Friday, 2014-06-27

davidlenwellclarkb: ^^00:01
clarkbdavidlenwell: the issue is the origin00:01
davidlenwelloh ?00:01
clarkbgit@github.com is a rw url iirc00:01
clarkband will use ssh00:01
davidlenwellthat looks exactly like the orgins on my other repos00:02
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clarkbdavidlenwell: try git remote set-url origin https://git.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-planet or whatever00:03
clarkbdavidlenwell: well you may have an accoutn in github with ssh keys that work00:03
davidlenwelloh .. yes ..00:03
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davidlenwellso that gave us a better error message00:06
davidlenwellshe didn't put her address in the icla00:06
clarkbif you go to the contact info link it should've given you you can update that00:07
davidlenwellyeah .. she's doing it now .. thanks clarkb00:07
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openstackgerritIsaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add tacker project on StackForge  https://review.openstack.org/9743500:11
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davidlenwellclarkb: she's getting "Server Error" "Cannot store contact information"00:12
clarkbdavidlenwell: you have to make sure that the primary email address in gerrit matches your primary email address in your openstack foundation profile00:13
davidlenwellyeah .. its the same00:14
davidlenwellstill not working00:14
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davidlenwellshe broke it00:14
* clarkb tests00:14
yamahataHi, regarding to  https://review.openstack.org/97435 for new project, can you please take care of it? I'm getting constantly merge failure at the verification after approval as other new projects had been created.00:14
clarkbdavidlenwell: works fine for me00:14
davidlenwellworks for me too00:15
clarkbdavidlenwell: double check the account at https://www.openstack.org/profile/ matches00:15
anteayajeblair: great thank you00:15
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yamahataI've been struggling for merge failure for more than a week00:15
fungidavidlenwell: something has to be in the mailing address and phone number fields too... doesn't have to be accurate (i've tested with just a . in each)00:15
davidlenwellthey were all populated00:16
davidlenwelldoesn't work with just . either00:16
clarkbdavidlenwell: plaese double check the profile00:16
clarkb99% of the time that is the issue00:16
clarkbeither a different email address was used or the profile was missing entirely00:16
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fungiyeah, it shouldn't care what's in the mailing address and phone number fields as long as those two have something in them, but the e-mail address does need to match (primary on the foundation profile to preferred in the gerrit settings)00:17
davidlenwellthats not it00:17
davidlenwellthe foundation email matches what is in the contact exactly00:17
anteayayamahata: interesting I'm not sure why the merge is continuing to fail on that approved patch00:17
fungiit doesn't check secondary/alternate addresses00:17
davidlenwellI tried logging out and back in00:17
davidlenwellthis time it took longer to get an error00:18
reedmore problems?00:18
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reedis there a trend to the worst for the signup process?00:19
clarkbreed: usually the foundation profile is completely missing or with mismatched data00:19
yamahataanteaya: because other new projects were get merged before mine somehow.00:19
anteayaI think it is volume00:19
clarkbreed: apparently because there are some old blogposts/videos out there that gloss over that00:19
reeddavidlenwell, are you following to the letter the instructions on the wiki or some other docs?00:19
anteayaI think the volume of new contributors means more folks have problems00:19
yamahataAnd timezone issue.00:19
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anteayayamahata: yes, you have two failed attempts at merging that patch00:20
reedclarkb, that's my fear too, there has to be some bad documentation out there... I hope that's the cause00:20
anteayafungi: do you have a moment to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97435/00:20
fungianteaya: i already approved it00:21
anteayaah00:21
* anteaya refreshes00:21
fungiwell, re-reapproved it00:21
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anteayayamahata: let us know if you still have a merge problem with the patch00:21
anteayafungi: thanks00:21
yamahataanteaya: thanks00:21
anteayaand to fungi00:22
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reedhttp://www.ibm.com/developerworks/cloud/library/cl-contributecode-openstack/ is not wrong, has a useless step00:23
fungiyamahata: yeah, since you were adding to the very end of the jjb projects.yaml and others do the same things (and we handle on average one new project every day or two) it's easy for them to conflict00:23
reedand a slideshare presentation from Lorin Hochstein is wrong (old)...00:24
anteayareed: and did you see this? http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/00:24
anteayareed: it is still a work in progress00:24
reedbut my google results are not showing bad stuff00:24
anteayaso help from core reviewers and ptls (project drivers) will be helpful00:24
reedanteaya, ah, interesting00:24
* anteaya hands reed the whack-a-mole mallet00:25
yamahataYes, I've been learning about project management00:25
anteayareed: so still under construction00:25
anteayareed: some parts are completely missing00:25
jamielennoxhi all, i don't know if you have seen http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-stable-maint/2014-June/002337.html from a few weeks ago - how would i go about making the  openstack-doc-gate non-voting in the stable branch only?00:25
