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| ianw | clarkb: here's the commands it runs via debug -> http://paste.openstack.org/show/752198/ | 00:12 |
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| clarkb | the ruby must be chosing the ref then | 00:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed zuul/nodepool master: Add error handling when cleaning up resources https://review.opendev.org/661866 | 01:04 |
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| ianw | May 29 00:08:30 ze01 puppet-user[2977]: (Facter) fact "project_config_ref" has resolved to "1e6705f722355537e08a0187dfc957949389dc09". | 01:39 |
| ianw | i'm getting closer ... | 01:39 |
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| ianw | basically, puppet-project_config & ergo puppet-vcsrepo appears to be doing what we're telling it to do | 01:40 |
| ianw | {"project_config_ref": "1e6705f722355537e08a0187dfc957949389dc09"} .... /etc/facter/facts.d/ansible.json | 01:41 |
| clarkb | oh interesting so we tell them a ref too? | 01:42 |
| clarkb | I wonder if we did that before and then stopped but the facts weren't overwritten? | 01:43 |
| clarkb | maybe? | 01:43 |
| ianw | i'm not seeing where we currently set facts.d/ansible.json ... so yeah maybe it has disappeared | 01:44 |
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| clarkb | I think ansible-role-puppet writes that out | 01:45 |
| ianw | -rw------- 1 root root 66 Apr 20 03:00 /etc/facter/facts.d/ansible.json | 01:45 |
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| ianw | another suspicious date :) | 01:45 |
| clarkb | but we should only set that fact for the git related things (review, zuul scheduler, and gitea) | 01:45 |
| ianw | right, so that does come via ansible-role-puppet library/puppet | 01:47 |
| ianw | i guess the possible explanation here is that somehow ~ 20 april during the transition puppet ran once with the "git" playbook against everything? | 01:48 |
| clarkb | mordred: I think my entry points change for osc is too good at finding entrypoints and now we have conflicting string options | 01:48 |
| clarkb | don't really understand that yet and will have to look tomorrow | 01:49 |
| ianw | no logs go back that far | 01:49 |
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| clarkb | ianw: its possible we did that as part of the migration to ensure that we got an up to date project-config everywhere | 01:50 |
| clarkb | not realizing it was then going to be stuck in time | 01:50 |
| clarkb | I think you can safely clear that out of a server and watch an ansible + puppet pulse and if it doesn't replace it we are set | 01:51 |
| clarkb | you don't want to do that for the servers where we rely on that commit pinning | 01:51 |
| clarkb | but elsewhere should be safe | 01:51 |
| ianw | yeah, i guess the question is was it done everywhere, or just on ze*? | 01:51 |
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| clarkb | if I had to guess it would likely be erstricted to services realted to the migration so cgit cluster, gerrit, zuul, etc | 01:52 |
| ianw | nb* and nl* don't have it, it seems | 01:52 |
| clarkb | neither does etherpad | 01:53 |
| clarkb | so ya was likely restricted to that set | 01:53 |
| ianw | zm* does | 01:54 |
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| ianw | it seems for a bootstrap approach here we could ensure in base that the ansible facts is removed; it seems if it is being used ,it should always be written out by ansible-role-puppet before run anyway | 01:59 |
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| ianw | i will think on that over some lunch but i think that gives the best chance of not missing anything | 02:00 |
| clarkb | or have ansible role puppet clear the file out if it doesn't have any facts to write | 02:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tristan Cacqueray proposed zuul/nodepool master: static: add host-key-checking toggle https://review.opendev.org/653679 | 02:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Tristan Cacqueray proposed zuul/nodepool master: static: enable using a single host with different user or port https://review.opendev.org/659209 | 02:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tristan Cacqueray proposed zuul/zuul master: model: add cleanup-run to the job configuration https://review.opendev.org/661880 | 03:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Tristan Cacqueray proposed zuul/zuul master: wip: executor: run cleanup playbook on stop https://review.opendev.org/661881 | 03:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Report tenant and project specific resource usage stats https://review.opendev.org/616306 | 04:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Fix typo in docs https://review.opendev.org/661886 | 04:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed opendev/ansible-role-puppet master: Clear out old facts https://review.opendev.org/661888 | 04:18 |
| ianw | clarkb / mordred: ^ when that applies, the new mirror update should then also flow through | 04:19 |
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| AJaeger | config-core, could I trouble you with reviewing a small cleanup, please? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661542/ | 05:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucian Petrut proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename x/compute-hyperv to openstack/compute-hyperv https://review.opendev.org/661682 | 06:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Tristan Cacqueray proposed zuul/zuul master: wip: executor: run cleanup playbook on stop https://review.opendev.org/661881 | 06:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Remove networking-l2gw jobs https://review.opendev.org/661542 | 06:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Exclude old distros from yum-puppetlabs mirror https://review.opendev.org/661860 | 06:49 |
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| slaweq | frickler: hi | 07:15 |
| slaweq | frickler: are You around? | 07:15 |
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| frickler | slaweq: I'm on and off, best just tell your story and then either me or someone else can respond when they have time | 08:17 |
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| slaweq | frickler: I wanted to ask to put one job in "on hold" but I don't need it for now | 08:19 |
| slaweq | frickler:so thx a lot :) | 08:20 |
