Tuesday, 2014-10-14

jrollmordred: tomorrow :P00:00
mordredoh. then no :)00:00
clarkbmordred: today according to my UTC clock on weechat00:00
clarkbin fact it just flipped over less than a minute ago00:00
jrollit's midnight, time to go home!00:01
clarkbnibalizer: did 93167 end up needing a rebase?00:01
* clarkb figures out how to see all jenkisn comments in gertty00:01
clarkband it did need a rebase /me revies00:02
openstackgerritpatrick-crews proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adding tripleo-ci files to be indexed by logstash  https://review.openstack.org/10784100:02
clarkband gertty crashed00:02
openstackgerritSpencer Krum proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Logstash: Modifying rewrite rules to allow kibana 3  https://review.openstack.org/9316700:02
nibalizerclarkb: it did need a rebase, but i rebased it post300:03
clarkbnibalizer: uhm you rebased again?00:03
nibalizerjust pressed rebase button cus it was there00:03
clarkbuh ok00:03
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nibalizerso it didn't need a rebase, but now we know for sure :)00:03
clarkbmordred: jeblair: in 89367 is that currently affecting our lists? and will the switch of providers do anything funny for the existing lists?00:06
clarkband has that been tested with puppet3?00:09
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/requirements: Add new requirement beautifulsoup4  https://review.openstack.org/11308400:11
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Run sideways ironic greande only on juno branches  https://review.openstack.org/12731900:11
clarkbA rudimentary diff says the puppet3 code hasn't changed00:11
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Add rally-self job  https://review.openstack.org/12751200:12
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lifelessand folk wonder why distros are not the go-to place for distributing software now... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=31103300:20
uvirtbotDebian bug 311033 in exim4-config "exim4-config: support for submission port 587 in default config" [Wishlist,Open]00:20
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fungigranted, mh has some strong (and occasionally grating) opinions... i have not however found it complicated to set/uncomment the correct bits of exim configuration to do authenticated-only smtp on the submission port (backed to the same auth daemon my imap services use)00:23
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clarkbI dunno I think there are too few ISPs00:24
clarkbI have one option where I live00:24
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clarkb(technically two but 256kbps dsl doesn't count)00:24
StevenKfungi: The same can be said for Postfix, TBH ...00:28
fungiStevenK: no doubt... though the bug in question was open against exim specifically00:31
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StevenKAh yes, class Marc00:32
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lifelessfungi: i know, I too have done tht00:53
lifelessfungi: but the whole point of packaging software is the config glue into the local environment. simple compiling is not the hard bit00:53
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anteayaclarkb: I'll propose a new patch to 117572 sure, tomorrow01:06
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clarkbthank you and happy thanksgiving01:07
anteayaI actually did some nice things today01:08
anteayawalked 20K and read a book01:08
anteayathe novelty of it all01:08
tchaypo20k in a day?01:09
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tchaypomy feet are grumbling at just the thought01:11
anteayagood shoes01:12
anteayaI love walking01:13
anteayaget shoes that fit01:13
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lifelessthe yak shave is strong today01:24
lifelesswanted to do my keysigning from last summit01:24
lifelessneeded to reset up caff01:24
lifelessneeded to fixup local mta01:24
lifelessneeded to reconfigure exim4 on my home server01:24
fungiit's yaks all the way down01:24
lifelessneeded to fix ym ipv6 config (as I have an ipv6 vpn but tunnel was down)01:24
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lifelessrequires ICMP ping to my IP to work (but stupid consumer PPPoE box refuses that01:25
lifelessDMZ might work but can't do that unless you use the DHCPd in the PPPoE box. W.T.F.01:25
openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Add enum34 requirement  https://review.openstack.org/12782901:25
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jeblairi have so many pictures of yaks from my trip to china01:32
jeblairi thought of my friends here everytime i saw one01:32
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mwhudsoncaff seems to have much stricter requirements on the local mta than anything else01:34
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fungijeblair: has my hair really gotten *that* shaggy?01:36
openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add openstack-salt-formula project  https://review.openstack.org/12790201:37
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openstackgerritBenjamin Staffin proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: (WIP) Add support for the S3 Publisher plugin  https://review.openstack.org/12816704:11
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openstackgerritBenjamin Staffin proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for the S3 Publisher plugin  https://review.openstack.org/12816704:22
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openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Add flake8 2.2.4  https://review.openstack.org/12816904:50
openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Drop flake8 2.2.3  https://review.openstack.org/12817004:50
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openstackgerritBenjamin Staffin proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for the S3 Publisher plugin  https://review.openstack.org/12816705:01
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openstackgerritBenjamin Staffin proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for the S3 Publisher plugin  https://review.openstack.org/12816705:13
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openstackgerritBenjamin Staffin proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for the S3 Publisher plugin  https://review.openstack.org/12816705:16
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Extract tripleo jobs to templates  https://review.openstack.org/12649906:21
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Add python-jobs to heat-templates  https://review.openstack.org/12810806:38
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tchaypojhesketh: I'm trying to name a project07:37
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tchaypojhesketh: I've just remembered your invaluable advice07:37
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tchaypohowever, massive-octo-computing-machine isn't a great choice for me *refreshes*07:38
tchaypo spawncamping-wookie isn't bad07:38
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tchaypoah, here we go - petulant-adventure07:38
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tchaypofor a tool that takes a git repo and applies a series of unlanded patches from gerrit, that's not bad07:38
jheskethtchaypo: heh, it's lots of fun07:39
jheskethI wish I could take credit for it07:39
tchaypoit seems they like to use "shiny" "octo" "wookie" and "ironman"07:39
tchaypoI got "shiny-ironman" a few times. I'm sure that's a reference to Tony, but I'm not sure if they mean Stark or Abbott07:40
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lifelessrighto, ksp signatures finally sent out09:20
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AJaegerlifeless, just in time for Paris ;) Thanks!09:22
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flaper87AJaeger: hey :)09:31
flaper87AJaeger: can I get your +2 on this again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125562/09:31
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AJaegerflaper87, approved09:36
flaper87AJaeger: thanks09:37
AJaegerflaper87, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125563/09:38
AJaegerflaper87, clarkb suggested that you need to teach devstack-gate about it - please double check09:38
AJaegerdevstack != devstack-gate09:38
flaper87AJaeger: ah, he did say devstack gate09:38
flaper87damn, I misread09:39
flaper87AJaeger: how do you "teach" devstack-gate about env vars ?09:39
AJaegerflaper87, have a look at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/devstack-vm-gate.sh#n5909:40
flaper87AJaeger: thanks09:40
AJaegerflaper87, but I've never touched devstack-gate myself - so you're on your own at this point of time - until others wake up ;)09:40
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Add a job for functional tests in zaqarclient  https://review.openstack.org/12556209:43
AJaegerflaper87, thanks for asking me - looking up that file, I could answer a question from rossella_s as well ;)09:43
flaper87AJaeger: :D awesome, glad it helped09:43
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rossella_sthanks both of you then AJaeger flaper8709:44
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Set ZAQAR_BACKEND in localrc if present  https://review.openstack.org/12822409:47
flaper87AJaeger: ^09:47
AJaegerflaper87, let's tell clarkb about it ^ - thanks!09:48
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Set ZAQAR_BACKEND in localrc if present  https://review.openstack.org/12822410:36
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Set ZAQAR_BACKEND in localrc if present  https://review.openstack.org/12822410:39
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Fix again whitespaces with python 2.7.0-2.7.3  https://review.openstack.org/12631811:15
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Setup translation jobs for openstackclient  https://review.openstack.org/12824511:26
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openstackgerritMikhail Dubov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Make Rally gate-rally-dsvm-cli job voting  https://review.openstack.org/12824611:38
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-dev/pbr: Remove extraneous vim editor configuration comments  https://review.openstack.org/12702211:44
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openstackgerritRamakrishnan G proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Add proliantutils dependency for Ironic  https://review.openstack.org/12269712:50
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openstackgerritIlya Sviridov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add new magnetodb-specs project  https://review.openstack.org/12826413:09
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-dev/pbr: Adds option for excluding files from autodoc trees  https://review.openstack.org/12021614:03
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ttxfungi: hey! was wondering if there was anything we could do to unclog the post queue14:03
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fungittx: looking, but it's probably just the fact that post is even precedence with merge-check14:04
ttxmerge-check is empty though14:05
fungiyep, looks that way. i hadn't been staring at the status page14:05
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fungia ton of nova changes in silent fighting it for resources though14:06
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fungioh, there we go... merge-check just spiked up14:06
ttxmerge-check now appears to have 529 changes in it14:06
funginova commits must be merging14:06
ttxwhat could trigger that ?14:06
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fungiwhen we merge a lot of changes, both merge-check and post will spike14:07
fungithough merge-check spikes much higher and gets evacuated much more quickly since it doesn't require job workers, just time from the zul mergers14:08
