| fungi | or they may do like we (openstack vmt) do and just maintain a list of downstream contacts | 00:00 |
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| fungi | so we reach out to the openstack packagers for the distros directly rather than posting to the closed distros ml | 00:01 |
| fungi | i think a lot of larger projects operate the same way. the distros ml is more for projects who don't know who might be packaging their software | 00:01 |
| persia | Interesting. | 00:03 |
| persia | Adds a bit of burden for smaller software delivery groups, as they can't just rely on having someone subscribed to distros@ to know things, but helps avoid the gateway of a security team that can't tell the folk who actually need to do the work. | 00:04 |
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| fungi | yeah, and in our case we document that you can contact us and provide your rationale for getting added to our pre-ossa advance notification list | 00:09 |
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| fungi | persia: if you're planning to attend oscon, you should totally crash my talk on the openstack vmt processes and challenges! i think it'll be interesting, but then again i'm the one writing it so i probably have to think that | 00:11 |
| fungi | not sure what day they have me scheduled yet though | 00:11 |
| persia | Thanks for reminding me where I was supposed to fly in July: it had escaped me yesterday :) | 00:12 |
| fungi | also, openstack's fifth birthday party! can't miss that ;) | 00:12 |
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| fungi | finally managed to get this gear assembly back together, but now i have rather a few tools i need to de-grease | 00:16 |
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| jroll | JayF: fungi: xen project publishes their pre-disclosure list: http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Archived/Security_vulnerability_process_%28draft%29#Pre-disclosure_list | 01:19 |
| fungi | i'd like to do the same, but we've had some concern that if we did, we'd be beset by requests to be added because vendors want people to see them listed there, and less because they need to be | 01:20 |
| fungi | unfortunately openstack is popular in "that way" that a lot of projects aren't. it becomes a visibility race | 01:21 |
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| jroll | yeah, could totally see that | 01:22 |
| * jroll goes away for the weekend, have a good one :) | 01:22 | |
| fungi | you too! | 01:22 |
| fungi | this is neat https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/ctsrd/cheri/ | 01:22 |
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| ricolin | Hi guys, I have a CCLA question here. | 07:28 |
| ricolin | when I signup CCLA here | 07:28 |
| ricolin | what exactly is the name I need to fill up in Schedule A | 07:29 |
| ricolin | their Name in Openstack ID? | 07:29 |
| ricolin | or just arbitrary name | 07:30 |
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| fungi | ricolin: i don't know much about the ccla other than what's published at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HowToUpdateCorporateCLA | 12:17 |
| fungi | ricolin: you should e-mail communitymngr@openstack.org with any ccla-related questions | 12:17 |
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| ekarlso | is falcon accepted as a framework for openstack apis? | 12:19 |
| ricolin | fungi: Thx a lot! I'm on it! | 12:19 |
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| ekarlso | or is it pecan or nothing | 12:19 |
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| fungi | ekarlso: that might be better addressed with a thread on the openstack-dev mailing list. i doubt you're going to get much discussion for a topic like that in the project infrastructure irc channel | 12:41 |
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| fungi | (also i really don't know the answer, if there even is one) | 12:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed stackforge/gertty: Support regexes in search https://review.openstack.org/172649 | 15:32 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed stackforge/gertty: Do not enqueue duplicate tasks https://review.openstack.org/172650 | 15:32 |
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| mordred | ekarlso: pecan | 15:40 |
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| mordred | ekarlso: if you're writing a new api, you should use pecan/wsme | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Publish shade docs to docs.openstack.org/infra https://review.openstack.org/170223 | 16:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Public os-client-config docs to docs.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/172640 | 16:14 |
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| bknudson | keystoneclient stable/juno branch has check-keystoneclient-dsvm-functional running against it | 16:35 |
| bknudson | but the functional target isn't in stable/juno | 16:35 |
| bknudson | it's only in master | 16:35 |
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| tristanC | so due to an error, PTL elections had to be restarted, new ballots have been sent.... | 16:37 |
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| mordred | tristanC: what's being contested other than nova? | 16:38 |