jamielennoxstable/icehouse00:25
anteayareed: but help to fill in the missing parts would be great00:25
fungijamielennox: by making it a different job00:25
reedanteaya, we should keep that documentation in one place, remove it from the wiki at some point if it will stay on docs manuals00:25
anteayareed: y'know when you are talking to people00:25
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anteayareed: right that is what we are after00:26
fungijamielennox: voting/non-voting is based on the job name, so you'd need two jobs which do the same thing but with separate names00:26
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anteayareplacing wikipages and ci.openstack.org pages (or the ones we can)00:26
fungijamielennox: it can be done fairly easily with a job template so as to avoid too much duplication00:26
anteayareed: so it just went live today00:26
reedanteaya, ah! that explains my surprised face :)00:26
clarkbarg I was going to test more things on trusty00:26
clarkband then distractions and horizon00:26
anteayareed: do review: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/infra-manual,n,z00:26
reedneed to subscribe to that project00:27
anteayaplease do00:27
anteayaI'd love to have your input on the content00:27
reeduhm ... rst00:27
anteayaand discuss direction and design with you00:27
anteayawhat?00:27
reedanteaya, nothing, I understand that the docs team is still in flux between rst and docbook00:29
anteayaoh00:30
anteayathis isn't a docs team effort00:30
reedhttp://opensource.com/business/14/2/how-contribute-openstack says that our code is on github...00:30
anteayathis is an infra effort00:30
reednot wrong per se but imprecise00:30
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* fungi finds rst imminently more readable than, say, tex or troff00:30
lifelessfungi: eminently?00:30
reedfungi, indeed00:30
anteayareed: I see many an email in your future00:30
fungilifeless: that too!00:30
fungiand waaaaay more readable than docbook xml00:30
anteayaif they want to contribute to the infra-manual repo and link to that00:31
anteayawe welcome that direction00:31
reedone less reason to use the wiki! yeah! :)00:31
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reedconfirming my theory00:31
jamielennoxfungi: so given that it's a template the same thing will run for stable as for master, how do i distinguish between the two jobs?00:32
anteayawhat is your theory?00:32
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anteayaand thanks for the review, reed00:33
reedanteaya, my theory is ... too hard to explain without offending someone :)00:33
fungijamielennox: a lot of people doing similar things have (ab)used a branch designator parameter in the job name and passed "-nv" in that for one of their instantiations00:33
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anteayaI leave that at your discretion then00:34
anteayajust be aware that I don't know what your theory is00:34
fungijamielennox: i think ironic has some non-voting versions of their tempest integration jobs for example, so they can be voting on ironic but non-voting advisory jobs on other projects00:34
fungijamielennox: you could use a similar pattern00:34
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jamielennoxfungi: ok, i'll have a look there00:35
jamielennoxthanks00:35
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reedgotta go, tty tomorrow00:35
anteayasee ya reed00:35
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add tacker project on StackForge  https://review.openstack.org/9743500:45
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openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/infra-manual: Create a .gitignore file  https://review.openstack.org/10291900:47
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openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/infra-manual: Create a .gitignore file  https://review.openstack.org/10291900:53
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anteayayay yamahata it merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97435/ third time lucky01:04
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anteayaso this is useful: http://clock.darkhorseanalytics.com/01:07
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yamahataanteaya: thank you so much01:08
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anteayayamahata: I'm just the messenger, fungi gave the green check mark01:09
anteayaglad you are on your way01:09
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anteayacindyo: you might want to check your irc client01:20
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clarkbsdague: we still seem to be indexing at a reasonable rate when things are working well01:22
clarkbsdague: so I think the fluctuations we see are related to iops01:23
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clarkbsdague: the workers don't appear to getting way backed up as before01:25
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clarkbsdague: its so predictable though. when the logstash job queue grows await on 07 is crazy01:43
clarkbwhen it falls or is level it is fine01:43
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openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move cinderclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299102:12
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move glanceclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299202:12
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move heatclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299302:12
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move ironicclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299402:12
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move keystoneclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299502:12