| slaweq | if I will need anything, I will ping You later | 08:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul master: Report tenant and project specific resource usage stats https://review.opendev.org/616306 | 08:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Retire pbrx and opendev-website (step 3) https://review.opendev.org/661803 | 08:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Retire x/pbrx and openstack-infra/opendev-website (Step 1) https://review.opendev.org/661910 | 08:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/opendev-website master: Retire repo https://review.opendev.org/661911 | 08:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Remove unused ACLs https://review.opendev.org/661913 | 08:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Retire x/pbrx and openstack-infra/opendev-website (Step 1) https://review.opendev.org/661910 | 08:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Retire pbrx and opendev-website (step 3) https://review.opendev.org/661803 | 08:40 |
| AJaeger | mordred: I reworked the retirements and need your help with https://review.opendev.org/661914, could you fix the job, please? | 08:40 |
| lajoskatona | Hi, During mail address change it seems that in opendev gerrit I got 2 accounts with the same address (katonalala@gmail.com) and if anybody wants me to add as reviewer have this error msg: "Lajos Katona <katonalala@gmail.com> does not identify a registered user or group" | 08:40 |
| lajoskatona | Is there a way to clean this ugly situation? | 08:41 |
| AJaeger | lajoskatona: you need an admin to merge those - could you ask again in 5 hours here, please? | 08:43 |
| lajoskatona | AJaeger: thanks, I start a timer :-) | 08:47 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 08:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Slawek Kaplonski proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add role to fetch journal log from test node https://review.opendev.org/643733 | 08:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Retire x/pbrx and openstack-infra/opendev-website (Step 1) https://review.opendev.org/661910 | 09:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename opendev projects we missed https://review.opendev.org/657277 | 09:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Retire pbrx and opendev-website (step 3) https://review.opendev.org/661803 | 09:01 |
| AJaeger | frickler, mordred , could you review 661910, please? That allows us to do the next steps for these two repos.. | 09:02 |
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| slaweq | frickler: AJaeger: hi, I want to add fetching of journal log to the job logs, I proposed https://review.opendev.org/#/c/643733/ | 09:20 |
| slaweq | frickler: AJaeger can You check if that makes sense? and tell me if I can test it somehow with Depends-On patch, I try with https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661915/ but I'm not sure if depends-on will work here | 09:21 |
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| AJaeger | slaweq: depends-on should work on that one. I don't have time for an in-depth review right now, hope others can | 09:49 |
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| AJaeger | slaweq: so far we only included parts of the journal since it's far too large... | 09:50 |
| slaweq | AJaeger: I know that openstack services logs are extracted from journal, right? | 09:50 |
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| slaweq | AJaeger: but in case of neutron there are also other things like haproxy, keepalived, dnsmasq which are spawned by neutron agents and are logging to the journal | 09:51 |
| slaweq | so it would be nice to have all those logs too | 09:51 |
| AJaeger | slaweq: one invocation for each service? I put some links in to show what we do elsewhere... | 09:53 |
| slaweq | AJaeger: no, those services are spawned for each network or router | 09:54 |
| AJaeger | slaweq: others in the team might want to review it - and have strong opinions. I just wanted to give pointers for consideration... | 09:54 |
| slaweq | so there is many of them during the tests | 09:54 |
| slaweq | AJaeger: ok, thx I will look at links from You | 09:54 |
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| mordred | AJaeger: thanks! and poo - I'd forgotten that we were actually using pbrx somewhere ... let me dig in to that real quick | 11:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nir Magnezi proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Add version-less RHEL element for RHEL7 and RHEL8 https://review.opendev.org/643731 | 11:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nir Magnezi proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Deprecate rhel7 in favor of rhel https://review.opendev.org/647710 | 12:07 |
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| fungi | lajoskatona: i can take a look at your duplicate accounts now. i think it happens if you switch which e-mail address you log into login.ubuntu.com with, since that seems to determine the openid it passes. digging in the database it seems 8313 is your original account and 30513 is the new one created yesterday... i've moved the new openid to the old account in the database, set the new account | 12:30 |
| fungi | inactive and flushed the accounts and accounts_byemail caches. try logging out and back in to make sure things are working | 12:30 |
| lajoskatona | fungi: thanks, I do a try | 12:31 |
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| AJaeger | mordred: please take over my change ;) | 12:31 |
| lajoskatona | fungi: thanks, I have again one identity :-) | 12:32 |
| fungi | my pleasure. let us know if you need anything else | 12:32 |
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| mordred | AJaeger: I shall. thank you for making them | 12:45 |
| AJaeger | mordred: you're welcome | 12:47 |
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| rosmaita | hello ... where do we file bugs for gerrit-dash-creator ? the link in the contrib docs 404s: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gerrit-dash-creator , and i didn't see the project in storyboard | 13:12 |
| AJaeger | rosmaita: gerrit-dash-creator is not an official project and I think we never setup anything. Want to send a patch? | 13:13 |
| rosmaita | sure, what should i say about filing bugs? just that it's an informal project, just post a patch to gerrit? | 13:14 |
| AJaeger | rosmaita: yes, just post a patch... | 13:15 |
| AJaeger | rosmaita: thanks | 13:15 |
| rosmaita | btw, i don't know how to fix the bug i was going to file, namely that this is empty: https://gerrit-dash-creator.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dashboards/index.html | 13:15 |
