| jroll | mordred: tomorrow :P | 00:00 |
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| mordred | oh. then no :) | 00:00 |
| clarkb | mordred: today according to my UTC clock on weechat | 00:00 |
| clarkb | in fact it just flipped over less than a minute ago | 00:00 |
| jroll | heh | 00:00 |
| jroll | it's midnight, time to go home! | 00:01 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: did 93167 end up needing a rebase? | 00:01 |
| * clarkb figures out how to see all jenkisn comments in gertty | 00:01 | |
| clarkb | 't' | 00:02 |
| clarkb | and it did need a rebase /me revies | 00:02 |
| openstackgerrit | patrick-crews proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adding tripleo-ci files to be indexed by logstash https://review.openstack.org/107841 | 00:02 |
| clarkb | and gertty crashed | 00:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Logstash: Modifying rewrite rules to allow kibana 3 https://review.openstack.org/93167 | 00:02 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: it did need a rebase, but i rebased it post3 | 00:03 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: uhm you rebased again? | 00:03 |
| nibalizer | just pressed rebase button cus it was there | 00:03 |
| clarkb | uh ok | 00:03 |
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| nibalizer | so it didn't need a rebase, but now we know for sure :) | 00:03 |
| clarkb | mordred: jeblair: in 89367 is that currently affecting our lists? and will the switch of providers do anything funny for the existing lists? | 00:06 |
| clarkb | and has that been tested with puppet3? | 00:09 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/requirements: Add new requirement beautifulsoup4 https://review.openstack.org/113084 | 00:11 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Run sideways ironic greande only on juno branches https://review.openstack.org/127319 | 00:11 |
| clarkb | A rudimentary diff says the puppet3 code hasn't changed | 00:11 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Add rally-self job https://review.openstack.org/127512 | 00:12 |
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| lifeless | and folk wonder why distros are not the go-to place for distributing software now... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=311033 | 00:20 |
| uvirtbot | Debian bug 311033 in exim4-config "exim4-config: support for submission port 587 in default config" [Wishlist,Open] | 00:20 |
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| fungi | granted, mh has some strong (and occasionally grating) opinions... i have not however found it complicated to set/uncomment the correct bits of exim configuration to do authenticated-only smtp on the submission port (backed to the same auth daemon my imap services use) | 00:23 |
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| clarkb | I dunno I think there are too few ISPs | 00:24 |
| clarkb | I have one option where I live | 00:24 |
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| clarkb | (technically two but 256kbps dsl doesn't count) | 00:24 |
| StevenK | fungi: The same can be said for Postfix, TBH ... | 00:28 |
| fungi | StevenK: no doubt... though the bug in question was open against exim specifically | 00:31 |
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| StevenK | Ah yes, class Marc | 00:32 |
| StevenK | *classic | 00:33 |
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| lifeless | fungi: i know, I too have done tht | 00:53 |
| lifeless | fungi: but the whole point of packaging software is the config glue into the local environment. simple compiling is not the hard bit | 00:53 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: I'll propose a new patch to 117572 sure, tomorrow | 01:06 |
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| clarkb | thank you and happy thanksgiving | 01:07 |
| anteaya | thanks | 01:08 |
| anteaya | I actually did some nice things today | 01:08 |
| anteaya | walked 20K and read a book | 01:08 |
| anteaya | the novelty of it all | 01:08 |
| tchaypo | 20k in a day? | 01:09 |
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| tchaypo | my feet are grumbling at just the thought | 01:11 |
| anteaya | good shoes | 01:12 |
| anteaya | I love walking | 01:13 |
| anteaya | get shoes that fit | 01:13 |
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| lifeless | the yak shave is strong today | 01:24 |
| lifeless | wanted to do my keysigning from last summit | 01:24 |
| lifeless | needed to reset up caff | 01:24 |
| lifeless | needed to fixup local mta | 01:24 |
| lifeless | needed to reconfigure exim4 on my home server | 01:24 |
| fungi | it's yaks all the way down | 01:24 |
| lifeless | needed to fix ym ipv6 config (as I have an ipv6 vpn but tunnel was down) | 01:24 |
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| lifeless | requires ICMP ping to my IP to work (but stupid consumer PPPoE box refuses that | 01:25 |
| lifeless | DMZ might work but can't do that unless you use the DHCPd in the PPPoE box. W.T.F. | 01:25 |
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| jeblair | i have so many pictures of yaks from my trip to china | 01:32 |
| jeblair | i thought of my friends here everytime i saw one | 01:32 |
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| mwhudson | caff seems to have much stricter requirements on the local mta than anything else | 01:34 |
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| fungi | jeblair: has my hair really gotten *that* shaggy? | 01:36 |
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| tchaypo | jhesketh: I'm trying to name a project | 07:37 |
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| tchaypo | jhesketh: I've just remembered your invaluable advice | 07:37 |
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| tchaypo | however, massive-octo-computing-machine isn't a great choice for me *refreshes* | 07:38 |
| tchaypo | spawncamping-wookie isn't bad | 07:38 |
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| tchaypo | ah, here we go - petulant-adventure | 07:38 |
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| tchaypo | for a tool that takes a git repo and applies a series of unlanded patches from gerrit, that's not bad | 07:38 |
| jhesketh | tchaypo: heh, it's lots of fun | 07:39 |
| jhesketh | I wish I could take credit for it | 07:39 |
| tchaypo | it seems they like to use "shiny" "octo" "wookie" and "ironman" | 07:39 |
| jhesketh | :-) | 07:39 |
| tchaypo | I got "shiny-ironman" a few times. I'm sure that's a reference to Tony, but I'm not sure if they mean Stark or Abbott | 07:40 |
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| lifeless | righto, ksp signatures finally sent out | 09:20 |
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| AJaeger | lifeless, just in time for Paris ;) Thanks! | 09:22 |
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| flaper87 | AJaeger: hey :) | 09:31 |
| flaper87 | AJaeger: can I get your +2 on this again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125562/ | 09:31 |
| * AJaeger checks | 09:32 | |
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| AJaeger | flaper87, approved | 09:36 |
| flaper87 | AJaeger: thanks | 09:37 |
| AJaeger | flaper87, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125563/ | 09:38 |
| AJaeger | flaper87, clarkb suggested that you need to teach devstack-gate about it - please double check | 09:38 |
| AJaeger | devstack != devstack-gate | 09:38 |
| flaper87 | AJaeger: ah, he did say devstack gate | 09:38 |
| flaper87 | damn, I misread | 09:39 |
| flaper87 | AJaeger: how do you "teach" devstack-gate about env vars ? | 09:39 |
| AJaeger | flaper87, have a look at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/devstack-vm-gate.sh#n59 | 09:40 |
| flaper87 | AJaeger: thanks | 09:40 |
| AJaeger | flaper87, but I've never touched devstack-gate myself - so you're on your own at this point of time - until others wake up ;) | 09:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Add a job for functional tests in zaqarclient https://review.openstack.org/125562 | 09:43 |
| AJaeger | flaper87, thanks for asking me - looking up that file, I could answer a question from rossella_s as well ;) | 09:43 |
| flaper87 | AJaeger: :D awesome, glad it helped | 09:43 |
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| rossella_s | thanks both of you then AJaeger flaper87 | 09:44 |
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| flaper87 | AJaeger: ^ | 09:47 |
| AJaeger | flaper87, let's tell clarkb about it ^ - thanks! | 09:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-dev/pbr: Adds option for excluding files from autodoc trees https://review.openstack.org/120216 | 14:03 |
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| ttx | fungi: hey! was wondering if there was anything we could do to unclog the post queue | 14:03 |
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| fungi | ttx: looking, but it's probably just the fact that post is even precedence with merge-check | 14:04 |
| ttx | merge-check is empty though | 14:05 |
| fungi | yep, looks that way. i hadn't been staring at the status page | 14:05 |
| ttx | err | 14:05 |
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| fungi | a ton of nova changes in silent fighting it for resources though | 14:06 |
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| fungi | oh, there we go... merge-check just spiked up | 14:06 |
| ttx | merge-check now appears to have 529 changes in it | 14:06 |
| fungi | nova commits must be merging | 14:06 |
| ttx | what could trigger that ? | 14:06 |
| ttx | hmm | 14:07 |
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| fungi | when we merge a lot of changes, both merge-check and post will spike | 14:07 |
| fungi | though merge-check spikes much higher and gets evacuated much more quickly since it doesn't require job workers, just time from the zul mergers | 14:08 |
| ttx | would be great to get post slightly higher prio. release scripts tend to compare the tag-generated tarball with the last branch-generated tarball for consistency | 14:08 |
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| fungi | "slightly" is hard... zuul uses gearman priorities for this, and the protocol gives you a grand total of three | 14:08 |
| ttx | heh | 14:08 |
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| ttx | bah, I'll work around it manually | 14:09 |
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| fungi | so we've been playing shuffle to get things not to starve the gate, but give it priority over check, but get other things not to starve check... | 14:09 |
| ttx | (I manually check that the differences that are reported are warranted) | 14:09 |
| ttx | as long as pre-release has higher prio I should be ok | 14:09 |
| fungi | yeah, pre-release, release, tag and gate are all at the "high" priority right now | 14:10 |
| ttx | fungi: ok, thx for the info | 14:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use 1024 MB RAM for Ironic agent VMs https://review.openstack.org/128306 | 14:30 |
| jroll | ^ this should fix some Ironic non-voting CI that I've been neglecting :( | 14:31 |
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| anteaya | I finally had a moment to collect my thoughts and vote in the tc election | 14:43 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: how do I remove an email from a mailing list? an over zealous third party operator emailed both third party lists and I would like to remove the email from the list that has no relationship to the topic of the email | 14:46 |
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| mordred | anteaya: not possible | 14:47 |
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| mordred | anteaya: sometimes people just email things | 14:47 |
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| anteaya | mordred: yeah, seems like we need a baby gate everywhere for some folks | 14:49 |
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| clarkb | jroll: do we have enough ram on the test nodes to support that? | 14:55 |
| jroll | clarkb: ironic CI used to run with 1024, so I think we should | 14:56 |
| jroll | though I should doublecheck how many VMs will be running | 14:56 |
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| jroll | oh yeah, let me turn that down a bit | 14:56 |
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| jroll | clarkb: good call, ty | 14:57 |
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| fungi | ttx: post pipeline caught up a few minutes ago if you wanted to check tarballs | 15:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, hey, re your comments for rebase perms in sahara | 15:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, in nova milestone team is << core team | 15:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, but in sahara we're using core team only, it's small enough to have additional permissions | 15:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, and there is no sense to duplicate team :) | 15:01 |
| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: but those branches already use milestone team | 15:01 |
| jroll | clarkb: hmm, git.o.o isn't responding for me, not sure which end it's on... I'll have a new patch up when I can | 15:01 |
| clarkb | jroll: ok | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use 1024 MB RAM for Ironic agent VMs https://review.openstack.org/128306 | 15:02 |
| jroll | there she goes | 15:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, oh, I just understand your comment, you mean to use milestone team for proposed/* branches only, that's correct | 15:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, nice catch :) | 15:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, th | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Lukjanov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Grant core/milestone to rebase changes in extra sahara projects https://review.openstack.org/127369 | 15:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Lukjanov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Grant core/milestone to rebase changes in sahara https://review.openstack.org/127368 | 15:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, ^^ | 15:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Julie Pichon proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Horizon integration tests require Xvfb https://review.openstack.org/128325 | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: any reason for me not to +A 125244 the Name pipelines in zuul gerrit comments patch? | 15:12 |
| clarkb | is jeblair +2? he had some concerns | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | jeblair has not reviewed | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | I am fine to wait to hear/read jeblair's thoughts | 15:13 |
| anteaya | I'll +2 and move on | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | made a note that I will wait for Jim | 15:14 |
| fungi | yeah i was waiting for him to weigh in on that one | 15:15 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: can I get a rebase please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126448/ | 15:15 |
| anteaya | fungi: kk, thanks | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126716/ the second devstack patch mentioned in your commit message merged in July and has to do with databases | 15:17 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: I suspect that is not the patch you intended on linking to | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | unless of course I am really wrong here | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | chmouel: can we get a +A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126714/ please? | 15:21 |
| john-davidge | Hello all o/ | 15:21 |
| clarkb | john-davidge: good morning/afternoon/evening whatever it may be :) | 15:22 |
| john-davidge | Just wondering why Jenkins test results are no longer replaced by their newer versions anymore? | 15:22 |
| chmouel | anteaya: sure let me test it first | 15:22 |
| john-davidge | clarkb: Late afternoon in chilly England :) | 15:22 |
| anteaya | chmouel: absolutely | 15:22 |
| john-davidge | On Gerrit that is | 15:23 |
| anteaya | mordred: did you want to offer a new patchset for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126720/3 or shall I? | 15:23 |
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| clarkb | john-davidge: they should. Are you talking about the summarized table near the commit message at the top of a change page? | 15:24 |
| clarkb | john-davidge: I think we are still working out some of the bugs around that, and there are some change up to make it a little more reliable | 15:24 |
| chmouel | anteaya: approved, | 15:24 |
| john-davidge | clarkb: Yes, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87987/ for example | 15:24 |
| anteaya | chmouel: my thanks good sir | 15:24 |
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| john-davidge | clarkb: Just not behavior I had seen before, was wondering if it is a bug or a feature :) | 15:25 |
| clarkb | john-davidge: I see the latest data (at least for jenkins). I wonder if we are not handling reload events properly | 15:25 |
| clarkb | so I get the latest data when loading the change from scratch | 15:25 |
| clarkb | but you see older data if the page has been open for a bit | 15:26 |
| fungi | john-davidge: the current state is because some projects' core reviewers were concerned that the latest results hid earlier failures which could indicate nondeterministic bugs getting rechecked until they finally got lucky | 15:26 |
| john-davidge | fungi: Ah that makes sense, thanks. I can see the benefit of that approach. | 15:26 |
| fungi | so at the moment it shows all historical results for the current patchset (but not for earlier patchsets) in that table | 15:26 |
| clarkb | oh I see what you mean | 15:27 |
| fungi | there is work in progress to get that condensed/summarized without hiding too much | 15:27 |
| fungi | i believe once the "naming pipelines" change anteaya was asking about gets in, the next step was going to be to roll up earlier results for the same pipeline and make them toggle to expose/hide | 15:28 |
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| fungi | so that they don't occupy quite as much screen real estate | 15:29 |
| john-davidge | fungi: Can I suggest listing the results in order from newest to oldest? The current layout confused me at first because it looks like the test has failed at first glance. | 15:29 |
| clarkb | jroll: so with a VM count of 1 won't that break tests? | 15:30 |
| clarkb | adam_g: ^ | 15:30 |
| fungi | john-davidge: with the comments being in chronological order, it probably makes sense for the results to also get listed in the same order, but i think once only the most recent for each system/pipeline is expanded by default and the others are collapsed into headings only it will hopefully be less confusing | 15:30 |
| jroll | clarkb: agent tests aren't run in parallel yet afaik, so I don't think so | 15:30 |
| john-davidge | fungi: Ok that sounds good | 15:31 |
| clarkb | jroll: also just so this is out there. You can run an entire linx desktop env in well under 512 MB :) | 15:31 |
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| * fungi does this in fact | 15:32 | |
| jroll | clarkb: heh, remember this is a ramdisk, it's coreos with a minimal ubuntu container... and python | 15:32 |
| clarkb | jroll: except its not minimal | 15:32 |
| jroll | clarkb: and iirc coreos only uses half of the ram for its root | 15:32 |
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| jroll | clarkb: it's pretty dang minimal for ubuntu... we could probably do better | 15:33 |
| jroll | e.g. not use ubuntu | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | It is an absolutely gorgeous autumn day, I haven't heard anyone backing up machinery and I am making homemade soup! | 15:34 |
| jroll | just... remember the entire rootfs is in RAM here, this isn't just memory usage | 15:34 |
| anteaya | yay! | 15:34 |
| clarkb | jroll: yes I know | 15:35 |
| clarkb | jroll: and while things have bloated more recently, you can make really tiny installs | 15:36 |
| jroll | clarkb: anyhow, hoping to get tests to run at all here, this is a short-term workaround for our lack of a minimal build | 15:36 |
| clarkb | jroll: one last thing. agent_ssh is the bland name for the coreos image based thing? | 15:37 |
| jroll | long term plan is use DIB | 15:37 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I added a new patchset to the sdad change in config: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117572/ it is down to one file now since the other got changed already: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/logs/help/tempest-logs.html#n146 | 15:37 |
| clarkb | anteaya: thank you | 15:37 |
| jroll | clarkb: that's the driver name for ironic, convention is $deploydriver_$powerdriver | 15:37 |
| jroll | clarkb: that driver interacts with ironic-python-agent, whether that's in a coreos/dib/whatever ramdisk | 15:38 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 15:38 |
| clarkb | (just clarifying because instead of two distinct cases there is more base case, then override for agent_ssh thing | 15:38 |
| jroll | cool | 15:39 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I am applying 118924 to -worker20 now | 15:46 |
| clarkb | if that goes well I will approve the change and it will end up everywhere | 15:46 |
| clarkb | hrm have to remember how to set up a puppet env | 15:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mikhail Dubov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Make Rally gate-rally-dsvm-cli job voting https://review.openstack.org/128246 | 15:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Mikhail Dubov proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Make Rally gate-rally-dsvm-cli job voting https://review.openstack.org/128246 | 15:50 |
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| jeblair | anteaya, clarkb, fungi: +2 on 125244 | 15:54 |
| anteaya | jeblair: thank you | 15:55 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: any reason to not +A it now? | 15:55 |
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| clarkb | nope I think if jeblair is happy with it then I won't stop it from merging :) | 15:56 |
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| anteaya | I will +A | 15:56 |
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| anteaya | wasn't sure if pipeline error message changes would adversely affect running pipelines | 15:57 |
| anteaya | I haven't heard back from mordred on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126720/3 so I will submit a new patchset | 15:58 |
| jeblair | my thoughts earlier were along the line of prefering the original wording, but i also agree that 'check build failed' is confusing because it sounds like an imperative, so the current wording is fine i think. | 15:58 |
| anteaya | jeblair: great | 15:58 |
| jeblair | anteaya: merging should have no adverse affect on running jobs | 15:58 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: can you remind me how to override puppet lockfile path? | 16:00 |
| jeblair | i'm going to see the doctor about my sore throat; hope to be back by meeting time | 16:00 |
| anteaya | jeblair: great, thank you | 16:00 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: I hope you feel better | 16:00 |
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| clarkb | hrm my new puppet env isn't quite right. To the docs! | 16:03 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: is your corvus puppet env working with the new puppetmaster? | 16:04 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: god be with you | 16:05 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: i thought so, but i didn't use it much | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Name pipelines in zuul gerrit comments https://review.openstack.org/125244 | 16:10 |
| clarkb | it is not immediately clear why mine is not working | 16:10 |
| clarkb | may be permissions related | 16:10 |
| clarkb | but my modmask is friendly | 16:10 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i only see 'corvus', 'example_env', and 'production' | 16:10 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: /etc/puppet/environments | 16:11 |
| clarkb | ooohh you have to edit that too | 16:11 |
| jeblair | clarkb: you'll need to set one up there and write a config file | 16:11 |
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| clarkb | thanks | 16:11 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: that did it. thanks | 16:14 |
| fungi | neat! https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mailman-api/ | 16:14 |
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| anteaya | oh chmouel, one more for you if you happen to be about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126720/ | 16:19 |
| anteaya | chmouel: would be nice to have these and then we can get devstack doc publishing happening under infra | 16:19 |
| pleia2 | good morning | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | Anyone have a suggestion on what to do when a first time contributor never responds to the patch notes? | 16:20 |
| chmouel | anteaya: sure! testing and will review | 16:20 |
| anteaya | chmouel: thank you! | 16:20 |
| anteaya | pleia2: morning | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | I could abandon it, but... | 16:21 |
| chmouel | those doc building takes time 8-) | 16:21 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: if the patch is important, take over the patch | 16:21 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: you can try contacting submitter directly | 16:21 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: how long since you left the comments? | 16:21 |