ttxwould be great to get post slightly higher prio. release scripts tend to compare the tag-generated tarball  with the last branch-generated tarball for consistency14:08
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fungi"slightly" is hard... zuul uses gearman priorities for this, and the protocol gives you a grand total of three14:08
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ttxbah, I'll work around it manually14:09
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fungiso we've been playing shuffle to get things not to starve the gate, but give it priority over check, but get other things not to starve check...14:09
ttx(I manually check that the differences that are reported are warranted)14:09
ttxas long as pre-release has higher prio I should be ok14:09
fungiyeah, pre-release, release, tag and gate are all at the "high" priority right now14:10
ttxfungi: ok, thx for the info14:10
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openstackgerritJim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use 1024 MB RAM for Ironic agent VMs  https://review.openstack.org/12830614:30
jroll^ this should fix some Ironic non-voting CI that I've been neglecting :(14:31
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anteayaI finally had a moment to collect my thoughts and vote in the tc election14:43
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anteayapleia2: how do I remove an email from a mailing list? an over zealous third party operator emailed both third party lists and I would like to remove the email from the list that has no relationship to the topic of the email14:46
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mordredanteaya: not possible14:47
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mordredanteaya: sometimes people just email things14:47
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anteayamordred: yeah, seems like we need a baby gate everywhere for some folks14:49
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clarkbjroll: do we have enough ram on the test nodes to support that?14:55
jrollclarkb: ironic CI used to run with 1024, so I think we should14:56
jrollthough I should doublecheck how many VMs will be running14:56
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jrolloh yeah, let me turn that down a bit14:56
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jrollclarkb: good call, ty14:57
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fungittx: post pipeline caught up a few minutes ago if you wanted to check tarballs15:00
SergeyLukjanovclarkb, hey, re your comments for rebase perms in sahara15:00
SergeyLukjanovclarkb, in nova milestone team is << core team15:00
SergeyLukjanovclarkb, but in sahara we're using core team only, it's small enough to have additional permissions15:01
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SergeyLukjanovclarkb, and there is no sense to duplicate team :)15:01
clarkbSergeyLukjanov: but those branches already use milestone team15:01
jrollclarkb: hmm, git.o.o isn't responding for me, not sure which end it's on... I'll have a new patch up when I can15:01
clarkbjroll: ok15:02
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openstackgerritJim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use 1024 MB RAM for Ironic agent VMs  https://review.openstack.org/12830615:02
jrollthere she goes15:02
SergeyLukjanovclarkb, oh, I just understand your comment, you mean to use milestone team for proposed/* branches only, that's correct15:02
SergeyLukjanovclarkb, nice catch :)15:02
SergeyLukjanovclarkb, th15:02
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openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: the help files changed from _ to - at some point  https://review.openstack.org/11757215:05
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openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Grant core/milestone to rebase changes in extra sahara projects  https://review.openstack.org/12736915:05
openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Grant core/milestone to rebase changes in sahara  https://review.openstack.org/12736815:05
SergeyLukjanovclarkb, ^^15:05
openstackgerritJulie Pichon proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Horizon integration tests require Xvfb  https://review.openstack.org/12832515:06
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anteayaclarkb: any reason for me not to +A 125244 the Name pipelines in zuul gerrit comments patch?15:12
clarkbis jeblair +2? he had some concerns15:12
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anteayajeblair has not reviewed15:13
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anteayaI am fine to wait to hear/read jeblair's thoughts15:13
anteayaI'll +2 and move on15:13
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anteayamade a note that I will wait for Jim15:14
fungiyeah i was waiting for him to weigh in on that one15:15
anteayanibalizer: can I get a rebase please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126448/15:15
anteayafungi: kk, thanks15:15
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anteayaAJaeger: looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126716/ the second devstack patch mentioned in your commit message merged in July and has to do with databases15:17
anteayaAJaeger: I suspect that is not the patch you intended on linking to15:17
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anteayaunless of course I am really wrong here15:18
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anteayachmouel: can we get a +A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126714/ please?15:21
john-davidgeHello all o/15:21
clarkbjohn-davidge: good morning/afternoon/evening whatever it may be :)15:22
john-davidgeJust wondering why Jenkins test results are no longer replaced by their newer versions anymore?15:22
chmouelanteaya: sure let me test it first15:22
john-davidgeclarkb: Late afternoon in chilly England :)15:22
anteayachmouel: absolutely15:22
john-davidgeOn Gerrit that is15:23
anteayamordred: did you want to offer a new patchset for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126720/3 or shall I?15:23
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clarkbjohn-davidge: they should. Are you talking about the summarized table near the commit message at the top of a change page?15:24
clarkbjohn-davidge: I think we are still working out some of the bugs around that, and there are some change up to make it a little more reliable15:24
chmouelanteaya: approved,15:24
john-davidgeclarkb: Yes, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87987/ for example15:24
anteayachmouel: my thanks good sir15:24
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john-davidgeclarkb: Just not behavior I had seen before, was wondering if it is a bug or a feature :)15:25
clarkbjohn-davidge: I see the latest data (at least for jenkins). I wonder if we are not handling reload events properly15:25
clarkbso I get the latest data when loading the change from scratch15:25
clarkbbut you see older data if the page has been open for a bit15:26
fungijohn-davidge: the current state is because some projects' core reviewers were concerned that the latest results hid earlier failures which could indicate nondeterministic bugs getting rechecked until they finally got lucky15:26
john-davidgefungi: Ah that makes sense, thanks. I can see the benefit of that approach.15:26
fungiso at the moment it shows all historical results for the current patchset (but not for earlier patchsets) in that table15:26
clarkboh I see what you mean15:27
fungithere is work in progress to get that condensed/summarized without hiding too much15:27
fungii believe once the "naming pipelines" change anteaya was asking about gets in, the next step was going to be to roll up earlier results for the same pipeline and make them toggle to expose/hide15:28
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fungiso that they don't occupy quite as much screen real estate15:29
john-davidgefungi: Can I suggest listing the results in order from newest to oldest? The current layout confused me at first because it looks like the test has failed at first glance.15:29
clarkbjroll: so with a VM count of 1 won't that break tests?15:30
clarkbadam_g: ^15:30
fungijohn-davidge: with the comments being in chronological order, it probably makes sense for the results to also get listed in the same order, but i think once only the most recent for each system/pipeline is expanded by default and the others are collapsed into headings only it will hopefully be less confusing15:30
jrollclarkb: agent tests aren't run in parallel yet afaik, so I don't think so15:30
john-davidgefungi: Ok that sounds good15:31
clarkbjroll: also just so this is out there. You can run an entire linx desktop env in well under 512 MB :)15:31
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* fungi does this in fact15:32
jrollclarkb: heh, remember this is a ramdisk, it's coreos with a minimal ubuntu container... and python15:32
clarkbjroll: except its not minimal15:32
jrollclarkb: and iirc coreos only uses half of the ram for its root15:32
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jrollclarkb: it's pretty dang minimal for ubuntu... we could probably do better15:33
jrolle.g. not use ubuntu15:33
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anteayaIt is an absolutely gorgeous autumn day, I haven't heard anyone backing up machinery and I am making homemade soup!15:34
jrolljust... remember the entire rootfs is in RAM here, this isn't just memory usage15:34
clarkbjroll: yes I know15:35
clarkbjroll: and while things have bloated more recently, you can make really tiny installs15:36
jrollclarkb: anyhow, hoping to get tests to run at all here, this is a short-term workaround for our lack of a minimal build15:36
clarkbjroll: one last thing. agent_ssh is the bland name for the coreos image based thing?15:37
jrolllong term plan is use DIB15:37
anteayaclarkb: I added a new patchset to the sdad change in config: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117572/ it is down to one file now since the other got changed already: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/logs/help/tempest-logs.html#n14615:37
clarkbanteaya: thank you15:37
jrollclarkb: that's the driver name for ironic, convention is $deploydriver_$powerdriver15:37
jrollclarkb: that driver interacts with ironic-python-agent, whether that's in a coreos/dib/whatever ramdisk15:38
clarkb(just clarifying because instead of two distinct cases there is more base case, then override for agent_ssh thing15:38
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clarkbfungi: I am applying 118924 to -worker20 now15:46
clarkbif that goes well I will approve the change and it will end up everywhere15:46
clarkbhrm have to remember how to set up a puppet env15:47
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openstackgerritMikhail Dubov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Make Rally gate-rally-dsvm-cli job voting  https://review.openstack.org/12824615:50
openstackgerritMikhail Dubov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Make Rally gate-rally-dsvm-cli job voting  https://review.openstack.org/12824615:50
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jeblairanteaya, clarkb, fungi: +2 on 12524415:54
anteayajeblair: thank you15:55
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anteayajeblair: any reason to not +A it now?15:55
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clarkbnope I think if jeblair is happy with it then I won't stop it from merging :)15:56
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anteayaI will +A15:56
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anteayawasn't sure if pipeline error message changes would adversely affect running pipelines15:57
anteayaI haven't heard back from mordred on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126720/3 so I will submit a new patchset15:58