| bknudson | glance | 16:38 |
| mordred | ah | 16:39 |
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| tristanC | I'll now send a notice mail to all affected voter to make it clear that the previous ballot are canceled and they must use the new one | 16:41 |
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| tristanC | Again, apologizes for any inconvenience this error may have caused. | 16:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Run keystoneclient functional tests on master only https://review.openstack.org/172658 | 16:45 |
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| bknudson | maybe there's a better way to do it ^ ? | 16:46 |
| fungi | tristanC: no need to apologize--these things happen, but thanks for spotting it so quickly! | 16:46 |
| fungi | bknudson: you want to override it in zuul/layout.yaml instead | 16:47 |
| bknudson | I should have known! | 16:47 |
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| mordred | bknudson: we can actually filter it on the zuul side | 16:47 |
| clarkb | and exlude icehouse and juno | 16:47 |
| fungi | bknudson: in the jobs section you'll see plenty of jobs which just have branch: master | 16:47 |
| clarkb | dont pin to master | 16:47 |
| fungi | or, yes, clarkb's suggestion is better | 16:47 |
| clarkb | since that test should run on kilo | 16:47 |
| mordred | wow. we all popped to that real quick | 16:47 |
| clarkb | mordred did you see my terrible start at ansiblifying d-g? | 16:48 |
| tristanC | bknudson: sadly the civs system doesn't let us discard a wrong ballot and/or send a single ballot to another e-mail | 16:48 |
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| clarkb | mordred it will need to be a few changes but I think it makes our multinode testing story much better (or will right now its still broken) | 16:49 |
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| bknudson | tristanC: I was asking about the infra change, not the re-vote... you might also be interested in the infra change if you were aware of any security vulnerabilities that need fixing in keystoneclient stable/juno. | 16:51 |
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| bknudson | is "branch: ^(stable/).*$" the branches it doesn't run on? | 16:55 |
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| clarkb | no thats a positive matching regex | 16:56 |
| clarkb | look for !? to find negative lookaheads | 16:56 |
| clarkb | or is it ?! | 16:56 |
| bknudson | ^(?!stable/icehouse).*$ | 16:56 |
| clarkb | ya that says match anything except stable/icehoise | 16:56 |
| bknudson | ^(?!stable/(?:icehouse|juno)).*$ | 16:57 |
| clarkb | that should do it | 16:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Run keystoneclient functional tests on master only https://review.openstack.org/172658 | 16:59 |
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| mordred | clarkb: woot! - I didn't see it ... | 17:00 |
| mordred | clarkb: where shoudl I look? (I'd love to help) | 17:01 |
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| clarkb | mordred https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172614/ | 17:02 |
| clarkb | I am avoiding playbooks to keep the diff sane for now | 17:02 |
| clarkb | but chunks of ansible commands are coming together that will make natural playbooks for followup changes I think | 17:02 |
| mordred | ++ | 17:02 |
| clarkb | also all the run logic is still in bash | 17:02 |
| mordred | yah - makes total sense | 17:02 |
| mordred | I think that's a good stepwise plan that's easy to read | 17:03 |
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| clarkb | which I think is important for now (much easier to debug) | 17:03 |
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| clarkb | but multinode jobs were super slow because we do everything serially across both nodes | 17:04 |
| clarkb | and this makes a simple model for "setup X on all nodes" | 17:04 |
| mordred | clarkb: btw - would be super easy to have nodepool spit out inventory files as a followon step | 17:04 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 17:04 |
| clarkb | I actually want inventory in d-g | 17:04 |
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| mordred | whyfo? | 17:04 |
| mordred | whyfor? | 17:05 |
| clarkb | so that it can decide at runtime what the topology is | 17:05 |
| mordred | ah - ok | 17:05 |
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| mordred | wfm | 17:05 |
| clarkb | it doesnt do that now but a 2 node env can be two nodes in many ways | 17:05 |
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| mordred | yup. that it can | 17:05 |
| bknudson | I've got 2 problems down with keystoneclient stable/juno ... one left. | 17:05 |
| greghaynes | smells like inventory plugin eventually | 17:06 |
| greghaynes | although thats silly now since looks like you can literally just cat the nodes list into inventory file ;) | 17:07 |
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| clarkb | yup the only special inventory thing is to make localhost a local connection to avoid ssh setup | 17:07 |
| clarkb | I need to debug the rsync failures and finish merging primary and sub node devstack runs | 17:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Run keystoneclient functional tests on master only https://review.openstack.org/172658 | 17:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Move server outside of puppetmaster class https://review.openstack.org/172485 | 17:15 |