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| AJaeger | rosmaita: mmh, might need to ask sdague about this... | 13:16 |
| AJaeger | rosmaita: I'll sent him an email... | 13:18 |
| rosmaita | AJaeger: is he still around? actually, ianw did a commit about building the readthedocs stuff: https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator/commit/16fef44f00e8db6786799842a25edce6bc505e18 | 13:18 |
| openstackgerrit | boden proposed openstack/project-config master: fix neutron-lib grafana dashboard https://review.opendev.org/661977 | 13:19 |
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| AJaeger | rosmaita: I would try an old email - but let's ask ianw first in this case | 13:20 |
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| rosmaita | ianw: ^^ | 13:20 |
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| ildikov | Hi Infra team | 13:38 |
| ildikov | I have an open review to create a mailing list with a +2 on it: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/660485/ | 13:38 |
| ildikov | I would be very thankful if another core could take a look as well :) | 13:39 |
| rosmaita | AJaeger: https://review.opendev.org/661982 | 13:40 |
| ildikov | fungi: thanks!! :) | 13:41 |
| fungi | you bet! | 13:41 |
| AJaeger | thanks, rosmaita. ianw do you agree with 661982 ? | 13:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 13:59 |
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| corvus | #status log enabled low query log on storyboard with long query time of 1.0 seconds | 14:15 |
| openstackstatus | corvus: finished logging | 14:15 |
| corvus | in modern mysql, you can do that without a config change, so i just used the shell and ran: set global long_query_time=1; set global slow_query_log='on'; | 14:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Adding new ML for the NBMP group https://review.opendev.org/660485 | 14:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 14:27 |
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| ildikov | fungi: as the ML is an opendev one, will it show up here: http://lists.opendev.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo ? | 14:31 |
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| fungi | ildikov: yes | 14:37 |
| fungi | once configuration management applies it (which will likely be another 15-30 minutes out) | 14:37 |
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| ildikov | sounds good, thanks! | 14:38 |
| fungi | ildikov: the list owner (looks like it's you) should also get an e-mail notification when it's created, i think, so you shouldn't need to keep checking the webui | 14:40 |
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| ildikov | fungi: cool, I didn't know that. Will look out for the mail :) | 14:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed opendev/irc-meetings master: Update repository name in eavesdrop.o.o main page https://review.opendev.org/662009 | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 14:48 |
| clarkb | ttx has acked 661385 if others want to review it now | 14:49 |
| corvus | i just +3d it and child | 14:49 |
| corvus | clarkb, fungi, mordred: can you take a look at https://review.opendev.org/661370 to add gitea docs (mostly so we have haproxy docs)? | 14:50 |
| corvus | https://review.opendev.org/656808 is neat, i didn't know it was so easy to add extra tabs | 14:52 |
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| clarkb | last night I remembered we should increase the gerrit startup timeout before renaming friday. I'll try to get a change up for that today | 14:54 |
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| clarkb | corvus: one thing on the gitea change | 15:02 |
| mordred | corvus: that is neat. while we're at it, we should land: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/653946/ | 15:03 |
| corvus | mordred: ah, yeah, that change has been lurking around for a while, eh? :) | 15:05 |
| mordred | corvus: yah - it got backed up behind all of the actual fixing of the image builds :) | 15:05 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed opendev/system-config master: Add gitea docs https://review.opendev.org/661370 | 15:06 |
| corvus | clarkb: thx ^ mordred | 15:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed opendev/puppet-gerrit master: Increase Gerrit startup timeout to 300 seconds https://review.opendev.org/662018 | 15:08 |
| clarkb | I'm going to test ^ on review-dev really quickly but I think that should make systemd less confused about our gerrit service | 15:08 |
| clarkb | corvus: +3 | 15:09 |
| fungi | clarkb: once https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/6984 lands we should also be able to link to specific gerrit changes from commits in the gitea webui | 15:11 |
| corvus | btw, my work on the registry test job is suggesting to me that maybe we should make some generalized roles like "add a registry auth credential to a user's config", etc, to avoid repitition between the test and actual roles. however, it will be *much* easier to do that once the registry test job is in place, so i'm forging ahead with repitition for now. | 15:11 |
| corvus | fungi: it landed! | 15:11 |
| fungi | d'oh, so it did! | 15:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Remove bugday from status.o.o https://review.opendev.org/661385 | 15:12 |
| fungi | i clearly have trouble parsing the gh webui | 15:12 |
| clarkb | ok that timeout change doesn't break review-dev and /etc/init.d/gerrit check reports the timeout value as 300 instead of 90 | 15:12 |
| fungi | now i see the status:merged at the top | 15:12 |
| clarkb | so I think that is safe change ot make and it should fix our timeout problem in production | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Remove jenkins user from status.o.o https://review.opendev.org/661399 | 15:13 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: could you review this project retirement for x/pbrx and opendev-website, please? https://review.opendev.org/661910 | 15:14 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: yup | 15:15 |
| clarkb | done | 15:15 |
| AJaeger | thanks | 15:16 |
| AJaeger | mordred: did you push out a governance change for the reviews and retirement? | 15:16 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 15:18 |
| clarkb | fungi: ianw comment on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661888/1 mordred can you review that change too to make sure we aren't missing anything else before we respin? | 15:19 |
| clarkb | corvus: ^ you are probably interested in that one too | 15:19 |
| corvus | hrm. given where we are in the lifecycle of things, why not just "ansible -m shell" remove that file on all hosts? | 15:22 |