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| anteaya | chmouel: it does | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | About a month | 16:21 |
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| anteaya | krotscheck: yeah so that is sufficient time to move on | 16:22 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: is the patch of value, do you need it? | 16:22 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: or as clarkb says you can try emailing the submitter and letting them know your decision to either take it over or abandon | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | Just trying to get an idea of what a the rule of thumb abandonment policy is now that things don’t auto-abandon | 16:23 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: might be nice for a first timer | 16:23 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: you get to make it up | 16:23 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: and accept the consequences, whatever they are | 16:24 |
| anteaya | but yeah, a month is a decent amount of time to wait | 16:24 |
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| chmouel | anteaya: approved and thanks! | 16:27 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: I think you want to abandon changes that have no future. either because the submitter has given up on it (by not responding for a few weeks) and no one else is willingto pick the work up. Or if the change just shouldn't merge due to technical reasons | 16:28 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: hopefulyl bug fixes get pciekd up by someone else | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | clarkb: Well, it’s a pretty useful patch to the oauth system - it’s just that the check was not put in the correct place. Having said that, we’ve got a decent amount of work that’s about to happen on the oauth system anyway, so it’s likely that patch will become obsolete anyway. | 16:29 |
| anteaya | chmouel: thank you!! | 16:30 |
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| fungi | gonna go run some errands and grab lunch. i'll be back well before meeting time | 16:37 |
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| anteaya | fungi: k | 16:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Harney proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Increase CEPH_LOOPBACK_DISK_SIZE for ceph https://review.openstack.org/128356 | 16:45 |
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| clarkb | I can't see anything unhappy on -worker20 with the new log worker code | 16:49 |
| clarkb | going to approve that change now | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jaime Flynn proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Added flexible publish support https://review.openstack.org/127300 | 16:54 |
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| jedimike | i want to propose a feature for zuul, can someone remind me of the process for doing that? | 16:57 |
| clarkb | jedimike: openstack-infra/infra-specs is where we propose large features | 16:57 |
| jedimike | clarkb, thanks :) | 16:58 |
| clarkb | there hsould be examples and a template in that repo too | 16:58 |
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| jedimike | awesome, it's not a huge feature, but it's big enough not to just put up a branch for review :) | 16:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove query for bug 1317298 https://review.openstack.org/128107 | 16:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317298 in cinder "timeout in wait_for_resource_deletion in tempest teardown (dup-of: 1373513)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317298 | 16:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1373513 in cinder "Lvm hang during tempest tests" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373513 | 16:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Handle log processing subprocess cleanup better https://review.openstack.org/118924 | 16:59 |
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| yolanda__ | hi , i filed a change some days ago to allow env vars to be passed to dib image in nodepool. It's useful for us to pass DIB_* settings that are depending on the type of image to be built | 17:02 |
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| yolanda__ | and i'll also file a change to pin glanceclient version for nodepool, looks as oldest ones are not working behind proxy | 17:02 |
| anteaya | yolanda__: hi | 17:03 |
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| anteaya | if there is a question in there, so far I haven't found it | 17:03 |
| yolanda__ | no, just wanted to have some reviews :) | 17:03 |
| anteaya | ah, perhaps a url? | 17:03 |
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| yolanda__ | https://review.openstack.org/127476 | 17:04 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 17:04 |
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| yolanda__ | anteaya, you were too fast, i was in the process of opening review.openstack.org :) | 17:04 |
| anteaya | ah | 17:05 |
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| anteaya | I should have stayed quiet and kept eating my soup | 17:05 |
| anteaya | I will go back out on the deck and eat my soup | 17:05 |
| anteaya | I can't get over what a *beautiful* day it is outside today!! | 17:06 |
| yolanda__ | anteaya, i'm glad you take a look at it | 17:06 |
| anteaya | yolanda__: I'll put it on my post soup list | 17:06 |
| anteaya | :D | 17:06 |
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| jedimike | anteaya, it's torrential rain here, enjoy your lovely weather :) | 17:06 |
| pleia2 | I'd appreciate some thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128264/ they want to publish their specs to read the docs, but I couldn't find precendet for that, is it ok? | 17:06 |
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| clarkb | yolanda__: I don't see the change to update glanceclient dep | 17:07 |
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| yolanda__ | clarkb , no , i still haven't filed that, i'm testing in our instances first | 17:07 |
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| yolanda__ | but the env vars for dib is pending, we are actively using it and is useful for us https://review.openstack.org/127476 | 17:08 |
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| clarkb | pleia2: I don't think that is a problem. Stackforge projects can publish wherever they want and rtfd is really low impact | 17:08 |
| yolanda__ | clarkb, saw your review, thx | 17:08 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: thank you | 17:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | yolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Pinning version of python-glanceclient to use requests https://review.openstack.org/128368 | 17:14 |
| yolanda__ | here it goes | 17:14 |
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| ociuhandu | anteaya: can i ping you for the cloudbase-init CI account? :) | 17:24 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: thx | 17:24 |
| primeministerp | anteaya: can I also ping you for a rename of the Windows ISCSI Cinder Account renaming | 17:25 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp anteaya: my next question was for the microsoft cinder CI :) | 17:25 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: :) | 17:25 |
| clarkb | anteaya: that reminds me. we were going to put together a list of requsets today and do them | 17:26 |
| clarkb | anteaya: want to start that after the meeting? | 17:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Publish devstack documents https://review.openstack.org/126716 | 17:31 |
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| nibalizer | clarkb: --agent_disabled_lockfile | 17:35 |
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| nibalizer | anteaya: looking | 17:35 |
| zaro | morning | 17:37 |
| adam_g | jroll, one nit @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128306/ but im okay with it otherwise | 17:38 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Grant core/milestone to rebase changes in sahara https://review.openstack.org/127368 | 17:38 |
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| clarkb | mordred: I have to point out that GBP is really similar to GPB -> jeepyb | 17:40 |
| clarkb | mordred: jeebyp | 17:40 |
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| zaro | waynr: yeah, i think jjb default feature could use more documentation examples. you can add defaults to the yaml templated to override the global defaults. | 17:43 |
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| zaro | waynr: this commit message might give a better example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100020/ | 17:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Grant core/milestone to rebase changes in extra sahara projects https://review.openstack.org/127369 | 17:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename config => system-config https://review.openstack.org/126075 | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: yes after the meetings would be my preference | 18:03 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu primeministerp hello, I really need to get some patches in shape for the infra meeting and would appreciate holding off on third party ci questions until after I have had a chance to review current status from going through the third party email archives | 18:04 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu primeministerp which I have scheduled for after the meetings | 18:04 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: thank you | 18:04 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: what's gbp? | 18:05 |
| clarkb | jeblair: group based policy. Something related to neutron iirc | 18:05 |
| clarkb | or is it nova? | 18:05 |
| jeblair | ah, hehe | 18:05 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: sure, thanks :) | 18:05 |
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| mordred | clarkb: what's GBP? | 18:10 |
| mordred | oh | 18:10 |
| mordred | heh | 18:10 |
| mordred | yes. | 18:10 |
| * mordred reads all of scrollback before responding next time | 18:10 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: add a JJB command reference https://review.openstack.org/128106 | 18:14 |
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| AJaeger_ | Hi, anybody here to review a docutils pin removal from infra-manuals? https://review.openstack.org/117173 - this is one of the last 3 places in OpenStack... | 18:16 |
| mordred | clarkb: you'll enjoy bug 1330290 | 18:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1330290 in diskimage-builder "Building ubuntu images on debian host fails because of tmpdir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1330290 | 18:16 |
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| mordred | AJaeger_: +3 | 18:17 |
| clarkb | mordred: is that going to break our use of adifferent tmpdir? | 18:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: add documentation for the delete command https://review.openstack.org/128105 | 18:17 |
| mordred | clarkb: doubt it - we're not running on debian | 18:17 |
| mordred | clarkb: but GheRivero is working on it | 18:17 |
| mordred | GheRivero: don't break our use of different tempdir when fixing the above bug :) | 18:17 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/infra-manual: Remove docutils pin https://review.openstack.org/117173 | 18:17 |
| clarkb | mordred: but its a similar issue | 18:17 |
| AJaeger_ | thanks, mordred | 18:17 |
| clarkb | we will set TMPDIR=/opt/nodepool_dib/tmp | 18:17 |
| clarkb | then that will leak into the build | 18:18 |
| clarkb | dir won't exist and it will break | 18:18 |
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| mordred | clarkb: oh - yeah. I follow your words now | 18:19 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger_: just give me some time to look through the results of the tests and learn from them | 18:22 |
| clarkb | fungi: jeblair so ^ is likely to break our plan | 18:22 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: I haven't had a chance to get my head in the right space all last week due to the eleciton and I just need a bit of space to think | 18:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Use 1024 MB RAM for Ironic agent VMs https://review.openstack.org/128306 | 18:23 |
| jroll | adam_g: fixed ^ | 18:23 |
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| AJaeger_ | anteaya: sure - and if you have questions, just ask... | 18:25 |
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| fungi | back | 18:27 |
| fungi | (and reading quickly) | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger_: thanks | 18:30 |
