Thursday, 2017-04-27

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openstackgerritShan Guo proposed openstack/keystone master: Revise doc about python 3.4  https://review.openstack.org/46038503:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystone master: Move endpoint group to DocumentedRuleDefault  https://review.openstack.org/44927311:14
openstackgerritayoung proposed openstack/keystone master: Expand the route tables to include a body key  https://review.openstack.org/45669211:22
openstackgerritayoung proposed openstack/keystone master: Route based RBAC Management Interface  https://review.openstack.org/40180811:22
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone-specs master: Outline policy goals  https://review.openstack.org/46034413:58
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lbragstadFYI - i'm going to be in and out today, communication with me might be hit or miss, I'll be parsing missed pings intermittently throughout the day14:06
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/oslo.policy master: Add Sphinx extension to pretty-print modules  https://review.openstack.org/46057214:12
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prashkrelbragstad:Hi Lance. On bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1684820. wat do you suggest? skipping role-assignment if user is not found in backend or like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458954/ update user with N/A14:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1684820 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "GET /role_assignments?include_names API is blocked with 404 error when a user doesn't exists in identity backend" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Kristi Nikolla (knikolla)14:55
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dstanekprashkre: without researching it more deeply that's what i would expect15:00
dstaneklbragstad: rodrigods: this is probably something that only exists because we have handle FKs properly15:00
prashkredstanek: you mean the one which is proposed in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458954/?15:03
prashkredstanek: sorry.. I have asked query with 2 choices 1) skipping role-assignment if user is not found in backend 2)  update user with N/A like in proposed solution... which is the best one do you think?15:05
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rodrigodsdstanek, sorry, lost the convo15:07
dstanekprashkre: i just weighed in on the review15:08
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dstanekrodrigods: basically the role assignments may exist for users that don't15:09
rodrigodsdstanek, ah, right15:09
rodrigodsthis can be changed with the shadow users approach15:09
dstanekrodrigods: yeah, we just need to add some data integrity15:10
dstanekprashkre: i don't think we should hide the data. maybe seeing empty assignments would trigger someone to fix them15:11
prashkredstanek: I agree with you.15:12
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dstanekprashkre: we should probably fix the bug too :-)15:23
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/keystoneauth master: WIP: Introduce keystoneauth1.loading.adapter  https://review.openstack.org/46033715:47
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edmondswjamielennox, any thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460337 ?16:26
edmondswsprung out of comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45825716:26
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ayoungedmondsw, middle of his night17:00
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openstackgerritayoung proposed openstack/keystone master: Refactor Authorization:  https://review.openstack.org/38716117:19
openstackgerritayoung proposed openstack/keystone master: Refactor is_admin  https://review.openstack.org/38771017:19
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edmondswayoung, yeah, I know, but I saw he's online and you never know with jamie...17:35
openstackgerritayoung proposed openstack/keystone master: Refactor is_admin  https://review.openstack.org/38771017:36
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ayoungHear you nothing that I say?17:48
ayoungWho decided it would be a good idea to hardcode the role check everywhere?17:49
ayounglbragstad, stevemar you guys really do not pay attention.17:51
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lbragstadayoung ?17:51
ayoungI am very angry right now.  And you two +2ed the patch responsivle17:51
ayounghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/435609/17:51
ayounglbragstad, If I had not submitted the is_admin fix I would understand17:51
ayoungbut you ignored it17:51
ayoungand now it is even harder to fix17:51
ayoungI just looked at the details of that patch, and the role checks are now embedded in code17:52
ayoungand that is exactly what I was afraid other projects would do17:52
ayoungbut I figured at least you were paying attention17:52
ayoungputting the scope check in code is the right thing to do, not the role17:53
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ayoungand burying the definitino of is_admin_required ...17:53
ayoungOK,  I can work with that, as the fix is to edit the RuleDefault17:53
lbragstadayoung part of the rationale of putting the policy checks in code was to make it so that we can write tooling that allows us to change it, like how we use deprecated functionality of oslo.config to advertise changing configuration options17:54
ayounglbragstad, and I was ok with that.  But the part of the policy that was supposed to go in code was the scope check only17:55
ayounginstead, we codified the policy.json default that henrynash has been trying to deprecate for years now17:55
lbragstadayoung we moved the *default* into code17:55
ayounglbragstad, we moved bad defaults into code17:55
lbragstadand because of that we can advertise deprecation and change using normal software mechanisms17:56
lbragstadayoung i am in no way advertising what we moved into code as the end-all-be-all default's we will have forever17:56
ayoungTHat is the wrong rationale17:56
ayoungwe want to move the scope check into code so people can't break it17:56
