, but planned to be hosted inside of infra env17:13
gouthamrrraja: taking a look.17:13
dencavalvponomaryov, Hm, how can we do that?17:14
rrajagouthamr: i'm unable to easily copy over server side authentication of cephx access type on the client side. i don't how to do this on the client side, https://github.com/openstack/manila/commit/9ff0d1312e6be55841eca124741ca45a44955878#diff-f9de13841bba0a384ad1089a1b80d391R8917:14
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vponomaryovdencaval: we have project "manila-image-elements"17:14
vponomaryovdencaval: that builds image for generic driver17:14
gouthamrrraja: do we want the validation on the client?17:15
rrajagouthamr: how do I check for version request as is done on the server side, as I don't see any request object being passed to allow_access on the clien17:15
vponomaryovdencaval: and result of its building job can be saved to, for example, "tarballs.openstack.org"17:15
rrajagouthamr: that seems to be the general practice to repeat validation on the client side.17:15
vponomaryovdencaval: but it is not saved yet17:15
gouthamrrraja: just a second.. i think we're doing some validation on the client.. my bad17:15
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bswartzdencaval: yes the manila-image-elements project is the source for service images17:16
bswartzbut the builds from that project are not yet saved in official location17:17
bswartzdencaval: did you have success using LVM driver for example install?17:17
openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila: Update export location retrieval APIs  https://review.openstack.org/28207017:17
* bswartz thinks LVM is much simpler than Generic for first time users17:17
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gouthamrrraja: okay, understand this better now.. don't check for version.. the version check's already done at the server for that action.. you're just adding an option.17:19
kfox1111did the cephfs driver ever get any traction for mitaka?17:19
gouthamrrraja: i think the client side validation is redundant.. but maybe we're doing that to have a quicker turnaround time..17:19
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openstackgerritRodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Move Share Migration code to Data Service  https://review.openstack.org/25051517:19
gouthamrkfox1111: yes. it will be shipped in mitaka, thanks to rraja jcsp17:19
dencavalbswartz, I did not have time for testing LVM, so I continue to just fix reviews using generic driver once it is ready.17:19
openstackgerritRodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Added new CLI commands for Share migration  https://review.openstack.org/25051817:19
kfox1111awesome. thanks. :)17:19
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dencavalThere is the review of Christian Berendt at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273724. We suggested using an more official location for the manila service image.17:21
dencavalbswartz,17:21
rrajagouthamr: so what I do now is sufficient except for the missing unit tests?17:21
dencavalbswartz, he suggested*17:23
gouthamrrraja: yep. be sure to update this file: https://github.com/openstack/python-manilaclient/blob/e4b42960833a8133b8f5c0aeab5be5369adccb5e/manilaclient/api_versions.py#L3417:23
gouthamrrraja: max microversion..17:23
gouthamrrraja: also add a "functional" negative test maybe?17:24
rrajakfox1111: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/cephfs-driver17:24
bswartzdencaval: did he recommend any place specific? or just ask for us to put it somewhee official?17:24
kfox1111are there any plans to support shadow migration via share servers with union mounts?17:24
bswartzdencaval: it's probably a question we should ask infra about17:24
bswartzwould tarballs.openstack.org be an acceptable "official" place?17:25
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dencavalbswartz, He just said this: "Is it possible to provide this image on a some more official location? I am not sure if it is a good idea to pull binary images from 3rd party locations."17:26
bswartzI could take over the work to make the manila-image-elements project upload tarballs and we can start tagging them to establish "released" service images17:26
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bswartzdencaval: I agree completely -- solving that issue just hasn't been high enough priority until now17:26
bswartznow it's high priority and we'll solve it17:26
kfox1111rraja: oh, so this is exporting cephfs to users directly?17:27
bswartzI'll see what I can do about it after lunch17:27
* bswartz is starving17:27
kfox1111is there an option to have a share server reexport via smb/nfs?17:27