| corvus | fix a one-off error with a one-off fix | 15:22 |
| clarkb | corvus: as mentioned in the commit message I think ianw's concern is that we may do it again in the future | 15:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Remove opendev k8s cluster from inventory https://review.opendev.org/657821 | 15:23 |
| clarkb | (and the role should have the info necessary to clean up after itself) | 15:23 |
| corvus | clarkb: well, it's only happened once... | 15:23 |
| corvus | yeah, i don't disagree with the change. it makes the puppet role better. | 15:23 |
| corvus | only wondering what's the best way to spend our time :) | 15:24 |
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| clarkb | ya, if we want to not wait on getting that in the cleanup of removing the file on affected hosts would be simple | 15:24 |
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| corvus | are we still using that module, or did we switch to the upstream version? | 15:25 |
| clarkb | we are still using our "fork" | 15:25 |
| corvus | clarkb: lgtm with your fix | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Retire x/pbrx and openstack-infra/opendev-website (Step 1) https://review.opendev.org/661910 | 15:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul master: Fix typo in docs https://review.opendev.org/661886 | 15:38 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb, mordred, want to do the next step for opendev-website retirement? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661911/ | 15:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed openstack/project-config master: Update the neutron-lib failure rate dashboard https://review.opendev.org/662024 | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Add tab to link from repo page to gerrit changes https://review.opendev.org/656808 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul master: Create zuul/web/static on demand https://review.opendev.org/661498 | 15:56 |
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| clarkb | mordred: fungi dtroyer I figured out the test failures on remote: https://review.opendev.org/661856 Replace pkg_resources with importlib-metadata | 16:02 |
| clarkb | new patchset pushed | 16:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/pbr master: Resolve some issue with tox.ini, setup.cfg https://review.opendev.org/660297 | 16:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Update opendev website to be more present tense https://review.opendev.org/653946 | 16:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Add gitea docs https://review.opendev.org/661370 | 16:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/pbr master: Resolve some issue with tox.ini, setup.cfg https://review.opendev.org/660297 | 16:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/puppet-gerrit master: Increase Gerrit startup timeout to 300 seconds https://review.opendev.org/662018 | 16:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged zuul/zuul master: encrypt_secret: display the full_url on error https://review.opendev.org/661134 | 16:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 16:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: mordred digging into importlib-metadata a bit more it isn't suited for all of the things that pbr is using it for | 16:27 |
| clarkb | in particular anything that parses requirements lines | 16:27 |
| clarkb | however the runtime bits people run into with pbr are in version discovery | 16:27 |
| clarkb | and that should work with importlib-metadata | 16:27 |
| clarkb | I'll poke at a patch | 16:27 |
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| fungi | cool, i really doubt build-time and install-time inefficiencies are a big problem anyway | 16:29 |
| fungi | that cost is incurred once at wheel generation, installation or upgrade | 16:30 |
| clarkb | yup | 16:30 |
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| clarkb | the other problem is going to be the no dependencies issue | 16:31 |
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| * corvus whispers "vendor" | 16:34 | |
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| clarkb | I'm running the tests with the lib manually installed to see if it at least works | 16:35 |
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| clarkb | cool only one test fails and that is a test that installs things into a new virtualenv so importlib_metadata doesn't exist there and it fails | 16:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/pbr master: Use importlib-metadata for runtime package version lookups https://review.opendev.org/662035 | 16:42 |
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| clarkb | ^ is the change that does everything but the hard bit of vendoring the dep :) | 16:42 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | am the opendev gitea instace seams unhappy | 16:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://opendev.org/openstack/nova/src/branch/master/doc/source/admin | 16:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | its quite slow to load and those data seam like something went wrong | 16:49 |
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| Shrews | sean-k-mooney: what, you can't easily parse ago%!(EXTRA string=weeks%!(EXTRA int64=3)) ???? | 16:54 |
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| Shrews | yeah, that seems not good | 16:54 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i mean i can but should i have too :) | 16:54 |
| Shrews | the hover-over value is ok though | 16:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | i assume the template is messsed up | 16:55 |
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| clarkb | ya there was a recent template update | 16:55 |
| clarkb | likely related | 16:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | well the really slow rendering might be due to errors in teh rendering due to the template update? | 16:56 |
| clarkb | I thinj nova is slow because it iw huge | 16:56 |
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| clarkb | we observed nova slowness previously | 16:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | well https://opendev.org/openstack/nova/commit/fccdaabd64bfee73081213d6dfa990a60bd7ecf6 still took like 10 seconds to load | 16:57 |
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| sean-k-mooney | os-vif is fast however | 16:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://opendev.org/openstack/os-vif | 16:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | so ya maybe its related to the size of the git repo | 16:58 |
