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| clarkb | SpamapS: ftr the thing that prevents arp storm today in neutron is you don't have working arp aiui | 00:00 |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: they do l2pop or something named like that, where neutron fills arp tables for you | 00:00 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: there was working arp without l2pop last time I looked closely | 00:02 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I know l2pop is desired | 00:02 |
| lifeless | clarkb: but the mesh tunnels neutron gre builds do broadcast propogation | 00:02 |
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| clarkb | lifeless: ya, I think if you aren't using vxlan + l2pop then you are vulnerable | 00:03 |
| clarkb | but otherwise you should be ok? | 00:03 |
| clarkb | (assuming l2pop works properly I guess) | 00:03 |
| lifeless | I don't recal any broadcast ratelimiting config | 00:03 |
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| lifeless | without that you're vulnerable | 00:04 |
| lifeless | you're also vulnerable with l2pop without that | 00:04 |
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| lifeless | since arp is just one form of broadcast | 00:04 |
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| fungi | l2pop is more there as a safety to prevent spoofing | 00:05 |
| clarkb | lifeless: I thought with l2pop they killed arp completely | 00:05 |
| fungi | in clouds where tenants' instances are comingled in a common broadcast domain | 00:05 |
| clarkb | er | 00:05 |
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| clarkb | the broadcast | 00:05 |
| lifeless | fungi: no, there are ebtables rules for that | 00:05 |
| clarkb | right ebtables are there to prevent the really nasty stuff | 00:05 |
| fungi | well, _now_ there are, but they were added relatively recently | 00:05 |
| lifeless | fungi: its to make the expected broadcasts be answered locally | 00:05 |
| clarkb | (this is why the multinode jobs initially failed with a single overlay network) | 00:05 |
| lifeless | fungi: several years ago... | 00:05 |
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| clarkb | fungi: nova net has had them since forever | 00:06 |
| fungi | oh, neutron did not until fairly recently | 00:06 |
| fungi | there was some debate as to whether neutron's lack of feature parity with nova there counted as something we'd need to issue a security advisory for | 00:06 |
| lifeless | fungi: I'm skeptical of your recent there | 00:07 |
| cinerama | pleia2: i found a workaround for the percentage completion stuff. hoo boy is it ugly. but it will work. | 00:07 |
| clarkb | fungi: interesting | 00:07 |
| fungi | where recently ~= past 18 months | 00:07 |
| fungi | bug 1274034 still open for neytron | 00:08 |
| openstack | bug 1274034 in neutron "Neutron firewall anti-spoofing does not prevent ARP poisoning" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274034 | 00:08 |
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| fungi | there's a spec to address it http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/kilo/arp-spoof-filtering-ebtables.html | 00:09 |
| fungi | so i stand corrected, arp spoofing is still not mitigated in neutron today | 00:10 |
| clarkb | huh so the idea of direct attaching would be bad unless every tenant had its own IP space | 00:10 |
| clarkb | and even then not so great (but your private IPs are already vulnerable within a tenant) | 00:10 |
| clarkb | s/tenant/tenant's various private networks/ | 00:11 |
| fungi | anyway, i should weekend | 00:12 |
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| clarkb | enjoy | 00:13 |
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| anteaya | fungi: enjoy the weekend | 00:13 |
| fungi | you too anteaya | 00:14 |
| anteaya | thanks | 00:14 |
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| fungi | i'm still around, just not too useful ;() | 00:14 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 00:14 |
| anteaya | your not too useful surpasses my useful any day | 00:14 |
| fungi | as evidenced by the degradation in my typing | 00:14 |
| anteaya | that was great | 00:14 |
| anteaya | one for the wall | 00:15 |
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| lifeless | oh gerrit I hate you | 00:17 |
| lifeless | making me rebase a lower patch to push a higher one. | 00:17 |
| lifeless | thats such a hostile thing | 00:17 |
| jroll | -R will avoid that | 00:18 |
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| lifeless | jroll: no, thats git review side, not gerrit : | 00:18 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Improve integration.sh. https://review.openstack.org/177500 | 00:18 |
