Saturday, 2014-12-20

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clarkb~17 minutes until that neutron change merges00:29
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fungii'm running what i hope are final tests on the pbr 0.10.5 candidate00:39
fungiwill push momentarily if all is well00:39
clarkbmordred: so I have to say the x240's keyboard and mouse situation are not great compared to x220 but the keyboard is useale and with some xorg.conf.d tweaks so is the mouse. but you get amazing battery life without a slice and a much better display.00:40
clarkbfungi: awesome00:40
fungistatic analysis and unit tests pass on 27/33/34. now to trey and see if it un-breaks poppy00:40
mtreinishclarkb: that sounds a lot like my x100:41
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clarkbmtreinish: x1 doesn't have 12-14 hours of battery life :)00:41
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fungiit does if you duct tape a car battery to it00:41
mtreinishheh, no I only get between 6-8 which is the best I've ever had :)00:42
fungi[proof all problems can be solved with adequate quantities of duct tape]00:42
clarkbI kinda wish they just RM'd the clickpad and gave that extra space over to more battery00:42
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mtreinishcoming from my old t61p where I got 2 if I was lucky 6 is amazing00:43
clarkbdstufft: ha00:43
mordredclarkb: oh yeah?00:43
clarkbmtreinish: ya my old machine was a 2009 netbook with ~3 hours00:43
mordredclarkb: so, it's not a pile of crap?00:44
fungi0.10.5 candidate fixes poppy's nose problems00:44
clarkbmordred: not entirely. I mean they could make a much better machine00:44
clarkbmordred: which is a bit aggravating knowing that. but this is basically better than everything else I think00:44
mordredright - but if I got one instead of my HP thing I'd be happier00:44
clarkbmordred: I would be at least00:44
fungidstufft: classic!00:44
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mordredclarkb: it's got the not-real-mouse-button problem, right?00:45
clarkbya it has a clickpad00:45
clarkbwhere the touchpad clicks down as a mouse00:45
* mordred stabs everyone in channel who has a mac00:45
mordredok. I'm done00:46
clarkbso I have it set up so that the top 20% of it is not touchpad and is divided into third for right, middle, left click00:46
clarkbso I can still click with my thumbs like on old thinkpads00:46
mordredok. well, that's not terrible00:46
mordredif I get one, I'll want to copy your xorg.conf.d :)00:46
fungiclarkb: one thing to note... i think my import of will inadvertently bring on the s/dev/post/00:47
clarkbfungi: 0.10 already doe sthat00:47
clarkbfungi: so I think it should be fine00:47
clarkb(and master does not fwiw because semver)00:47
fungiclarkb: oh, okay. right, that's why it seemed different00:47
mtreinishclarkb: on mine I did top 15% mouse buttons then everything except for the bottom 5% is disabled. I couldn't turn the bottom 85% off and have the mouse clicks work00:48
fungiclarkb: mordred: dhellmann: dstufft:
clarkbmtreinish: huh I can show you my xorg.conf00:48
jeblairclarkb, mtreinish: do you make little clicky sounds with your tounge when you push the touchpad?00:48
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clarkbjeblair: it actually clicks pretty well00:49
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clarkbmtreinish: area top edge is the magic00:49
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mordredclarkb, fungi: it's so sad that we can't depend on other libraries in pbr ...00:51
jeblairclarkb: can you look at 143217?00:51
jeblairmordred: ^ you too00:51
mtreinishclarkb: just copied mine:
clarkbjeblair: sure00:52
mtreinishI mis-remembered most of it :)00:52
jeblairclarkb, mordred: i want to do the same test(s), both with and without ssl00:52
mtreinishclarkb: with that the very bottom of the touchpad still works00:52
jeblairclarkb, mordred: so if we assume that i move the client and worker init into setUp (where the server is initted)00:52
mordredfungi: +200:53
fungii have several homemade strombolis fresh out of the oven. i should reduce their numbers00:53
jeblairclarkb, mordred: basically that's the only thing that needs to change (the ssl args are for the initializers of those 3 classes)00:53
fungialso a new case of my favorite domestic sake came in today from oregon00:53
fungiall things which need to be reduced00:53
jeblairclarkb, mordred: so how do i do this in a way so i can re-use the test_foo method?00:53
signed8bitfungi: Oh what brewer?00:53
clarkbfungi: mordred safe to approve that ya?00:54
mordredclarkb: lgtm00:54
clarkbfungi: I know the one from forest grove00:54
clarkbya them00:54
clarkbmordred: ok I am approving00:54