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| sean-k-mooney | are the dates that caulated on every request. i had hoped that would be cached | 16:58 |
| clarkb | I dont know how much caching gitea does | 16:58 |
| sean-k-mooney | anyway just said i would let ye know it looked odd | 16:59 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 16:59 |
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| clarkb | mordred: corvus fyi ^ I can take a look in a bit but not immediately | 17:02 |
| corvus | clarkb: i also don't remember the headings being lowercase | 17:05 |
| corvus | and the "file_history" button should say "History" | 17:06 |
| corvus | perhaps the locale change in jhesketh's change is the cause | 17:07 |
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| fungi | oh, yeah i bet that file needs to have all the [repo] options listed and not just the additions? | 17:09 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed opendev/system-config master: Revert "Add tab to link from repo page to gerrit changes" https://review.opendev.org/662046 | 17:10 |
| corvus | clarkb, fungi, mordred, sean-k-mooney: ^ | 17:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/project-config master: Add stable branches to gerritbot for watcher https://review.opendev.org/662047 | 17:14 |
| rm_work | what's the var to shove in my devstack local.conf to change the GIT source location for a project? | 17:14 |
| rm_work | I am using LIBS_FROM_GIT and one of those libs needs a different source than default | 17:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | rm_work: it depends on the project | 17:14 |
| rm_work | ah | 17:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | NOVA_REPO= whatever | 17:15 |
| rm_work | hmm | 17:15 |
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| sean-k-mooney | so its project name in uppercase followed by repo or branch | 17:15 |
| rm_work | but it wouldn't be IN the project, right? because that would imply it has to be fetched first, heh | 17:15 |
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| rm_work | ok i'll try tha | 17:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | no i have used it for os-vif several times | 17:16 |
| rm_work | in that case it'd be like OS_VIF_REPO? | 17:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | #LIBS_FROM_GIT=os-vif | 17:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | #git fetch https://git.openstack.org/openstack/os-vif refs/changes/25/629025/9 | 17:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | #OS_VIF_REPO=https://git.openstack.org/openstack/os-vif | 17:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | #OS_VIF_BRANCH=refs/changes/25/629025/9 | 17:16 |
| rm_work | cool, kk | 17:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | you can find out the one to use looking at the stackrc file | 17:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://github.com/openstack/devstack/blob/master/stackrc#L269 | 17:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | if you dont find the lib you care about you try directly seting the values in GITREPO GITBRANCH and GITDIR arrays youself but that is not technicaly supported | 17:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | or rather they are intenal datastucrues so you should not mess with them | 17:20 |
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| clarkb | fungi: mordred: ok now that I've got a handle on how importlib works I've poked at double checking the performance of it and tl;dr is it is just as slow as pkg_resources | 17:39 |
| clarkb | so I think I'll give up on this for now | 17:40 |
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| fungi | oh, really? | 17:48 |
| fungi | i wonder why the benchmarks in tox showed improvements switching to it | 17:48 |
| clarkb | yup in a osc venv iterating all osc.cli.extension entry points takes roughly the same amount of time on my machien if using pkg_resources or importlib | 17:51 |
| clarkb | looking at the code they both have the same rough design which explains it | 17:51 |
| clarkb | scan the disk for all the things in path, run expensive regexes over them to find things you care about, sort, and return | 17:51 |
| clarkb | that is really disappointing | 17:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | maybe you could cache the search results on disk for x seconds so that multiple invokations could skip it for a period | 17:54 |
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| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: ya that has been brought up before. The real issue here is we now have two stdlib implementations that are well bad and slow | 17:55 |
| clarkb | we can work around it, but if stdlib in python is slow everyone suffers | 17:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | for an agent that is proably not an issue but for a cli tool its painful | 17:55 |
| clarkb | yes it is the cli tooling that really gets hit hard | 17:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | this is related to our use fo stevador right to load the extentiosn? | 17:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | we have to walk the filesystem to collect all the entry points then load the extentions? | 17:56 |
| fungi | that said, if importlib is the new way, the effort to replace calls to pkg_resources are probably not lost effort even if they don't provide any performance improvement | 17:56 |
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| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: pkg_resources which is part of setuptools which provides "standard" tooling for manipulating this stuff | 17:57 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya its just far less interesting | 17:57 |
| fungi | i concur. disappointing | 17:58 |
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| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: upstream has produced a new library called importlib-metadata that claims to fix the performance issues with pkg_resources so I've been poking at it and got around to doing a side by side comparison and the performance is roughly the same | 17:59 |
| fungi | per misplaced discussion in #zuul a few minutes ago, i'll get started adding renames for ssh and secrets keys on the zuul scheduler to the rename_repos playbook | 17:59 |
| clarkb | maybe it gets better under larger numbers of package installs? | 17:59 |
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| clarkb | I have about 140 packages installed in the test venv | 18:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | how many of those actully have osc plugins | 18:00 |