| jroll | lifeless: I guess I don't understand the problem, gerrit doesn't deal with pushes | 00:19 |
| fungi | lifeless: well, technically it's a git thing, unless you use a merge commit | 00:19 |
| clarkb | jroll: if you have a stack that actually depend on each other then the base conflicts now you have to rebase the whole stack | 00:19 |
| fungi | or i guess you could blame gerrit for caring that the parent commit shas are actually existant | 00:20 |
| lifeless | fungi: I think thats what I'm doing | 00:20 |
| fungi | blame away! | 00:20 |
| jroll | clarkb: oh, of course, I guess I'm misunderstanding the problem statement | 00:20 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: I am learning about dogpile now, see what you have done :P | 00:20 |
| lifeless | jroll: gerrit rejects a patch X with child Y that hasn't changed content but has changed hash | 00:20 |
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| lifeless | jroll: you need to rebase Y on the X sha that gerrit has already | 00:20 |
| jroll | lifeless: ah! I see, yes | 00:20 |
| * jroll piles on the blame | 00:21 | |
| lifeless | https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/check-pbr-installation-dsvm-upstream/1/console | 00:21 |
| lifeless | that has the variable | 00:21 |
| fungi | i understand why they implemented it the way they did, but it's no less annoying as a result | 00:21 |
| lifeless | lets see if we have fireworks | 00:21 |
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| clarkb | lifeless: so thats different, I think ou must've used cherry pick there | 00:22 |
| clarkb | lifeless: if you merge/rebase it would be fine | 00:22 |
| lifeless | clarkb: nope | 00:22 |
| clarkb | gerrit's behavior is fine there imo, its a warning that you are pushing a noop | 00:23 |
| lifeless | clarkb: just a coouple of local amends ending up at the same spot and then a follow on commit will do it | 00:23 |
| clarkb | lifeless: gerrit will not reject Y if it is now based on X' | 00:23 |
| lifeless | clarkb: it does | 00:23 |
| lifeless | remote: Resolving deltas: 100% (2/2) | 00:23 |
| lifeless | remote: Processing changes: refs: 1, done | 00:23 |
| lifeless | remote: (W) No changes between prior commit 46cd72c and new commit 135c6bb | 00:23 |
| clarkb | but with cherry picking you can end up with a Y' on X | 00:23 |
| lifeless | To ssh://lifeless@review.openstack.org:29418/openstack-dev/pbr.git | 00:23 |
| lifeless | ! [remote rejected] HEAD -> refs/publish/master (no changes made) | 00:23 |
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| lifeless | error: failed to push some refs to 'ssh://lifeless@review.openstack.org:29418/openstack-dev/pbr.git' | 00:23 |
| clarkb | lifeless: thats not sufficient data, all it gives is two hashes for Y and Y' | 00:24 |
| lifeless | clarkb: 46cd72c is the one in 177457,1 | 00:24 |
| lifeless | clarkb: 135c6bb is the one that was my parent for 177500, and is textually the same as 46cd72c | 00:25 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I did a rebase -i and changed my first line - the one for 177457 to be pick 46cd72c, and then I was able to push | 00:25 |
| clarkb | lifeless: did the parent of 46cd72c and 135c6bb differ? | 00:25 |
| lifeless | good q, let me check | 00:26 |
| clarkb | gerrit shouldn't reject if the parent is different | 00:26 |
| clarkb | if it did reject in that case then this is a gerrit bug | 00:26 |
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| lifeless | hash parent | 00:28 |
| lifeless | 46cd72cb2564f2c976c2c785417a5170802e0241 52fcd502bf9d23aac88dae2b4b34d36f7aa26ea8 | 00:28 |
| lifeless | 135c6bb4cb3b76e79df5fab3636b428e7139246d 52fcd502bf9d23aac88dae2b4b34d36f7aa26ea8 | 00:28 |
| clarkb | ya so thats expected gerrit behavior, you essentially just bumped the commit timestamp on that commit | 00:29 |
| clarkb | and gerrit is saying thats insufficiently different to be accepted by me | 00:29 |
| lifeless | sure | 00:29 |
| lifeless | I'm not saying gerrit is wrong | 00:29 |
| clarkb | but if you change a different attribute like diff, parent, author, it will accept it | 00:29 |
| lifeless | I'm bitching | 00:29 |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: why doesn't the arg to cache_on_arguments at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/shade/tree/shade/__init__.py#n162 (func) go through func.__get__(obj, type(obj)) | 00:38 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: I think that dance is there to handle inheritance? shouldn't invalidate do the same? also its late on friday so meh if you are gone | 00:39 |
| lifeless | we should probably install some extra packages for 2.7... | 00:40 |