ayoungthe role check, OTOH, is what people should be modifying17:56
lbragstadayoung otherwise we don't have a sane way to tell operators things are changing17:56
ayoungOK...let me see how hard it is to rebase the patch that I submitted 6 months ago and that should have gone in before this work17:57
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ayoungwhich solves an actual long standing security concern17:58
ayoungNeed to straighten out the priorities here.17:58
lbragstadayoung the spec was up for review, i asked for reviews, it merged 5 weeks ago17:59
ayounglbragstad, I know. And I posted my shit a long ass time ago and it got nickeld and dimed away17:59
lbragstadit was communicated in the policy meetings, it was communicated in the weekly team meetings17:59
ayoungI don't have the ability to do this full time any more17:59
ayounglbragstad, none of that process excuses ignoring not actually understanding the problem.18:00
ayoungprocess is not a replacement for understanding.18:00
lbragstadayoung excuse me but i am not ignoring anything, i understand this is something that is important to you and i'm willing to work with you on it but the feeling has to be mutual.18:01
ayounglbragstad, are you willing to close this "Won't fix" https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/96869618:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 968696 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adam Young (ayoung)18:02
ayoungbecause that is what you are ignoring18:02
ayoungan active bug fix for a security issue that is one of the oldest in our database18:03
ayoungthat should be a stop ship18:03
ayoungit should be a CVE it is so damn bad, but we've lived with it this long that people just accept it is not a big deal18:03
ayoungand I put a log of goddamn work into fixing it, as did jamielennox18:04
ayoungand that should have taken priority18:04
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lbragstadI have not stated that we won't fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/968696 in any way, shape, or form since I've started dedicating time to policy work18:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 968696 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adam Young (ayoung)18:06
lbragstadI feel that to be rushing to conclusions18:06
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/keystone master: Cleanup policy generation  https://review.openstack.org/45866618:21
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dstanekayoung's motion to won't fix, seconded18:52
dstanekall in favor?18:52
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edmondswdstanek I'm opposed to won't fix there19:02
edmondswhighly opposed19:03
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edmondswayoung, I think you're misunderstanding the policy-in-code effort... it has no detrimental impact on 968696.19:06
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efriedjamielennox Thanks for the review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460337/20:36
efriedjamielennox For some context, the plan is to consume it in nova via https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458257/20:36
efried...which I am in the process of updating to use the new keystoneauth stuff.20:37
efriedThinking once that's scrubbed a bit more, it'll make the consumption model clearer.20:37
efriedI do have a question for you (and/or mordred, and/or not-sure-who-else) about whether it's still possible to have more than one endpoint for a service.20:38
mordredefried: it is possible - but should be considered an essentially broken cloud20:41
mordredor - that the person consuming the service hasn't provided enough filters20:42
efriedmordred This stems from the fact that [glance]api_servers takes multiple URLs, and the code cycles through them at random whenever an endpoint is requested.20:42
efriedmordred Some kind of load balancing?20:42
mordredso on the nova consume side of things, the "grab the list of returned endpoints and pick one at random" should be skippable20:42
efriedmordred Yeah, I mainly did that to accomodate glance per above.20:43
mordredefried: right. that was an idea someone had back in teh day with nova and it's best left to the dustbin of history20:43
mordredefried: yah - totally. that is not how that will be registered with keystone20:43
mordredin the catalog, there should be one endpoint returned20:43
efriedmordred Okay, so nobody's going to scream if we "break backward compatibility" by no longer supporting multiple glance endpoints?20:43
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mordredefried: I do not believe so, no. I have encountered many strange and terrible things across all the openstack clouds - so far nobody has returned more than one endpoint for a service in the service_catalog :)20:44
efriedmordred Cool.  Though note that [glance] was never using the service_catalog.20:44
mordredefried: if they do scream, I'm happy to scream back at them20:44
mordredefried: exactly20:44
efriedHeh, you're on record now; I'll gladly defer screaming matches to you ;-)20:45
mordredefried: bring em on :)20:45
efriedMebbe I send a note to openstack-dev asking for pre-screams.20:46
efriedPer blueprint direction, api_servers will still be supported in pike, so they'll have time to warm up their vocals.  Worst case, we continue to support that one past pike.20:47
mordredefried, jamielennox: just responded to the ksa review with a little context from my POV20:50
mordredthat might help the intent make sense for jamielennox20:50
efriedmordred Thanks.  Also once I've reswizzled the nova change set.  I'm hoping we can KISS for consumers; if I understood jamielennox's suggestions, it would be pretty heavy weight for everyone to have to subclass a ServiceClient.20:53
efriedmordred I do still have questions about how to use os-client-config.  Is this the right channel for that?  Or #openstack-oslo?  Or...?20:54
mordredefried: yes- I do not think we need to do that - that's why I put in that context - what/where we're wanting to use it I think keeps that a bit simpler20:54
efriedCool20:54
mordredefried: either #openstack-sdks or #openstack-shade - maybe #openstack-sdks20:54
efriedjoining...20:54
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