| bknudson | keystoneclient stable/juno is running both gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-keystoneclient and gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-keystoneclient-juno ... does that make sense? | 17:15 |
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| bknudson | seems like they'd be the same thing. | 17:15 |
| clarkb | bknudson we can remove the -juno job now that the client has a stable branch | 17:16 |
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| clarkb | as the normal job will select based on change branch properly | 17:17 |
| bknudson | clarkb: remove the -juno job from all branches? | 17:17 |
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| clarkb | just from keystoneclient | 17:17 |
| bknudson | I'll propose the change and can comment there. | 17:18 |
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| bknudson | ... if I can figure out what the change is... | 17:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Publish os-client-config docs to docs.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/172640 | 17:33 |
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| mordred | clarkb: did you ever learn what's up with the multiprocessing line in setup.py ? | 17:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Stop running gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-keystoneclient-juno https://review.openstack.org/172662 | 17:38 |
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| bknudson | I think that should do it. | 17:39 |
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| mordred | clarkb: oh - also - in a fit of "zomg someone actually did something good" ... | 17:44 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I was talking to flaper87 at pycon and he tells me that kilo glance has glance-side image conversions | 17:45 |
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| mordred | clarkb: so a day exists in the future where we can stop caring about image versions | 17:45 |
| mordred | s/versions/formats/ | 17:46 |
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| ekarlso | mordred: why the force of choice :P | 18:11 |
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| mordred | ekarlso: because it's an area where being different has no benefit | 18:14 |
| mordred | :) | 18:14 |
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| mordred | there are tons of areas where making choices is either creative or beneficial in some way | 18:14 |
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| ekarlso | :p | 18:17 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: that would be amazing! | 18:28 |
| greghaynes | (not caring about image versions) | 18:28 |
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| greghaynes | now if we can only get rid of having to know about uploading to swift as a client | 18:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: WIP: Make multinode first class with ansible https://review.openstack.org/172614 | 18:44 |
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| clarkb | you know we really do a ton of config just to make live migration work | 18:46 |
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| mordred | greghaynes: yah. OR - make it the thing you always do | 19:04 |
| mordred | greghaynes: you know, it wouldn't bother me if it was ALWAYS "upload an image to swift then tell glance about it" | 19:05 |
| mordred | greghaynes: but the way it is now, it's a leaky impl detail | 19:05 |
| greghaynes | Yea, id definitely settle for a consistent recipe | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | mordred: there is a thread on the docs list about how glance image-upload does not work anymore | 19:09 |
| clarkb | mordred: you might want to look into that and see if that is because swift is required | 19:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | clarkb: hey , sorry, didn't see your message till now | 19:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | i didn't perform an upgrade no | 19:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | and didn't have that problem locally of not getting the puppetdb module installed | 19:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: WIP: Make multinode first class with ansible https://review.openstack.org/172614 | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | the next real question is whether or not oepnstack can handle being deployed in parallel | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I have a big feeling the answer is no | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | well it returned 0, lets see if tempest finds a working cloud | 19:32 |
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| fungi | rcarrillocruz: yeah, it apparently doesn't want to install a newer version if there's a version of the same module already installed | 19:33 |
| rcarrillocruz | yay puppet | 19:33 |
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| rcarrillocruz | so the script should have some sort of force flag to update modules then i guess | 19:33 |
| fungi | because, you know, who would want upgrades? | 19:33 |
| rcarrillocruz | hah | 19:34 |