| lifeless | 2015-04-25 00:34:43.844 | /tmp/tmp.1OPln7jD1A/wheelhouse/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pip/_vendor/requests/packages/urllib3/util/ssl_.py:79: InsecurePlatformWarning: A true SSLContext object is not available. This prevents urllib3 from configuring SSL appropriately and may cause certain SSL connections to fail. For more information, see https://urllib3.readthedocs.org/en/latest/security.html#insecureplatformwarning. | 00:40 |
| clarkb | you can install requests[security] iirc | 00:40 |
| clarkb | which depends on all the thigns pyopenssl depends on | 00:40 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: sure, just we're not atm | 00:44 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Build all the wheels in one pass rather than many. https://review.openstack.org/177503 | 00:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Honour new test variable PIPVERSION https://review.openstack.org/177457 | 01:00 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Build all the wheels in one pass rather than many. https://review.openstack.org/177503 | 01:00 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Improve integration.sh. https://review.openstack.org/177500 | 01:00 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Test pip install -e of projects. https://review.openstack.org/177504 | 01:00 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Stop testing setup.py install https://review.openstack.org/177505 | 01:00 |
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| bknudson | something wacky happened to the pycadf stable/juno branch... http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/pycadf/log/?h=stable%2Fjuno | 01:12 |
| bknudson | looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177436/ which merged was actually based off of master | 01:13 |
| bknudson | so wound up fast-forwarding it. | 01:13 |
| bknudson | I think it needs a reset | 01:14 |
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| bknudson | if that's possible | 01:15 |
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| lifeless | you'll need someone with ops access - pleia2 clarkb mordred should still be awake | 01:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Honour new test variable PIPVERSION https://review.openstack.org/177457 | 01:21 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Stop testing setup.py install https://review.openstack.org/177505 | 01:21 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Test pip install -e of projects. https://review.openstack.org/177504 | 01:21 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Build all the wheels in one pass rather than many. https://review.openstack.org/177503 | 01:21 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Improve integration.sh. https://review.openstack.org/177500 | 01:21 |
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| fungi | bknudson: that's an annoying design decision on gerrit's part. it will let you propose commits to a branch which are parented on commits from another branch | 01:30 |
| lifeless | fungi: thats normal though for merging stable -> master | 01:31 |
| fungi | bknudson: which is one of the things our stable branch reviewers know to keep an eye out for | 01:31 |
| lifeless | which some usage patterns do all the time | 01:31 |
| fungi | lifeless: yep, however there are acls to prevent people from proposing merge commits | 01:31 |
| fungi | but in this case they're depending on merge commits already existing on another branch | 01:31 |
| lifeless | yep | 01:31 |
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| fungi | bknudson: gimme a sec to check out the history on that branch and see what options could be | 01:32 |
| lifeless | I wonder what the integration.sh test is doing in this bit: | 01:32 |
| lifeless | 2015-04-25 01:27:29.645 | Running devstack | 01:32 |
| lifeless | 2015-04-25 01:27:29.645 | ... this takes 10 - 15 minutes (logs in logs/devstacklog.txt.gz) | 01:32 |
| lifeless | since its not actually running devstack | 01:32 |
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| fungi | lifeless: does it actually short-circuit the bits which run devstack? | 01:33 |
| lifeless | looks like no | 01:33 |
| lifeless | http://logs.openstack.org/57/177457/1/check/check-pbr-installation-dsvm-upstream/0ecb109/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 01:33 |
| lifeless | its pointless to run devstack though | 01:33 |
| lifeless | since a) we don't use it and b) its not running our modified pbr to build things | 01:34 |
| fungi | lifeless: i think, at least at one point, it was relying on devstack's routine that patches the requirements files of all the repos | 01:35 |
| fungi | to get them consistent | 01:35 |