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move ceilometerclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299602:12
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move neutronclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299702:12
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move novaclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299802:12
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move swiftclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299902:12
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clarkbI think I missed sahara again02:12
clarkbbut SergeyLukjanov is on top of that <_<02:12
clarkbanyways I think that is it for now02:12
clarkball of those have had py27, pep8 and docs succeed on trusty02:12
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tchaypowhen stefano gets logs indicating that some fool tried to use proposal bot's code 6 times02:17
tchaypothat fool was me02:17
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tchayposorry. I'm using the right code now.02:17
clarkbtchaypo: trying to steal from my bot?02:17
clarkbhow dare you :P02:17
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-dev/pbr: Un-nest some sections of code  https://review.openstack.org/9557002:29
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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql to stackforge  https://review.openstack.org/10239203:01
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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add subunit2sql to stackforge  https://review.openstack.org/10239203:10
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jogoAlex_Gaynor: I was going to bump the flake8 version tomorrow. I added the paralleization by default to it03:31
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Alex_Gaynorjogo: <3 awesome03:31
jogosomeone else added parallel but off  by default03:31
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jogoI turned it on by default and added auto detect number of cores.03:32
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tristanCfungi: it's a devstack running on 13.10, Saucy Salamander, and the bug is reproducable, remove the .venv, ./run_tests.sh : most tests fails with "ImportError: No module named httplib2"03:37
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tristanCsorry for the late answer :)03:37
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clarkbtristanC: ya I reproduced on precise and trusty03:40
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clarkbtristanC: so I have no idea how it works in the gate right now03:40
clarkbtristanC: I think we are going to fix it by adding it as a test requirement03:40
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tristanCclarkb: yep, adding httplib2 to test-requirements.txt fixed this issue here03:49
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clarkbya so sdague was going to push that change up. not sure if he did03:49
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jogowe still don't allow non-overlapping global requirements changes right?03:50
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clarkbcorrect03:52
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jogoclarkb: thanks03:57
openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Move pep8 to just 1.5.7  https://review.openstack.org/10300403:57
openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Add flake8 2.2.0  https://review.openstack.org/10300503:57
openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Drop flake8 2.1.0  https://review.openstack.org/10300603:57
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jogoAlex_Gaynor: ^03:58
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Alex_Gaynorjogo: will drop some +2s as soon as the tests run (+/- getting home from the airport :-))03:58
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jogoAlex_Gaynor: thanks, when testing on my laptop, flake8 2.2.0 drops the runtime against nova from 73 to 34 seconds or so04:11
jogowhich isn't amazing but not bad04:11
jogofor a free speedup04:12
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clarkbjogo: especially when flake8 is slower than running unitests for some projects04:12
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clarkbI will take it04:12
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jogoclarkb: ouch04:14
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clarkbalso logstash is :(04:14
jogodo you have en example for me to gasp at?04:14
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clarkbjogo: uh I think the clients qualify04:15
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jogoneutronclient is close pep8 is 47 and unit are p26 is 1 minute04:16
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jogooh glanceclient https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102313/04:16
jogowow04:16
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jogoclarkb: that is really sad04:17
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clarkbjogo: I have discovered so many things with the trusty switch04:17
clarkbhorizon tests don't actually work04:18
clarkbon precise or trusty04:18
jogodid they ever?04:18
jogowow04:18
clarkbglance tests spit out tons of errors but apparently thats ok and the tests pass04:18
jogohaha04:18
jogowow04:18
clarkbflake8 is slower than unittests in some case04:18
clarkbwhat else?04:18
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jogoglanceclient with pep8 2.2.0 is 33 seconds locally04:18
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jogoand 76 seconds in the older flake804:20
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openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove queries for fixed bugs.  https://review.openstack.org/10300904:28
