Wednesday, 2016-06-01

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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: Config settings to support PCI-DSS  https://review.openstack.org/31467902:13
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: Add password table columns to meet PCI-DSS change password requirements  https://review.openstack.org/31428402:15
openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: PCI-DSS Change password requirements  https://review.openstack.org/32015602:15
openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: WIP - PCI-DSS Password strength requirements  https://review.openstack.org/32058602:15
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stevemarnotmorgan: just reading the meeting minutes now, and i <3 dolphm's solution to the datacentre problem04:02
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stevemarjlk: commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/155562904:57
openstackLaunchpad bug 1555629 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "v3/users reports all users in all domains excepts when domain_specific_drivers_enabled is set to true." [Undecided,New]04:57
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srushtisheel: Hi, I want to discuss regarding bug 1586031.09:47
openstackbug 1545736 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "duplicate for #1586031 keystone role create failed when 4 byte unicode character is provided in name field" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545736 - Assigned to Sheel Rana (ranasheel2000)09:47
sheelsrushti: yes tell me09:47
srushtiAre you working to implement the specs for unicode support in MySql?09:49
sheelI have one spec for cross component09:50
sheelwhich is still in discussion09:51
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sheelyou can refer same here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280371/09:51
patchbotsheel: patch 280371 - openstack-specs - Support for 4-byte unicode characters in MySQL09:51
srushtiYes I have gone through the specs. It looks good but since it is still in progress and may take some time for implementation.09:54
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srushtisheel: And user may still face issue until it is implemented. Why not fix this issue at keystone-side?09:55
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sheelsrushti: yep, its ok09:56
srushtisheel: I have already fixed this issue and the patch is ready. Should i push it for community review?09:57
sheelsrushti: yep, great.. please go ahead09:58
sheeli will be happy to review it..09:58
srushtisheel: Yes sure.Thank you.09:58
sheelsrushti: np09:58
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rmizunoHi, i have a question.10:15
rmizunoIn my understanding ,reseller phase 2 will be implemented of the hierarchy of the projects acting as domain.10:16
rmizunoWill it be realized in newton?10:16
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henrynash_rmizuno: no, I doubt it10:18
henrynash_rmizuno: …and the reason is that in order to really do it securely, we need a few other things to drop into place, e.g. making sure that admin is scoped properly across all the services, and other things like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31004810:20
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openstackgerritMikhail Nikolaenko proposed openstack/keystone: Added app for policy enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/31752910:25
rmizunoI see. Is the implementation postponed after ocata?10:28
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openstackgerritMikhail Nikolaenko proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Alternative policy enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/32379110:55
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openstackgerritSamuel de Medeiros Queiroz proposed openstack/keystonemiddleware: Support local config options  https://review.openstack.org/32188212:05
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samueldmqraildo: hi, see my comment in patch 25443612:19
patchbotsamueldmq: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254436/ - keystone - Adding role assignment lists unit tests12:19
samueldmqraildo: feel free to pick that up and submit the test for the negative case12:20
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samueldmqstevemar: morning, about patch 322086, could you take a look at my comments, specially the one about keystone.conf.sample being copied as it is (rather than as keystone.conf)12:40
patchbotsamueldmq: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322086/ - keystone - Simplify & fix configuration file copy in setup.cfg12:40
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rderosestevemar rodrigods lbragstad henrynash dstanek For shadowing LDAP users, I decided to break this up into two patches, one for the refactoring I was doing and the other for the new functionality.  Unfortunately, I was having trouble doing this with git and ended just having to abandon the old patch and create new ones:13:23
rderosehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/323602/13:23
rderoseI apologize for the inconvenience.  I believe I've responded to all of your comments, however let me know if you have any questions.13:23
patchbotrderose: patch 323602 - keystone - Shadow LDAP and custom driver users13:23
rodrigodsrderose, sure... will take a look tonight13:28
rderoserodrigods: cool, thx13:29
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knikollamorning! o/14:02
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lbragstado/14:13
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andreafHi - I have an issue with v3 credentials when used to get tokens from a v2 endpoint - someone familiar with that that could help me?14:28