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| fungi | clarkb: i think it won't break our plan as long as GheRivero fixes it | 18:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Remove docutils pin https://review.openstack.org/128394 | 18:31 |
| fungi | and in the meantime we should probably implement as if we expect it is fixed, and provide encouragement/assistance as warranted | 18:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/zuul: Remove docutils pin https://review.openstack.org/128395 | 18:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Remove docutils pin https://review.openstack.org/128394 | 18:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Rename config => system-config https://review.openstack.org/126075 | 18:48 |
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| AJaeger_ | anteaya: you need to rebase some of the config => system-config renames... | 18:54 |
| AJaeger_ | anteaya: just use the GUI "Rebase" button | 18:54 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:54 |
| anteaya | I'm waiting for jenkins to finish | 18:54 |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: docutils patches are fun "wait, didn't I just review this? oh, different project ;)" | 18:55 |
| anteaya | it is waiting for a precise node | 18:55 |
| anteaya | pleia2: woooo | 18:55 |
| anteaya | so many times I have several patches open and catch myself losing track | 18:55 |
| anteaya | like I close the diff and see the patch is merged | 18:55 |
| AJaeger_ | pleia2: we're nearly done with docutils ;) | 18:55 |
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| pleia2 | hehe | 18:56 |
| anteaya | but I was using it for reference | 18:56 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger_: thank goodness | 18:56 |
| fungi | anteaya: also pleia2 has some good suggestions on 126063 | 18:56 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks, will read | 18:56 |
| fungi | the rest lgtm, rebase needs aside | 18:56 |
| AJaeger_ | pleia2: see https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I9107884d964757a9154bdd1feb4ea6df4e9df43e,n,z ;) | 18:56 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger_: haha, wow! that's more than I'd seen since my focus is on -infra | 18:56 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 18:57 |
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| pleia2 | morning jhesketh | 18:58 |
| anteaya | pleia2: thanks, once the tests pass and I rebase I will address your points, thank you, many things I missed | 18:58 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: morning | 18:58 |
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| AJaeger_ | pleia2: cross-openstack cleanups are no fun ;( | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: thanks, most were ones we missed the first time around, so it's not a surprise | 18:59 |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger_: yeah, what a mess :\ | 18:59 |
| jeblair | pleia2: thanks for saying "we" there ;) | 18:59 |
| fungi | meeting time! | 19:00 |
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| fungi | jeblair: did you want to chair, or still catching up? | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i'll give it a shot? | 19:01 |
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| fungi | go for it | 19:01 |
| jeblair | i like your style | 19:02 |
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| waynr | zaro: i was thinking something more like hierarchy of defaults where each subsequent "defaults" can add additional behavior such as adding hipchat notification where the "parent" template had no such thing to begin with | 19:08 |
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| waynr | s/template/"defaults"/ | 19:09 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: plz. dont forget to bring up the mod_security question on infra-meeting | 19:16 |
| fungi | mrmartin: oh, we didn't have it on the agenda but i'll add it and hope we get time | 19:16 |
| fungi | mrmartin: thanks for the reminder | 19:17 |
| waynr | zaro: something like this https://github.com/waynr/jenkins-job-builder/commit/21804a3bc352f5d76e34ddb096f58e8c06c8f7b1 | 19:18 |
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| waynr | so allow each subsequently specified "defaults" to override the previous one for a given job or template or wherever defaults apply | 19:19 |
| waynr | but now that i've thought about it a little more, it might be more intuitive to allow a "defaults" to inherit defaults from other "defaults" | 19:20 |
| waynr | or maybe i'm just making it more complicated than it needs to be | 19:20 |
| zaro | waynr: don't bother with github. just propose on gerrit so we can discuss there. | 19:21 |
| waynr | okay, will do | 19:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: (REVIEW) For review only. https://review.openstack.org/128417 | 19:22 |
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| waynr | i'll fix the commit message in subsequent updates to the patch | 19:23 |
| zaro | waynr: we usually use WIP (work in progress) to identify these things. it's a vote that you can set. | 19:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: (WIP) Accept list of "defaults". https://review.openstack.org/128417 | 19:42 |
| waynr | zaro: okay, I added an example to the commit message to make the intention of the proposed change a little more clear | 19:43 |
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| annegent_ | I feel like I'm always asking this... how can I git reset --hard HEAD on just one folder? | 20:10 |
| clarkb | annegent_: git checkout -- some/path/here should do it | 20:10 |
| harlowja | qq, whats the plan for turning on the py34 environments if a project wants to? | 20:11 |
| * harlowja might as well for taskflow i think | 20:11 | |
| clarkb | harlowja: when we get a working py34 on trusty we will switch all py33 to py34 | 20:11 |
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| clarkb | if you want to jump the gun you can go ahead and add the test | 20:11 |
| annegent_ | clarkb: so if those come back as "is unmerged" due to a rebase, but really with the rebase I just want to take HEAD for all those files, what's the right method? | 20:11 |
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| clarkb | annegent_: I think you can git checkout HEAD -- some/path/here | 20:12 |
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| annegent_ | clarkb: there it is! Thank you. | 20:12 |
| harlowja | clarkb hmmm, ok, i can wait :) | 20:14 |
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| anteaya | fungi: I like how egregious just rolls off your fingertips like that | 20:20 |
| anteaya | clarkb: okay I have got to go for a walk and clear my head | 20:21 |
| AJaeger_ | the devstack patches have merged, I removed my WIP from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126716/ (publishing of devstack docs) | 20:21 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: when I come back I will assemble an etherpad of third party ci business that we can address | 20:21 |
| clarkb | anteaya: ++ I need lunch | 20:22 |
| clarkb | so will be afk for a short time myself | 20:22 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: +2 | 20:22 |
| anteaya | clarkb: sounds good | 20:22 |
| AJaeger_ | It would also be nice if I don't need to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126499/ another time - it's a template job for layout.yaml. Please review! | 20:23 |
| AJaeger_ | thanks, anteaya - and enjoy your walk! | 20:23 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: thanks | 20:23 |
| * AJaeger_ signs off now... Bye! | 20:26 | |
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| fungi | lifeless: StevenK: do either of you happen to know (not looking for specifics) whether login.launchpad.net has/had any manner of intrusion detection or intrusion prevention systems fronting it? | 20:36 |
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| lifeless | fungi: I knew. I don't know now. | 20:44 |
| fungi | lifeless: heh... fair enough | 20:44 |
| lifeless | Its been two years, and thats a CD deployed app from what was a team of 5 or so, so could be significant changes. | 20:45 |
| fungi | i did a bit of searching, at least, and if they are or ever were doing that they weren't up front about it anyway | 20:45 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: ok I am mostly back, ready whenever you are (no rush) | 20:53 |
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| clarkb | yup just reconfirmed current build of centos7 image with dib is happy on trusty | 21:01 |
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| pleia2 | I forget, does editing a commit message in the gerrit interface reset votes? | 21:03 |
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| fungi | pleia2: yes | 21:04 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll just leave a note then :) thanks | 21:04 |
| fungi | pleia2: it's configurable, but that's the configuration we've implemented. rationale being someone may want to -1 based on an issue with the commit message | 21:05 |
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| * pleia2 nods | 21:05 | |
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| pleia2 | oh right, lunch! bbiab | 21:13 |
| clarkb | pleia2: food is important | 21:14 |
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| clarkb | I had sardines on hard tack with lime | 21:15 |
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| fungi | that sounds marvellous | 21:17 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes, I missed it. My parents brought proper hard tack from japan with them when they visited | 21:18 |
| jogo | pleia2: speaking of food, there was something you wanted to do f2f this week? | 21:18 |
| cyeoh | so the API WG would like to start up a git/gerrit repository to start work on API guidelines. Anyone know how I go about setting that up? | 21:18 |
| clarkb | cyeoh: yup we have a doc. one sec | 21:18 |
| clarkb | cyeoh: http://ci.openstack.org/stackforge.html#add-a-project-to-stackforge s/stackforge/openstack/as appropriate | 21:19 |
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| cyeoh | clarkb: thanks! | 21:19 |
| clarkb | no problem. let us know if ou have questions | 21:19 |
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| hashar | zaro: hi there :-] | 21:20 |
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| fungi | clarkb: mmm kanpan! | 21:20 |
| zaro | hashar: hi | 21:20 |
| hashar | zaro: I though Jenkins core could be adjusted to always use ItemListener instead of the poor SaveableListener. I commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125755/ :d | 21:20 |
| clarkb | fungi: I have also discovered I can order it from guam at $189 a case | 21:20 |
| hashar | zaro: though I have close to no idea what those interfaces are actually doing :] | 21:21 |
| fungi | clarkb: i think they just strap the biscuits together and float them across the pacific. no boat needed | 21:21 |
| zaro | hashar: thanks. i created a bunch of bugs regarding core's events when i initially created the gearman-plugin. that's probably why some of the events got fixed. | 21:22 |
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| zaro | hashar: it definately takes a while. | 21:22 |
| hashar | zaro: I wish I could help but my java skill is exactly None | 21:23 |
| hashar | zaro: well maybe epsilon but you get the idea :] | 21:23 |
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| zaro | hashar: i was thinking about hacking on jenkins myself, but decided against it since we are moving away. | 21:24 |
| hashar | do you mean OpenStack i moving away from Jenkins?:D | 21:24 |
| zaro | hashar: did you get my msg about the changes for default feature? | 21:25 |
| ryanpetrello | so I'm planning to do a pecan release soonish | 21:25 |
| ryanpetrello | I don't expect any breakage | 21:25 |
| ryanpetrello | but release and cycle-wise, is now a bad time? | 21:25 |
| hashar | zaro: yeah should have talked about those jjb changes first sorry. That is a whole mess and have to figure out which patches are still needed and those that got merged in | 21:25 |
| jogo | whyisn't usedevelop in tox on by default? | 21:25 |
| zaro | hashar: ohh yeah, that's the plan. | 21:25 |
| jogo | mordred: ^ | 21:25 |
| clarkb | ryanpetrello: its definitely a good question for ttx | 21:25 |
| clarkb | jogo: because its actually not necessarily a good thing in all cases | 21:26 |
| hashar | zaro: some patch was just just to highlight a regression, another one was a WIP to find a workaround. I definitely need to abandon a few | 21:26 |
| clarkb | jogo: for example turning it off by default means you don't test your ability to make an sdist | 21:26 |
| fungi | ryanpetrello: thursday is when juno will be released, if that matters in your figuring | 21:26 |
| clarkb | jogo: we have chosen to trade that extra layer of testing for speed but that was a conscious decision | 21:26 |
| zaro | hashar: ok, waynr asked about defaults that's why those surfaced. | 21:26 |