clarkbalso gat ereset so neutron change is still a bit out00:55
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mordredjeblair: so - one sec, I think I know the answer, but I need to find the reference00:55
signed8bitExcellent. I can no longer get good sake since we are in TN. I got spoiled in the bay area going to True Sake in San Francisco.00:55
fungisigned8bit: i have found retailers and restaurants in nc who carry it, and tn can't really be any more backward than here ;)00:56
clarkbmordred: jeblair: I think you have a class inherit from object with your test and no setup. Then you hae two test classes that mix in the first class00:57
clarkbthat way they can have two different setups run against the same test00:57
signed8bitfungi: Oh we have to have to weirdest liquor laws in the US I think. :-)00:57
fungihard to beat missouri for that00:57
fungiactually, i had friends who would run over the border to tn and pick up certain brands of booze we couldn't get in nc00:58
jeblairmordred: clarkb's idea works00:59
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signed8bitA while back Dogfish Head bailed on TN due to the laws. I think they are coming back in 2015 though.00:59
clarkbfungi: their pearl is good00:59
clarkbbut I like sweet sake01:00
funginevermind. i was confusing missouri with kansas. kansas has seriously strict liquor laws, missouri by comparison very few01:00
signed8bitha... I don't doubt it having visited both01:00
clarkboh I approved that chang ebut it will not pass tests until neutron goes in01:00
clarkboh well01:00
clarkbsigned8bit: also the trick is to just make your own01:01
fungiclarkb: yeah, a lot of the momokawa varieties are pretty excellent. i like the pearl but am rarely in the mood for nigori. the diamond is more regularly drinkable for me01:01
jeblairsome days all of west berkeley smells like sake due to takara... it's torture.01:01
signed8bityep! I am been planning that endeavor01:01
clarkbin factI could probably steam enough rice on my new gas range to start a sake batch01:01
clarkbplan is to brew a beer or two monday though01:01
fungitakara's stuff is pretty great too01:02
fungii like that they're brewing here in the usa01:02
fungi(in addition to their japanese breweries)01:02
clarkbmordreds thing is more magical than mine01:04
mordredmine uses the general mechanism for doing the same test with different combinations of parameters01:04
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signed8bitYeah I haven't seen that around here. Used to get it a lot in CA.01:04
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fungimordred: that is magic01:09
jeblairmordred: oh, okay, thanks.  yeah, i think that's used in another test file, but didn't quite realize it worked in a way that could be used in setup...01:09
fungi(magic in a good way... it's _too_ readable)01:10
fungii need to get more familiar with testscenarios01:10
mordredtestscenarios are great01:11
mordredit takes a few minutes to wrap the head around what they're doing, and then once you do, it's great01:11
mordredwhat's REALLY fun is the load_tests file that programatically builds the scenarios that we use in hacking ...01:12
mordred_that's_ some magic01:12
mtreinishfungi: there are a few examples in tempest which aren't too bad01:12
mtreinishthat generate scenarios over values in the config file for example01:12
fungimtreinish: mordred: awesome. checking those out01:13
mordredfungi: don't read the hacking one first01:13
mordredfungi: it's the one that hurts01:13
fungihrm. maybe that'll be saturday reading01:13
jeblairclarkb, mordred: i was thinking we might use scenarios to run the same gear tests but with different packet configurations... like "the packets all arive at once", "they arrive one at a time", "they arrive half a packet at a time", etc.01:14
fungimy evening is rapidly vanishing out from under me01:14
mtreinishfungi: and
jeblairfungi: yes, but soon you will have the entire morning before you01:14
fungias we operate all of our software in clouds which have to hack down interface mtus, i expect fragmentation is pretty much constant for us01:15
fungior maybe pmtud has gotten much better in recent years01:15
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fungis/better/more commonplace/01:16
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mordredjeblair: that's probably a great idea01:18
mordredjeblair: I really like how scenarios let you write the logic once01:19
mordredjeblair: and just define input and output combinations01:19
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mordredjeblair: it's ALMOST like how in CS class you'd write pre and post conditions into your header comments above a function :)01:19