jeblairmy thoughts earlier were along the line of prefering the original wording, but i also agree that 'check build failed' is confusing because it sounds like an imperative, so the current wording is fine i think.15:58
anteayajeblair: great15:58
jeblairanteaya: merging should have no adverse affect on running jobs15:58
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clarkbnibalizer: can you remind me how to override puppet lockfile path?16:00
jeblairi'm going to see the doctor about my sore throat; hope to be back by meeting time16:00
anteayajeblair: great, thank you16:00
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anteayajeblair: I hope you feel better16:00
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clarkbhrm my new puppet env isn't quite right. To the docs!16:03
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clarkbjeblair: is your corvus puppet env working with the new puppetmaster?16:04
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anteayaclarkb: god be with you16:05
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jeblairclarkb: i thought so, but i didn't use it much16:10
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Name pipelines in zuul gerrit comments  https://review.openstack.org/12524416:10
clarkbit is not immediately clear why mine is not working16:10
clarkbmay be permissions related16:10
clarkbbut my modmask is friendly16:10
jeblairclarkb: i only see 'corvus', 'example_env', and 'production'16:10
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jeblairclarkb: /etc/puppet/environments16:11
clarkbooohh you have to edit that too16:11
jeblairclarkb: you'll need to set one up there and write a config file16:11
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clarkbjeblair: that did it. thanks16:14
fungineat! https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mailman-api/16:14
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anteayaoh chmouel, one more for you if you happen to be about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126720/16:19
anteayachmouel: would be nice to have these and then we can get devstack doc publishing happening under infra16:19
pleia2good morning16:20
krotscheckAnyone have a suggestion on what to do when a first time contributor never responds to the patch notes?16:20
chmouelanteaya: sure! testing and will review16:20
anteayachmouel: thank you!16:20
anteayapleia2: morning16:20
krotscheckI could abandon it, but...16:21
chmouelthose doc building takes time 8-)16:21
anteayakrotscheck: if the patch is important, take over the patch16:21
clarkbkrotscheck: you can try contacting submitter directly16:21
anteayakrotscheck: how long since you left the comments?16:21
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anteayachmouel: it does16:21
krotscheckAbout a month16:21
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anteayakrotscheck: yeah so that is sufficient time to move on16:22
anteayakrotscheck: is the patch of value, do you need it?16:22
anteayakrotscheck: or as clarkb says you can try emailing the submitter and letting them know your decision to either take it over or abandon16:23
krotscheckJust trying to get an idea of what a the rule of thumb abandonment policy is now that things don’t auto-abandon16:23
anteayakrotscheck: might be nice for a first timer16:23
anteayakrotscheck: you get to make it up16:23
anteayakrotscheck: and accept the consequences, whatever they are16:24
anteayabut yeah, a month is a decent amount of time to wait16:24
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chmouelanteaya: approved and thanks!16:27
clarkbkrotscheck: I think you want to abandon changes that have no future. either because the submitter has given up on it (by not responding for a few weeks) and no one else is willingto pick the work up. Or if the change just shouldn't merge due to technical reasons16:28
clarkbkrotscheck: hopefulyl bug fixes get pciekd up by someone else16:28
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krotscheckclarkb: Well, it’s a pretty useful patch to the oauth system - it’s just that the check was not put in the correct place. Having said that, we’ve got a decent amount of work that’s about to happen on the oauth system anyway, so it’s likely that patch will become obsolete anyway.16:29
anteayachmouel: thank you!!16:30
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fungigonna go run some errands and grab lunch. i'll be back well before meeting time16:37
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anteayafungi: k16:40
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openstackgerritEric Harney proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Increase CEPH_LOOPBACK_DISK_SIZE for ceph  https://review.openstack.org/12835616:45
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clarkbI can't see anything unhappy on -worker20 with the new log worker code16:49
clarkbgoing to approve that change now16:49
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openstackgerritJaime Flynn proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Added flexible publish support  https://review.openstack.org/12730016:54
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jedimikei want to propose a feature for zuul, can someone remind me of the process for doing that?16:57
clarkbjedimike: openstack-infra/infra-specs is where we propose large features16:57
jedimikeclarkb, thanks :)16:58
clarkbthere hsould be examples and a template in that repo too16:58
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jedimikeawesome, it's not a huge feature, but it's big enough not to just put up a branch for review :)16:58
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove query for bug 1317298  https://review.openstack.org/12810716:58
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1317298 in cinder "timeout in wait_for_resource_deletion in tempest teardown (dup-of: 1373513)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131729816:58
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1373513 in cinder "Lvm hang during tempest tests" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137351316:58
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Handle log processing subprocess cleanup better  https://review.openstack.org/11892416:59
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yolanda__hi , i filed a change some days ago to allow env vars to be passed to dib image in nodepool. It's useful for us to pass DIB_* settings that are depending on the type of image to be built17:02
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yolanda__and i'll also file a change to pin glanceclient version for nodepool, looks as oldest ones are not working behind proxy17:02
anteayayolanda__: hi17:03
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anteayaif there is a question in there, so far I haven't found it17:03
yolanda__no, just wanted to have some reviews :)17:03
anteayaah, perhaps a url?17:03
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yolanda__anteaya, you were too fast, i was in the process of opening review.openstack.org :)17:04
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anteayaI should have stayed quiet and kept eating my soup17:05
anteayaI will go back out on the deck and eat my soup17:05
anteayaI can't get over what a *beautiful* day it is outside today!!17:06
yolanda__anteaya, i'm glad you take a look at it17:06
anteayayolanda__: I'll put it on my post soup list17:06
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jedimikeanteaya, it's torrential rain here, enjoy your lovely weather :)17:06
pleia2I'd appreciate some thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128264/ they want to publish their specs to read the docs, but I couldn't find precendet for that, is it ok?17:06
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clarkbyolanda__: I don't see the change to update glanceclient dep17:07
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yolanda__clarkb , no , i still haven't filed that, i'm testing in our instances first17:07
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yolanda__but the env vars for dib is pending, we are actively using it and is useful for us https://review.openstack.org/12747617:08
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clarkbpleia2: I don't think that is a problem. Stackforge projects can publish wherever they want and rtfd is really low impact17:08
yolanda__clarkb, saw your review, thx17:08
pleia2clarkb: thank you17:09
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Pinning version of python-glanceclient to use requests  https://review.openstack.org/12836817:14
yolanda__here it goes17:14
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ociuhanduanteaya: can i ping you for the cloudbase-init CI account? :)17:24
primeministerpociuhandu: thx17:24
primeministerpanteaya: can I also ping you for a rename of the Windows ISCSI Cinder Account renaming17:25
ociuhanduprimeministerp anteaya: my next question was for the microsoft cinder CI :)17:25
primeministerpociuhandu: :)17:25
clarkbanteaya: that reminds me. we were going to put together a list of requsets today and do them17:26
clarkbanteaya: want to start that after the meeting?17:26
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Publish devstack documents  https://review.openstack.org/12671617:31
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nibalizerclarkb: --agent_disabled_lockfile17:35
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nibalizeranteaya: looking17:35
adam_gjroll, one nit @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128306/ but im okay with it otherwise17:38
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Grant core/milestone to rebase changes in sahara  https://review.openstack.org/12736817:38
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clarkbmordred: I have to point out that GBP is really similar to GPB -> jeepyb17:40
clarkbmordred: jeebyp17:40
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zarowaynr: yeah, i think jjb default feature could use more documentation examples.  you can add defaults to the yaml templated to override the global defaults.17:43
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zarowaynr: this commit message might give a better example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100020/17:45
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Build docs for openstack/governance  https://review.openstack.org/12579617:48
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Grant core/milestone to rebase changes in extra sahara projects  https://review.openstack.org/12736917:57
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openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename config => system-config  https://review.openstack.org/12607518:01
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anteayaclarkb: yes after the meetings would be my preference18:03
anteayaociuhandu primeministerp hello, I really need to get some patches in shape for the infra meeting and would appreciate holding off on third party ci questions until after I have had a chance to review current status from going through the third party email archives18:04
anteayaociuhandu primeministerp which I have scheduled for after the meetings18:04
anteayanibalizer: thank you18:04
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jeblairclarkb: what's gbp?18:05
clarkbjeblair: group based policy. Something related to neutron iirc18:05
clarkbor is it nova?18:05
jeblairah, hehe18:05
ociuhanduanteaya: sure, thanks :)18:05
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mordredclarkb: what's GBP?18:10
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openstackgerritKhai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: add a JJB command reference  https://review.openstack.org/12810618:14