rrajagouthamr: thanks! so I guess I need to bump it to 2.16 due to this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250518/20/manilaclient/api_versions.py ?17:27
kfox1111not that this isn't very cool. I have other uses for direct cephfs support to vm's. :)17:28
dencavalbswartz, Nice thanks, when the url be ready, post a comment and I can update the patch.17:28
rrajakfox1111: yeah the driver exports shares using ceph's native protocol.17:29
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kfox1111I was under the impression there could only be one cephfs for the whole cluster.17:29
kfox1111is this sharing out subdirs of it? or did they add a feature I didn't know about? :)17:29
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rrajakfox1111: yes it shares out sub directories.17:31
rrajajcsp: ^^17:31
kfox1111ah. does it make a restricted auth key per subdir or something?17:31
kfox1111so, then we'd have to make sure our ceph was public, not private to support cephfs.17:32
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kfox1111hmm.... but our hypervisors are only private....17:32
kfox1111has ceph gotten around to supporting multiple public networks properly yet?17:33
kfox1111last I looked, it only supported one public network that was routed.17:33
kfox1111oh... and I guess it might have the same issue the isilon driver would have....17:33
kfox1111it would be on the public network, and the clients would be in vm's that would nat out to it.17:33
kfox1111so cephfs's driver would have to work via nat...17:34
kfox1111has that been tested?17:34
jcspkfox1111: for the cephfs native driver (the one just added) you need your guests to have IP access to the ceph public network.17:34
jcspas you've guessed17:34
kfox1111(I've tried nat with hpss protocol before. it breaks horibly, so I always ask about protocol support for nat these days :)17:35
jcspthat's kind of intrinsic to the cephfs protocol.  The way to get away from that is to have a gateway somewhere else, either remotely or on the hypervisor.  If you're interested in future directions you should watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNTCBouMaAU17:35
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gansorraja: I think you should use 2.13, since cephx merged on 2.1317:37
kfox1111not sure I can make cephfs fly due to the network restrictions of ceph. :/17:37
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rrajaganso: correct. yeah, i was just about to correct myself. thanks!17:37
kfox1111I'd have to do some things with routing that would be... uncomfortable. :/17:37
jcspkfox1111: we are not expecting most people to want to deploy cephfs native for general purpose workloads.  However, the native driver is the building block for everything that comes next, and it may be useful for some single-tenant environments.17:38
kfox1111ceph really needs multihoming support. :/17:38
kfox1111yeah. I get that.17:38
kfox1111but the problem is ops usually deploy ceph with the ceph "public" network as the private network the hypervisors talk on.17:39
kfox1111becasuse cinder expects the hypervisor to talk directly to ceph.17:40
kfox1111I don't put any of the hypervisors on the public network directly sicne there is no reason for them to be there. only vm's get attached to the real public net via floating ip's.17:40
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kfox1111but ceph can only have one "public" network. so the only other way is to bridge the private cloud network, the ceph public network, and the real public network with a router and acl it. :/17:41
amrithgreetings, I'm new to manila. Trying to work on integrating it with Trove. I setup a new manila instance for dev with devstack. devstack is using nova networking. I created a manila network (share-network-create) with the nova networking id. Then I attempted manila create NFS ... and I get an error 401, The request you have made requires authentication on the m-shr screen window. I guess I'm doing something wrong, is17:42
amriththere a quick start guide for manila/devstack that will help me troubleshoot this? Thanks ...17:42
kfox1111I try to avoid doing that sort of thing though whenever I can. :/17:42
jcspkfox1111: not sure I completely understand your topology (typically we expect the ceph net to be more or less exclusively exposed to hypervisors) but I'm also probably not the right person to tell :-)17:43
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vponomaryovamrith: I guess you used default "generic driver", in this case you need to define option "service_instance_network_helper_type=nova"17:52
amrithvponomaryov, let me check17:52
vponomaryovamrith: and restart "m-shr" service17:52
vponomaryovamrith: this opt should be defined in config group related to driver17:52