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andreafUsing v3 pre-provisioned creds in a v2 run breaks a number of x-user tests in tempest, such as create server with one user and delete it with another one, which succeeds but it's not supposed to - the same test works fine when executed pure v2 or pure v314:29
andreafbut I don't understand why - so I'm looking for any hint that might help14:29
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stevemarsamueldmq: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322086/3/setup.cfg are you referring to the logging and v3cloud policy being copied over?14:54
patchbotstevemar: patch 322086 - keystone - Simplify & fix configuration file copy in setup.cfg14:54
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samueldmqstevemar: yes, and also keystone.conf.sample was copied as keystone.conf15:03
samueldmqstevemar: but with that patch it will be copied to /etc/keystone.conf.sample ; and consequently keystone server won't find /etc/keystone.conf15:04
raildosamueldmq: hey, sorry, I was afk. sure I'll do that :)15:04
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samueldmqraildo: sure, np; thanks15:04
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stevemarsamueldmq: alright, want to revert the suggestions to the previous patch set?15:18
stevemarlooks like i was out voted on this one15:18
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notmorganstevemar: what were you out voted on?15:18
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stevemarnotmorgan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322086/315:19
patchbotstevemar: patch 322086 - keystone - Simplify & fix configuration file copy in setup.cfg15:19
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permalachello guys.15:33
permalacI have the admin and swift password of a keystone I have to use to federate, but I do not know the tenantID.15:34
permalacis there any way to get the tenantID with just this?15:34
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samueldmqstevemar: no worries. overall I don't think there is too much we can do in that patch15:39
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samueldmqstevemar: event the 1st patchset was removing the rename, which is necessary15:40
samueldmqnotmorgan: have you looked at it ? what do you think ?15:40
jlkstevemar: thanks, I responded.15:40
notmorgansamueldmq: no i have not yet15:40
samueldmqstevemar: so the big issue was not with your suggesiton (include * in etc/keystoen), but what the patch does since the beggining :)15:42
edmondswis there a way to tell the GET /v3/users API to return the response in pages of a given size, rather than all in one response?15:42
notmorganedmondsw: pagination is a real issue with things bavked to ldap15:44
notmorganbasically, no not reliabky especially if you use ldap bexause ldap is weird15:44
edmondsw:(15:44
notmorganthe answer is "use filteroing"15:44
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edmondswit's LDAP that I was thinking about15:44
edmondswnotmorgan what filtering? you mean in the conf?15:45
edmondswgroup and user filter in the conf?15:45
notmorganthe issue is ldap queries are different order every time and you bave to maintain an acyice cursor to go tk the next page15:45
notmorganit isnt strictky ordered like sql can be15:45
edmondswyeah15:45
notmorganfiktering on the query itself to users15:45
edmondswnotmorgan doesn't look like much filtering is supported there... just a) domain, b) usrename, c) enabled15:46
edmondswor is the api documentation out of date there?15:46
notmorganthere are some query strings15:46
notmorganbut i need to get off the phone to really look15:46
notmorganhard to do on this tiny screen15:47
notmorganedmondsw: henrynash_ might know more off the top of his head15:47
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notmorganedmondsw: but in short pagination ux is hard to do right. we might have more luck once the rest of shadow users lands15:48
henrynashwhat;s the question?15:49
edmondswtx15:49
edmondswhenrynash talking about filtering users... the API docs only say you can filter GET /v3/users by a) domain, b) username, c) enabled... are there more options?15:50
edmondswhenrynash or other ways to limit response sizes when you've got a lot of users in LDAP15:50
edmondswe.g. set user and group filter in conf15:50
edmondswand I see a list_limit conf setting that I haven't played with... looks like that will cause the list to be truncated if it goes over?15:51
henrynashedmondsw: yes, you can limit the number of entries being returned15:51
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notmorganbut that is just truncating15:52
edmondswhenrynash how? with list_limit conf setting, or is there an API query param?15:52
henrynashnotmorganL : yes15:52
henrynashedmondsw: I *think* it;s just a config limit15:52
notmorganhenrynash: it is15:52
notmorganthe filtering qs is i think what edmondsw is looking for15:53
edmondswis there any indication in the API response that it was truncated?15:53
henrynashedmondsw: yes, there is  a “truncated” flag added to the collection15:53
edmondswok, tx for the info15:53
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knikollastevemar: thanks for reviewing the devstack plugin. :)15:54
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openstackgerritKristi Nikolla proposed openstack/keystone: Devstack plugin for Federation  https://review.openstack.org/32062316:07
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: Config settings to support PCI-DSS  https://review.openstack.org/31467916:25
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nisha_hey all!16:26
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: Config settings to support PCI-DSS  https://review.openstack.org/31467916:27
KevinEI've got a question. For things like rally testing, there are all of the tests organized by keystone/authenticate/neutron etc. How do I make the call that I want to add a category (what are those called? Services?) and then put some tests in it16:29