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jogoclarkb: ^ does running fewer queries help our elasticsearch cluster's health?04:28
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openstackgerritRandy Coulman proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for URLTrigger plugin  https://review.openstack.org/8352404:32
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clarkbjogo: no04:33
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clarkbjogo: I mean it does have an impact04:33
clarkbjogo: but not a massive one04:33
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clarkbjogo: current issue is health of the volumes04:33
clarkbjogo: you can see every up and down appears to correlate reasonaly well with volumes going crazy when I check04:34
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jogoahh that is what I thought04:38
openstackgerritRandy Coulman proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for URLTrigger plugin  https://review.openstack.org/8352404:38
jogodoes that mean rax's volume servers are funny?04:38
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clarkbeither that or noisy neighbors04:38
clarkbhowever we only seem to see it on a volume or two04:38
clarkband not all of them04:38
jogointeresting04:38
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openstackgerritRandy Coulman proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for URLTrigger plugin  https://review.openstack.org/8352404:42
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openstackgerritJoshua Hesketh proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Remove envinject from gerrit  https://review.openstack.org/10208805:36
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openstackgerritJoshua Hesketh proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Remove envinject from gerrit-plugin-jobs  https://review.openstack.org/10208705:36
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openstackgerritJoshua Hesketh proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: remove envinject usage from maven-plugin-jobs.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/10301905:38
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openstackgerritRandy Coulman proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for URLTrigger plugin  https://review.openstack.org/8352405:51
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openstackgerritJoshua Hesketh proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Remove Jenkins EnvInject plugin from production  https://review.openstack.org/10110105:53
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/requirements: Update python-neutronclient>=2.3.5,<3  https://review.openstack.org/10294406:30
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed a change to openstack-infra/release-tools: Add spec2bp.py script  https://review.openstack.org/10156608:33
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openstackgerritEthan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Update python-cinderclient>=1.0.7  https://review.openstack.org/10305608:42
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openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed a change to openstack-infra/git-review: Ensure username is set for all tests  https://review.openstack.org/9936509:30
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/git-review: Provide nicer user message for missing remote ref  https://review.openstack.org/9775109:49
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed a change to openstack-infra/release-tools: Support proposed/* branches in release scripts  https://review.openstack.org/10283109:52
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed a change to openstack-infra/release-tools: Support proposed/* branches in release scripts  https://review.openstack.org/10283109:54
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed a change to openstack-infra/release-tools: Add basic milestone check feature to ms2version.py  https://review.openstack.org/10307010:01
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed a change to openstack-infra/release-tools: Support swift and oslo milestone releases  https://review.openstack.org/9989210:03
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed a change to openstack-infra/release-tools: Support proposed/* branches in release scripts  https://review.openstack.org/10283110:04
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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Point search requests to search endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/10253610:21
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Set the group acl file for python-monascaclient  https://review.openstack.org/10290710:26
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joaHi o/10:37
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thimblehello. we are collecting information to build and support the CI corresponding for the xen tests. Where can I find information about the hardware requirements (storage for log files and so on)?10:37
joaSetting up third-party CI (discovering jenkins on the way, might have to discover pupper too ^^'); I'm using Jay Pipes' guide (also, latest stable jenkins)10:37
joaEncountering a little issue: Gearman doesn't seem to be running, when testing the connection jenkins-gearman from jenkin's system config10:38
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dtantsur|afkg'afternoon Ironic!10:42
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joawas infra == ironic ? Oo10:42
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dtantsurjoa, we need less similar chats >_<10:44
joa:D10:44
joaknew it.10:44
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openstackgerritLonggeek proposed a change to openstack-dev/cookiecutter: Bump minimum pbr version to 0.6  https://review.openstack.org/10308510:49