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| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: unsure but doesn't matter. You have to scan the entire python path to determine that so that cost doesn't change | 18:01 |
| clarkb | basically 99% of the processing happens on all packages regardless of the group input | 18:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | it depend on if they do addtion al work to extract the metadata you looked for but ya i guess | 18:01 |
| fungi | osc could cache that lookup, but then you get the invalidation dilemma | 18:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | it could be that it scales beeter or that it use less reosuces | 18:02 |
| sean-k-mooney | clarkb: how beefy is the system you are testing on | 18:02 |
| rm_work | sean-k-mooney: yeah the one i tried worked, thanks sean-k-mooney :) | 18:02 |
| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: it doesn't matter its a side by side comparison on th same machine. But its s 4core i5 with samsung ssd running 5.x | 18:02 |
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| sean-k-mooney | clarkb: no what i ment is maybe there is a bigger delta on older hadware or newer | 18:03 |
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| clarkb | fungi: sean-k-mooney re caching the lookups pkg_resources does this at import time so is hard to work around. importlib-metadata does have pluggable "finder" classes which might make this better if you write a plugin that can ignore scanning the whole system because it knows things about the packages that might have entry points for it | 18:04 |
| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed zuul/zuul master: WIP: Store hold requests in zookeeper https://review.opendev.org/661114 | 18:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | clarkb: do you have a review i could try and see if i get the same results | 18:04 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, could of course lazy-import pkg_resources only when you want to refresh the cache, but that is sorta ugly | 18:04 |
| clarkb | ah ok so it does perform better on python3.7 than 2.7 | 18:05 |
| fungi | i would like to not need to care about 2.7 rsn | 18:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi: well we dont really anymore | 18:05 |
| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661856/ is the change but I've just got two test scripts that do a simpler test. Let me put a paste up of them | 18:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | as long as it works its good enough | 18:06 |
| clarkb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/752267/ | 18:06 |
| clarkb | now to install packages into my python3 venv and see fi that holds | 18:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | did you run test2.py after test.py | 18:08 |
| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: I ran them several times | 18:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok just wondering if the filesystem caching could have messed with the results | 18:09 |
| clarkb | so importlib is about 50ms faster under python3 than pkg_resources | 18:09 |
| clarkb | pkg_resources under python3 is about the same as python2 at ~200ms with pip install openstackclient packages in a venv | 18:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | i see similar for py36 | 18:11 |
| clarkb | oh ya I'm on 3.7 | 18:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | ~0.13s for importlib_metadta and ~.2 for pkg_resouces | 18:12 |
| clarkb | some of that is gonna be related to io throughput | 18:12 |
| clarkb | so variation between devices is probably expected | 18:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | actully is more like 0.12 vs 0.17 | 18:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | so ya about 50ms | 18:14 |
| clarkb | ok so importlib is a small improvement on newer python | 18:15 |
| clarkb | given that pushing ahead is probably worthwhile given it is the new api for this stuff | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed opendev/system-config master: Project renames include keys on zuul scheduler https://review.opendev.org/662058 | 18:19 |
| fungi | corvus: is that ^ right? basically copied what we do for gerrit's fs | 18:19 |
| clarkb | I'm going to pop out now for early lunch with family. When I get back I'm going to start putting together the repos.yaml for our renames and stack those changes | 18:20 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ following up on the zuul key moves is that something you want to add to the playbook? | 18:20 |
| fungi | clarkb: already written, see 662058 | 18:22 |
| fungi | feedback appreciated | 18:22 |
| fungi | clarkb: sean-k-mooney: a 25-30% speedup seems consistent with the findings in https://github.com/tox-dev/tox/pull/1324 | 18:23 |
| fungi | er, i guess they saw 30-40% according to the summary | 18:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi: it might be more on spinning rust vs a pcie nvme ssd | 18:24 |
| fungi | sure | 18:24 |
| rm_work | anyone know offhand if there are packages that *can't* be installed before running stack.sh on a devstack host, if you want things to work properly? It seems like mysql-server is one of them (because it needs to be set up to use the configured user/pass) but I wonder if there are others? | 18:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | there are things that can sometime cause issues if pip downgrades them | 18:26 |
| fungi | yeah, avoiding having any python modules preinstalled from distro packages is generally a good idea | 18:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | e.g. you shoudl avoid installing python deps from the system package manager | 18:27 |
| mordred | in pretty much all cases | 18:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | jinks | 18:27 |
| rm_work | heh yeah k, so no python deps | 18:27 |
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| fungi | part of teh problem is if they use old distutils methods without adding the relevant metadata, modern pip will throw its hands up in the air and refuse to install anything newer from pypi | 18:27 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 18:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | clarkb: huh so on python 27 pkg_resources is actully beating importlib_metadata for me | 18:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | pkg_resources seams to take about 0.17s on both python 2.7 and 3.6 | 18:30 |