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AJaeger_Hi, anybody here to review a docutils pin removal from infra-manuals? https://review.openstack.org/117173 - this is one of the last 3 places in OpenStack...18:16
mordredclarkb: you'll enjoy bug 133029018:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1330290 in diskimage-builder "Building ubuntu images on debian host fails because of tmpdir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133029018:16
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mordredAJaeger_: +318:17
clarkbmordred: is that going to break our use of adifferent tmpdir?18:17
openstackgerritKhai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: add documentation for the delete command  https://review.openstack.org/12810518:17
mordredclarkb: doubt it - we're not running on debian18:17
mordredclarkb: but GheRivero is working on it18:17
mordredGheRivero: don't break our use of different tempdir when fixing the above bug :)18:17
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/infra-manual: Remove docutils pin  https://review.openstack.org/11717318:17
clarkbmordred: but its a similar issue18:17
AJaeger_thanks, mordred18:17
clarkbwe will set TMPDIR=/opt/nodepool_dib/tmp18:17
clarkbthen that will leak into the build18:18
clarkbdir won't exist and it will break18:18
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mordredclarkb: oh - yeah. I follow your words now18:19
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anteayaAJaeger_: just give me some time to look through the results of the tests and learn from them18:22
clarkbfungi: jeblair so ^ is likely to break our plan18:22
anteayaAJaeger_: I haven't had a chance to get my head in the right space all last week due to the eleciton and I just need a bit of space to think18:22
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openstackgerritJim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use 1024 MB RAM for Ironic agent VMs  https://review.openstack.org/12830618:23
jrolladam_g: fixed ^18:23
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add translation checks for training-guides  https://review.openstack.org/12839218:24
AJaeger_anteaya: sure - and if you have questions, just ask...18:25
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fungi(and reading quickly)18:27
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anteayaAJaeger_: thanks18:30
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fungiclarkb: i think it won't break our plan as long as GheRivero fixes it18:31
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Remove docutils pin  https://review.openstack.org/12839418:31
fungiand in the meantime we should probably implement as if we expect it is fixed, and provide encouragement/assistance as warranted18:31
openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename config => system-config  https://review.openstack.org/12607518:31
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/zuul: Remove docutils pin  https://review.openstack.org/12839518:33
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Remove docutils pin  https://review.openstack.org/12839418:34
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openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename config => system-config  https://review.openstack.org/12607518:48
openstackgerritKhai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: add a JJB command reference  https://review.openstack.org/12810618:49
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AJaeger_anteaya: you need to rebase some of the config => system-config renames...18:54
AJaeger_anteaya: just use the GUI "Rebase" button18:54
anteayaI'm waiting for jenkins to finish18:54
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pleia2anteaya: docutils patches are fun "wait, didn't I just review this? oh, different project ;)"18:55
anteayait is waiting for a precise node18:55
anteayapleia2: woooo18:55
anteayaso many times I have several patches open and catch myself losing track18:55
anteayalike I close the diff and see the patch is merged18:55
AJaeger_pleia2: we're nearly done with docutils ;)18:55
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anteayabut I was using it for reference18:56
pleia2AJaeger_: thank goodness18:56
fungianteaya: also pleia2 has some good suggestions on 12606318:56
anteayafungi: thanks, will read18:56
fungithe rest lgtm, rebase needs aside18:56
AJaeger_pleia2: see https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I9107884d964757a9154bdd1feb4ea6df4e9df43e,n,z ;)18:56
pleia2AJaeger_: haha, wow! that's more than I'd seen since my focus is on -infra18:56
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pleia2morning jhesketh18:58
anteayapleia2: thanks, once the tests pass and I rebase I will address your points, thank you, many things I missed18:58
anteayajhesketh: morning18:58
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AJaeger_pleia2: cross-openstack cleanups are no fun ;(18:59
pleia2anteaya: thanks, most were ones we missed the first time around, so it's not a surprise18:59
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pleia2AJaeger_: yeah, what a mess :\18:59
jeblairpleia2: thanks for saying "we" there ;)18:59
fungimeeting time!19:00
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fungijeblair: did you want to chair, or still catching up?19:00
openstackgerritEric Harney proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Specify TEMPEST_VOLUME_DRIVER for ceph  https://review.openstack.org/12841019:01
jeblairfungi: i'll give it a shot?19:01
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fungigo for it19:01
jeblairi like your style19:02
openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename config => system-config for nodepool  https://review.openstack.org/12607619:02
openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename config => system-config in tools/  https://review.openstack.org/12607719:02
openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename config => system-config in README  https://review.openstack.org/12608019:02
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waynrzaro: i was thinking something more like hierarchy of defaults where each subsequent "defaults" can add additional behavior such as adding hipchat notification where the "parent" template had no such thing to begin with19:08
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mrmartinfungi: plz. dont forget to bring up the mod_security question on infra-meeting19:16
fungimrmartin: oh, we didn't have it on the agenda but i'll add it and hope we get time19:16
fungimrmartin: thanks for the reminder19:17
waynrzaro: something like this https://github.com/waynr/jenkins-job-builder/commit/21804a3bc352f5d76e34ddb096f58e8c06c8f7b119:18
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waynrso allow each subsequently specified "defaults" to override the previous one for a given job or template or wherever defaults apply19:19
waynrbut now that i've thought about it a little more, it might be more intuitive to allow a "defaults" to inherit defaults from other "defaults"19:20
waynror maybe i'm just making it more complicated than it needs to be19:20
zarowaynr: don't bother with github. just propose on gerrit so we can discuss there.19:21
waynrokay, will do19:21
openstackgerritWayne Warren proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: (REVIEW) For review only.  https://review.openstack.org/12841719:22
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waynri'll fix the commit message in subsequent updates to the patch19:23
zarowaynr: we usually use WIP (work in progress) to identify these things.  it's a vote that you can set.19:25
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openstackgerritWayne Warren proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: (WIP) Accept list of "defaults".  https://review.openstack.org/12841719:42
waynrzaro: okay, I added an example to the commit message to make the intention of the proposed change a little more clear19:43
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annegent_I feel like I'm always asking this... how can I git reset --hard HEAD on just one folder?20:10
clarkbannegent_: git checkout -- some/path/here should do it20:10
harlowjaqq, whats the plan for turning on the py34 environments if a project wants to?20:11
* harlowja might as well for taskflow i think20:11
clarkbharlowja: when we get a working py34 on trusty we will switch all py33 to py3420:11
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clarkbif you want to jump the gun you can go ahead and add the test20:11
annegent_clarkb: so if those come back as "is unmerged" due to a rebase, but really with the rebase I just want to take HEAD for all those files, what's the right method?20:11
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clarkbannegent_: I think you can git checkout HEAD -- some/path/here20:12
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annegent_clarkb: there it is! Thank you.20:12
harlowjaclarkb hmmm, ok, i can wait :)20:14
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anteayafungi: I like how egregious just rolls off your fingertips like that20:20
anteayaclarkb: okay I have got to go for a walk and clear my head20:21
AJaeger_the devstack patches have merged, I removed my WIP from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126716/ (publishing of devstack docs)20:21
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anteayaclarkb: when I come back I will assemble an etherpad of third party ci business that we can address20:21
clarkbanteaya: ++ I need lunch20:22
clarkbso will be afk for a short time myself20:22
anteayaAJaeger_: +220:22
anteayaclarkb: sounds good20:22
AJaeger_It would also be nice if I don't need to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126499/ another time - it's a template job for layout.yaml. Please review!20:23
AJaeger_thanks, anteaya  - and enjoy your walk!20:23
anteayaAJaeger_: thanks20:23
* AJaeger_ signs off now... Bye!20:26
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fungilifeless: StevenK: do either of you happen to know (not looking for specifics) whether login.launchpad.net has/had any manner of intrusion detection or intrusion prevention systems fronting it?20:36
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lifelessfungi: I knew. I don't know now.20:44
fungilifeless: heh... fair enough20:44
lifelessIts been two years, and thats a CD deployed app from what was a team of 5 or so, so could be significant changes.20:45
fungii did a bit of searching, at least, and if they are or ever were doing that they weren't up front about it anyway20:45
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clarkbanteaya: ok I am mostly back, ready whenever you are (no rush)20:53
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clarkbyup just reconfirmed current build of centos7 image with dib is happy on trusty21:01
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pleia2I forget, does editing a commit message in the gerrit interface reset votes?21:03
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fungipleia2: yes21:04
pleia2ok, I'll just leave a note then :) thanks21:04
fungipleia2: it's configurable, but that's the configuration we've implemented. rationale being someone may want to -1 based on an issue with the commit message21:05
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* pleia2 nods21:05
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pleia2oh right, lunch! bbiab21:13
clarkbpleia2: food is important21:14
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clarkbI had sardines on hard tack with lime21:15
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fungithat sounds marvellous21:17
clarkbfungi: yes, I missed it. My parents brought proper hard tack from japan with them when they visited21:18
jogopleia2: speaking of food, there was something you wanted to do f2f this week?21:18
cyeohso the API WG would like to start up a git/gerrit repository to start work on API guidelines. Anyone know how I go about setting that up?21:18