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notmynamemordred: jeblair: so if I wanted to stop flying with united and choose someone else, what airline should it be?01:22
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notmynamethat would be cool01:23
* fungi is not helpful01:23
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jeblairnotmyname: i'm pretty sure they all suck.  mordred's experience eclipses mine on this point, certainly, and i think he typically flies delta, which over here means, i think, leaving from san jose a lot.01:25
notmynamejeblair: my current situation:
fungiwhile united is not so great, i haven't been particularly impressed with delta, usair or southwest either, which are the other ones i seem to end up on frequently01:25
fungii don't mind jetblue so much, but their routes are pretty sparse01:26
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jeblairnotmyname: but i'd probably stick with united due to the way the network looks from sfo (and sfo is much more convenient to me than sjc)01:26
jeblairnotmyname: ah, i am familiar with that problem!01:26
jeblairnotmyname: i don't have all the details, but i think many if not all of the airlines are doing somethig like PQD now01:27
notmynameya, united is transitioning to those completely. no miles. 2016 I think01:28
jeblairnotmyname: economy-plus seat upgrades count for pqd, btw.  if you happen to be flying already, you could probably spend about that much on one and meet your goal.  assuming you don't find that completely distasteful.01:28
notmynameactually I normally do that anyway01:28
notmynamegold on united is 50k + $5k. I've got 54k miles and $4804. of course even though i bought my family's tickets, that doesn't count01:29
notmynameso, I'm just annoyed01:29
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jeblairyeah.  they are also upping it for 2015, so it's like 50+$6k next year.01:31
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jeblairnotmyname: delta has "mqd" == "pqd"
jeblairnotmyname: exact same numbers (including the bump for next year)01:32
notmynameyup. I've got that pulled up.01:32
notmynamebut it looks like I won't get what I really want, since i don't currently qualify for gold01:33
jeblairnotmyname: so delta does rollover miles, which united doesn't do.  i don't know whether that would help in this case01:33
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jeblair(i don't know the fine print on whether / how they apply to status)01:34
notmynamewhat does that mean?01:34
jeblairnotmyname: so i think status qualifying miles rollover -- so in your case, you'd have 25k miles to apply immediately to 201501:34
jeblair"There will be no rollover of MQDs"01:35
notmynameah, that'd be interesting01:35
notmynameof course01:35
jeblairokay, but yeah, then there's that, so you're back to where you are :(01:35
clarkbI must be weird in that I just fly the best option01:36
clarkbgranted I have never lived near a hub so I have always had fewer options01:36
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jeblairactually, i think it's because i live near a hub that i have fewer options01:36
jeblairunited usually is the best option for me by most objective criteria, setting status aside.01:36
notmynameclarkb: a while back I decided just to focus on one airline to get miles there. I fly enough to get status with one airline. but not the crazy amount mordred do get status on all the airlines01:36
notmynamejeblair: right. me too. especially looking at known trips to vancouver and tokyo01:37
jeblairi am, however, _particularly_ annoyed that i can't buy a reasonable ticket to NZ that gets me united pqd01:37
notmynameyou going to lca this year?01:38
jeblairunited codeshares with airnz, but charges 3x for the same ticket.01:38
fungii've always lived nearish to crap airports, flown whatever's cheapest, and hated the experience enough that i'm mildly allergic to the idea of getting a "frequent traveller" anything01:38
notmynameyay. see you there (on the plane, that is)01:38
notmynamefungi: oh, I think everyone who flies often enough to get status also hates the experience. you're not alone ;-)01:39
jeblairfungi: yeah, it's a double edged sword.  with a pointy grip too.01:39
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fungii decided to skip the multi-day "indiana jones dotted line map animation sequence" to do lca this year. maybe the next one01:39
clarkbme too01:40
notmynameah, well. time to go upstairs to see the family. thanks for the insight01:40
jeblairfungi, clarkb: :(01:40
clarkbI decided I wanted to be alive this january and not constantly jet lagged01:40
fungii'm convincing myself i'll actually put in a talk for lca next year01:40
jeblairclarkb, fungi: i'm sad -- i think you might like my talk:
clarkbjeblair: sound awesome :)01:41