| lifeless | nope | 01:35 |
| lifeless | (cd $REPODIR/requirements && python update.py $REPODIR/$SHORT_PROJECT) | 01:35 |
| fungi | no idea whether it still needs to do that | 01:35 |
| lifeless | line 175 of itnegration.sh | 01:35 |
| fungi | looks like not | 01:35 |
| lifeless | so we run devstack-vm-gate.sh | 01:35 |
| lifeless | mordred: do you recall why it runs devstack-vm-gate.sh ? | 01:35 |
| fungi | the job could probably be rewritten to not call devstack-gate at all and just run the integration script instead | 01:36 |
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| lifeless | I'm pondering that | 01:36 |
| lifeless | I want this stack to [mostly] land first | 01:36 |
| lifeless | since we can't test the zuul change without activating it | 01:36 |
| fungi | unless _maybe_ it's relying on devstack to install the distro packages needed to be able to install python requirements of things | 01:36 |
| lifeless | thats likely something it is doing | 01:37 |
| lifeless | but we can fix that | 01:37 |
| fungi | yep. you could just call into the part of devstack that does that one task | 01:37 |
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| lifeless | well | 01:38 |
| lifeless | fungi: it has | 01:38 |
| lifeless | # TODO: Figure out how to get this on to the box properly | 01:38 |
| lifeless | sudo apt-get install -y --force-yes libvirt-dev libxml2-dev libxslt-dev libmysqlclient-dev libpq-dev libnspr4-dev pkg-config libsqlite3-dev libzmq-dev libffi-dev libldap2-dev libsasl2-dev ccache | 01:38 |
| lifeless | in it | 01:38 |
| lifeless | so I'm not sure even that is needed | 01:38 |
| fungi | aha | 01:38 |
| fungi | bknudson: so i think your best bet is going to be for me to delete your current stable/juno branch and then create a new one off of an appropriate ref | 01:39 |
| fungi | that _will_ cause the branch to not be fast-forwardable for anyone who happened to pull from it in the past few hours though | 01:39 |
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| fungi | bknudson: what existing commit do you want as the tip of that branch? | 01:41 |
| fungi | dhellmann: ^ | 01:42 |
| fungi | looks like that was your patch | 01:42 |
| lifeless | fungi: the reflog in the master repo should be a good way to tell | 01:44 |
| fungi | great idea | 01:44 |
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| fungi | based on http://paste.openstack.org/show/205871/ looks like it should be 52727bc | 01:45 |
| fungi | Date: Wed Aug 20 15:18:22 2014 -0500 | 01:46 |
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| fungi | also matches the 0.6.0 tag so that seems right | 01:47 |
| lifeless | oh! | 01:47 |
| fungi | so i'll re-branch pycadf stable/juno from the 0.6.0 tag | 01:47 |
| lifeless | export PBR_PIP_VERSION=git+https://github.com/pypa/pip.git@develop#egg=pipexport | 01:48 |
| lifeless | whats wrong with that | 01:48 |
| fungi | crap, can't delete stable/juno without first abandoning some open changes on it | 01:49 |
| lifeless | fungi: don't delete | 01:49 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fixup the PBR_PIP_VERSION more. https://review.openstack.org/177513 | 01:49 |
| lifeless | fungi: you've got direct push access right? | 01:49 |
| fungi | lifeless: trying to avoid push --force there | 01:49 |
| lifeless | fungi: *why* ? | 01:49 |
| fungi | but i guess i could | 01:49 |
| fungi | i suppose deleting the branch and recreating it is at least as bad | 01:50 |
| fungi | so, yeah | 01:50 |
| lifeless | what you're doing is specifically forcing a new history incompatible branch | 01:50 |
| fungi | and that will avoid needing to temporarily abandoning changes at least | 01:50 |
| lifeless | the disruption is all going to come from the fact you're doing that, you don't need to add more into the mix ;) | 01:50 |
| fungi | yep | 01:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Don't setup devstack for pbr integration tests. https://review.openstack.org/177514 | 01:59 |
| fungi | dhellmann: bknudson: the branch is reset to 0.6.0 where it was before the broken 177436 merged, and i've now reproposed that change correctly as 177515 | 02:00 |
| lifeless | fungi: we do need the contents of things in /opt/stack/new, tahts not in the call to devstack though, is it ? | 02:01 |
| fungi | lifeless: oh, devstack-gate syncs those from /opt/git | 02:01 |
| fungi | you could do that in the script instead, via rsync or zuul-cloner or whatever | 02:02 |
| fungi | or just tell it to operate out of /opt/git i support | 02:02 |
| fungi | er, suppose | 02:02 |
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| lifeless | do I want to ask why it does that? | 02:05 |