clarkbcyeoh: yup we have a doc. one sec21:18
clarkbcyeoh: http://ci.openstack.org/stackforge.html#add-a-project-to-stackforge s/stackforge/openstack/as appropriate21:19
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cyeohclarkb: thanks!21:19
clarkbno problem. let us know if ou have questions21:19
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hasharzaro: hi there :-]21:20
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fungiclarkb: mmm kanpan!21:20
zarohashar: hi21:20
hasharzaro: I though Jenkins core could be adjusted to always use ItemListener instead of the poor SaveableListener. I commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125755/  :d21:20
clarkbfungi: I have also discovered I can order it from guam at $189 a case21:20
hasharzaro: though I have close to no idea what those interfaces are actually doing :]21:21
fungiclarkb: i think they just strap the biscuits together and float them across the pacific. no boat needed21:21
zarohashar: thanks.  i created a bunch of bugs regarding core's events when i initially created the gearman-plugin.  that's probably why some of the events got fixed.21:22
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zarohashar: it definately takes a while.21:22
hasharzaro: I wish I could help but my java skill is exactly None21:23
hasharzaro: well maybe epsilon but you get the idea :]21:23
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zarohashar: i was thinking about hacking on jenkins myself, but decided against it since we are moving away.21:24
hashardo you mean OpenStack i moving away from Jenkins?:D21:24
zarohashar: did you get my msg about the changes for default feature?21:25
ryanpetrelloso I'm planning to do a pecan release soonish21:25
ryanpetrelloI don't expect any breakage21:25
ryanpetrellobut release and cycle-wise, is now a bad time?21:25
hasharzaro: yeah should have talked about those jjb changes first sorry.  That is a whole mess and have to figure out which patches are still needed and those that got merged in21:25
jogowhyisn't usedevelop in tox on by default?21:25
zarohashar: ohh yeah, that's the plan.21:25
jogomordred: ^21:25
clarkbryanpetrello: its definitely a good question for ttx21:25
clarkbjogo: because its actually not necessarily a good thing in all cases21:26
hasharzaro: some patch was just just to highlight a regression, another one was a WIP to find a workaround. I definitely need to abandon a few21:26
clarkbjogo: for example turning it off by default means you don't test your ability to make an sdist21:26
fungiryanpetrello: thursday is when juno will be released, if that matters in your figuring21:26
clarkbjogo: we have chosen to trade that extra layer of testing for speed but that was a conscious decision21:26
zarohashar: ok, waynr asked about defaults that's why those surfaced.21:26
ttxRyan_Lane: if soonish could be Friday, that would be awesome :)21:27
chmoueldims: i fixed properly the login issues we had earlier https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128448/21:27
ttxryanpetrello: ^21:27
fungijogo: clarkb: also didn't usedevelop interact negatively with oslo namespace packages?21:27
ttxwrong ryan21:27
ryanpetrelloFriday works fine for me21:27
jogofungi: use develop means do python setup.py install develop21:27
jogonot the use site packages stuff21:27
ryanpetrelloI'll plan on that21:27
hasharzaro: it is too late to clean them up tonight, but will definitely allocate half a day this way to process my jjb reviewing queue :]21:27
zarohashar: waynr has a neat idea. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128417/21:27
dhellmannfungi: yes, that's right21:27
fungijogo: right, i.e. pip install -e21:27
zarohashar: no problem.21:28
ryanpetrellottx: again, I don't expect any breakage, because I'm gating on projects that use pecan, but I just didn't want to exacerbate any busyness you all may have this week21:28
jogoclarkb: that makes sense, so usedevelop means sdists aren't built by default?21:28
dhellmannjogo: there's a separate flag to turn of sdist building21:29
zarohashar: you might have an interest in re-reviewing this one.  i think it might affect you.  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56734/21:29
hasharzaro: ah a list of default might be a good thing to have :-)21:29
hasharzaro: I was hacking something this afternoon to have job-templates supports default values for format() {variables}21:30
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clarkbjogo: correct when you setup.py develop there is no sdist21:30
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hasharzaro: 56734 (error on duplicate jjb jobs), I have commented about.  I am abusing that feature myself.21:31
jogodhellmann: can we leave sdist building on and use develop at the same time?21:31
jogodhellmann: skipsdist?21:31
dhellmannjogo: skipdist is the flag21:31
hasharzaro: I generate generic jobs for half a thousand of repositories that are similar, then have some jobs overridden by more specific templates :/21:31
clarkbdhellmann: jogo one implies the other but not the other wy around21:31
dhellmannjogo: I'm not sure why you'd want to build the sdist and the install in develop mode, but I think that does work21:32
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clarkbdhellmann: no I don't think it does21:32
dhellmannclarkb: oh?21:32
clarkbI would have to reread mordreds patch but I believe usedevelop implies skipsdist21:32
ttxryanpetrello: yeah, it's mostly a risk management thing, so if it can afford to wait, I'd rather avoid upgrading a major dep one day before release, even if risk is theoretically controlled :)21:32
clarkbregardless of what your tox.ini says21:32
dhellmannwe have skipdist turned off explicitly. I would expect skipdist being off to break installation, but not the other way around21:32
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ryanpetrellottx: works for me, I'll hold off until Fri21:33
ttxryanpetrello: awesome thx21:33
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zarohashar: sounds like that change can help you?21:33
dimschmouel: nice!21:33
zarohashar: for 56734, i remember you wanted default to allow dups?21:33
dimschmouel: +121:33
hasharzaro: yeah indeed. Darragh added an allow_duplicates option just for me :]21:34
zarohashar: cool.  i would like it to go in.  would you be interested in re-reviewing?21:35
hasharzaro: doing so21:35
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mordreddhellmann, clarkb it changes the default for skipsdist21:36
cyeohclarkb: is there also a document on how to get a git.openstack.org git repository created? Or are we always meant to start with stackforge/github21:36
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zaroanybody know why Jenkins test results appear 3 times on this change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56734/21:37
mordredcyeoh: you don't need a github at all ... do you need a stackforge or an openstack repo?21:37
cyeohan openstack one - this is for the API WG21:38
dhellmannmordred: that's too clever21:38
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clarkbhttp://logs.openstack.org/68/124768/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-f20/2923c85/console.html.gz#_2014-09-30_07_03_11_079 is a ridiculously awesome fail21:38
clarkbnot sure why devstack does anything like htat21:39
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clarkbcyeoh: if you want just an empty repo with a .gitreview you don't specify an upstream to start with21:39
hasharzaro: the string formatting in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56734/12/jenkins_jobs/builder.py  is wrong somehow21:39
cyeohclarkb: ah, ok thanks!21:40
hasharzaro: only the first string is passed :D21:40
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chmoueldims: cool and feel free to join #dox for dox related stuff21:41
hasharzaro: forget me21:42
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adam_gclarkb, got a sec for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128451/ ? i didnt realize *-nv jobs would ever vote (https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul/layout.yaml#n502), but i guess https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127319/ overrode that?21:46
adam_gdevananda, ^21:46
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clarkbadam_g: thats the point :)21:47
clarkb-nv means no voting21:47
clarkbso not sure how it would have voted21:47
* devananda looks21:47
adam_gclarkb, is the rule @ ln 505 overridden if theres a match later?21:47
adam_gclarkb, it ends up voting now, ie https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128378/21:48
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clarkbadam_g: it does a merge so only if theer is a voting: true somewhere21:48
clarkbadam_g: do you have an example of a -nv job voting?21:48
devanandaclarkb: which is a backport to proposed/juno of an rc bug21:48
devanandaclarkb: yes, on taht review21:48
clarkbdevananda: that review?21:49
adam_gcheck-grenade-dsvm-ironic-sideways-nvFAILURE in 23m 56s21:49
clarkboh cool21:49
clarkbso then ya we have a job rule that is overriding21:49
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adam_ghmm. that job has never been voting anywhere21:49
clarkbah yup that comment explains it (sorry was looking at 505 on the wrong version of the file)21:50
clarkbadam_g: devananda: the general idea is why would we run a non working job on a stable branch21:50
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jeblairalways pushing the envelope, eh?21:50
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clarkbso I guess the question is will that job be made to wrk on juno?21:51
devanandaadam_g: I suppose I could ask ... that ^ :)21:51
adam_gclarkb, the fact that these jobs dont vote anywhere means other projects merge stuff that breaks it21:51
adam_g*anywhere outside of ironic21:51
devanandathat job could never have voted on nova, fwiw, since Ironic wasn't allowed to vote there during Juno, and the code it's testing was removed from Nova as soon as Kilo opened21:52
clarkbdevananda: why wasn't it allowed to vote during juno... that was the whole point21:53
devanandathe only place it could vote is (proposed|stable)/juno21:53
adam_gthe sideways job can only run against proposed currently21:53
devanandaclarkb: conflicting policies. Ironic was not allowed to vote on Nova during Juno because it was incubated21:53
jeblairwe removed the upgrade path _before_ releasing it in an integrated release?21:53
clarkbdevananda: no no at the nova thing we said it could21:53
devanandawe're still not voting on Nova beacuse Juno hasn't actually been released yet21:53
devanandajeblair: yes21:53
adam_gtheres a grenade bug pending a patch that will get it passing again against proposed21:53
clarkbdevananda: this was part of making that all happy21:53
jeblairwe are insane21:53
devanandajeblair: yes21:53
clarkbdevananda: jeblair  no21:53
clarkbthis was cleared up in july21:54
clarkbI thought we specifically said you could do this for the express purpose of killing baremetal in nova after juno21:54
devanandaclarkb: s/could/must/ IFF this == "create a test for the stable branch"21:54
clarkbdevananda: no21:55
clarkbit was not create a test for stable branch21:55
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clarkbit was create a test for juno21:55
devanandaat least that's how it has since been recalled by the various people working on it21:55
devanandawe were never allowed to vote during juno21:55
jeblairas soon as we decided this was the upgrade path, we should have made the test voting21:55
clarkbwhich is master -> proposed/juno -> stable/juno21:55
devanandaon anyt of the integrated projects21:55
clarkbjeblair: yes absolutely and that was what I thought we said in july21:55
devanandaI mean, I don't disagree that that would have been less insane21:55
devanandabut we're here now21:55
devanandafwiw, ironic is still not voting, even on kilo/master of Nova21:56