amrithvponomaryov, do I need to create a new backend17:55
amrithor can I just jam this into generic?17:55
vponomaryovamrith: no, just define opt and restart service17:55
amriththanks vponomaryov ... got past that17:56
amrithnow creating ...17:56
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gouthamrrraja: still here?18:04
rrajagouthamr: yes!18:04
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vponomaryovbswartz: I propose to remove our job called "gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-multibackend", its coverage completely replacable with same "postgres" job18:05
vponomaryov"gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron" ^18:05
gouthamrrraja: sorry for the latency.. the current version of the client is 2.11; the CEPH change was made in 2.13 (if i'm right), so, please update it to 2.13 ... if some other change merges before yours, you can revert changes to that file, because your change will get a higher microversion for free..18:06
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gouthamrrraja: xyang1's patch is 2.12 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249544 and it will probably be workflowed soon.. your patch could depend on that and update the microversion to 2.1318:07
rrajagouthamr: thanks! np! yeah, i got that. ganso chipped in during your brief absence.18:07
gouthamrrraja: nice. sorry about the reiteration then. :)18:08
rrajagouthamr: wow! you're sounding british now, too many sorrys.18:09
gouthamrrraja: :) haha.. learning my irc manners18:09
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openstackgerritYogesh proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Annotate CLI commands for experimental features  https://review.openstack.org/28670618:24
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bswartzcsaba: ping18:49
bswartzcsaba: it's not clear to us if the new "heketi" layout code is exercised by the existing 2 glusterfs jobs in jenkins -- can you confirm if those jobs exercise the new code?18:49
csababswartz: I can confirm that the existing jobs don't exercise the new code18:50
csababswartz: I'm working on the heketi CI job right now.18:51
bswartzcsaba: where is the CI for the driver?18:51
bswartzoh18:51
bswartzwe can't merge an effectively new driver without CI18:51
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bswartzcsaba: why wasn't there CI for this 3 weeks ago?18:53
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csababswartz: I thought the feature proposal requirement is just passing unit test, CI can be provided later on up till the FF.18:54
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bswartzcsaba: technically we didn't set a deadline for the CI -- but FF is now and I don't see anything voting18:55
bswartzyesterday was the target date to tag, but we have a few patches left18:56
csababswartz: I hope I can launch it in a feew hours.18:57
bswartzas soon as the rest of the patches are in, I plan to tag milestone 318:57
csababswartz: well OK.18:57
bswartzI don't want to push the milestone to the last minute like we did with liberty18:58
csabaI understand.18:58
bswartzaovchinnikov: ping?19:01
openstackgerritClinton Knight proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Support preferred export locations in Manila CLI  https://review.openstack.org/28449919:02
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openstackgerritYogesh proposed openstack/manila: Add tempest tests for Share Replication  https://review.openstack.org/24484319:10
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openstackgerritRodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Move Share Migration code to Data Service  https://review.openstack.org/25051519:18
openstackgerritRamana Raja proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Add 'cephx' authentication type  https://review.openstack.org/27495219:24
marksturgouthamr, ping19:27
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gouthamrhi markstur!19:28
marksturfor the experimental tagging CLI patch of Yogi119:28
marksturDoes it need APIImpact for help + docstring changes?  Or DocImpact or both?19:28
marksturor neither19:29
gouthamrmarkstur: APIImpact applies only for manila APIs.. since it adds the documentation necessary, we may not have DocImpact..19:29
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gouthamrmarkstur: i think we should capture stuff like this with reno :) or not. bswartz may have another opinion..19:29
marksturWell it is a minor bugfix.  We don't need all of them in reno.19:30
marksturSInce it is touching help, I wasn't sure about *Impact.19:30
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gouthamrtrue markstur19:31
marksturgouthamr, Looks like the CLI docs are magically built in CI results.  Sweet.19:36