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: Config settings to support PCI-DSS  https://review.openstack.org/31467916:38
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: Config settings to support PCI-DSS  https://review.openstack.org/31467917:03
amakarovrderose, you must be hating me already, sorry for that :)17:07
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rderoseamakarov: no, not at all.  I like improving things :)17:08
amakarovrderose, I'm writhing a patch based on this one right now :)17:09
openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone: Config settings to support PCI-DSS  https://review.openstack.org/31467917:09
rderoseamakarov: ah, nice :)17:10
rderoseamakarov: just set the default to 1800 seconds17:10
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amakarovrderose, great! +1 and I'll rebase on it in minutes!17:11
rderoseamakarov: do you know if anyone is working on that keystone-coverage-db error?17:11
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amakarovrderose, no. wandering that too :)17:12
rderoseamakarov: okay :)17:12
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openstackgerritAlexander Makarov proposed openstack/keystone: WIP/DNM Add failed auth attempts logic to meet PCI-DSS  https://review.openstack.org/32402917:16
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openstackgerritAlexander Makarov proposed openstack/keystone: WIP/DNM Add failed auth attempts logic to meet PCI-DSS  https://review.openstack.org/32402917:17
amakarovrderose, a draft for failed attempts ^17:17
amakarovcan you please review and comment on the concept?17:18
rderoseamakarov: sure.  in the middle of something now, but will look at this soon.17:18
rderoseamakarov: and thank you for helping out with this17:18
amakarovrderose, It'll be really good to know I'm doing that in right place :) I'm introducing a new manager & driver there...17:20
rderoseamakarov: okay.  do we really need a driver for this?  I mean, do we really see clients creating their own custom driver for auto lockout?17:21
rderoseamakarov: I don't think so17:21
rderoseamakarov: I think this should be like a library and only implemented in sql17:21
rderoseamakarov: so you need a backend, I just don't think it needs to be implemented in a way that allows a custom driver.17:24
rderoseamakarov: anyway, I'll take a closer look later and give you feedback.17:25
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystoneauth: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/32389317:50
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knikollarderose: quick question off the top of my head. account disabling when a password expires applies to the admin too?17:56
rderoseknikolla: yes, it would apply to admins17:58
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knikollarderose: so there exists a specific case where database surgery is required to unlock admins.18:00
knikollarderose: in the case where no admin can do the unlocking.18:00
knikollarderose: this was just a random thought.18:01
bknudsonyou could unlock the admin user but they'd just get locked again by the attacker18:01
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rderoseknikolla: database surgery :)  hmm...  another admin would have to change the password.  or, if all admin passwords were expired, then yeah, they would have to either change the password created_at date directly in the database18:03
rderoseknikolla: or disable the password expires feature18:03
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knikollarderose: do you think it's worth handling this case with a keystone-manage command? i don't have any strong opinions18:05
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rderoseknikolla bknudson: sorry, I thought you were talking about user failing auth due to passwords expiring18:06
rderoseknikolla bknudson: we could add a feature to allow an admin to unlock a user, this might require a new API18:08
rderoseknikolla: maybe...18:09
rderoseknikolla: amakarov is working on this feature: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324029/18:10
patchbotrderose: patch 324029 - keystone - WIP/DNM Add failed auth attempts logic to meet PCI...18:10
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rderoseknikolla: but it's good point, we'll need a way for admins to unlock users18:11
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knikollarderose: i'm not sure of any implementation that would prevent abuse of the lockout feature on failed attempts (as bknudson said). so i was talking about expiring password which seems a more solveable issue. :P18:13
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rderoseknikolla: :)18:14
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rderoseknikolla: so yeah, if all admin passwords were expired, they could disable the password expires feature or hack into the db18:17
rderoseknikolla: not a very eloquent way of dealing with it; open to suggestions :)18:18
knikollarderose: suggestions range from: one sentence in the docs about this case and  encouraging people to change admin passwords (even service account for orchestration engines), to a keystone-manage cli command to reset the date or set a new password for an account.18:22
rderoseknikolla: I like the keystone-manage cli idea18:24
rderoseknikolla: I think we do want service account passwords to expire for some use cases, but we may want an option to filter these out so that service account passwords don't expire18:25
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knikollarderose: i think i'm against filtering.18:28
rderoseknikolla: why?18:29
rderoseknikolla: service accounts don't expire today18:29
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.policy: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/32390918:30
knikollarderose: sorry, i forgot to clarify. by service accounts i meant puppet,ansible and credentials people may use in their orchestration engines. i agree that nova/cinder/etc. shouldn't require enforcing.18:32
