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| morganfainberg | hogepodge, us keystone folks are all here | 00:30 |
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| hogepodge | Hello! | 00:31 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek_dinner has been doing the password rotation stuff, hogepodge, should should talk to him when he's back about irt | 00:32 |
| morganfainberg | it* | 00:32 |
| morganfainberg | if you need the extra functionality | 00:32 |
| hogepodge | It's just something that's nice. | 00:32 |
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| morganfainberg | hogepodge, likely the ability to set a password hash should be it's own API call (admin only) or an extension | 00:32 |
| hogepodge | For context for others here, I help maintain the puppet-openstack modules. | 00:32 |
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| morganfainberg | not a side effect of some special incarnation of just user update | 00:33 |
| hogepodge | When we manage users with puppet passwords wind up being stored in plaintext in manifests. I'd like to store hashes instead, but that means allowing admin reading and writing of that in the keystone api. | 00:33 |
| morganfainberg | hogepodge, yeah i think it could be done. | 00:34 |
| morganfainberg | hogepodge, but should be very explicit to be managed that way not the typical password set way, if that makes sense | 00:34 |
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| dstanek | hogepodge: would you need to read the hashes too? | 00:37 |
| hogepodge | dstanek, yeah, we would need to detect config changes | 00:52 |
| dstanek | hogepodge: to know when the password has been changed? | 00:53 |
| hogepodge | yes | 00:54 |
| hogepodge | This is something I'd be willing do devote time/effort to, but I don't want to come into a project and just start stomping around. | 00:56 |
| hogepodge | At least, not a project I like. | 00:57 |
| dstanek | hogepodge: so you have a hash stored in puppet and then you'd like to check to see if that's still the current password hash? | 00:59 |
| hogepodge | Yes, and if it's changed, be able to update with the new hash. | 01:00 |
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| hogepodge | We do something similar with sql, where we read the user tables and update the hashes if necessary. There's a function that computes the hash for us so we can have some confidence that it's valid. | 01:01 |
| dstanek | hogepodge: if the end state is that you always want it set to a particular value can't you just set it and not retrieve? | 01:03 |
| hogepodge | We could do that. It would mean calling out to keystone every time a configuration run is done, which in some instances can be as frequent as every 30 minutes. I know of installations where there are hundreds of users being managed, so it could turn into a bottleneck. | 01:06 |
| hogepodge | I guess that has to happen anyway, but write vs read. | 01:07 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75549/ | 01:08 |
| hogepodge | Out for the evening. Have a great weekend. | 01:08 |
| bknudson | there's some fixmes in there but that's what I think I'll get done today | 01:08 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ nice! | 01:10 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: it was easy to update the config! | 01:10 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, :) | 01:10 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yay! | 01:10 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'm trying to protect my record actually. Most patches in a review is still the Trusts review from this time last year. | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, lol | 01:36 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, its all of the cleanup code for stuff like config and openstack DB that is killing me right now. THings keep changing out from under me. Keeping up with it is a full time job. | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, really, i thought oauth beat that (not inc. separate testing patch in trusts) | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i know. i'm holding on test config stuff until post I3 | 01:37 |
| ayoung | did it? thought it was close, but not quite | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and more paralleltesting changes for just that reason | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, .. 68 or 72 patches i thinkg | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | was steve's | 01:37 |
| ayoung | just saw that the revoke by tree commit failed... | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, =/ | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i expect i'll be looking over the revocation extension again this weekend | 01:38 |
| ayoung | last_fetch ... ah dagnabit | 01:38 |
| ayoung | its a legit failure based on changin the name of a parameter.... | 01:39 |
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| ayoung | please do | 01:41 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, at a glance it looks pretty good | 01:45 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but haven't done the deeeeeeep dive | 01:45 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, so... | 02:05 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, nkinder if I have say 2 ldap servers for failover (master / alt) in keystone what is the best way to failover ? or more to the point python-ldap | 02:06 |
| morganfainberg | because i don't see a clear way to do that -- i might just be missing something in the code base | 02:06 |
| ayoung | you mean, how to keep keystone pointing at a valid server if one dies | 02:06 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yep | 02:06 |
| ayoung | um...load balancer? | 02:07 |
| morganfainberg | between keystone and the ldap server? | 02:07 |
| ayoung | why not | 02:07 |
| ayoung | you could do it with DNS tricks....round robin if you are cheap | 02:07 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, hmm. | 02:07 |
| ayoung | But I should not be answering this question | 02:07 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sure. | 02:07 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i was just curious if we had something implemented on that front in keystone | 02:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, you answered what i needed to hear though | 02:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, thnx | 02:08 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, asked rcrit to come on over, he might have a better idea | 02:08 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: I'm not sure that python-ldap has failover built in. | 02:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, cool. thnx. brb, spilled something | 02:08 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: you want to define multiple servers for failover, not LB, right? | 02:09 |
| nkinder | I haven't looked at how keytone does connection management to LDAP yet | 02:10 |