| mordred | config-core: I believe I jumped the gun on starting to retire pbrx - the install-siblings subcommand is in actual use. I'm going to update AJaeger's patches to only retire opendev-website | 18:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | but importlib_metadata goes from ~ 0.219s to 0.12s | 18:31 |
| AJaeger | mordred: so, should it get renamed? | 18:31 |
| mordred | AJaeger: I think so, yes - but I think we probably need a fuul plan for that before we do anything else | 18:32 |
| mordred | like - it might even make sense to just rename the project from pbrx to 'install-siblings' | 18:32 |
| mordred | and remove the idea of subcommands and whatnot | 18:32 |
| mordred | but I haven't fully formed that thought | 18:32 |
| mordred | I think for now we can just leave it in x/ | 18:32 |
| AJaeger | indeed, it's in x/ - so, no need to take action now... | 18:33 |
| AJaeger | mordred: I'll abandon https://review.opendev.org/661912 now | 18:33 |
| AJaeger | and https://review.opendev.org/661914 as well | 18:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/system-config master: Revert "Add tab to link from repo page to gerrit changes" https://review.opendev.org/662046 | 18:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/project-config master: Remove pbrx noop jobs https://review.opendev.org/662062 | 18:35 |
| AJaeger | mordred: ^ | 18:35 |
| mordred | AJaeger: cool. I'll update 661803 | 18:36 |
| AJaeger | mordred: ok | 18:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/project-config master: Retire opendev-website (step 3) https://review.opendev.org/661803 | 18:48 |
| AJaeger | mordred: LGTM ^ | 18:49 |
| mordred | \o/ | 18:52 |
| mordred | AJaeger: maybe one day I'll be able to make a patch that doesn't take a day of followup work on your part to fix :) | 18:52 |
| AJaeger | mordred: don't put your light under the bushel ;) | 18:58 |
| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed zuul/zuul master: WIP: Store hold requests in zookeeper https://review.opendev.org/661114 | 19:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/devstack-gate master: Note status of CINDER_PERIODIC_INTERVAL setting https://review.opendev.org/655451 | 19:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Douglas Mendizábal proposed openstack/project-config master: Retire castellan-ui https://review.opendev.org/662073 | 19:31 |
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| AJaeger | config-core, please review https://review.opendev.org/662062 and https://review.opendev.org/662073 | 20:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Remove pbrx noop jobs https://review.opendev.org/662062 | 21:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-config master: Retire castellan-ui https://review.opendev.org/662073 | 21:05 |
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| clarkb | gah that took entirely too much time | 21:22 |
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| clarkb | catching up on reviews now then will start working on that repos.yaml | 21:23 |
| fungi | while you were out, storyboard became storyboard-api | 21:23 |
| fungi | (just fyi) | 21:23 |
| clarkb | as a project rename? | 21:23 |
| fungi | successful bikeshed on the distribution name so we can start uploading to pypi | 21:24 |
| fungi | not a project rename (yet anyway) | 21:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662058/1 has a thing on it I noticed | 21:25 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 21:25 |
| clarkb | Looks like the two changes AJaeger called out are merged now | 21:25 |
| fungi | and also, i mowed a quarter of my lawn far too slowly. ambient temperature according to the nws is 93.6f/34.2c | 21:25 |
| clarkb | ianw: for when you return there is a small bug on the ansible-role-puppet change you wrote | 21:25 |
| fungi | kinda rough when you're perpetually at 100% relative humidity | 21:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed opendev/system-config master: Project renames include keys on zuul scheduler https://review.opendev.org/662058 | 21:28 |
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| corvus | as an ugly bag of mostly water, i like being at 100% humidity, but i agree it's bad when the atmosphere is too. | 21:28 |
| fungi | that's when osmosis really kicks in | 21:28 |
| fungi | at least the salt air helps me keep my electrolyte balance? | 21:29 |
| ianw | clarkb: a bug! surely not :) | 21:29 |
| fungi | egad! | 21:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: that sounds painful. Thankfully we are in the mid 70s here with about 50% humidity | 21:31 |
| fungi | robots are far better suited to this task. the time will come when i can convince my wife that r.daneel and r.giskard need another companion | 21:32 |
| mordred | fungi: we have a vacuum robot with laser eyes. we call it Tina after the character from Bob's Burgers because she's really earnest but also frequently not as competent at accomplishing the desired tasks as one might otherwise want | 21:34 |
| fungi | and distracted by horses and teenage boys? | 21:35 |
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| mordred | I'm going to go with yes | 21:35 |
| ianw | clarkb: thanks, great catch | 21:35 |
| mordred | each morning we play "which piece of furniture did Tina inexplicably get herself caught on" - probably because of said distraction | 21:36 |
| mordred | fungi: I'm enjoying imaginging the lawn-mower equivilent | 21:36 |
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| fungi | yeah... the lawnmower equivalent here is making sure it doesn't decide to go for a swim | 21:36 |
| fungi | the bulkhead sticks up far enough it wouldn't pitch itself over that, but there is a ramp up onto (what remains of) the dock | 21:37 |
| fungi | apparently the popular models obey a buried guidewire, like an "invisible fence" sort of setup | 21:38 |
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| fungi | so you run wire a few inches deep around the perimeter and surrounding anything you don't want it to try to plow over | 21:39 |
| clarkb | mordred: our problem is cables/wires | 21:40 |
| fungi | pro tip: don't lay cables/wires on top of your lawn ;) | 21:40 |
| clarkb | it gets under the tv thing and climbs the power strip cable and bleep bloop bleep bloop rescure messages happen | 21:40 |
| clarkb | infra-root remote: https://review.opendev.org/662097 Rename records for project renames on 20190531 | 21:41 |
| fungi | ahh, you mean your artificially unintelligent vacuum | 21:41 |