| ttx | Ryan_Lane: if soonish could be Friday, that would be awesome :) | 21:27 |
| chmouel | dims: i fixed properly the login issues we had earlier https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128448/ | 21:27 |
| ttx | ryanpetrello: ^ | 21:27 |
| fungi | jogo: clarkb: also didn't usedevelop interact negatively with oslo namespace packages? | 21:27 |
| ttx | wrong ryan | 21:27 |
| ryanpetrello | heh | 21:27 |
| ryanpetrello | Friday works fine for me | 21:27 |
| jogo | fungi: use develop means do python setup.py install develop | 21:27 |
| jogo | not the use site packages stuff | 21:27 |
| ryanpetrello | I'll plan on that | 21:27 |
| hashar | zaro: it is too late to clean them up tonight, but will definitely allocate half a day this way to process my jjb reviewing queue :] | 21:27 |
| zaro | hashar: waynr has a neat idea. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128417/ | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | fungi: yes, that's right | 21:27 |
| fungi | jogo: right, i.e. pip install -e | 21:27 |
| zaro | hashar: no problem. | 21:28 |
| ryanpetrello | ttx: again, I don't expect any breakage, because I'm gating on projects that use pecan, but I just didn't want to exacerbate any busyness you all may have this week | 21:28 |
| jogo | clarkb: that makes sense, so usedevelop means sdists aren't built by default? | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | jogo: there's a separate flag to turn of sdist building | 21:29 |
| zaro | hashar: you might have an interest in re-reviewing this one. i think it might affect you. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56734/ | 21:29 |
| hashar | zaro: ah a list of default might be a good thing to have :-) | 21:29 |
| hashar | zaro: I was hacking something this afternoon to have job-templates supports default values for format() {variables} | 21:30 |
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| clarkb | jogo: correct when you setup.py develop there is no sdist | 21:30 |
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| hashar | zaro: 56734 (error on duplicate jjb jobs), I have commented about. I am abusing that feature myself. | 21:31 |
| jogo | dhellmann: can we leave sdist building on and use develop at the same time? | 21:31 |
| jogo | dhellmann: skipsdist? | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | jogo: skipdist is the flag | 21:31 |
| hashar | zaro: I generate generic jobs for half a thousand of repositories that are similar, then have some jobs overridden by more specific templates :/ | 21:31 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: jogo one implies the other but not the other wy around | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | jogo: I'm not sure why you'd want to build the sdist and the install in develop mode, but I think that does work | 21:32 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: no I don't think it does | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: oh? | 21:32 |
| clarkb | I would have to reread mordreds patch but I believe usedevelop implies skipsdist | 21:32 |
| ttx | ryanpetrello: yeah, it's mostly a risk management thing, so if it can afford to wait, I'd rather avoid upgrading a major dep one day before release, even if risk is theoretically controlled :) | 21:32 |
| clarkb | regardless of what your tox.ini says | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | we have skipdist turned off explicitly. I would expect skipdist being off to break installation, but not the other way around | 21:32 |
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| dhellmann | ah | 21:33 |
| ryanpetrello | ttx: works for me, I'll hold off until Fri | 21:33 |
| ttx | ryanpetrello: awesome thx | 21:33 |
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| zaro | hashar: sounds like that change can help you? | 21:33 |
| dims | chmouel: nice! | 21:33 |
| zaro | hashar: for 56734, i remember you wanted default to allow dups? | 21:33 |
| dims | chmouel: +1 | 21:33 |
| hashar | zaro: yeah indeed. Darragh added an allow_duplicates option just for me :] | 21:34 |
| zaro | hashar: cool. i would like it to go in. would you be interested in re-reviewing? | 21:35 |
| hashar | zaro: doing so | 21:35 |
| zaro | woot! | 21:35 |
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| mordred | dhellmann, clarkb it changes the default for skipsdist | 21:36 |
| cyeoh | clarkb: is there also a document on how to get a git.openstack.org git repository created? Or are we always meant to start with stackforge/github | 21:36 |
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| zaro | anybody know why Jenkins test results appear 3 times on this change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56734/ | 21:37 |
| mordred | cyeoh: you don't need a github at all ... do you need a stackforge or an openstack repo? | 21:37 |
| cyeoh | an openstack one - this is for the API WG | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | mordred: that's too clever | 21:38 |
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| clarkb | http://logs.openstack.org/68/124768/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-f20/2923c85/console.html.gz#_2014-09-30_07_03_11_079 is a ridiculously awesome fail | 21:38 |
| clarkb | not sure why devstack does anything like htat | 21:39 |
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| clarkb | cyeoh: if you want just an empty repo with a .gitreview you don't specify an upstream to start with | 21:39 |
| hashar | zaro: the string formatting in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56734/12/jenkins_jobs/builder.py is wrong somehow | 21:39 |
| cyeoh | clarkb: ah, ok thanks! | 21:40 |
| hashar | zaro: only the first string is passed :D | 21:40 |
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| chmouel | dims: cool and feel free to join #dox for dox related stuff | 21:41 |
| hashar | zaro: forget me | 21:42 |
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| adam_g | clarkb, got a sec for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128451/ ? i didnt realize *-nv jobs would ever vote (https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul/layout.yaml#n502), but i guess https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127319/ overrode that? | 21:46 |
| adam_g | devananda, ^ | 21:46 |
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| clarkb | adam_g: thats the point :) | 21:47 |
| clarkb | -nv means no voting | 21:47 |
| clarkb | so not sure how it would have voted | 21:47 |
| * devananda looks | 21:47 | |
| adam_g | clarkb, is the rule @ ln 505 overridden if theres a match later? | 21:47 |
| adam_g | clarkb, it ends up voting now, ie https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128378/ | 21:48 |
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| clarkb | adam_g: it does a merge so only if theer is a voting: true somewhere | 21:48 |
| clarkb | adam_g: do you have an example of a -nv job voting? | 21:48 |
| devananda | clarkb: which is a backport to proposed/juno of an rc bug | 21:48 |
| devananda | clarkb: yes, on taht review | 21:48 |
| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128378/ | 21:48 |
| clarkb | devananda: that review? | 21:49 |
| adam_g | check-grenade-dsvm-ironic-sideways-nvFAILURE in 23m 56s | 21:49 |
| clarkb | oh cool | 21:49 |
| clarkb | so then ya we have a job rule that is overriding | 21:49 |
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| adam_g | hmm. that job has never been voting anywhere | 21:49 |
| clarkb | ah yup that comment explains it (sorry was looking at 505 on the wrong version of the file) | 21:50 |
| clarkb | adam_g: devananda: the general idea is why would we run a non working job on a stable branch | 21:50 |
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| devananda | heh | 21:50 |
| jeblair | always pushing the envelope, eh? | 21:50 |
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| clarkb | so I guess the question is will that job be made to wrk on juno? | 21:51 |
| devananda | adam_g: I suppose I could ask ... that ^ :) | 21:51 |
| adam_g | clarkb, the fact that these jobs dont vote anywhere means other projects merge stuff that breaks it | 21:51 |
| adam_g | *anywhere outside of ironic | 21:51 |
| devananda | that job could never have voted on nova, fwiw, since Ironic wasn't allowed to vote there during Juno, and the code it's testing was removed from Nova as soon as Kilo opened | 21:52 |
| clarkb | devananda: why wasn't it allowed to vote during juno... that was the whole point | 21:53 |
| devananda | the only place it could vote is (proposed|stable)/juno | 21:53 |
| jeblair | wait | 21:53 |
| adam_g | the sideways job can only run against proposed currently | 21:53 |
| devananda | clarkb: conflicting policies. Ironic was not allowed to vote on Nova during Juno because it was incubated | 21:53 |
| jeblair | we removed the upgrade path _before_ releasing it in an integrated release? | 21:53 |
| clarkb | devananda: no no at the nova thing we said it could | 21:53 |
| devananda | we're still not voting on Nova beacuse Juno hasn't actually been released yet | 21:53 |
| devananda | jeblair: yes | 21:53 |
| adam_g | theres a grenade bug pending a patch that will get it passing again against proposed | 21:53 |
| clarkb | devananda: this was part of making that all happy | 21:53 |
| jeblair | we are insane | 21:53 |
| devananda | jeblair: yes | 21:53 |
| clarkb | devananda: jeblair no | 21:53 |
| clarkb | this was cleared up in july | 21:54 |
| clarkb | I thought we specifically said you could do this for the express purpose of killing baremetal in nova after juno | 21:54 |
| devananda | clarkb: s/could/must/ IFF this == "create a test for the stable branch" | 21:54 |
| clarkb | devananda: no | 21:55 |
| clarkb | it was not create a test for stable branch | 21:55 |
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| clarkb | it was create a test for juno | 21:55 |
| devananda | at least that's how it has since been recalled by the various people working on it | 21:55 |
| devananda | we were never allowed to vote during juno | 21:55 |
| jeblair | as soon as we decided this was the upgrade path, we should have made the test voting | 21:55 |
| clarkb | which is master -> proposed/juno -> stable/juno | 21:55 |
| devananda | on anyt of the integrated projects | 21:55 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yes absolutely and that was what I thought we said in july | 21:55 |
| devananda | I mean, I don't disagree that that would have been less insane | 21:55 |
| devananda | but we're here now | 21:55 |
| devananda | fwiw, ironic is still not voting, even on kilo/master of Nova | 21:56 |
| devananda | pending a request from mikal to wait until after juno is released | 21:56 |
| hashar | zaro: jjb https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56734/ approved :-] works all fine for me | 21:56 |
| clarkb | devananda: thats a seprate issue | 21:56 |
| clarkb | devananda: there are two things here. One is gating nova against ironic | 21:56 |
| clarkb | devananda: the other is gating nova against its migration path from baremetal to ironic | 21:57 |
| jeblair | i don't think we should release a juno without the upgrade path we approved working | 21:57 |
| clarkb | the second thing is 100% kosher to just make voting at any point in the juno cycle aiui | 21:57 |
| devananda | clarkb: not really. how could we gate nova against an upgrade from ironic w/o also ensuring that changes in nova don't break ironic? | 21:57 |
| clarkb | devananda: via that test... | 21:57 |
| devananda | clarkb: "test the upgrade path" is a superset of "test ironic" | 21:57 |
| adam_g | withhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391/ merged the sideways job should be functional again against stable | 21:57 |
| adam_g | s/stable/proposed | 21:57 |
| zaro | hashar: awsome, thanks hashar! | 21:57 |
| clarkb | adam_g: jenkins says teh sideways job failed there | 21:58 |
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| JayF | adam_g: why if it's not passing on that patch? | 21:58 |
| adam_g | clarkb, because its running against master | 21:58 |
| clarkb | (and this is why I don't think the proposed changes to the gate are so simple...) | 21:58 |
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| clarkb | adam_g: oh. is grenade a single branch entity too or does that grenade change need to be backported to grenade proposed/juno? | 21:59 |
| adam_g | clarkb, there are stable branches of grenade but ATM not a proposed/juno | 21:59 |
| fungi | grenade has teh branchez | 21:59 |
| jeblair | clarkb: it has branches but no proposed/juno branch | 21:59 |
| hashar | zaro: and to drop out Jenkins entirely, it would be rather nice to have a lightweight client to Zuul gearman to easily register shell scripts in Zuul gearman server :] | 21:59 |
| hashar | zaro: but that is yet another topic and it is getting late :D | 21:59 |