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| bknudson | fungi: great, thanks | 02:07 |
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| fungi | lifeless: /opt/stack/new is the location where devstack expects to find its git cache. /opt/git is where zuul-cloner expects to find it (for reasons of wanting to be used for more than devstack) | 02:10 |
| fungi | also devstack only uses the part of the repository name after the / | 02:11 |
| fungi | and devstack-gate only copies in the git repositories it's configuring devstack to use, rather than all of them | 02:12 |
| fungi | i'm sure it could be streamlined considerably, that's simply the current state | 02:12 |
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| bknudson | also, looks like the existing reviews are fine... probably because the parent commit is the same. | 02:18 |
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| bknudson | I thought we'd have to disable the py33 job for pycadf, but turns out all it needed was mox3 in test-requirements. | 02:22 |
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| lifeless | fungi: so, PROJECTS is like openstack/nova | 02:35 |
| lifeless | fungi: and /opt/git/openstack/nova is the full source? | 02:35 |
| fungi | lifeless: yeah, and devstack-gate copies it to /opt/stack/new/nova where devstack expects it to be | 02:36 |
| lifeless | isn't that a big chunk of wasted IO ? | 02:37 |
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| fungi | probably not a ton, but yeah could maybe symlink them instead or something | 02:42 |
| lifeless | fungi: are they bare or anything otherwise surprising? | 02:42 |
| lifeless | fungi: you might be surprised - do a du -h of that sometime | 02:42 |
| fungi | nope. they're just the result of git clone | 02:42 |
| lifeless | IIRC its GB's | 02:43 |
| fungi | we've got timing info we can look at to see how much time it adds, yeah | 02:43 |
| lifeless | not lots of GB's, but still | 02:43 |
| lifeless | huh, hacking doesn't use pbr | 02:43 |
| lifeless | who knew | 02:43 |
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| lifeless | ok | 02:44 |
| lifeless | so this is a genuine failure I think | 02:44 |
| lifeless | 2015-04-25 01:50:20.110 | + /tmp/tmp.gVZs49VFKX/pip/bin/pip install git+file:///tmp/tmp.gVZs49VFKX/projects/ceilometer | 02:44 |
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| lifeless | .. | 02:44 |
| lifeless | 2015-04-25 01:50:22.445 | Exception: Versioning for this project requires either an sdist tarball, or access to an upstream git repository. Are you sure that git is installed? | 02:44 |
| lifeless | though I've NFI why a pip change is triggering that | 02:45 |
| fungi | not too long ago there was something happened pip-wise to cause it to start using a different working directory | 02:45 |
| lifeless | yah | 02:46 |
| fungi | when i brought it up, it got patched with the usual admonition of pip-is-not-a-library | 02:46 |
| lifeless | I'm looking at the failure in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177457/ | 02:46 |
| lifeless | you can see those changes are very isolated | 02:47 |
| lifeless | and I know pretty much everything thats in 6.1.1..7.0.0 | 02:47 |
| lifeless | but I thought that change got backed out | 02:47 |
| fungi | i think it may have been postponed to a later release | 02:48 |
| fungi | but i honestly don't recall the details now | 02:48 |
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| lifeless | I don't see anything suspect in the commit log for 6.1.1..upstream/develop | 02:51 |
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| lifeless | dstufft: ^ - testing with trunk pip is failing to get the git history needed by 'pbr sdist' for a git+ url | 02:52 |
| lifeless | dstufft: the same test script is working with 6.1.1 | 02:53 |
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| fungi | last time i ended up sticking debug print statements in pip until i narrowed down the directory change | 02:53 |
| lifeless | yeah | 02:53 |
| lifeless | rigth now I need to cook lunch for a certain small creature | 02:53 |
| fungi | and i need to go pass out | 02:54 |
| fungi | anyway, looks like progress! i'm excited | 02:54 |
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| lifeless | well it means that its damn good timing we set this up :) | 02:55 |
| fungi | very much so | 02:55 |
| fungi | may save us yet another fire drill | 02:55 |
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| lifeless | yup | 02:57 |
| lifeless | separate dir | 02:57 |
| lifeless | /tmp/pip-kAl5Un-build/setup.cfg | 02:57 |
| lifeless | vs | 02:57 |
| lifeless | /tmp/pip-MXRlJB-export | 02:57 |
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| lifeless | dstufft: https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/2723 | 03:01 |