| fungi | right, probably | 19:34 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: it does upgrade | 19:34 |
| clarkb | anyways I think the real fix is to stop using `puppet module` and just use git for everything | 19:34 |
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| fungi | it doesn't seem to upgrade if you just request a specific version that's newer than one which is installed though | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | mordred: latest patchset of ansible stuff is about where I think this change will end up | 20:00 |
| clarkb | mordred: then will put ones atop to do localrc generation local to boxes and setup network overlays via ansible but I expect both of those changes to be less straightforard | 20:00 |
| clarkb | so better to separate | 20:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephanie Miller proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add default from address https://review.openstack.org/172578 | 20:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed stackforge/gertty: Fix searching for message https://review.openstack.org/172667 | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed stackforge/gertty: Fix age searching https://review.openstack.org/172668 | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed stackforge/gertty: Fix searching by reviewer account id https://review.openstack.org/172669 | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed stackforge/gertty: Make "limit" a noop in queries https://review.openstack.org/172670 | 20:17 |
| fungi | JayF: btw, here's the other one http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/04/11/10 | 20:19 |
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| jeblair | tchaypo: try https://review.openstack.org/172650 and see if it helps. it should run _way_ fewer sync tasks after a long interval of disuse. it may not make very much difference with near-continuous use though. | 20:21 |
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| jeblair | bombs away | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gertty: Highlight starred changes in list https://review.openstack.org/166572 | 20:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gertty: Add held changes https://review.openstack.org/167838 | 20:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gertty: Make change-id a search link in change screen https://review.openstack.org/171378 | 20:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gertty: Add a key to return to the project list https://review.openstack.org/171380 | 20:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gertty: Highlight own name on change screen https://review.openstack.org/171381 | 20:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Brown proposed openstack/requirements: Bump cryptography to 0.8.2 for thread safety fix https://review.openstack.org/172672 | 20:31 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: i'm excited you're writing some jobs in ansible; you might be writing the first zuulv3 jobs before it even exists :) | 20:34 |
| jeblair | clarkb: if you have a sec to take a look at the spec and see if you think it is heading in the right direction to facilitate the goals you're working on now, that would be cool | 20:35 |
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| clarkb | jeblair can do, and yes I thought it may start that direction | 20:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Correct platform codenames in bindep fallback https://review.openstack.org/172674 | 20:55 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I'm not sure I've ever read the docs list | 20:59 |
| mordred | clarkb: you have a link handy? | 20:59 |
| clarkb | mordred let me look | 20:59 |
| clarkb | mordred http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-April/006269.html | 21:00 |
| clarkb | that thread | 21:00 |
| mordred | clarkb: thanks | 21:00 |
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| mordred | so - btw - this is why we should run NNTP and not mail | 21:03 |
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| mordred | because it's very hard for me to be informed of a thread in a mailing list I'm not subscribed to and then respond to the thread becasue I was never on it | 21:03 |
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| mordred | too bad the better technology lost yet again | 21:04 |
| fungi | true. i really, _really_ wish pipermail showed the msg-id so i could form my own in-reply-to headers without still having the original message handy in my inbox | 21:04 |
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| fungi | it results in me pretty much invariably breaking threads when replying later to messages where my only reference is the web archive | 21:05 |
| mordred | yup | 21:06 |
| fungi | setting aside that using a newsgroup would also save me from having to cut and paste the original message in so i could quote from it | 21:06 |
| mordred | it would be better in every conceivable way | 21:06 |
| fungi | like unicorns crapping rainbows into my computer | 21:07 |
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| Clint | đź‘Ť | 21:08 |
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| * fungi agrees with Clint | 21:09 | |
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| * Clint nods. | 21:09 | |