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openstackgerritLonggeek proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Bump minimum pbr version to 0.6 and requ argparse module  https://review.openstack.org/10308710:58
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joaanteaya: there ? I sent a mail to request a CI system account to the infra list; but since I'm not subscribed there, my message was waiting for approval. Any news about it ? :) (hope I'm not being too demanding)11:37
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sdagueSergeyLukjanov: you feel like landing this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101976/ ?11:42
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sdaguewe keep hitting mirror issues, and I'd like to have the debug in there11:42
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SergeyLukjanovsdague, morning11:42
* SergeyLukjanov looking on it11:42
sdaguemorning :)11:42
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SergeyLukjanovsdague, approved11:44
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sdaguethanks sir!11:46
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openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move saharaclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10309911:52
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SergeyLukjanovclarkb, trusty-client for sahara :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103099/111:52
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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/infra-specs: StoryBoard Teams API and management spec  https://review.openstack.org/10310612:03
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openstackgerritLukas Bednar proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: multijob: added kill-phase-on option  https://review.openstack.org/9990312:09
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: removed job configuration duplication in docs  https://review.openstack.org/9819712:11
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move cinderclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299112:25
openstackgerritKashyap Chamarthy proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Update signature for bug 1331274  https://review.openstack.org/10311212:25
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1331274 in grenade "Logs are not getting created for services in Grenade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133127412:25
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kashyapsdague, Does the above sound sensible?12:26
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sdaguekashyap: you need to put parens around the OR clause12:26
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sdague( X OR Y ) AND B12:27
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sdaguefor it to eval correctly12:27
sdagueotherwise, I think it's right12:27
kashyapAh, let me edit that, thank you12:27
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fungiyep, and takes precedence, so parens are necessary to override that12:28
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sdagueclarkb: for when you wake up, I might have found one of the things that is gumming up ES. The timestamped grenade log wasn't backported to icehouse, so we're sending in the grenade log as a single line to logstash.12:30
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sdaguewhen we do havana -> icehouse grenade12:30
sdagueI pushed the backport12:30
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sdaguehopefully that makes things better12:30
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yolandahi, having some issues in tempest, anyone has seen that? http://paste.openstack.org/show/85063/12:33
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mriedemyolanda: you're missing oslo.config12:33
mriedemsudo pip install oslo.config12:33
yolandamriedem, i have it, it looks as a problem with conflicting versions12:34
mriedemsdague: nice catch on the grenade logs12:34
yolandain /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages, there is a oslo.config.egg-link, points to /opt/stack/new/oslo.config, and it's there12:34
mriedemeveryone loves a multi-thousand line db entry12:34
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mriedemyolanda: what does "pip show oslo.config" show?12:35
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move glanceclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299212:35
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sdaguemriedem: yeh, I tripped over it working with kashyap on his query12:36
yolanda---12:36
yolandaName: oslo.config12:36
yolandaVersion: 1.3.0.3.g248939712:36
yolandaLocation: /opt/stack/new/oslo.config12:36
yolandaRequires: six12:36
sdagueand was like .... wtf is this12:36
sdaguethen hit my head on my desk, as I realized I'd forgotten the backport12:36
kashyap:-) /me got distracted by a phone, bbiab and submit that change12:36
dhellmannmriedem, yolanda : the egg-link is an indication that the library was installed with "pip install -e". We can't mix editable mode libs in the oslo namespace with regular libs in the same namespace. Make sure you either install all oslo libs with -e or none of them.12:36
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dhellmannmriedem, yolanda : devstack is no longer using the -e flag for this reason.12:37
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yolandadhellmann, that results comes from a devstack run12:37
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adds a docs-specs repository  https://review.openstack.org/10311512:38
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yolandadhellmann, and pip show oslo.db shows that12:38
yolanda---12:38