devanandapending a request from mikal to wait until after juno is released21:56
hasharzaro: jjb https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56734/  approved :-]  works all fine for me21:56
clarkbdevananda: thats a seprate issue21:56
clarkbdevananda: there are two things here. One is gating nova against ironic21:56
clarkbdevananda: the other is gating nova against its migration path from baremetal to ironic21:57
jeblairi don't think we should release a juno without the upgrade path we approved working21:57
clarkbthe second thing is 100% kosher to just make voting at any point in the juno cycle aiui21:57
devanandaclarkb: not really. how could we gate nova against an upgrade from ironic w/o also ensuring that changes in nova don't break ironic?21:57
clarkbdevananda: via that test...21:57
devanandaclarkb: "test the upgrade path" is a superset of "test ironic"21:57
adam_gwithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391/  merged the sideways job should be functional again  against stable21:57
zarohashar: awsome, thanks hashar!21:57
clarkbadam_g: jenkins says teh sideways job failed there21:58
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JayFadam_g: why if it's not passing on that patch?21:58
adam_gclarkb, because its running against master21:58
clarkb(and this is why I don't think the proposed changes to the gate are so simple...)21:58
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clarkbadam_g: oh. is grenade a single branch entity too or does that grenade change need to be backported to grenade proposed/juno?21:59
adam_gclarkb, there are stable branches of grenade but ATM not a proposed/juno21:59
fungigrenade has teh branchez21:59
jeblairclarkb: it has branches but no proposed/juno branch21:59
hasharzaro: and to drop out Jenkins entirely, it would be rather nice to have a lightweight client to Zuul gearman to easily register shell scripts in Zuul gearman server :]21:59
hasharzaro: but that is yet another topic and it is getting late :D21:59
jeblairhashar: we expect turbo-hipster to be able to do that21:59
adam_gAFAICS it should handle proposed/juno branches the same as master21:59
adam_gand it derives the target branches form dsg22:00
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jeblairso the change should apply to the current situation22:00
adam_gthe patch to proposed/juno (which the sideways job is voting) @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128378/22:01
adam_gwould be addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12739122:01
jeblairdevananda: is there a nova or ironic bug related to the upgrade, or is this solely a grenade issue?22:01
devanandajeblair: at this point, i'm unclear on which "this" you mean22:02
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adam_gjeblair, its a grenade issue22:02
jeblairdevananda: the failure of the bm->ironic sideways test22:02
adam_gspecifically around javelin22:02
adam_gintroduced by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120295/22:02
hasharjeblair: yeah I have to look at turbo hipster again.  That is the soft that tricked me in writing zuul-cloner :]22:03
jeblairhashar: i don't think it does it yet22:03
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clarkbshouldn't grenade have a proposed/juno branch22:04
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jeblairjogo: approved it even with a failing job :(22:04
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adam_gclarkb, it handles proposed the same as it would master22:04
adam_gsame as it would stable22:05
clarkbadam_g: except that it is testing icehouse to master there and not exceuting your test properly22:05
* hashar sleeps22:05
clarkbadam_g: I want the non voting sideways job to pass ideally if that is the thing we are fixing22:05
clarkbbut I am not grenade core so I should be quiet :)22:05
jogojeblair: I didn't realize that job ever worked22:06
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adam_gby the time 120295 was merged, we were still broken on nova-bm being rm'd from nova22:07
adam_gso the job was broken at that point22:07
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adam_gclarkb, it should be passing, it was for 2-3 weeks prior to that ^22:07
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adam_gand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391/ was just +A'd for grenade22:07
jeblairsomebody dropped the ball by not making that voting at that point22:07
devanandaadam_g: can the ironic-sideways job pass on anything but proposed|stable/juno at this point, since there is no longer a nova-bm in master?22:07
adam_gdevananda, no, which is why this was added https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127319/ but it looks like that unexpectedly made it voting22:08
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clarkbadam_g: no that shouldn't have made it voting. what made it voting is that our current ruleset forces all non master jobs to be voting22:09
clarkbbecause non voting jobs on stable branches is something we explicitly discourage22:09
adam_gclarkb, ah, i see22:09
clarkbanteaya: I am lookingat requests22:09
clarkbanteaya: some look like they need more info, did you want ot respond and ask for that?22:10
devanandajeblair: that's probably my fault for not thinking through the "dont change voting during RC period" request w.r.t. stable branches and the migration test22:10
adam_gclarkb,  the failing ironic test is excercising the sideways upgrade within juno, http://logs.openstack.org/78/128378/1/check/check-grenade-dsvm-ironic-sideways-nv/171cc3a/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2014-10-14_18_19_18_48722:10
devanandaI shamelessly +1'd the delete-nova-bm patch and celebrated it22:10
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clarkbadam_g: ya on the ironic side it should be running against juno. But a master grenade change will check icehouse to master22:11
devanandaadam_g: clarkb: that job should not run against master at this point22:12
jeblairso, to get out of this: we need to make grenade work, make a juno branch of grenade, make the sideways job only run on stable|proposed/juno branches, and make it voting22:12
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devanandajeblair: sounds about right22:12
adam_gjeblair, 2/4 of that is (almost) done, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391/ should fix grenade and its already only running on */juno22:12
clarkband its already voting22:13
adam_goh, right :)22:13
clarkbanteaya: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mid-october-3rd-party-accounts Iam starting to put info together there22:14
jeblairdtroyer: what do you think about cutting a juno branch of grenade after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391/ lands?22:14
jeblairas long as we don't have one, we risk breaking the sideways job22:15
* dtroyer thinking if we need to do a */juno devstack to go with that…22:15
jeblairdtroyer: probably?  for the same reason, at least?22:17
dtroyerI don't see anything in devstack's queue that I think we need before we cut a stable branch…backporting is easy enough in needed22:17
dtroyeroh, right there on top?  damn, I hate multi-line config lines22:18
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dtroyerI think I'm ok with cutting stable/juno for both.  the real work comes in changing the jobs anyway22:21
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nibalizerclarkb: others ^^ check this out http://telescope.cat.pdx.edu:8910/search/livegrep22:30
nibalizerlive grep is so cool22:30
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clarkbI am happy with the results returned by searching 'foobar'22:31
adam_gdtroyer, we probably want this to be merged before cutting the new branch22:32
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nibalizerclarkb: 13 results for 'derp'22:32
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fungianybody know who we should be reaching out to about those requested stackforge renames (for a couple salt formula projects)? wondering if we want to roll them into the system-config rename window... SergeyLukjanov: you seem to have authored one of those changes yourself... any idea?22:34
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clarkbfungi: I think the person that requested the rename via gerrit is the invidiaul22:35
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fungiclarkb: well, requested one of the renames anyway. SergeyLukjanov wrote the other change22:35
fungiclarkb: just trying to figure out of jerry zhang is in here at all under some nick i don't know22:36
clarkbfungi: I think jerry pops in during hours I should be sleeping but am working22:36
fungier, jeffrey zhang22:36
fungiwho may not be jerryz... i don't really know22:37
jeblairbug 1373673 is relevant22:37
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1373673 in openstack-ci "Gerrit group account for *-formula " [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137367322:37
fungithanks jeblair22:37
jeblairpoints to him as the requestor for keystone/glance formula22:38
clarkbjeffrey4l according to irc logs22:38
fungijeffrey4l on lp but no irc nick listed in his profile22:38
fungiahh, yep22:38
adam_gclarkb, im a bit puzzled about what grenade code is actually running here http://logs.openstack.org/78/128378/1/check/check-grenade-dsvm-ironic-sideways-nv/171cc3a/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2014-10-14_18_13_25_452  vs https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/grenade/tree/functions#n63822:38
clarkbhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2014-09-25.log around 030622:38
clarkbadam_g: I know very little of grenade. jogo dtroyer ^22:39
adam_gactually nvm, thats running a devstack funciton of the same name (perhaps unintentionally)22:39
dtroyerthe devstack and grenade function-common are supposed to be sync'ed (and haven't been in a while) so functions with the same name are supposed to be the same for grenade and 'new' devstack22:40
adam_gdtroyer, its actually defined in grenade's functions and devstack's functions-common22:42
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adam_gdtroyer, which direction does the sync happen?22:43
dtroyerare they the same?  I always sync'ed from devstack to grenade22:43
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adam_gdtroyer, they've diverged quite a bit, it looks like (dstack functions-common vs functions)22:44
fungiharlowja: seems tox -e py34 is still not working for openstack/taskflow even though i thought it was and had crossed it off my list. do you happen to know what's missing, before i spend time looking into it again? (MultilockTest.test_release_failure seems to be throwing an AttributeError inside mock)22:45
harlowjafungi i can check22:45
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harlowjalets see22:45
dtroyeradam_g: I'll take a closer look tomorrow, if the stable branches have been cut by then we'll backport it22:45
fungiharlowja: thanks!22:45
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adam_gdtroyer, i can try to resolve the diffs for what is shared between the two, then we can do a ds -> grenade sync to pull over the rest of whats been added if required?22:46
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dtroyerthat's the usual process.  figuring out which differences to keep is the fun part ;)22:47
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mordredmaybe we should use that shell packaging thing22:57
mordredand split that stuff into a shell library22:58
ianwclarkb / mordred / fungi : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128472/ (Update EPEL7 version) <- hopefully a quick uncontroversial one, just doing bringup testing on hp cloud images22:58
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ianwwhat happened to the irc gerrit robot thingo?22:58
mordredit hates bunny rabbits22:58
anteayaclarkb: thanks back now joining you on the etherpad22:59