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rrajacknight: ping20:02
cknight rraja: pong20:02
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rrajacknight: hi! the cephfs driver BP was set to complete https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/cephfs-driver . can I still refer to this BP in relevant python-manilaclient patches's (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/) commit message?20:04
cknightrraja: sure, but you better make sure the client patch merges by tomorrow20:06
rrajacknight: thanks! will do.20:06
openstackgerritRamana Raja proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Add 'cephx' authentication type  https://review.openstack.org/27495220:10
openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila: LXC/LXD driver  https://review.openstack.org/24575120:13
rrajaganso: ping20:20
gansorraja: pong20:20
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amrithfolks, setting up manila with devstack. When I attempt to create, I get an error about SSHException: Check whether private key or password are correctly set. Error connecting via ssh: Authentication failed.20:23
rrajaganso: regarding your comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/ . i think i posed the same question to goutham (earlier in this channel) about the need to implement a version check as done in the server side, and he thought it wasn't necessary.20:23
amrithI am able to ssh into the manila service instance with20:23
amrithssh manila@10.0.0.220:23
amrithand the keypair is properly injected into the manila service instance20:23
amrithwhat user does the m-shr service attempt to use? or are there other common reasons why it may fail to ssh to the service instance?20:23
gansorraja: I think I missed the point of having a client validation, why exactly is this necessary if it is a duplicate of server side validation? first I thought validation was going to be different20:24
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rrajaganso: I earlier intended to do that but I had the following question, I'm unable to easily copy over server side authentication of cephx access type on the client side. i don't how to do this on the client side, https://github.com/openstack/manila/commit/9ff0d1312e6be55841eca124741ca45a44955878#diff-f9de13841bba0a384ad1089a1b80d391R8920:24
rrajaganso: yeah it's not really necessary but other auth types seem to do it20:25
amrithis there some place in the configuration where I should tell it to use a specific user when it attempts to SSH to the manila service?20:25
rrajaganso:  how do I check for version request as is done on the server side, as I don't see any request object being passed to allow_access on the client?20:25
rrajaganso: so what's your suggestion?20:26
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gansorraja: you could just have a different method annotated with a different version20:27
gansorraja: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250518/20/manilaclient/v2/shares.py20:27
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gansorraja: there are 2 migration_start methods, with 2 different behaviors, depending on microversion20:28
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openstackgerritRodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Move Share Migration code to Data Service  https://review.openstack.org/25051520:30
gouthamrganso: do we really need to overload method names for different access types? we're just requesting a new type of access..20:32
gouthamrrraja: ^^20:33
gouthamrrraja: you're only changing what goes into the body..20:33
gouthamrrraja: not part of the URL or hitting a different URL..20:34
gansogouthamr: I think this validation should not be shown if client is using version prior to 2.1320:38
rrajaganso: ok. thanks!20:41
gansogouthamr: in fact, that is not what goes in the body I am referring to20:41
gansogouthamr: it is the validation itself20:41
gansorraja: ^20:42
gouthamrganso:  i think this is too light a change to take the pain to microversion in the client20:44
gouthamrganso: it's part of the body.. there's no URL change or no different action as such20:44
cknightgouthamr: +120:44
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openstackgerritAndrea Ma proposed openstack/manila: glusterManager instantiation regexp validation  https://review.openstack.org/28377720:46
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gansogouthamr: it is just redefine a method with a different annotation and call a function "validate_ceph" before the request20:53
gansogouthamr: there is no pain20:53
openstackgerritAndrea Ma proposed openstack/manila: glusterManager instantiation regexp validation  https://review.openstack.org/28377720:56