rderoseknikolla: I see18:32
knikollarderose: how will we identity the accounts which don't require enforcing? I don't think there is anything that sets them apart today?18:33
stevemarrderose: i'm wondering if we should have a list of user ids that aren't subject to compliance?18:34
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stevemarrderose: random thought while i was out for a walk18:34
knikollastevemar: that's what i was thinking too.18:34
stevemarknikolla: it's not a pretty solution, but it'll work18:35
rderoseknikolla stevemar: currently, we don't have a way to set them apart.  a list of user ids would be an option because you could add your service accounts, as well as specific admin accounts18:35
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-keystoneclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/32391718:36
rderoseknikolla stevemar: let me give it some thought, but I kind of like it :)18:36
knikollastevemar: it's actually quite elegant. it's explicit and requires no other assumptions.18:37
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openstackgerritDolph Mathews proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Mapping shadow users into projects and roles  https://review.openstack.org/32405518:40
knikollawill be impossible to prepopulate though, as the id will be different across installations.18:40
knikollaso will require some kind of script18:40
lbragstadrderose amakarov see dolphm's spec ^18:43
lbragstadamakarov that is the spec dolphm owes you from yesterday's meeting :)18:44
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rderoselbragstad: ++18:44
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lhchengexit18:51
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lhchengsorry, wrong window :)18:51
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KevinEagrebennikov: hello!19:04
agrebennikovhi there19:04
KevinEI'm getting an error in the formatting of this Json but I don't know enough to fix it. Can anyone take a look it's small http://pastebin.com/RCqXuCq319:06
bknudsonKevinE: https://jsonformatter.curiousconcept.com/ might hlep19:07
bknudsonhelp19:07
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KevinEYeah I can see where the error is, between the true and the }, but I just don't know what it wants me to do to fix it19:08
bknudsonKevinE: remove the trailing ,19:08
KevinEoh okay easy, thanks! Also is there any difference between True and true?19:09
bknudsonKevinE: here's the spec for JSON: http://www.json.org/19:09
bknudsonTrue is not valid JSON19:09
KevinEbknudson: great thanks for your help19:10
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openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed openstack/keystone: Simplify & fix configuration file copy in setup.cfg  https://review.openstack.org/32208619:33
lbragstadrderose around?19:34
rderoselbragstad: yeah, what's up19:34
lbragstadquick question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284943/4519:35
patchbotlbragstad: patch 284943 - keystone - Concrete role assignments for federated users19:35
lbragstadwe previously supported the ability to use groups for role assignment for federated users19:35
lbragstadwe are going to deprecate that in favor or always having concrete role assignments on shadowed users, right?19:36
rderoselbragstad: no, we'll support both, but relax the requirement that a federated user has to be mapped to a group19:37
dolphmlbragstad: why would we need to deprecate it?19:38
lbragstadI was hoping to get rid of https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/c90c525aacfb8a46677673d735a1dfec3f9e9c20/keystone/token/providers/fernet/core.py#L84-L13719:38
lbragstadbut if we are going to support role assignment via groups moving forward - then those methods will have to remain in place in order for Fernet to fill that requirement19:39
lbragstadwhich is fine - it was just something I thought about as i was review rderose's patch19:39
notmorganlbragstad: or dolphm ping (testing something in my irc setup)19:39
dolphmnotmorgan: pong19:39
lbragstadnotmorgan pong19:39
lbragstado/19:39
openstackgerritDolph Mathews proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Mapping shadow users into projects and roles  https://review.openstack.org/32405519:40
notmorganhmm ok bell isnt working. will fix soon19:40
rderoselbragstad: we'll drop support for "federated" tokens19:40
notmorganbut for android users: juicessh (mosh protocol) + tmux + weechat, is pretty good19:40
lbragstadrderose hmmmm in order for fernet tokens to work for groups and federation the group ids need to be packed into the fernet payload19:41
rderoselbragstad: I didn't say it was going to be easy :)19:42
lbragstadrderose hah i was looking for easy19:42
rderoselbragstad: yeah, I don't the impact yet, but that is part of the spec to drop support for federated tokens19:42
lbragstadas in not support group membership :)19:42
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rderoselbragstad: as in removing the group ids from the unscoped token19:45
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lbragstadrderose ah - i see what you mean19:46
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lbragstadrderose i'm thinking about removing the Federated payload from the Fernet provider (i.e. getting rid of the fernet token bloat problem)19:46
lbragstadrderose what's the reason for this guy being WIP? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296639/19:48
patchbotlbragstad: patch 296639 - keystone - WIP - Drop EPHEMERAL user type19:48
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lbragstadis it waiting for other changes to land first?19:48
rderoselbragstad: I started this, but then did sort of reset as it was changing the API.  So I'm sort of backtracking and thinking that this will be some refactoring; trying to get to treating federated users like any other user19:50
rderoselbragstad: but been caught up in the PCI stuff19:50