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| lifeless | ok, found it | 03:16 |
| lifeless | but aieeee | 03:16 |
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| lifeless | I have to wonder | 04:32 |
| lifeless | does the [all] tag go into /dev/null ? | 04:32 |
| lifeless | (w.r.t. [all] Call for testing - pbr master) | 04:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings: Glace meeting no longer alternates https://review.openstack.org/176211 | 07:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/shade: Add Ironic maintenance state pass-through https://review.openstack.org/172283 | 12:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/shade: Replace e.message with str(e) https://review.openstack.org/177346 | 13:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/shade: Call super in OpenStackCloudException https://review.openstack.org/177347 | 13:00 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: well you're a busy bee this Saturday morning. | 13:22 |
| mordred | SpamapS: I wake up, I do things | 13:24 |
| mordred | SpamapS: you're up early | 13:24 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: I went to bed at like 10:00 last night w/ a fever. Woke up feeling much much better so.. yeah. ;) | 13:26 |
| mordred | SpamapS: yay! | 13:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint 'SpamapS' Byrum proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Remove precise functests for diskimage-builder https://review.openstack.org/177545 | 13:27 |
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| SpamapS | ^^ those is broken | 13:27 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: you know, that patch makes me think of this interessting thing that has happened | 13:46 |
| mordred | SpamapS: which is that Ubuntu has an LTS timeframe, and RHEL has a support timeframe | 13:47 |
| mordred | SpamapS: and for some reason that has made upstreams start thinking they need to care about a platform for the length of that platforms corporate-decided support lifecycle | 13:47 |
| mordred | SpamapS: it's really not my job to make sure that something works on an old version of ubuntu for as long as ubuntu has decided that old version should limp along | 13:48 |
| mordred | SpamapS: (this is my way of saying "yes please, kill precise") | 13:48 |
| mordred | SpamapS: and by "support" as an upstream, I mean "ensure that new releases of a given piece of software work on an old release of a distro" not "provide security fixes for old things" | 13:49 |
| SpamapS | mordred: Right, if the users want it though, I think it's important. | 13:49 |
| SpamapS | mordred: but AFAIK, dib users don't care about precise. | 13:49 |
| mordred | yah | 13:49 |
| mordred | SpamapS: I'm not trying to make a hard and fast rule | 13:49 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: just saying that sometimes I think it's easy to get caught in the trap of "it exists, therefore must care" | 13:50 |
| mordred | _especially_ for utilities | 13:50 |
| SpamapS | indeed | 13:53 |
| SpamapS | mordred: I also think it's ok to just keep a test running that is passing, until you see it fail, and then shut it off and put it in your release notes "Precise support dropped." | 13:53 |
| mordred | yup | 13:53 |
| SpamapS | But it's also fine to do that as soon as you are comfortable the new platform is well established. :) | 13:53 |
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| mordred | mordred@camelot:~/src/openstack-infra/project-config$ openstack --os-cloud=rax image delete e18cb248-4ae3-4c2c-9bb6-035808a297b6 | 13:57 |
| mordred | /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/packages/urllib3/connection.py:251: SecurityWarning: Certificate has no `subjectAltName`, falling back to check for a `commonName` for now. This feature is being removed by major browsers and deprecated by RFC 2818. (See https://github.com/shazow/urllib3/issues/497 for details.) | 13:57 |
| mordred | SecurityWarning | 13:57 |
| mordred | /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py:769: InsecureRequestWarning: Unverified HTTPS request is being made. Adding certificate verification is strongly advised. See: https://urllib3.readthedocs.org/en/latest/security.html | 13:57 |
| mordred | InsecureRequestWarning) | 13:57 |
| mordred | /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py:769: InsecureRequestWarning: Unverified HTTPS request is being made. Adding certificate verification is strongly advised. See: https://urllib3.readthedocs.org/en/latest/security.html | 13:57 |
| mordred | InsecureRequestWarning) | 13:57 |
| mordred | ERROR: openstack HTTPInternalServerError (HTTP 500) | 13:57 |