| jeblair | hashar: we expect turbo-hipster to be able to do that | 21:59 |
| adam_g | AFAICS it should handle proposed/juno branches the same as master | 21:59 |
| adam_g | and it derives the target branches form dsg | 22:00 |
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| jeblair | so the change should apply to the current situation | 22:00 |
| adam_g | the patch to proposed/juno (which the sideways job is voting) @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128378/ | 22:01 |
| adam_g | would be addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391 | 22:01 |
| jeblair | devananda: is there a nova or ironic bug related to the upgrade, or is this solely a grenade issue? | 22:01 |
| devananda | jeblair: at this point, i'm unclear on which "this" you mean | 22:02 |
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| adam_g | jeblair, its a grenade issue | 22:02 |
| jeblair | devananda: the failure of the bm->ironic sideways test | 22:02 |
| adam_g | specifically around javelin | 22:02 |
| adam_g | introduced by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120295/ | 22:02 |
| hashar | jeblair: yeah I have to look at turbo hipster again. That is the soft that tricked me in writing zuul-cloner :] | 22:03 |
| jeblair | hashar: i don't think it does it yet | 22:03 |
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| clarkb | shouldn't grenade have a proposed/juno branch | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | jogo: approved it even with a failing job :( | 22:04 |
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| adam_g | clarkb, it handles proposed the same as it would master | 22:04 |
| adam_g | er | 22:05 |
| adam_g | same as it would stable | 22:05 |
| clarkb | adam_g: except that it is testing icehouse to master there and not exceuting your test properly | 22:05 |
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| clarkb | adam_g: I want the non voting sideways job to pass ideally if that is the thing we are fixing | 22:05 |
| clarkb | but I am not grenade core so I should be quiet :) | 22:05 |
| jogo | jeblair: I didn't realize that job ever worked | 22:06 |
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| adam_g | by the time 120295 was merged, we were still broken on nova-bm being rm'd from nova | 22:07 |
| adam_g | so the job was broken at that point | 22:07 |
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| adam_g | clarkb, it should be passing, it was for 2-3 weeks prior to that ^ | 22:07 |
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| adam_g | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391/ was just +A'd for grenade | 22:07 |
| jeblair | somebody dropped the ball by not making that voting at that point | 22:07 |
| devananda | adam_g: can the ironic-sideways job pass on anything but proposed|stable/juno at this point, since there is no longer a nova-bm in master? | 22:07 |
| adam_g | devananda, no, which is why this was added https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127319/ but it looks like that unexpectedly made it voting | 22:08 |
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| clarkb | adam_g: no that shouldn't have made it voting. what made it voting is that our current ruleset forces all non master jobs to be voting | 22:09 |
| clarkb | because non voting jobs on stable branches is something we explicitly discourage | 22:09 |
| adam_g | clarkb, ah, i see | 22:09 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I am lookingat requests | 22:09 |
| clarkb | anteaya: some look like they need more info, did you want ot respond and ask for that? | 22:10 |
| devananda | jeblair: that's probably my fault for not thinking through the "dont change voting during RC period" request w.r.t. stable branches and the migration test | 22:10 |
| adam_g | clarkb, the failing ironic test is excercising the sideways upgrade within juno, http://logs.openstack.org/78/128378/1/check/check-grenade-dsvm-ironic-sideways-nv/171cc3a/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2014-10-14_18_19_18_487 | 22:10 |
| devananda | I shamelessly +1'd the delete-nova-bm patch and celebrated it | 22:10 |
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| clarkb | adam_g: ya on the ironic side it should be running against juno. But a master grenade change will check icehouse to master | 22:11 |
| devananda | adam_g: clarkb: that job should not run against master at this point | 22:12 |
| jeblair | so, to get out of this: we need to make grenade work, make a juno branch of grenade, make the sideways job only run on stable|proposed/juno branches, and make it voting | 22:12 |
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| devananda | jeblair: sounds about right | 22:12 |
| adam_g | jeblair, 2/4 of that is (almost) done, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391/ should fix grenade and its already only running on */juno | 22:12 |
| clarkb | and its already voting | 22:13 |
| adam_g | oh, right :) | 22:13 |
| clarkb | anteaya: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mid-october-3rd-party-accounts Iam starting to put info together there | 22:14 |
| jeblair | dtroyer: what do you think about cutting a juno branch of grenade after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127391/ lands? | 22:14 |
| jeblair | as long as we don't have one, we risk breaking the sideways job | 22:15 |
| * dtroyer thinking if we need to do a */juno devstack to go with that… | 22:15 | |
| jeblair | dtroyer: probably? for the same reason, at least? | 22:17 |
| dtroyer | I don't see anything in devstack's queue that I think we need before we cut a stable branch…backporting is easy enough in needed | 22:17 |
| dtroyer | oh, right there on top? damn, I hate multi-line config lines | 22:18 |
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| dtroyer | I think I'm ok with cutting stable/juno for both. the real work comes in changing the jobs anyway | 22:21 |
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| nibalizer | clarkb: others ^^ check this out http://telescope.cat.pdx.edu:8910/search/livegrep | 22:30 |
| nibalizer | live grep is so cool | 22:30 |
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| clarkb | I am happy with the results returned by searching 'foobar' | 22:31 |
| adam_g | dtroyer, we probably want this to be merged before cutting the new branch | 22:32 |
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| nibalizer | clarkb: 13 results for 'derp' | 22:32 |
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| fungi | anybody know who we should be reaching out to about those requested stackforge renames (for a couple salt formula projects)? wondering if we want to roll them into the system-config rename window... SergeyLukjanov: you seem to have authored one of those changes yourself... any idea? | 22:34 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I think the person that requested the rename via gerrit is the invidiaul | 22:35 |
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| fungi | clarkb: well, requested one of the renames anyway. SergeyLukjanov wrote the other change | 22:35 |
| fungi | clarkb: just trying to figure out of jerry zhang is in here at all under some nick i don't know | 22:36 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think jerry pops in during hours I should be sleeping but am working | 22:36 |
| clarkb | occasionally | 22:36 |
| fungi | er, jeffrey zhang | 22:36 |
| fungi | who may not be jerryz... i don't really know | 22:37 |
| jeblair | bug 1373673 is relevant | 22:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1373673 in openstack-ci "Gerrit group account for *-formula " [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373673 | 22:37 |
| fungi | aha | 22:37 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair | 22:37 |
| jeblair | points to him as the requestor for keystone/glance formula | 22:38 |
| clarkb | jeffrey4l according to irc logs | 22:38 |
| fungi | jeffrey4l on lp but no irc nick listed in his profile | 22:38 |
| fungi | ahh, yep | 22:38 |
| adam_g | clarkb, im a bit puzzled about what grenade code is actually running here http://logs.openstack.org/78/128378/1/check/check-grenade-dsvm-ironic-sideways-nv/171cc3a/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2014-10-14_18_13_25_452 vs https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/grenade/tree/functions#n638 | 22:38 |
| clarkb | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2014-09-25.log around 0306 | 22:38 |
| clarkb | adam_g: I know very little of grenade. jogo dtroyer ^ | 22:39 |
| adam_g | actually nvm, thats running a devstack funciton of the same name (perhaps unintentionally) | 22:39 |
| dtroyer | the devstack and grenade function-common are supposed to be sync'ed (and haven't been in a while) so functions with the same name are supposed to be the same for grenade and 'new' devstack | 22:40 |
| adam_g | dtroyer, its actually defined in grenade's functions and devstack's functions-common | 22:42 |
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| adam_g | dtroyer, which direction does the sync happen? | 22:43 |
| dtroyer | are they the same? I always sync'ed from devstack to grenade | 22:43 |
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| adam_g | dtroyer, they've diverged quite a bit, it looks like (dstack functions-common vs functions) | 22:44 |
| fungi | harlowja: seems tox -e py34 is still not working for openstack/taskflow even though i thought it was and had crossed it off my list. do you happen to know what's missing, before i spend time looking into it again? (MultilockTest.test_release_failure seems to be throwing an AttributeError inside mock) | 22:45 |
| harlowja | fungi i can check | 22:45 |
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| harlowja | lets see | 22:45 |
| dtroyer | adam_g: I'll take a closer look tomorrow, if the stable branches have been cut by then we'll backport it | 22:45 |
| fungi | harlowja: thanks! | 22:45 |
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| adam_g | dtroyer, i can try to resolve the diffs for what is shared between the two, then we can do a ds -> grenade sync to pull over the rest of whats been added if required? | 22:46 |
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| dtroyer | that's the usual process. figuring out which differences to keep is the fun part ;) | 22:47 |
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| mordred | maybe we should use that shell packaging thing | 22:57 |
| mordred | and split that stuff into a shell library | 22:58 |
| mordred | :) | 22:58 |
| ianw | clarkb / mordred / fungi : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128472/ (Update EPEL7 version) <- hopefully a quick uncontroversial one, just doing bringup testing on hp cloud images | 22:58 |
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| ianw | what happened to the irc gerrit robot thingo? | 22:58 |
| mordred | it hates bunny rabbits | 22:58 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks back now joining you on the etherpad | 22:59 |
| harlowja | fungi i assume 'AttributeError: 'method-wrapper' object has no attribute '__module__'' was what u were seeing? | 22:59 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu: you here? | 22:59 |
| mordred | nibalizer: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96877/ <-- you know, we should finish that work | 23:00 |
| fungi | harlowja: that's the one | 23:00 |
| mordred | nibalizer: if you like livegrep | 23:00 |
| fungi | ianw: seems it got lost when it went out for lunch. i'll bring it back | 23:00 |
| anteaya | clarkb: so you want to do this in channel or on the etherpad? | 23:01 |
| harlowja | fungi alright, fixed up @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128474/ | 23:01 |
| anteaya | clarkb: so basically we ask people to give us their company name and the name of their driver | 23:02 |
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| fungi | harlowja: thanks! i'll add that one to my tracking pad | 23:02 |
| harlowja | cool | 23:02 |
| harlowja | damn mock | 23:02 |
| fungi | ianw: openstackgerrit has returned | 23:02 |
| anteaya | clarkb: then we do companyname drivername ci | 23:02 |
| harlowja | fungi https://code.google.com/p/mock/issues/detail?id=234 seems to be the root issue someone reported | 23:02 |
| anteaya | clarkb: but many of these have given us the name of the project they are testing | 23:02 |
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| harlowja | ^ or is at least similar issue reported to mock | 23:02 |
| anteaya | clarkb: which is not what we asked for | 23:02 |
| anteaya | clarkb: for instance cloudbase-init is the name of a project | 23:03 |
| anteaya | clarkb: as is poppy | 23:03 |
| anteaya | we need the name of the driver | 23:03 |
| fungi | harlowja: that's a fun one! | 23:03 |
| anteaya | rackspace at least gave us the company name | 23:03 |
| anteaya | so that helps | 23:03 |