fungithat does look great01:41
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fungialso, that guy's a founding member of the OpenStack Project Infrastructure01:42
clarkbstewart did ask me to tlak at the CI miniconf and I felt bad declining01:42
fungiso you _know_ the talk will be good ;)01:42
clarkbbut I have to be on the other side of hte planet the week after then back home the week after that01:42
clarkbour neutron fix just failed01:42
jeblairfungi: haha, yeah, i've heard they're all awesome.01:42
fungineutron fix bounced out on random other brokens?01:43
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clarkbfungi: not sure what it failed on yet but yes that is initial indication01:43
fungioh, we still have hope that the cinder change ahead of it will break?01:43
clarkbfungi: wow thats a funnny thing to hope for :)01:44
fungiclarkb: we lose. it succeeded01:44
clarkbjeblair: are you able to spend extra time down there this time too?01:44
clarkbfungi: maybe we should call it a day? I can likely poke at things tomorrow01:45
jeblairclarkb: just a couple of days.  it'll be like a long weekend after, back on wednesday.01:45
clarkbI am trying to decide if I want a friday evening or saturday morning more01:45
fungiclarkb: yeah, i'm sort of sliding into the don't really care zone at this point01:45
fungimaybe i'll care again tomorrow01:46
clarkbfungi: me too o/01:46
fungior maybe i won't care again until monday. who knows? i'm unpredictable like that01:46
jeblairclarkb: i think i may have just confirmed via functional test that the nonblocking io change broke ssl01:47
jeblairclarkb: (not your change, mine)01:47
clarkbjeblair: nice (not the the change but rather that you can test and confirm that now)01:47
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/gear: WIP: Add SSL functional test
jeblairclarkb: ^ failing test01:49
dstufftfungi: i've only flown a handfull of times and I hated every single one of them01:50
dstufftairplanes are not made for 6'4 people01:51
clarkbjeblair: a quick skim is basically what I expected so as far as the test goes it look sgood01:51
jeblairclarkb: yeah, i rebased it on the commit before the nonblocking io change and it passed01:51
clarkbI do have to say I am super excited about not needing to fly to the next summit01:51
fungii'm sort of excited about maybe flying to portland and hopping on the party train01:52
clarkbfungi: :)01:52
jeblairi've done the berkeley -> vancouver road trip before and it's beautiful01:53
fungii haven't done enough train travel in the usa, so it's sort of novel here01:53
jeblairi overnighted in portland last time01:53
jeblairmaybe that's the way i should go to the summit :)01:53
clarkbjeblair: did you take ferries to do WA to canada or did you do a road border?01:53
jeblairclarkb: road, because i was continuing on to whistler01:54
jeblairthough i have also done ferries01:54
fungii think the only non-public-transit train i've ridden in the united states is one of refurbished the old supply lines in alaska01:54
clarkbfungi: it is actually not that bad especially for regional distances01:54
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clarkbyou get more leg room, can get up and move around, there is a dining car, drinks, wifi, and looking at the window is fun01:54
fungithe white pass and yukon rail was an interesting ride... good chunk of the day out and back01:55
clarkba year ago we did the "snow train" from seattle to leavenworth and that was a great day01:55
jeblairfungi: the train from sfbay -> portland/seattle is the coast starlight which sounds nice until you think about what it really means.  :(01:55
clarkbyou wake up early, ride train through mountains, get off in the snow and eat at a german restaurant, wander, watch tree lighting then go home01:55
clarkbjeblair: its a long one and requently delayed01:56
fungijeblair: yeah, eek01:56
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clarkbthe service between pdx and yvr is much better01:56
jeblairclarkb: cascades?01:56
clarkbjeblair: yup. starlight is an option up to seattle too01:57
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clarkbthe only problems tend to be bnsf priority and landslides in the puget sound area. Landslides shouldn't be that much of an issue that time of year01:58
jeblairhrm, it looks like portland -> seattle has a lot of options, but not as many for seattle -> vancouver01:58
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clarkbI was reading a thing where if you own a train car you can pay amtrak to tow you around01:58
jeblairso if you do portland -> seattle in daylight, seattle -> vancouver arrives at 10:5001:59
jeblairclarkb: yeah, but the requirements for that are very strict01:59