| mordred | btw - that request succeeded | 13:57 |
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| fungi | yeah. there is a fundamental disconnect in some parts of the python library world. in the beforetime, when people still wrote things in a language called "c" (i think it was short for "cat"), there was this expectation that libraries should not spit errors to your terminal | 14:06 |
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| fungi | applications calling into urrlib/requests should i think be trapping that sort of thing and then making decisions based on it, not just helpfully passing it along to the end user | 14:07 |
| mordred | fungi: I'm just impressed that I got 3 warnings AND a 500 error ... and the command still worked | 14:08 |
| clarkb | wow everyone is awake | 14:08 |
| mordred | clarkb: it's a party! | 14:08 |
| fungi | clarkb: it's an illusion | 14:08 |
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| fungi | (illusory party) | 14:08 |
| mordred | clarkb, fungi: if you want fun morning-rage, the scrollback in #tripleo has me trying to figure out debian and ubuntu locale generation | 14:08 |
| fungi | i missed the 500 isr at the end. thought you were still on about the urllib3 exceptions | 14:09 |
| mordred | fungi: I was on about all of it | 14:09 |
| mordred | because it's all silly | 14:09 |
| * fungi has a silly hat | 14:09 | |
| mordred | fungi is a silly hat | 14:09 |
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| mordred | fungi, clarkb: a +A on https://review.openstack.org/177545 would be a friendly | 14:11 |
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| clarkb | I'm watching temp rise on smoker | 14:11 |
| fungi | SpamapS: AJaeger has a valid suggestion | 14:13 |
| fungi | (on 177545) | 14:13 |
| fungi | i can update it myself in a minute if you're otherwise engaged | 14:14 |
| mordred | fungi: I've got that repo in the middle of a different state - if you don't mind, that would be nice | 14:16 |
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| fungi | on it | 14:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Remove precise functests for diskimage-builder https://review.openstack.org/177545 | 14:19 |
| mordred | neat. | 14:19 |
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| mordred | fungi: ooh - I think I see a way to emit a warning | 14:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gal Sagie proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Enable a check job for stackforge/dragonflow https://review.openstack.org/175152 | 14:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Remove precise functests for diskimage-builder https://review.openstack.org/177545 | 14:45 |
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| mordred | fungi: nope. nevermind. | 14:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/bindep: Don't support setup.py install https://review.openstack.org/177553 | 15:23 |
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| fungi | mordred: well, ^ is fragile but seems to be the start of a workaround | 15:24 |
| fungi | as in, if pbr can't detect whether it's being run under setup.py install, then have setup.py do it (and cargo-cult/cookiecutter it to projects using pbr) | 15:25 |
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| fungi | i'm sure there are all sorts of nuanced complexities i'm missing even going that route | 15:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Terry Howe proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add OpenStack Python SDK gate https://review.openstack.org/177554 | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/glean: Handle not having an ssh_key in config-drive https://review.openstack.org/177556 | 15:43 |
| mordred | fungi, greghaynes, SpamapS: ^^ | 15:44 |
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| mordred | fungi: so - problem is - pip will eventually call setup.py itself | 15:44 |
| mordred | fungi: the tricky part is detecting if pip called setup.py install, or if a user did | 15:45 |
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| mordred | fungi: see Daviey's post to openstack-dev | 15:47 |
| mordred | fungi: I think he might win for being hackiest this week | 15:47 |
| fungi | mordred: right. my stab at it was that if sys.argv[0] is setup.py and install is a parameter to it, then pip seems to not do that | 15:47 |
| mordred | fungi: well - we could do that in pbr without having to cargo cult, fwiw | 15:47 |
| fungi | ooh, good one Daviey | 15:48 |
| mordred | of course ... this gets us into another tiff ... | 15:48 |
| fungi | mordred: ahh, right pbr has access to the command line arguments as well | 15:48 |