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openstackgerritGoutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Revert usage of help text marking "admin only" CLIs  https://review.openstack.org/28743620:58
rrajacknight: while I can do what ganso suggests, any idea why validation is duplicated in manila client? for a quicker turnaround as gouthamr guessed earlier?21:00
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vponomaryov1cknight, bswartz, ganso, markstur, xyang1: manilaclient functional job will fail until we merge this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284499/21:02
vponomaryov1because microversions behavior was changed for tested APIs21:03
gansorraja: unless I am very confused, we are validating only because there was already validation of other types in place. I wouldn't even bother with this change at all, it is essentially doing everything the server does. But if we are implementing validation in the client, I think it should be microversioned.21:04
gansovponomaryov1: will read that one21:04
xyang1vponomaryov1:  2.14 already?21:05
xyang1vponomaryov1: mine is at 2.1221:06
vponomaryov1xyang1: in your commit you can avoid such update21:07
vponomaryov1same for ceph change21:07
bswartzxyang1: lots of microversion bumps at the last minute21:07
bswartzxyang1: might want to let the cinder folks know that this is what their future looks like21:08
vponomaryov1xyang1, rraja: you client commits can be already rebased on top of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284499/ , because without it your commits will fail on functional tests job and it is in merge conflict21:08
vponomaryov1s/you/your/21:08
xyang1bswartz: so bump to 2.14 ahead of time to avoid merge conflicts?21:08
vponomaryov1xyang1: serveris already 2.1421:09
vponomaryov1xyang1: order for client side can be any21:09
xyang1vponomaryov1: ok21:09
gouthamrawesome.. so we could avoid bumping the microversion on both xyang1 and rraja's patches21:09
vponomaryov1yes21:09
bswartzxyang1: the problem is the forced updates on the server as everyone races for the same version21:09
bswartzxyang1: it would be nice if we knew ahead of time the order things would merge so we could all pick numbers and stick with them21:09
vponomaryov1and cknight won! ))21:09
gouthamrhaha21:09
cknightvponomaryov: I won 2.14.  But I lost 2.11, 2.12, 2.13.  :-)21:10
cknightvponomaryov: In the end, we work together and all win.21:10
gouthamrcknight: :P i slipped 2.11 in slyly.21:11
vponomaryov1xyang1: you can use "rebase" button in gerrit and id of commit to rebase quicly not losing votes21:15
vponomaryov1and time21:15
xyang1vponomaryov1: ok, let me try the new fancy button:)21:15
rrajaganso: are you saying that I could just abandon this patch and not duplicate what the server already does (as it was mentioned in the commit message of the patch)?21:16
sghattyAll: I have a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1551497 that I need to verify. Does anyone know how to build Manila docs from commandline?21:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1551497 in Manila "ganesha: private attribute leaks to public API" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Surya Ghatty (ghatty)21:16
vponomaryov1sghatty: tox -e docs21:17
sghattythanks, vponomaryov1!21:18
sghattyDo you know the directory where docs are written to? with tox -e docs command?21:20
bswartzvponomaryov1: you've looked at this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260554/21:21
vponomaryov1sghatty: it will create local dir "build"21:22
bswartzvponomaryov1: we need to decide whether to merge it now21:22
vponomaryov1bswartz: it is question?21:22
rrajaganso: ?21:22
bswartzvponomaryov1: we haven't given manila-ui much attention this cycle21:22
bswartzbut it freezes this week like everything else21:23
vponomaryov1bswartz: I need to test it first21:23
bswartzwell it might be too late if it's not tested already21:23
vponomaryov1bswartz: will be able to do it tomorrow my morning21:23
vponomaryov1bswartz: 12 hours before FF21:23
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bswartzvponomaryov1: that's okay for manila-ui21:24
bswartzI don't want to wait that long for manila itself21:24
bswartzabhi: ping21:26
bswartzabhi: when will we see the next tegile driver patch?21:26
vponomaryov1xyang1: I suspect rebase fancy button does not work? looks like manual rebase required21:26
bswartzvponomaryov1: when it says "cannot merge" you have to do a manual rebase21:27
xyang1vponomaryov1: ok, I think I need make mine dependent on that one21:27
bswartzxyang1: either that or use Depends-On if you change doesn't conflict with the other21:28
xyang1bswartz: I need to manually modify mine because I changed api version to 2.12 in mine21:28