yolandaName: oslo.db12:38
yolandaVersion: 0.2.012:38
yolandaLocation: /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages12:38
yolandaRequires: alembic, Babel, iso8601, lockfile, oslo.config, SQLAlchemy, sqlalchemy-migrate, stevedore12:38
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yolandaso it's mixing 2 types of libs and that fails?12:38
dhellmannyolanda: right, something has installed oslo.config "editable" and oslo.db normally and that's causing your problem. The trick is usually to figure out what is installing things in the different modes. :-)12:38
yolandadhellmann, i noticed that if i remove oslo.db from there, keystone-manage can find oslo.config fine12:38
* dhellmann nods12:39
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yolandadhellmann, do you know if that has been reported upstream ? trying to check if it's our bug or something generla12:39
yolandai didn't see any failure like that in rechecks12:39
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dhellmannwe've had this problem before, but we modified devstack to not use -e for oslo libraries to avoid it12:39
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dhellmannit is a known issue in setuptools, and they aren't sure how to fix it12:40
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yolandadhellman, i see, our code looks a bit different, we may need some syhnc12:43
mordreddhellmann: have I mentioned how frustrating I find that bug?12:43
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dhellmannmordred: yes. maybe we can find someone to help the setuptools folks fix it?12:44
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mordredhrm.12:44
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mordreddhellmann: I think the only thing harder to find at the moment than good openstack engineers are good engineers who understand setuptools12:44
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dhellmannI continue to believe that maintaining backwards compatibility with setuptools was not the best path. Rip the bandaid off quickly.12:45
dhellmannyeah12:45
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dhellmannI don't know any who aren't already working on it. :-)12:45
fungimordred: good engineers who understand setuptools and want to work on it12:45
dhellmannyes, good qualifier12:45
fungirarest of the rare12:45
mordreddhellmann: yah. not to make other language references...12:45
mordreddhellmann: but sort of like making maven a completely new thing that was not related to ant12:46
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mordredbiggest problem with that in our world is that nobody likes to give up their snowflakes12:46
dhellmannyeah12:46
fungisort of like making ant a completely new thing that was not related to make?12:46
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mordredso we'd just wind up with another thing12:46
mordredfungi: yah12:46
mordredsetuptools seems to be the only single thing you can actually count on in the python world12:47
dhellmannnick's current plan of tackling the packaging side first is probably the most sane12:47
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dhellmannwhen we all move to wheels, we'll have rainbows for breakfast12:47
* dhellmann needs some breakfast12:47
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joaAny member of the infra team to answer a question about a pending system account request ? :)12:48
openstackgerritKashyap Chamarthy proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Update signature for bug 1331274  https://review.openstack.org/10311212:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1331274 in grenade "Logs are not getting created for services in Grenade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133127412:48
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yolandamodred, jeblair, i saw your review and i think it's accurate. But i was following mordred guidelines, i wanted to check with you both if it will be ok to work in that direction, or first have a working version and do the other change for later, etc12:49
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move heatclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299312:58
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for bug 1334898  https://review.openstack.org/10297913:01
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1334898 in openstack-ci "reqs integration job fails with /home/jenkins/mirror_package_list.txt: No such file or directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133489813:01
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for nova create_image race bug 1334345  https://review.openstack.org/10311913:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1334345 in nova "Unexpected task state: expecting [None] but the actual state is powering-off" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133434513:09
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move ironicclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299413:17
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anteayajoa: you aren't being too demanding13:18
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anteayajoa: please subscribe to the list, conversations that affect third party systems take place on that list13:18
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anteayajoa: pleia2 is one of the curators of taht list, when she sees the pending post she will let it through13:19
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anteayathimble: hi there13:19
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anteayathimble: your best first course is to get involved as much as possible in openstack13:19