harlowjafungi i assume 'AttributeError: 'method-wrapper' object has no attribute '__module__'' was what u were seeing?22:59
anteayaociuhandu: you here?22:59
mordrednibalizer: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96877/ <-- you know, we should finish that work23:00
fungiharlowja: that's the one23:00
mordrednibalizer: if you like livegrep23:00
fungiianw: seems it got lost when it went out for lunch. i'll bring it back23:00
anteayaclarkb: so you want to do this in channel or on the etherpad?23:01
harlowjafungi alright, fixed up @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128474/23:01
anteayaclarkb: so basically we ask people to give us their company name and the name of their driver23:02
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fungiharlowja: thanks! i'll add that one to my tracking pad23:02
harlowjadamn mock23:02
fungiianw: openstackgerrit has returned23:02
anteayaclarkb: then we do companyname drivername ci23:02
harlowjafungi https://code.google.com/p/mock/issues/detail?id=234 seems to be the root issue someone reported23:02
anteayaclarkb: but many of these have given us the name of the project they are testing23:02
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harlowja^ or is at least similar issue reported to mock23:02
anteayaclarkb: which is not what we asked for23:02
anteayaclarkb: for instance cloudbase-init is the name of a project23:03
anteayaclarkb: as is poppy23:03
anteayawe need the name of the driver23:03
fungiharlowja: that's a fun one!23:03
anteayarackspace at least gave us the company name23:03
anteayaso that helps23:03
anteayaclarkb: this email doesn't give us what we currently ask for: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/third-party-requests/2014-October/000027.html23:04
fungianteaya: i think those are cases where a stackforge project wants to test their changes and report into gerrit on them?23:04
anteayaclarkb: it gives us what we used to ask for23:04
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fungianteaya: so may not be covered by our recommendations around driver vendors reporting on openstack changes23:05
anteayafungi: do we have different rules for stackforge?23:05
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anteayafungi: what happens if they get an account to test stackforge and start testing openstack service changes?23:05
anteayafungi: what do I do then?23:05
fungianteaya: i don't know about rules, but we have other _situations_ third-party testing is used for besides driver vendors23:05
anteayafungi: well coming out of the germany mid-cycle23:06
anteayaI was told company name driver name ci23:06
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anteayaand that is what I have been trying unsucessfully to implement23:06
fungianteaya: i guess ask them to make up a fake driver name?23:06
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anteayasince folks are not reading our current documentation23:06
openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Update EPEL7 version  https://review.openstack.org/12847223:06
anteayafungi: I don't know how to handle that use case23:07
anteayasince once they have an account, we can't stop them from posting comments to anything23:07
anteayanow we can disable them if someone complains23:07
pleia2jogo: how does friday look for you? thursday could work too, but I have to leave by 2:30 for an appointment23:07
anteayabut shutting off systems to get compliance doesn't seem to be working well23:08
fungianteaya: as is the case with any third-party ci, if they comment/vote on projects which didn't invite them to do so, we disable their account until they fix it23:08
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openstackgerritKhai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: add documentation for globbed parameter feature  https://review.openstack.org/12847623:08
anteayaI think I am getting tired of being the only person following up on these cases23:09
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anteayasince non complliant systems fall on me to educate and track23:09
fungianteaya: you're not compelled to do that. hopefully if you stop doing it, others in the community will step up to continue the effort (assuming they too find it necessary and worthwhile)23:10
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clarkbanteaya: sorry I stepped away :)23:11
fungianteaya: anyway, i was just hoping to save you some frustrating conversations where you kept asking them what driver they were testing even though they weren't testing any driver23:11
clarkbanteaya: if you want to annotate the etherpad with info and make give me a list of things that are read to go I will go ahead and do those23:11
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anteayaclarkb: np23:11
anteayafungi: they haven't so far23:11
anteayafungi: and I appreciate that23:12
clarkbfungi anteaya: for non compliant can't we just let the projects in question yell?23:12
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anteayapart of me feels that working hard to figure out how to get an account for someone who can't read documentation about how to request an account is a poor beginning23:12
fungiwhen someone pops in here or comments in the ml that they see nonconformant/annoying behavior from a third-party system, and i see it, i generally disable it on the spot and e-mail the announce list now that we have one23:13
anteayaclarkb: sure, they tend to yell at me though23:13
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anteayafungi: yes, I have seen that23:13
anteayafungi: and I thank you23:13
fungithough you've usually noticed faster than i do, given me a heads up, and e-mailed that ml yourselg23:13
fungier, yourself23:13
anteayaperhaps I am just tired and frustrated with this whole space23:13
fungii can understand that. it's a frustrating situation23:14
anteayaI really had hoped that by now through lots of effort there would be a critical mass able to self-direct23:14
fungihopefully that's one of the things hogepodge will have time to start working on improving23:14
anteayabut the group is growing larger than the critical mass can recognized itself23:14
anteayawho is hogepodge23:15
anteayaand how do I donate to his/her campaign?23:15
fungione of our awesome community members, who was recently hired by the foundation to start helping improve the interop and third-party-testing spaces23:16
anteayaoh thank god23:16
anteayado they know to attend the third party meeting?23:16
anteayaI will train them and they can do all these things23:16
* anteaya fixes up an altar to hogepodge23:16
fungii think he's been focused more on the interop/defcore/refstack situation so far, but i expect he'll want to start getting involved in the third-party testing stuff soon as well23:16
clarkbya I think he is currently pulled in a million directions23:17
clarkbwill be at the summit though23:17
fungithat is what we do to people23:17
clarkband we grab lunch/beers occasionally in portland23:17
fungiyou're drawn and quartered alive23:17
anteayaI think I know him23:17
anteayaoh goodness23:17
anteayayeah if he fell in the refstack hole I don't expect to see him again23:18
anteayahe is a good dancer23:18
clarkbanteaya: anyways, I am currently trying to multitask and do some unpacking23:18
anteayaleads well23:18
anteayaclarkb: yeah let me annotate the etherpad23:18
clarkbanteaya: but if you want to help me out with info on the etherpad as you see it I can then take what is ready and ram it through23:18
anteayaand email in response23:18
clarkbawesome will check back in in about 10 minutes23:19
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anteayaclarkb: I will try to find something ready for you to ram through23:19
anteayaclarkb: guess I needed to b**ch a bit first23:19
mordredanybody who wants their eyes to bleed:23:21
JayFhaha I read the link and thought "sweet" before I saw your commentary on it :)23:21
mordredJayF: my god - you're not one of the people who actually like systemd are you?23:21
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JayFI think we've had this conversation before23:22
jogopleia2: friday works better for me23:22
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* mordred makes mental note to isloate JayF somehow23:22
JayFand yes, I am an unabashed lover of the giant daemon of init love23:22
mordredJayF: we probably have - I probably erased it from my brain23:22
JayFmordred: containers launched from systemd unit files running on CoreOS (or a similar minimalist distribution) == the future :)23:22
pleia2jogo: great, 1pm? feel free to pick a place and I'll be there :)23:22
mordredJayF: do you just enjoy debugging things with cryptic binary file formats or laptops that don't suspend properly then?23:22
JayFmordred: I generally don't run linux on laptops... or many workstations at all for that matter23:23
mordredJayF: that sounds like _a_ future - I just wish people would stop breaking my linux while trying to produce the totally new thing you just described23:23
mordredbecause what you described is a completelya nd totally new system design23:23
fungiJayF: freebsd i guess? ;)23:23
JayFI can't take credit for it23:23
mordredwhich is great- people should experiment with such things23:23
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JayFI just saw that the CoreOS guys are doing and hitched up my wagon :)23:24
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mordredbut it would be great if they'd not do it in the middle of my production OS23:24
fungiJayF: hurd?23:24
JayFfungi: so for a long time I only ran windows on personal stuff, and had a linux laptop for work23:24
fungino wait... don't tell me... plan9!23:24
jogofungi: haha23:24
JayFfungi: I switched to a mac for work about 15 months ago... and this weekend completed my sellout by buying my first personal macbook23:24
jogopleia2: figuring out what to eat for lunch is always the hard part23:25
pleia2anteaya: oh yeah, I told hogepodge to come to 3rd party meetings when I saw him at puppetconf, he seemed excited, so we can remind him :)23:25
JayFmordred: What distro in particular are you grumbly at in this case, hehe23:25
mordredJayF: all of them23:25
mordredJayF: I have NO CHOICES any more23:25
pleia2jogo: haha, right, osha thai that one time was good23:25
JayFmordred: I honestly found some of my like for systemd in suffering through upstart and never really "getting it"23:25
fungimordred: you can choose between hate and more hate?23:25
JayFmordred: and then swapped over to systemd and stuff made sense23:25
mordredJayF: well, my laptop stopped working properly23:26
jogopleia2: oh that sounds good, lets do that23:26
mordredso if that's "sense" then awesome :)23:26
jeblairmordred: after some thought, i selected "GNU Emacs" as my favorite linux distro when registering with LCA because i was pretty sure it doesn't use systemd.  yet.23:26
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mordredjeblair: NICE23:26
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JayFmordred: like I said, I use linux mostly in the context of the server; so I get better init tooling and don't have my laptop broken, haha23:26
fungijeblair: i hear there's an elisp port of systemd on the way23:26
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mordredJayF: well, the thing is, systemd only makes sense as an init replacement for laptops23:26
anteayapleia2: now that I know who he is23:26
JayFmordred: but I'm generally a fan of things working, and your distro let you down which really sucks :(23:26
mordredJayF: for servers, if you wanted a daemon that behaves like systemd23:26
clarkbjeblair: you would use systemd to fork emacs as your desktop env23:27
mordredJayF: it's called xinetd23:27
pleia2anteaya: oh good :)23:27
anteayapleia2: make sure you go dancing with him next time, he is very patient and a great lead23:27
pleia2anteaya: oh no, I don't dance23:27
anteayanot yet23:27
jeblairmordred: except systemd broke my laptop23:27