| anteaya | *sigh* | 23:03 |
| anteaya | clarkb: this email doesn't give us what we currently ask for: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/third-party-requests/2014-October/000027.html | 23:04 |
| fungi | anteaya: i think those are cases where a stackforge project wants to test their changes and report into gerrit on them? | 23:04 |
| anteaya | clarkb: it gives us what we used to ask for | 23:04 |
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| fungi | anteaya: so may not be covered by our recommendations around driver vendors reporting on openstack changes | 23:05 |
| anteaya | fungi: do we have different rules for stackforge? | 23:05 |
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| anteaya | fungi: what happens if they get an account to test stackforge and start testing openstack service changes? | 23:05 |
| anteaya | fungi: what do I do then? | 23:05 |
| fungi | anteaya: i don't know about rules, but we have other _situations_ third-party testing is used for besides driver vendors | 23:05 |
| anteaya | fungi: well coming out of the germany mid-cycle | 23:06 |
| anteaya | I was told company name driver name ci | 23:06 |
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| anteaya | and that is what I have been trying unsucessfully to implement | 23:06 |
| fungi | anteaya: i guess ask them to make up a fake driver name? | 23:06 |
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| anteaya | since folks are not reading our current documentation | 23:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Update EPEL7 version https://review.openstack.org/128472 | 23:06 |
| anteaya | fungi: I don't know how to handle that use case | 23:07 |
| anteaya | since once they have an account, we can't stop them from posting comments to anything | 23:07 |
| anteaya | now we can disable them if someone complains | 23:07 |
| pleia2 | jogo: how does friday look for you? thursday could work too, but I have to leave by 2:30 for an appointment | 23:07 |
| anteaya | but shutting off systems to get compliance doesn't seem to be working well | 23:08 |
| fungi | anteaya: as is the case with any third-party ci, if they comment/vote on projects which didn't invite them to do so, we disable their account until they fix it | 23:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: add documentation for globbed parameter feature https://review.openstack.org/128476 | 23:08 |
| anteaya | I think I am getting tired of being the only person following up on these cases | 23:09 |
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| anteaya | since non complliant systems fall on me to educate and track | 23:09 |
| fungi | anteaya: you're not compelled to do that. hopefully if you stop doing it, others in the community will step up to continue the effort (assuming they too find it necessary and worthwhile) | 23:10 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: sorry I stepped away :) | 23:11 |
| fungi | anteaya: anyway, i was just hoping to save you some frustrating conversations where you kept asking them what driver they were testing even though they weren't testing any driver | 23:11 |
| clarkb | anteaya: if you want to annotate the etherpad with info and make give me a list of things that are read to go I will go ahead and do those | 23:11 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: np | 23:11 |
| anteaya | fungi: they haven't so far | 23:11 |
| anteaya | fungi: and I appreciate that | 23:12 |
| clarkb | fungi anteaya: for non compliant can't we just let the projects in question yell? | 23:12 |
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| anteaya | part of me feels that working hard to figure out how to get an account for someone who can't read documentation about how to request an account is a poor beginning | 23:12 |
| fungi | when someone pops in here or comments in the ml that they see nonconformant/annoying behavior from a third-party system, and i see it, i generally disable it on the spot and e-mail the announce list now that we have one | 23:13 |
| anteaya | clarkb: sure, they tend to yell at me though | 23:13 |
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| anteaya | fungi: yes, I have seen that | 23:13 |
| anteaya | fungi: and I thank you | 23:13 |
| fungi | though you've usually noticed faster than i do, given me a heads up, and e-mailed that ml yourselg | 23:13 |
| fungi | er, yourself | 23:13 |
| anteaya | perhaps I am just tired and frustrated with this whole space | 23:13 |
| fungi | i can understand that. it's a frustrating situation | 23:14 |
| anteaya | I really had hoped that by now through lots of effort there would be a critical mass able to self-direct | 23:14 |
| fungi | hopefully that's one of the things hogepodge will have time to start working on improving | 23:14 |
| anteaya | but the group is growing larger than the critical mass can recognized itself | 23:14 |
| anteaya | who is hogepodge | 23:15 |
| anteaya | and how do I donate to his/her campaign? | 23:15 |
| fungi | one of our awesome community members, who was recently hired by the foundation to start helping improve the interop and third-party-testing spaces | 23:16 |
| anteaya | oh thank god | 23:16 |
| anteaya | do they know to attend the third party meeting? | 23:16 |
| anteaya | I will train them and they can do all these things | 23:16 |
| * anteaya fixes up an altar to hogepodge | 23:16 | |
| fungi | i think he's been focused more on the interop/defcore/refstack situation so far, but i expect he'll want to start getting involved in the third-party testing stuff soon as well | 23:16 |
| clarkb | ya I think he is currently pulled in a million directions | 23:17 |
| clarkb | will be at the summit though | 23:17 |
| fungi | that is what we do to people | 23:17 |
| clarkb | and we grab lunch/beers occasionally in portland | 23:17 |
| fungi | you're drawn and quartered alive | 23:17 |
| anteaya | I think I know him | 23:17 |
| anteaya | oh goodness | 23:17 |
| anteaya | yeah if he fell in the refstack hole I don't expect to see him again | 23:18 |
| anteaya | he is a good dancer | 23:18 |
| clarkb | anteaya: anyways, I am currently trying to multitask and do some unpacking | 23:18 |
| anteaya | leads well | 23:18 |
| anteaya | clarkb: yeah let me annotate the etherpad | 23:18 |
| clarkb | anteaya: but if you want to help me out with info on the etherpad as you see it I can then take what is ready and ram it through | 23:18 |
| anteaya | and email in response | 23:18 |
| clarkb | awesome will check back in in about 10 minutes | 23:19 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: I will try to find something ready for you to ram through | 23:19 |
| anteaya | clarkb: guess I needed to b**ch a bit first | 23:19 |
| mordred | anybody who wants their eyes to bleed: | 23:21 |
| mordred | http://blog.higgsboson.tk/2013/06/09/use-systemd-as-a-cron-replacement/ | 23:21 |
| JayF | haha I read the link and thought "sweet" before I saw your commentary on it :) | 23:21 |
| mordred | JayF: my god - you're not one of the people who actually like systemd are you? | 23:21 |
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| JayF | I think we've had this conversation before | 23:22 |
| jogo | pleia2: friday works better for me | 23:22 |
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| * mordred makes mental note to isloate JayF somehow | 23:22 | |
| JayF | and yes, I am an unabashed lover of the giant daemon of init love | 23:22 |
| mordred | JayF: we probably have - I probably erased it from my brain | 23:22 |
| JayF | mordred: containers launched from systemd unit files running on CoreOS (or a similar minimalist distribution) == the future :) | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | jogo: great, 1pm? feel free to pick a place and I'll be there :) | 23:22 |
| mordred | JayF: do you just enjoy debugging things with cryptic binary file formats or laptops that don't suspend properly then? | 23:22 |
| JayF | mordred: I generally don't run linux on laptops... or many workstations at all for that matter | 23:23 |
| mordred | JayF: that sounds like _a_ future - I just wish people would stop breaking my linux while trying to produce the totally new thing you just described | 23:23 |
| mordred | because what you described is a completelya nd totally new system design | 23:23 |
| fungi | JayF: freebsd i guess? ;) | 23:23 |
| JayF | I can't take credit for it | 23:23 |
| mordred | which is great- people should experiment with such things | 23:23 |
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| JayF | I just saw that the CoreOS guys are doing and hitched up my wagon :) | 23:24 |
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| mordred | but it would be great if they'd not do it in the middle of my production OS | 23:24 |
| fungi | JayF: hurd? | 23:24 |
| JayF | fungi: so for a long time I only ran windows on personal stuff, and had a linux laptop for work | 23:24 |
| fungi | no wait... don't tell me... plan9! | 23:24 |
| jogo | fungi: haha | 23:24 |
| JayF | fungi: I switched to a mac for work about 15 months ago... and this weekend completed my sellout by buying my first personal macbook | 23:24 |
| jogo | pleia2: figuring out what to eat for lunch is always the hard part | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: oh yeah, I told hogepodge to come to 3rd party meetings when I saw him at puppetconf, he seemed excited, so we can remind him :) | 23:25 |
| JayF | mordred: What distro in particular are you grumbly at in this case, hehe | 23:25 |
| mordred | JayF: all of them | 23:25 |
| mordred | JayF: I have NO CHOICES any more | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | jogo: haha, right, osha thai that one time was good | 23:25 |
| JayF | mordred: I honestly found some of my like for systemd in suffering through upstart and never really "getting it" | 23:25 |
| fungi | mordred: you can choose between hate and more hate? | 23:25 |
| JayF | mordred: and then swapped over to systemd and stuff made sense | 23:25 |
| mordred | JayF: well, my laptop stopped working properly | 23:26 |
| jogo | pleia2: oh that sounds good, lets do that | 23:26 |
| mordred | so if that's "sense" then awesome :) | 23:26 |
| jeblair | mordred: after some thought, i selected "GNU Emacs" as my favorite linux distro when registering with LCA because i was pretty sure it doesn't use systemd. yet. | 23:26 |
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| mordred | jeblair: NICE | 23:26 |
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| JayF | mordred: like I said, I use linux mostly in the context of the server; so I get better init tooling and don't have my laptop broken, haha | 23:26 |
| fungi | jeblair: i hear there's an elisp port of systemd on the way | 23:26 |
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| mordred | JayF: well, the thing is, systemd only makes sense as an init replacement for laptops | 23:26 |
| anteaya | pleia2: now that I know who he is | 23:26 |
| JayF | mordred: but I'm generally a fan of things working, and your distro let you down which really sucks :( | 23:26 |
| mordred | JayF: for servers, if you wanted a daemon that behaves like systemd | 23:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: you would use systemd to fork emacs as your desktop env | 23:27 |
| mordred | JayF: it's called xinetd | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: oh good :) | 23:27 |
| anteaya | pleia2: make sure you go dancing with him next time, he is very patient and a great lead | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: oh no, I don't dance | 23:27 |
| anteaya | not yet | 23:27 |
| jeblair | mordred: except systemd broke my laptop | 23:27 |
| anteaya | :D | 23:27 |
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| mordred | JayF: and you should be able to install it to get your process-in-containers vision without polluting the init daemon | 23:27 |
| mordred | jeblair: right. | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: hehe | 23:27 |
| mordred | jeblair: it's terrible at the one thing it's supposed to be good at | 23:27 |
| mordred | and it's breaking servers in the process | 23:27 |
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| mordred | all while trying to do insane things like REPLACING CRON | 23:27 |
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| clarkb | mordred: I must've missed it how did it break your laptop? | 23:28 |
| clarkb | is this because you install debian? | 23:28 |
| JayF | mordred: I actually like systemd as my pid 1, I like the depedency resolution, the tooling to help me make a system boot faster (or troubleshoot boots generally) | 23:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: I'm running trusty | 23:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: systemd takes over acpi events | 23:28 |
| JayF | mordred: trusty has no systemd? | 23:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: which means that my laptop lid close behavior is wrong | 23:28 |