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| openstackgerrit | David Stanek proposed stackforge/gertty: Rename gertty.app to gertty.gui https://review.openstack.org/172677 | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | David Stanek proposed stackforge/gertty: Removes the need to pass around the app object https://review.openstack.org/172678 | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | David Stanek proposed stackforge/gertty: Moves common code from gertty.gui into gertty.app https://review.openstack.org/172679 | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | David Stanek proposed stackforge/gertty: Use a named argument for server https://review.openstack.org/172680 | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | David Stanek proposed stackforge/gertty: Add the initial CLI implementation https://review.openstack.org/172681 | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | David Stanek proposed stackforge/gertty: wip: add sync CLI command https://review.openstack.org/172682 | 21:17 |
| dstanek | jeblair: i started pushing some of those gertty changes i mentioned on Thursday ^ | 21:18 |
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| mordred | clarkb: enjoy the rage-reply I just sent | 21:22 |
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| clarkb | mordred nice | 21:34 |
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| fungi | of course it's all bcwaldon's fault ;) | 21:44 |
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| tchaypo | mordred: so it seems I’m not on some list either | 22:53 |
| tchaypo | so all I have of that thread is anne saying “here’s a weekly update” and then you raging about glanceclient | 22:53 |
| tchaypo | and it’s only underneath your rant I can see a whole nother discussion someone seems to have raised on a docs list about a problem they’re having with glance | 22:54 |
| tchaypo | I would have expected that conversation to be gently batted away to a more appropriate place right at the start | 22:55 |
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| greghaynes | wow, that is timely | 22:57 |
| tchaypo | and in other news | 22:57 |
| tchaypo | I’m being invited to vote on the Glance PTL | 22:57 |
| greghaynes | given all the work were doing with image upload differences between clouds right now | 22:57 |
| tchaypo | what did i do to glance? | 22:57 |
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| tchaypo | greghaynes: i suspect that’s my mordred is a little grumpy | 22:57 |
| tchaypo | oh. | 22:58 |
| tchaypo | git show b52c7970a0e14a2be1526c2d6312e023272b3912 | 22:58 |
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| tchaypo | I fixed a sys.exit call to use a unicode string so that it would display the right error message instead of just “hey, that string isn’t unicode, bye now!" | 22:59 |
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| greghaynes | mordred: you left the metadata bit out also | 23:02 |
| greghaynes | mordred: where if you dont set it, everything looks good then your nodes fail to boot because they "couldnt be scheduled" | 23:03 |
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| tchaypo | jeblair: in my case “long interval of disuse” seems to mean “overnight” - probably because most nights there’s an entire .EU day and most of a .US day happening while I’m gone | 23:29 |
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| jeblair | tchaypo: well, let me know if you see a behavior change with that patch. hopefully we can get it down to only downloading the data it needs to, and only doing it once. :) | 23:38 |
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| jeblair | dstanek: thanks! | 23:38 |
| tchaypo | jeblair: will do :) | 23:39 |
| tchaypo | since you’re here | 23:39 |
| tchaypo | I’ve been trying to figure out if there’s anything we can do to reduce the number of times gertty has to do the https handshake | 23:39 |
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| jeblair | dstanek: 'gui' is an interesting choice to call the existing app. i mean, i guess everything is relative, huh? :) | 23:40 |
| tchaypo | I was hoping that it was naively opening a new connection for each request, because that would be low-hanging fruit | 23:40 |
| tchaypo | but it seems to be pretty sensible already | 23:40 |
| tchaypo | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lqlSEir5 | 23:40 |
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| tchaypo | I gave ^^^ a try but it doesn’t seem to make much difference - and afaict steam=True is the default anyway | 23:40 |
| jeblair | tchaypo: yeah, i think that fruit has already been picked by a certain kiwi, iirc :) | 23:41 |
| tchaypo | kiwis (the birds at least) only get really, really low hanging fruit | 23:42 |
| tchaypo | they’re <12” tall and can’t fly.. | 23:42 |
| jeblair | indeed | 23:42 |
| tchaypo | this particular kiwi usually tackles things much higher | 23:42 |
| jeblair | actually, i think they mostly eat bugs | 23:42 |
| jeblair | which is great because we have a lot around here | 23:43 |
| jeblair | good habitat | 23:43 |
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| jeblair | dstanek: those patches are nice! i think this is going to be even nicer than i imagined from your description :) i left a couple of trivial comments; i don't see any substantial issues. | 23:53 |
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