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anteayathimble: the more you understand how your system artifacts will be consumed by the openstack developers and reviewers, the better your default decisions about your system will be13:20
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anteayathimble: here is a document you can read: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html13:20
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anteayathimble: here are patches to that document that have resulted from conversations https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z13:21
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anteayathimble: here is information about the third party meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty13:22
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anteayathimble: please do attend13:22
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joaanteaya: alright, I'll subscribe then (I'm a great fearer of the too-many-mails-i-dont-read kind of guy). thanks13:27
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anteayajoa: ahhh, that is a fear you must face or address somehow with openstack13:28
anteayayou will have more emails than you can look at13:29
anteayaI don't know of anyway around it13:29
anteayait is a primary source of communication13:29
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joaanteaya: well, made some filters for openstack-dev :p13:29
anteayajoa: can you create an separate email list only email address?13:29
anteayagood start13:30
anteayagerrit sends email too13:30
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joayup saw that13:30
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joaI guess I should wait for my original request to pass through13:31
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anteayato join the infra ml?13:32
joanope, to get the actual account :p13:32
anteayano, won't make any difference to your pending email post13:32
anteayaah13:32
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joawell, still struggling with the setup anyways13:32
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anteayayeah, don't send multiple emails about the account13:32
anteayathe email will post, I'll look for it13:33
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joaok13:33
anteayajoa: yeah, it takes a bit to get the hang of it13:33
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anteayafor those interested I have sent an email to cindyo's co-worker to ask her to check her email client13:33
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anteayahopefully cindyo checks her irc client soon13:34
anteayasorry to check her irc client13:34
anteayaI had email on the brain13:34
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joaseem ot be having network issues :o13:35
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anteayajoa: yeah, hopefully she will read the email soon and take a look at it13:36
anteayaI'm hoping she becomes more active in channel, I have enjoyed our early interactions13:37
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joashe's come recently to openstack ?13:37
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: add network_sanity_check  https://review.openstack.org/10197613:46
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move keystoneclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299513:49
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openstackgerritAntoine Musso proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Apply defaults to job-templates parameters  https://review.openstack.org/10002013:53
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mordredfungi, ttx: forgive me for being AFK for most of the week - is proposed/* supported in the system now?13:54
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openstackgerritAntoine Musso proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Integration tests for templates defaults  https://review.openstack.org/10313414:00
anteayajoa: yes, she is new to openstack14:00
anteayajoa: and I'm hoping she contributes more and feels welcome14:00
ttxmordred: jeblair saud it does not actually require anything to be done14:01
ttxmordred: except a few tools updates and ACL changes at the margin14:01
ttxmordred: I have a review for you though14:01
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ttxmordred: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102812/14:02
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joaanteaya: okay :)14:03
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anteayajoa: :D14:04
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hasharmordred: I really like your reply to ansible/jjb/zuul email.  I still can't believe JJB and ansible yaml definitions are so close.14:14
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openstackgerritLonggeek proposed a change to openstack-infra/gear: Update from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/10314414:18
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mordredhashar: right? it's kind of crazy isn't it?14:21
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hasharmordred: that is close to ideal.14:22
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for nova create_image race bug 1334345  https://review.openstack.org/10311914:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1334345 in nova "Unexpected task state: expecting [None] but the actual state is powering-off" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133434514:22
mordredhashar: yah - I was really excited about it when I realized it14:22
hasharmordred: mapping builders/publishers/wrappers to tasks might not be trivial though :-]14:22
mordredhashar: might not be14:22
mordredI don't think we achieve this overnight for sure :)14:22
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openstackgerritRyan Petrello proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Gate pecan against designate.  https://review.openstack.org/10314614:23