bswartzmarkstur: ping21:30
marksturbswartz, pong21:30
bswartzmarkstur: why recheck this? looks like pep8 (bashate) is what failed... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278682/21:31
bswartzand failure took only 30 seconds21:31
bswartzis there a problem with the patch or is there a problem with manila-image-elements?21:31
gansorraja: sorry for the delay, I am driving. Essentially, I would be fine with that. Not sure if other core devs would agree21:31
* bswartz supposes he will find out...21:32
cknightganso: I stepped through a good bit of your migration code last week, I'm reading the rest of it now.  One question: why did you not use the retrying library for all your methods that retry things?  That would seem to simplify your code.21:33
marksturThat was quite a while ago, but I think since it didn't seem like the problem was related to this patch set, I figured it wouldn't hurt to see if the error was repeatable vs. a one-time problem.21:33
bswartzIf I'm not mistaken, bashate found a problem in tools/run_bashate.sh....21:35
gansocknight: you mean the parts where I keep polling for the status?21:35
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cknightganso: yes, in places like create_instance_and_wait()21:35
openstackgerritxing-yang proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: CLI for manage/unmanage snapshot  https://review.openstack.org/24954421:36
gansocknight: I guess I did not think about it back then21:37
bswartzoh most of these messages are warnings21:37
bswartznevermind21:37
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cknightganso: OK.  Not insisting on it now, but it's worth looking into as a simplification.21:37
gansocknight: I can work on it in M4, open a bug that should be using retry library21:38
xyang1cknight: vponomaryov1 bswartz can I have +2 +A back? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249544/21:38
cknightxyang1: looking, seems to work21:39
xyang1cknight: made it dependent on yours21:39
openstackgerritBen Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila-image-elements: Don't run bashate on conf files  https://review.openstack.org/28746021:43
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bswartzvponomaryov1 cknight markstur xyang1: ^ please take a look at this manila-image-elements patch -- I need to get that project in working shape so I can help dencaval with the install guide issue21:45
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vponomaryov1bswartz: here is fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232142/27/tools/run_bashate.sh21:50
bswartzvponomaryov1: I'm confused -- are you saying that bashate actually does know how to check config files?21:51
bswartzwhere is the E040 exception implemented?21:52
bswartzoh it's there are the end of the super long line21:53
bswartzOkay I'll do that instead21:53
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bswartzonly if bashate is actually supposed to support conf files though21:55
bswartzvponomaryov1: I can't find evidence that bashate treats config files specially -- it seems to only understand bash21:56
bswartzadding an exception just masks the bigger problem21:57
bswartzI think the correct fix is to skip the config file and keep E040 enabled21:57
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openstackgerritAbhilash Divakaran proposed openstack/manila: Add share driver for Tegile IntelliFlash Arrays  https://review.openstack.org/27816922:06
bswartzabhi: thanks22:06
bswartzcknight: ^22:06
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila-image-elements: Don't run bashate on conf files  https://review.openstack.org/28746022:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/manila: Add additional documentation on extra spec operations.  https://review.openstack.org/28206323:18
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kfox1111so how does auth with the new cephfs driver work?23:28
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openstackgerritSurya Ghatty proposed openstack/manila: Remove private attribute from public API  https://review.openstack.org/28750623:30
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openstackgerritSurya Ghatty proposed openstack/manila: Remove private attribute from public API  https://review.openstack.org/28750623:33
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cknight1markstur, ganso, bswartz, toabctl:  I'm a bit surprised, but the Tegile driver is much better than yesterday.  They met the previous deadlines, and their CI has been reporting for a while, so I think we owe them a shot at core reviews.  Anyone else available to help?  For a new driver, it's pretty simple and readable.23:40
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