| clarkb | oh right it does have that fake systemd package thing | 23:28 |
| clarkb | which is like everything but init systemd | 23:28 |
| mordred | yup | 23:28 |
| fungi | oh, yeah yjere | 23:28 |
| fungi | er | 23:28 |
| mordred | JayF: see, the thing is - systemd isn't the blocker to fast boot times | 23:29 |
| anteaya | so help me understand something here | 23:29 |
| mordred | JayF: opensatck is | 23:29 |
| JayF | Ah, I had no idea it shipped with a shim for systemd | 23:29 |
| mordred | JayF: :) | 23:29 |
| fungi | there's been a flamewar^Wthread on debian-devel this past week about systemd's acpi equivalent stuff | 23:29 |
| anteaya | and use small words because I am slow | 23:29 |
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| mordred | JayF: or, on real hardware, the POST that will take 4 minutes | 23:29 |
| anteaya | the reason for a project to be in stackforge is to use our ci yes? | 23:29 |
| mordred | anteaya: or our gerrit | 23:29 |
| JayF | mordred: it's generally more about the tooling available to troubleshoot it | 23:29 |
| anteaya | was that not the reason stackforge was set up? | 23:29 |
| mordred | JayF: right. that's precisely the reason I don't want systemd | 23:30 |
| anteaya | okay or our gerrit | 23:30 |
| mordred | JayF: beacuse I have good tooling | 23:30 |
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| mordred | and with systemd I no longer do | 23:30 |
| anteaya | what is a scenario where someone needs a ci to test stackforge? | 23:30 |
| JayF | You just have different tooling :) | 23:30 |
| mordred | JayF: init scripts, it turns out, work really predictably | 23:30 |
| mordred | JayF: yes. and it worked well | 23:30 |
| mordred | JayF: there was literally nothing broken about it | 23:30 |
| jogo | is systemd the emacs vs vim flame of this decade? | 23:30 |
| JayF | jogo: you're probably right | 23:30 |
| JayF | I don't want to convince anyone my idea is better | 23:31 |
| mordred | no. because with emacs vs. vim you have a choice | 23:31 |
| JayF | I just reject the idea that nobody likes systemd | 23:31 |
| JayF | because I do :) | 23:31 |
| mordred | I'm bad because I don't get to choose not systemd | 23:31 |
| mordred | I'm fine with JayF liking it | 23:31 |
| mordred | I just dont' want to be forced to live in the delusions of lennart pottering | 23:31 |
| fungi | anteaya: so... there are sometimes projects being developed on stackforge which run things we can't reasonably be expected to run in our infrastructure, but they want to test that for their projects... for example the chef people might want to try to deploy a bunch of openstack cookbook roles across a network of bare metal servers | 23:31 |
| JayF | mordred: I really do hope, in all seriousness, that distros still exist with other inits | 23:31 |
| mordred | JayF: gentoo | 23:31 |
| JayF | mordred: FWIW I know ChromeOS is sticking with upstart | 23:31 |
| mordred | JayF: seriously, the only one | 23:31 |
| jeblair | though it's worth noting (and this is not a value judgement) that JayF is not a user of systemd on a linux distro. :) | 23:31 |
| JayF | mordred: I ran a gentoo with systemd for a long time | 23:31 |
| mordred | JayF: that's not a distro | 23:31 |
| mordred | JayF: yes - but they make it a choice, as it should be | 23:32 |
| jeblair | and of course, i am immediately corrected ;) | 23:32 |
| anteaya | fungi: okay | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | systemd handling my power preferences will be nice, the fact that my DE does it is kind of stupid | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | not just because it does it badly | 23:32 |
| JayF | jeblair: I am an administrator of buckets full of nodes running systemd :P why should it matter it's in the form of the IPA ramdisk | 23:32 |
| anteaya | so do ci's that want to test stackforge projects have their own naming rules? | 23:32 |
| fungi | anteaya: without knowing a lot about, e.g., poppy or whatever the other one was, i don't know what they might want to test externally and report on for their changes | 23:32 |
| anteaya | for instance we don't allow ci's to have project names in them | 23:33 |
| JayF | jeblair: especially when I did a lot of the systemd shenanigans (of which there are more in our downstream image) to setup the ramdisk | 23:33 |
| mordred | anteaya: we have no rules for that | 23:33 |
| anteaya | mordred: right we have no rules for that | 23:33 |
| anteaya | and we have 3 requests for accounts | 23:33 |
| mordred | anteaya: why? | 23:33 |
| anteaya | that want to be name stackforgeproject ci | 23:33 |
| jeblair | JayF: i think the interesting thing i'm getting from this conversation is that systemd may be very useful for your use case which is quite different from my laptop | 23:33 |
| mordred | or my servers | 23:33 |
| anteaya | mordred: why do we have requests for accounts? | 23:33 |
| anteaya | mordred: they didn't tell me | 23:33 |
| mordred | anteaya: I would respond with "why" | 23:33 |
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| fungi | anteaya: the reason we don't have project names in ci systems reporting on official projects is because there are multiples of them, so for example you don't want a dozen "something neutron ci" accounts. for a stackforge project where the devs are also operating an external test rig and they want to give it an account to report on their changes, there may be no similar opportunity for confusion | 23:34 |
| JayF | jeblair: that's a very reasonable and potentially accurate observation; I know that personally I'd prefer never administer a server with traditional fork-and-pidfile init systems | 23:34 |
| anteaya | well the group based policy folks get very huffy when I ask why | 23:34 |
| mordred | anteaya: would you like me to? | 23:34 |
| anteaya | I asked them for a description of their project for the creation patch and they replied with a marketing answer | 23:35 |
| anteaya | mordred: please | 23:35 |
| mordred | where do I do that? | 23:35 |
| clarkb | so I think one of the things that stackforge has evolved into is a corporately acceptable place to opensource | 23:35 |
| anteaya | mordred: join us: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mid-october-3rd-party-accounts | 23:35 |
| clarkb | which is kinda neat and kinda scary | 23:35 |
| clarkb | but may also be a reason for third party accounts in stackforge | 23:35 |
| anteaya | mordred: rackspace poppy, cloudbased-init and group based policy are all yours | 23:35 |
| mordred | yeah. that's insane | 23:36 |
| mordred | the reason for third-party testing it to enable vendors with drivers that we can't test in infra | 23:36 |
| anteaya | mordred: perhaps from the responses we can figure out how to name them so that it fits the companyname drivername ci format we agreed to in germany | 23:36 |
| anteaya | mordred: good please save me from further insanity | 23:36 |
| mordred | anteaya: I am not interested in us being in the third-party-testing-on-stackforge business | 23:36 |
| mordred | it makes no sense | 23:36 |
| anteaya | mordred: thank you | 23:36 |
| mordred | that is called "github" | 23:37 |
| anteaya | mordred: please express that to them | 23:37 |
| mordred | I will - although I get the feeling I'm going to have to subscribe to a list... | 23:37 |
| fungi | mordred: well, we have told stackforge projects in the past that third-party testing was an option for testing things on their projects that we couldn't (or wouldn't) host the infrastructure to support ourselves | 23:37 |
| anteaya | mordred: you should find links to the parent emails and your email should be unmodded to be able to post | 23:37 |
| anteaya | mordred: you should be unmodded | 23:37 |
| anteaya | mordred: though subscribing to third-party-requests is a good idea if you aren't already | 23:38 |
| jeblair | it was at least helpful for sahara when they were pre-incubation | 23:38 |
| anteaya | that list is unmodded | 23:38 |
| anteaya | jeblair: yes, so if there is a valid reason | 23:38 |
| anteaya | but not if it is the fashion | 23:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: that's a good point | 23:38 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think anyone subscribed to -infra can email the request list without moderation, so no subscription necessary | 23:38 |
| anteaya | and everyone one has to have one | 23:38 |
| lifeless | Key Y must be signed by key X. | 23:38 |
| lifeless | Key Y must be signed by at least 2 keys which are part of the active Debian keyring. | 23:38 |
| lifeless | The request for replacement should be signed by key X but may be signed by any key that is part of the active Debian Developer keyring. | 23:38 |
| lifeless | Key Y should sign at least one key that is part of the active Debian keyring (and ideally at least sign both of the active keys that sign it). | 23:38 |
| mordred | lifeless: that is interesting information | 23:38 |
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| mordred | lifeless: I get the feeling, though, that it might have been a paste ;) | 23:39 |
| fungi | lifeless: another key transition for you? | 23:39 |
| lifeless | oh bah | 23:39 |
| fungi | lifeless: or have you just not gotten around to updating your key in the dd ring until now? | 23:39 |
| lifeless | fungi: no, docs for sending mine to keyring maint | 23:39 |
| mordred | anteaya: I may choose to spend a moment where I'm not upset about systemd before responding to those | 23:39 |
| fungi | lifeless: figured | 23:39 |
| lifeless | mordred: uselessd 4 eva | 23:40 |
| anteaya | mordred: good idea | 23:40 |
| fungi | it seems to still be an active project, so at least it didn't die of neglect in its first month | 23:40 |
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| fungi | v4 was released a week ago | 23:41 |
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| clarkb | mordred: do you know how gentoo does their systemdless install? does it come iwth the same shims that trusty installs? | 23:43 |
| clarkb | anteaya: so to recap its just those two that I should create? nexenta2 and huawei cinder? | 23:44 |
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| clarkb | or are we able to do poppy too? | 23:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/gitdm: Update clarkb affiliation https://review.openstack.org/128484 | 23:46 |
| lifeless | clarkb: oh congrats | 23:47 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I didn't realise you'd moved | 23:47 |
| clarkb | ya I completely failed at announcing it earlier. ETOOMUCHGOINGON | 23:48 |
| clarkb | and thanks | 23:49 |
| anteaya | clarkb: not nexenta2, just nexenta | 23:49 |
| clarkb | anteaya: that is the heading I had it under on the etherpad | 23:49 |
| anteaya | clarkb: and the Huawei account | 23:49 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ah okay | 23:49 |
| clarkb | I will create those accounts right now. will let you know when done | 23:50 |
| anteaya | thanks | 23:50 |
| anteaya | now I have to chase down Huawei CI to get them to rename themselves | 23:50 |
| anteaya | clarkb: no not poppy | 23:51 |
| clarkb | kk | 23:51 |
| anteaya | clarkb: since poppy si the name of a stackforge project, so mordred has that one | 23:51 |
| anteaya | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/poppy/ | 23:52 |
| lifeless | I presume all the infra servers have been de-poodled? | 23:52 |
| fungi | lifeless: i got the impression workarounds were going to happen mainly browser-side for that | 23:53 |
| lifeless | nooo | 23:53 |
| lifeless | http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.co.nz/2014/10/this-poodle-bites-exploiting-ssl-30.html | 23:53 |
| fungi | though i suppose we could drop sslv3 support from all our systems | 23:53 |
| fungi | yep, that's the announcement i read | 23:54 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: congrats! :) | 23:54 |
| fungi | lifeless: so, browsers should avoid using/downgrading to sslv3... we can in theory mitigate that by dropping sslv3 from our supported protocols in all our apache configs | 23:55 |
| lifeless | from the whitepaper | 23:55 |
| lifeless | ssl3 is the thing thats broken | 23:55 |
| lifeless | so yes | 23:55 |
| lifeless | yes, the browsers can make things better too | 23:56 |
| lifeless | fungi: did you read https://www.openssl.org/~bodo/ssl-poodle.pdf ? | 23:56 |
| fungi | lifeless: nope, hadn't seen that one yet | 23:56 |
| fungi | lifeless: oh! that was linked from the word "details" in the announcement | 23:57 |
| fungi | not sure how i missed that | 23:57 |
| clarkb | anteaya: ok the two good ones are done | 23:57 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thank you | 23:57 |
| clarkb | fungi: should I be sorting out how to make puppetlabs-apache do that for us? | 23:58 |
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| clarkb | hrm that will probably have to be in each of the vhosts | 23:59 |
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