jeblairyou have to have a car that meets amtraks structural and electrical standards01:59
fungitrain towing sounds very much like a service i am never going to need01:59
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jeblair(so like full 480V pass-through at ungodly amps, etc)02:00
jeblairbecause even if you and they want your car to be on the end of the train, you never know when you might suddenly become the front02:00
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clarkbjeblair: have you looked into that as a thing to do :)02:00
jeblairhasn't everyone? ;)02:01
jeblaira friend of mine in raleigh is restoring a 1911 pullman heavyweight, and has looked into it.02:01
clarkbjeblair: ya the time schedule isn't great but its only $4802:01
clarkband you get to run around a train all day02:01
jeblairso while it's road-worthy on freight trains, bringing it up to passenger standards is prohibitive.  and since the car is ultimately destined for a museum, not really worth it02:02
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clarkbthere are train to bus options but the bus is not fun02:03
fungijeblair: is it headed for the nc transportation museum in spencer? that place is pretty neat02:04
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jeblairfungi: i love it :)02:04
fungilots of old tran cars02:04
fungier, train02:04
jeblairfungi: i think he'd like it to go there.  right now it's a personal hobby; last i knew i don't think there was an agreement in place02:05
jeblairit's actually in much better shape than it looks in that photo...02:05
fungiyeah, that's a classic for sure02:05
fungii wonder how much he pays for that parking space ;)02:05
jeblairthe csx folks are pretty nice :)02:05
jeblairinside i think he has the three sleeping compartments basically done02:06
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jeblairli and i spent weekends for a few years helping him out on that02:06
jeblairi have to run now, but next time we're having beers, make sure i tell you why that's probably the only train car IBM has moved.  :)02:07
fungimental note recorded02:07
clarkbI will try to remember that :)02:07
fungihave a good weekend!02:07
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openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Run post_test_hook even when GATE_RETVAL != 0
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mordrednotmyname: to be fair, I'm actually only crazy status on one airline02:25
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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Improve query efficiency on populate_run_time migration
openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add db_api method for updating an existing test_run
openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add migration to add test attrs column to test_runs table
openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Switch subunit2sql to set attrs in test_runs table
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openstackgerritKevin Carter proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Updated gerrit bot for new openstack-ansible branches
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cloudnullIf i wanted to raise a request to have a few branches cleaned up for a stackforge project should I raise a ticket in storyboard or open a launchpad question?02:46
cloudnullok just ask here to have it done? I've not seen anything specifically doc'd regarding that process. though its likely i've not been looking in the right places.02:48
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openstackgerritPraveen Kumar proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add Example to demonstrate flow plugin for job-template
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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add migration to add test attrs column to test_runs table
openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Switch subunit2sql to set attrs in test_runs table
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clarkbtchaypo whats with the most recent neutron revert rebase?05:40
clarkbdoesnt appear to have conflicted at least according to gerrit05:40
tchaypoit conflicted with my pre-coffee brain05:41
tchaypoi saw the conflict message, *didn’t* see the rebase right after it, thought that was why it was broken05:41
HenryGDoes anyone know if it is OK for one core reviewer (me) to approve a revert to unbreak the gate? (neutron)05:41
tchaypodid the rebase, came back, realised it had already been done05:41
HenryGThere are two reverts needed in neutron right now.  First then
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tchaypoHenryG: I don’t know what infra-team or neutron-team’s standards are, but personally I’d only want to do that if I was very confident it was going to make things better05:44