| clarkb | and review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/project-renames-2019-05-31 too please | 21:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya | 21:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: I enjoy pushing the reel mower around in my yard but my yard is also tiny | 21:41 |
| fungi | i like the exercise, but when it's this warm outdoors my lawn is just not quite small enough | 21:42 |
| clarkb | ya if I had to do your yard in that heat I'd protest :) | 21:42 |
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| fungi | it's voluntary, just... slow | 21:44 |
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| fungi | i go a couple strips and then retreat to the porch to do some code review or reply to an e-mail | 21:44 |
| fungi | rinse and repeat | 21:44 |
| clarkb | probably only 50% of my lot that isn't covered by house is covered in grass | 21:45 |
| fungi | i'll be done by dinner (i hope) | 21:45 |
| clarkb | the rest of it is driveway, bushes, small garden, and patio | 21:45 |
| fungi | 662097 is a great idea. make the machine-readable record of our renames be the machine-readable input to the rename_repos playbook and then it only needs to be reviewed once | 21:46 |
| clarkb | now to stack those changes | 21:47 |
| clarkb | I'm going to put the ones that pass testing at the bottom so they continue to pass testing | 21:48 |
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| mordred | fungi: lawnmower robot going swiming definitely seems suboptimal | 21:48 |
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| fungi | unless it comes equipped with floaties and a propeller | 21:49 |
| fungi | pontoon mower | 21:49 |
| mordred | then it would be AMAZING | 21:49 |
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| mordred | clarkb: we lifted all cables from the floor to avoid that entanglement sourc .. although we did have some furry rugs that we had to put magnetic strips under the edge of to create a virtual barrier | 21:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename charm-lxd to charm-nova-lxd https://review.opendev.org/644584 | 21:52 |
| fungi | r.daneel has a perception flaw where very low-pile, very deep-black rug patterns make it think it's about to plummet to its doom | 21:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Renaming of Public Cloud WG to Public Cloud SIG https://review.opendev.org/659489 | 21:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename request: airship-in-a-bottle https://review.opendev.org/656008 | 21:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename x/compute-hyperv to openstack/compute-hyperv https://review.opendev.org/661682 | 21:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename x/pyeclib and x/liberasurecode to openstack/* https://review.opendev.org/657155 | 21:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename opendev projects we missed https://review.opendev.org/657277 | 21:52 |
| clarkb | and stacked. I'll leave comments on the changes explaining why I did that | 21:52 |
| fungi | i can probably treat the rugs with something to make them more reflective in the infrared range but not in the visible spectrum | 21:53 |
| fungi | the alternative was to tape over the ir emitter/sensor and erect pylons at the stairwell | 21:56 |
| clarkb | I have set workflow to -1 on all of those changes and left a note about the stacking | 21:57 |
| fungi | s/pylons/additional pylons/ | 21:57 |
| clarkb | in doing so I noticed the swift libraries change depends on the governance update | 21:57 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ what are teh chances the governance update will merge before friday? should we remove the depends on? | 21:57 |
| fungi | it will not merge before friday | 21:57 |
| clarkb | ok I may as well remove it then | 21:58 |
| fungi | but it's probably safe to assume it will eventually merge | 21:58 |
| clarkb | ya all votes so far are +1s | 21:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs master: Remove more puppet-3 jobs https://review.opendev.org/662100 | 21:58 |
| * fungi applies additional +1 with tc hat on to hasten | 21:58 | |
| clarkb | and I don't see any reason that tc would say swift can't adopt the libs it uses | 21:58 |
| fungi | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/house-rules.html#other-project-team-updates | 22:01 |
| fungi | "In corner cases where the change is time-sensitive (like a deliverable reorganization which blocks a release request), the chair may fast-track the change, but should report on that exception in the TC update." | 22:02 |
| fungi | so it could go sooner if we want | 22:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename x/pyeclib and x/liberasurecode to openstack/* https://review.opendev.org/657155 | 22:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Rename opendev projects we missed https://review.opendev.org/657277 | 22:02 |
| clarkb | depends on now removed | 22:02 |
| clarkb | fungi: might be good to get the two governance changes in (the other is the compute-hyperv one) just to cross t's and dot i's | 22:03 |
| clarkb | but I don't think it is critical | 22:03 |
| clarkb | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661684/ though that one has fewer votes | 22:03 |
| fungi | if 657154 is not expedited, it's available for approval on the one-week anniversary of the current patchset, so next tuesday | 22:03 |
| clarkb | so maybe we should get TC to actually say yes or no before friday | 22:03 |
| fungi | there is an office hour tomorrow at 15:00 utc in #openstack-tc | 22:04 |
| fungi | that might be a good time to bring it up | 22:04 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: WIP: registry test job https://review.opendev.org/661327 | 22:04 |
| fungi | it's... actually the sort of thing we hold office hours for | 22:04 |
| fungi | (unlike most of the stuff which comes up during tc office hours) | 22:05 |
| clarkb | fungi: ok if I don't remember to bring it up can you :) | 22:05 |
| clarkb | I'll plan to bring it up though | 22:05 |
| fungi | i'll try, but also in the security-sig meeting simultaneous to that | 22:05 |
| fungi | alternative is to just post to openstack-discuss with the [tc] tag | 22:06 |
| clarkb | I think office hours will work fine. Its 24 hours in advance so either we get told yes and current stack of changes is good to go or we get told no and I rebase again and update repos.yaml file | 22:07 |
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| clarkb | I just have to wake early enough to be at computer by 8am | 22:07 |
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| clarkb | which I have to do friday anyways so no biggy | 22:07 |
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