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mordredJayF: and you should be able to install it to get your process-in-containers vision without polluting the init daemon23:27
mordredjeblair: right.23:27
pleia2anteaya: hehe23:27
mordredjeblair: it's terrible at the one thing it's supposed to be good at23:27
mordredand it's breaking servers in the process23:27
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mordredall while trying to do insane things like REPLACING CRON23:27
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clarkbmordred: I must've missed it how did it break your laptop?23:28
clarkbis this because you install debian?23:28
JayFmordred: I actually like systemd as my pid 1, I like the depedency resolution, the tooling to help me make a system boot faster (or troubleshoot boots generally)23:28
mordredclarkb: I'm running trusty23:28
mordredclarkb: systemd takes over acpi events23:28
JayFmordred: trusty has no systemd?23:28
mordredclarkb: which means that my laptop lid close behavior is wrong23:28
clarkboh right it does have that fake systemd package thing23:28
clarkbwhich is like everything but init systemd23:28
fungioh, yeah yjere23:28
mordredJayF: see, the thing is - systemd isn't the blocker to fast boot times23:29
anteayaso help me understand something here23:29
mordredJayF: opensatck is23:29
JayFAh, I had no idea it shipped with a shim for systemd23:29
mordredJayF: :)23:29
fungithere's been a flamewar^Wthread on debian-devel this past week about systemd's acpi equivalent stuff23:29
anteayaand use small words because I am slow23:29
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mordredJayF: or, on real hardware, the POST that will take 4 minutes23:29
anteayathe reason for a project to be in stackforge is to use our ci yes?23:29
mordredanteaya: or our gerrit23:29
JayFmordred: it's generally more about the tooling available to troubleshoot it23:29
anteayawas that not the reason stackforge was set up?23:29
mordredJayF: right. that's precisely the reason I don't want systemd23:30
anteayaokay or our gerrit23:30
mordredJayF: beacuse I have good tooling23:30
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mordredand with systemd I no longer do23:30
anteayawhat is a scenario where someone needs a ci to test stackforge?23:30
JayFYou just have different tooling :)23:30
mordredJayF: init scripts, it turns out, work really predictably23:30
mordredJayF: yes. and it worked well23:30
mordredJayF: there was literally nothing broken about it23:30
jogois systemd the emacs vs vim flame of this decade?23:30
JayFjogo: you're probably right23:30
JayFI don't want to convince anyone my idea is better23:31
mordredno. because with emacs vs. vim you have a choice23:31
JayFI just reject the idea that nobody likes systemd23:31
JayFbecause I do :)23:31
mordredI'm bad because I don't get to choose not systemd23:31
mordredI'm fine with JayF liking it23:31
mordredI just dont' want to be forced to live in the delusions of lennart pottering23:31
fungianteaya: so... there are sometimes projects being developed on stackforge which run things we can't reasonably be expected to run in our infrastructure, but they want to test that for their projects... for example the chef people might want to try to deploy a bunch of openstack cookbook roles across a network of bare metal servers23:31
JayFmordred: I really do hope, in all seriousness, that distros still exist with other inits23:31
mordredJayF: gentoo23:31
JayFmordred: FWIW I know ChromeOS is sticking with upstart23:31
mordredJayF: seriously, the only one23:31
jeblairthough it's worth noting (and this is not a value judgement) that JayF is not a user of systemd on a linux distro.  :)23:31
JayFmordred: I ran a gentoo with systemd for a long time23:31
mordredJayF: that's not a distro23:31
mordredJayF: yes - but they make it a choice, as it should be23:32
jeblairand of course, i am immediately corrected ;)23:32
anteayafungi: okay23:32
pleia2systemd handling my power preferences will be nice, the fact that my DE does it is kind of stupid23:32
pleia2not just because it does it badly23:32
JayFjeblair: I am an administrator of buckets full of nodes running systemd :P why should it matter it's in the form of the IPA ramdisk23:32
anteayaso do ci's that want to test stackforge projects have their own naming rules?23:32
fungianteaya: without knowing a lot about, e.g., poppy or whatever the other one was, i don't know what they might want to test externally and report on for their changes23:32
anteayafor instance we don't allow ci's to have project names in them23:33
JayFjeblair: especially when I did a lot of the systemd shenanigans (of which there are more in our downstream image) to setup the ramdisk23:33
mordredanteaya: we have no rules for that23:33
anteayamordred: right we have no rules for that23:33
anteayaand we have 3 requests for accounts23:33
mordredanteaya: why?23:33
anteayathat want to be name stackforgeproject ci23:33
jeblairJayF: i think the interesting thing i'm getting from this conversation is that systemd may be very useful for your use case which is quite different from my laptop23:33
mordredor my servers23:33
anteayamordred: why do we have requests for accounts?23:33
anteayamordred: they didn't tell me23:33
mordredanteaya: I would respond with "why"23:33
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fungianteaya: the reason we don't have project names in ci systems reporting on official projects is because there are multiples of them, so for example you don't want a dozen "something neutron ci" accounts. for a stackforge project where the devs are also operating an external test rig and they want to give it an account to report on their changes, there may be no similar opportunity for confusion23:34
JayFjeblair: that's a very reasonable and potentially accurate observation; I know that personally I'd prefer never administer a server with traditional fork-and-pidfile init systems23:34
anteayawell the group based policy folks get very huffy when I ask why23:34
mordredanteaya: would you like me to?23:34
anteayaI asked them for a description of their project for the creation patch and they replied with a marketing answer23:35
anteayamordred: please23:35
mordredwhere do I do that?23:35
clarkbso I think one of the things that stackforge has evolved into is a corporately acceptable place to opensource23:35
anteayamordred: join us: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mid-october-3rd-party-accounts23:35
clarkbwhich is kinda neat and kinda scary23:35
clarkbbut may also be a reason for third party accounts in stackforge23:35
anteayamordred: rackspace poppy, cloudbased-init and group based policy are all yours23:35
mordredyeah. that's insane23:36
mordredthe reason for third-party testing it to enable vendors with drivers that we can't test in infra23:36
anteayamordred: perhaps from the responses we can figure out how to name them so that it fits the companyname drivername ci format we agreed to in germany23:36
anteayamordred: good please save me from further insanity23:36
mordredanteaya: I am not interested in us being in the third-party-testing-on-stackforge business23:36
mordredit makes no sense23:36
anteayamordred: thank you23:36
mordredthat is called "github"23:37
anteayamordred: please express that to them23:37
mordredI will - although I get the feeling I'm going to have to subscribe to a list...23:37
fungimordred: well, we have told stackforge projects in the past that third-party testing was an option for testing things on their projects that we couldn't (or wouldn't) host the infrastructure to support ourselves23:37
anteayamordred: you should find links to the parent emails and your email should be unmodded to be able to post23:37
anteayamordred: you should be unmodded23:37
anteayamordred: though subscribing to third-party-requests is a good idea if you aren't already23:38
jeblairit was at least helpful for sahara when they were pre-incubation23:38
anteayathat list is unmodded23:38
anteayajeblair: yes, so if there is a valid reason23:38
anteayabut not if it is the fashion23:38
mordredjeblair: that's a good point23:38
jeblairyeah, i think anyone subscribed to -infra can email the request list without moderation, so no subscription necessary23:38
anteayaand everyone one has to have one23:38
lifelessKey Y must be signed by key X.23:38
lifelessKey Y must be signed by at least 2 keys which are part of the active Debian keyring.23:38
lifelessThe request for replacement should be signed by key X but may be signed by any key that is part of the active Debian Developer keyring.23:38
lifelessKey Y should sign at least one key that is part of the active Debian keyring (and ideally at least sign both of the active keys that sign it).23:38
mordredlifeless: that is interesting information23:38
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mordredlifeless: I get the feeling, though, that it might have been a paste ;)23:39
fungilifeless: another key transition for you?23:39
lifelessoh bah23:39
fungilifeless: or have you just not gotten around to updating your key in the dd ring until now?23:39
lifelessfungi: no, docs for sending mine to keyring maint23:39
mordredanteaya: I may choose to spend a moment where I'm not upset about systemd before responding to those23:39
fungilifeless: figured23:39
lifelessmordred: uselessd 4 eva23:40
anteayamordred: good idea23:40
fungiit seems to still be an active project, so at least it didn't die of neglect in its first month23:40
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fungiv4 was released a week ago23:41
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clarkbmordred: do you know how gentoo does their systemdless install? does it come iwth the same shims that trusty installs?23:43
clarkbanteaya: so to recap its just those two that I should create? nexenta2 and huawei cinder?23:44
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clarkbor are we able to do poppy too?23:45
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openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/gitdm: Update clarkb affiliation  https://review.openstack.org/12848423:46
lifelessclarkb: oh congrats23:47
lifelessclarkb: I didn't realise you'd moved23:47
clarkbya I completely failed at announcing it earlier. ETOOMUCHGOINGON23:48
clarkband thanks23:49
anteayaclarkb: not nexenta2, just nexenta23:49
clarkbanteaya: that is the heading I had it under on the etherpad23:49
anteayaclarkb: and the Huawei account23:49
anteayaclarkb: ah okay23:49
clarkbI will create those accounts right now. will let you know when done23:50
anteayanow I have to chase down Huawei CI to get them to rename themselves23:50
anteayaclarkb: no not poppy23:51
anteayaclarkb: since poppy si the name of a stackforge project, so mordred has that one23:51
lifelessI presume all the infra servers have been de-poodled?23:52
fungilifeless: i got the impression workarounds were going to happen mainly browser-side for that23:53
fungithough i suppose we could drop sslv3 support from all our systems23:53
fungiyep, that's the announcement i read23:54
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pleia2clarkb: congrats! :)23:54
fungilifeless: so, browsers should avoid using/downgrading to sslv3... we can in theory mitigate that by dropping sslv3 from our supported protocols in all our apache configs23:55
lifelessfrom the whitepaper23:55
lifelessssl3 is the thing thats broken23:55
lifelessso yes23:55
lifelessyes, the browsers can make things better too23:56
lifelessfungi: did you read https://www.openssl.org/~bodo/ssl-poodle.pdf ?23:56
fungilifeless: nope, hadn't seen that one yet23:56
fungilifeless: oh! that was linked from the word "details" in the announcement23:57
funginot sure how i missed that23:57
clarkbanteaya: ok the two good ones are done23:57
anteayaclarkb: thank you23:57
clarkbfungi: should I be sorting out how to make puppetlabs-apache do that for us?23:58
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clarkbhrm that will probably have to be in each of the vhosts23:59

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