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HenryGtchaypo: Thanks. I checked it locally so I am pretty confident. But I am new to this core thing.05:45
tchaypo*checks again* looks like they’re both failing tests at the moment - maybe they’re breaking each other?05:45
tchaypoI’m not a core at all so happily it’s never my problem :)05:45
tchaypoI’ve certainly seen other people do it on tripleo05:46
HenryGtchaypo: No, they are independent05:46
HenryGOne breaks the functional job so that needs to get fixed first.05:47
HenryG*reverted first05:47
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openstackgerritNicolas Simonds proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Allow to use non-Keystone identity services
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Retrieve task statuses from the backend
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Retrieve task statuses from the backend
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fungiHenryG: i see you're still hammering on the symlink revert in neutron. give me a heads up when that lands since we have some pbr patches which are blocked on the requirements-integration job that symlink is breaking17:00
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HenryGfungi: will do17:21
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fungiHenryG: armax: see comment on 143152, the problem isn't pbr but rather symlinks in python packages period19:11
armaxfungi: yup I realized that…but I couldn’t be bother to review the commit message :)19:12
fungiarmax: heh, fair enough19:13
armaxfungi: I am still baffled as to why symlinks cannot be handled19:13
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fungiarmax: setuptools could degrade more gracefully there i think, but best case it should still not unpack them (for security reasons)19:14
armaxfungi: fair point…but then I wonder why git support them in the first place19:15
fungigit is about more than python packages and tarballs19:15
armaxI know, but still19:15
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armaxfungi: personally I just think that it should be possible to support them in setuptools19:17
fungito do that it would likely need to grow analogues of tar/cpio's link handling options19:18
fungifor safety19:18
armaxfungi: where there is a will there is a way :)19:18
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fungiyep, i'm sure it's a topic the setuptools maintainer would be glad to discuss with anyone who wanted to write secure support for that (as long as it deals with the same directory traversal and untrusted link risks)19:21
armaxfungi: or, as you rightly pointed out, make it so, that setuptools doesn’t barf that badly but just silently ignore the symlinks19:23
armaxbut I can see why this might not be the best thing to do in all cases19:23
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fungito protect ourselves, for now, we probably ought to simply have something like a hacking check for symlinks19:29
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fungisince the only place this problem ended up exposed was when trying to unpack the packages we made with symlinks inside them19:29
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armaxfungi: yup, I’ve toying with this idea…it should be fairly easy thing to do19:31
fungior, as clarkb suggested yesterday, alter one of the common jobs to do a non-develop install (for example the pep8 job)19:31
armaxfungi: I’ll whip something together19:32
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dstufftlooks like christian is ok with y'alls bandersnatch changes20:08
dstufftjust has comments on the PR20:08
fungijeblair: ^20:12
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dstufftarmax: fungi to be clear, I'm fairly sure it's distutils not setuptools that fails on symlinks20:13
fungidstufft: yep, saw the section of the distutils source you pointed out. setuptools is calling into distutils for that right?20:14
dstufftsetuptools could probably work around it20:15
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fungilooks like we're ~20 minutes from being able to recheck all the pbr changes21:41
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HenryGfungi: the fix is merged22:10
fungiHenryG: just saw the last job for it finish--thanks again!22:10
HenryGfungi: thank armax also. I was out xmas shopping most of the time.22:11
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fungiabsolutely--thanks armax!22:13
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fungiokay, important pbr changes are rechecked and +2 from me22:14
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