rderoselbragstad: no, it's not dependent on any other patches19:51
lbragstadrderose gotcah19:51
rderoselbragstad: this one is ready :) #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320156/19:53
patchbotrderose: patch 320156 - keystone - PCI-DSS Change password requirements19:53
lbragstadrderose sweet - it's on deck19:53
lbragstadi'll review it next19:53
rderoselbragstad: cool19:53
openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Drop Support for Driver Versioning  https://review.openstack.org/32408119:57
openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Drop Support for Driver Versioning  https://review.openstack.org/32408120:00
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SamYapleare subdomains implemented in keystone? I thought they were but this code disagrees... https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/resource/core.py#L107-11020:06
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Drop Support for Driver Versioning  https://review.openstack.org/32408120:09
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dolphmbefore i go dig too deep, anyone know if keystoneclient / keystoneauth request content compression (like accept-encoding: gzip) in requests to keystone?20:37
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openstackgerritwerner mendizabal proposed openstack/keystone: Support encryption of credentials in Keystone  https://review.openstack.org/31716920:53
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Drop Support for Driver Versioning  https://review.openstack.org/32408120:53
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openstackgerritRoxana Gherle proposed openstack/keystone: Return 404 instead of 401 for tokens w/o roles  https://review.openstack.org/32228020:59
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openstackgerritRoxana Gherle proposed openstack/keystone: Return 404 instead of 401 for tokens w/o roles  https://review.openstack.org/32228021:01
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henrynashdolphm: hi21:11
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notmorgandolphm: afaik it doesn't support that yet(now).21:24
notmorgandolphm: i'd totally be for adding that21:24
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Drop Support for Driver Versioning  https://review.openstack.org/32408121:40
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stevemarrderose: yay for rm driver versioning!21:44
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rderosestevemar: ++21:44
stevemarrderose: it's become burdensome21:45
rodrigods+100021:45
rderosestevemar: yeah, totally. I just don't like the approach and wonder if it's actually helping anyone21:45
stevemarrderose: yeah, i really question it's usefulness *shrugs*21:46
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lhchengstevemar: did operators found it not useful? or no feedback at all?21:56
openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Drop Support for Driver Versioning  https://review.openstack.org/32408121:57
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rderoselhcheng: see Dolph's comment #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324081/22:01
patchbotrderose: patch 324081 - keystone-specs - Drop Support for Driver Versioning22:01
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openstackgerritRon De Rose proposed openstack/keystone-specs: Drop Support for Driver Versioning  https://review.openstack.org/32408122:18
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jamielennoxdolphm: it will default to whatever requests does, but you can pass that through headers if you need it somewhere22:20
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rderoseamakarov: I didn't get a chance to review your patch today, I'll do it first thing tomorrow morning (San Antonio time that is) :)22:23
lhchengrderose: interesting, thanks!22:27
rderoselhcheng: np22:29
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notmorganstevemar: it was far more useful/important when we had many folks doing custom drivers23:16
notmorganstevemar: it seems that we have reduced that number by existing longer than the BUs doing custom backend drivers.23:16
notmorganlhcheng: operators *cough* HP *cough* found it useful23:17
lhchengnotmorgan:  lol I have the same *cough* :P23:19
lhchengadded guang in the patch23:19
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystone: Add .mo files to MANIFEST.in  https://review.openstack.org/31852723:29
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jamielennoxdidn't we only just do versioned drivers?23:43
bknudsonjamielennox: we've had versioned drivers for a couple of releases23:44
jamielennoxa couple now? ok23:44
notmorganjamielennox: yeah since... kilo?23:45
notmorganjamielennox: i think.23:45
jamielennoxyea, i guess that sounds right, just still felt kind of new to be killing it :)23:46
notmorganjamielennox: well if it isn't providing value *shrug*23:46
jamielennoxoh, yea, if no one wants them scrap it23:47
bknudsonwho was asking for it to begin with?23:47
bknudsonit's part of keystone's interface so seems like it should be stable just like other interfaces23:47
openstackgerritMerged openstack/keystonemiddleware: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/32389423:51
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stevemarjamielennox: oh, you gonna tag a keystone release?23:57
jamielennoxstevemar: i have had no contact from people on that23:58
jamielennoxwhen's it due?23:58
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stevemarjamielennox: it's this week, bunch of other projects have already tagged stuff: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/releases23:58
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* jamielennox failing like the only job 23:59
stevemarjamielennox: i meant to bug you about that earlier... :P23:59
stevemarhehe23:59
stevemarno worries23:59

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