| nkinder | Does it leave a connection open? | 02:10 |
| ayoung | can you do something with pacemaker? | 02:11 |
| ayoung | http://www.zivtech.com/blog/setting-ip-failover-heartbeat-and-pacemaker-ubuntu-lucid | 02:12 |
| ayoung | no, we don't leave the connection open. We do a simple bind, and use that connection each time. | 02:13 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, ideallty | 02:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, the use case is AD with multiple servers serving the data, but they are geographically distributed and any one may or may not be up | 02:14 |
| nkinder | ayoung: yuck | 02:14 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, ^ | 02:14 |
| ayoung | yuck to pacemaker? | 02:14 |
| nkinder | ayoung: yuck to a new connection per operation | 02:14 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, ++ | 02:14 |
| ayoung | or to using the users connection to connect to LDAP | 02:14 |
| ayoung | well, I was young and needed the money | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | anyway. this was just a question of what we had done | 02:15 |
| ayoung | actually, I was thinking that we would use the users permissions on the LDAP server to enforce what they could and could not do | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | and what python-ldap does | 02:15 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: it shouldn't be too hard to write failover logic around python-ldap | 02:15 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, sure, but we can't use SIGALRM | 02:15 |
| nkinder | ayoung: you can do that. You can rebind on a connection | 02:15 |
| nkinder | no need to trash it each time | 02:15 |
| ayoung | nkinder, then we would need a connection pool, right? | 02:16 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, my first thought was to use some alarm magic | 02:16 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, but that breaks in mod_wsgi | 02:16 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, i'll stew on this, it's relevant for my up coming deployments moving to Icehouse keystone | 02:16 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, and i can see some benefit to offering it to others | 02:16 |
| nkinder | ayoung: a pool would be nice | 02:16 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, do pools work well under mod_wsgi? | 02:17 |
| ayoung | maybe with a slide and a swim up bar...are we still talking code? | 02:17 |
| morganfainberg | or would we just not use pool in that case, assuming per-process single connection? | 02:17 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: not familiar with mod_wsgi | 02:18 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, *nod* | 02:18 |
| nkinder | a single connection would be OK too depending on the operation load | 02:18 |
| nkinder | but, it would serialize everything... | 02:18 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, mod_wsgi runs multiple keystones | 02:18 |
| ayoung | nkinder, I'd ask rcrit what they did in FreeIPA. | 02:18 |
| ayoung | mod_wsgi in prefork mode.... | 02:19 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, aye | 02:19 |
| morganfainberg | even in worker, you do get more than _one_ process iirc | 02:19 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, thanks for weiging in | 02:21 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: sure. It's an area I'd be interested to look into/work on if I can manage the time. | 02:22 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, it would be awesome to have it if you do have some cyccles to spend on it | 02:22 |
| nkinder | this weekend is shot catching up with work, but maybe next week sometime | 02:23 |
| morganfainberg | cool | 02:23 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: keep me in the loop if you start looking at it | 02:23 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, sure! | 02:23 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, there is a pool mechanism in Apache already. Not sure if it does LDAP...lets see | 02:25 |
| ayoung | Hmm JAva...think it is for Tomcat | 02:25 |
| nkinder | ayoung, morganfainberg: interesting... https://github.com/mozilla-services/ldappool | 02:26 |
| nkinder | no idea how well it works | 02:27 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/mozilla-services/ldappool/blob/master/ldappool/__init__.py | 02:27 |
| ayoung | thats pretty much it | 02:27 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, oh yeah | 02:28 |
| ayoung | lemme see what we actually do.... | 02:28 |
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| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/ldap/core.py#L484 | 02:28 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/ldap/core.py#L228 | 02:30 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, probaby wouldn't be hard to put some pool logic / use mozilla pool in there | 02:31 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: just be careful to rebind as the user and check the result always | 02:31 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, *nod* | 02:31 |
| nkinder | pools are often used where all connections are bound as a single application user | 02:32 |
| ayoung | what is handler in there.... | 02:32 |
| ayoung | nkinder, we do: see https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/ldap/core.py#L228 | 02:32 |
| ayoung | but what calls register_handler | 02:33 |
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| ayoung | ah..you can register and return a handler, but the default is LdapWrapper | 02:34 |
| ayoung | I didn;t write that, it came over from Nova | 02:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it's so we can use fakeldap | 02:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, right? | 02:34 |
| ayoung | yeah. | 02:34 |
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| ayoung | but we could register a pool mechanism in there if we wanted, too | 02:35 |
| ayoung | except for all of the logic that has crawled into LdapWrapper | 02:35 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yeah | 02:35 |
| ayoung | seems to me we want to push that to a different level. | 02:36 |
| ayoung | Bridge pattern | 02:36 |
| ayoung | AAAAHHHH! | 02:45 |
| ayoung | cannot keep patch versions right | 02:46 |
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| morganfainberg | ughnmsadjfnsdjhf | 04:18 |
| morganfainberg | i mean ugh | 04:18 |
| morganfainberg | trying to setup keystone in devstack under httpd on port 80 | 04:18 |
| morganfainberg | yeaaaah | 04:18 |
| morganfainberg | this is "fun"* | 04:18 |
| morganfainberg | * = certain values of fun...mostly unfun | 04:18 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox|away did a good job of setting up keystone under apache but still on port 5000 and 35357 | 04:19 |
| morganfainberg | doesn't really solve our port issue / follow the example httpd config though | 04:19 |
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