| mordred | which is that python setup.py install --single-version-externally-managed _is_ supported - because dh_python and rpm spec files | 15:48 |
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| fungi | aha, so this turns into a mess of corner cases and spaghetti logic in the end | 15:49 |
| mordred | so - how about we detect both | 15:49 |
| mordred | distros should be using --single-version-externally-managed | 15:49 |
| mordred | if they're not, it's a bug | 15:49 |
| mordred | users should not be using setup.py at all | 15:49 |
| mordred | for install | 15:50 |
| mordred | so we can look at your trick, and also look for --single-version-externally-managed in the args | 15:50 |
| fungi | for develop either (vs pip install -e)? | 15:50 |
| mordred | well, develop can be simpler | 15:50 |
| mordred | just flat don't do it | 15:50 |
| fungi | or is that still expected to work? | 15:50 |
| fungi | righht-o | 15:50 |
| mordred | nope. you should use pip install -e | 15:50 |
| mordred | because otherwise fail | 15:50 |
| mordred | so - we can detect and then give a nice verbose error message | 15:51 |
| mordred | "setup.py install is not supported for end users. If you are a human, please use pip install . instead. If you are a distro pacakger, please add --single-version-externally-managed, which is almost certainly required by your distro packaging policy" | 15:51 |
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| fungi | cool. my main concern was that a lot of devs coming in from other projects likely have finger memory for these commands, and throwing some crazy exception from deep in the bowels of a packaging chain (or even worse, subtly breaking later), so clearly exiting with an error message instead saying not to do that is the fastest way to get them on the right track | 15:52 |
| mordred | yup | 15:52 |
| mordred | fungi: W00T | 15:55 |
| mordred | fungi: it totally works | 15:55 |
| fungi | right on | 15:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Stop re-invoking pip https://review.openstack.org/175369 | 16:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Prevent the invocation of setup.py install https://review.openstack.org/177557 | 16:03 |
| mordred | fungi: enjoy :) | 16:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Prevent the invocation of setup.py install https://review.openstack.org/177557 | 16:12 |
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| mordred | fungi, Daviey: ^^ updated to do develop, and also to properly handle distro packaging | 16:13 |
| fungi | mordred: see the docstring typo i pointed out on ps1 btw | 16:13 |
| mordred | fungi, Daviey: ^^ updated to do develop, and also to properly handle distro packaging | 16:13 |
| mordred | looking | 16:13 |
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| mordred | fungi: ok. fixed that and one other thing | 16:15 |
| fungi | aside from that ps2 also looking good | 16:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Prevent the invocation of setup.py install https://review.openstack.org/177557 | 16:15 |
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| mordred | replied to the mailing list | 16:17 |
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| mordred | fungi: we shold probably make a release that prints the error message but still keeps going | 16:19 |
| mordred | fungi: and then make a release which errors | 16:19 |
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| mordred | fungi: to give people a time to catch and remediate issues | 16:19 |
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| fungi | mordred: good idea | 16:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Loudly warn about invocation of setup.py install https://review.openstack.org/177557 | 16:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Error on invocation of setup.py install https://review.openstack.org/177558 | 16:22 |
| mordred | fungi: done | 16:22 |
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| fungi | mordred: pep8 seems to have some things it would like to annoy you about regarding your docstring formatting and punctuation on 177557 | 16:46 |
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| fungi | also it looks like 177558 is actually going to break some tests | 16:48 |
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| fungi | we have at least one unit test triggering that path, but also the integration test script actually does a setup.py develop right now | 16:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Terry Howe proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add OpenStack Python SDK gate https://review.openstack.org/177554 | 20:54 |
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