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lifelessmordred: I've remembered why I needed that 'install local pbr' patch14:25
lifelessmordred: something triggers downloads from pypi when one just runs the test suite14:26
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mordredlifeless: hrm. interesting14:27
lifelessmordred: for now I'm going to ignore14:28
lifeless-> office14:28
mordredlifeless: yah. we should fix at some point though14:28
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mordredlifeless: there is definitely something squirelly going on14:29
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openstackgerritLonggeek proposed a change to openstack-infra/gear: Update from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/10314414:33
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move ceilometerclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299614:36
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openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack-infra/reviewstats: Added skraynev to heat-core  https://review.openstack.org/10315214:38
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move neutronclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299714:44
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Removing the Blazar API health check  https://review.openstack.org/10294514:48
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move novaclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299814:57
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jeblairhashar: good morning!  i've gotten through a lot of my backlog and started reviewing zuul changes!  :)15:07
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hasharjeblair: awesome!15:08
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hasharjeblair: I ported the devstack gate shell script of doom to python.  Ie to easily clone multi repositories and fetch the Zuul ref / matching branch if available15:08
hasharjeblair: doing so, I added a few tiny methods to Merger / Repo.  They might just work15:08
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jeblairhashar: yeah, that's next on my list; i'm excited :)15:09
hasharthe python devstack-gate cloner is a different horse though.  It miss a lot of features from your shell script and probably has slightly different behavior15:09
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hasharI have added a comment on it that points to an example run on my setup15:10
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move swiftclient default test node to trusty.  https://review.openstack.org/10299915:12
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anteayajeblair: can you add this to your list of things to revisit? I replied to your comment: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102538/15:15
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jeblairanteaya: it makes it hard to review if there are two changes that change the same text in different ways :(15:20
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anteayajeblair: it does, I agree15:22
anteayabut given the nature of conversation around each and every patch to the third party file15:22
anteayaI shy away from making changes dependent on each other15:23
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anteayathe patch right now is non contentious15:23
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anteayabut this change is very contentious: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101013/15:24
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anteayaso if I link them as a dependency, neither gets in for a long time15:24
anteayaand many third party ci people dismiss information in patches as "not official"15:25
anteayathe people who are looking for the "standards"15:25
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anteayaso they don't have to learn about openstack15:25
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anteayajeblair: what do you suggest?15:26
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jeblairanteaya: just understand that there's a cost to doing that, which is another round of reviews once one of those merges.  i do not need any more reviews.15:27
jeblairanteaya: i would stack them from least-contentious to most-contentious15:27
anteayaI never know which one is going to be contentious when I create the patch15:27
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anteayathe name format one was something we had been talking about at a few infra meetings15:28
anteayaand so I thought we were all good15:28
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anteayait has blown up in ways I never could predict15:28
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mordredjogo, sdague: you guys work on the actual project ... tell me again why we use eventlet?15:28
anteayaif i knew it was going to be an issue with certain people I would have made an effort to ensure these people attended the infra meetings from the beginning15:28
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anteayajeblair: I understand you want fewer reviews to do15:29
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anteayaI'm actually hoping the infra-manual can have a section on third party ci that has entirely separate files15:30
sdaguemordred: that predates me15:30
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anteayaso changes to one file can moulder for a while while another uncontested change can merge15:30
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sdaguethe general argument for an async framework is that it makes the code easier to understand15:30
mordredsdague: I just read the "marconi works in python 3.3" thread - which led me to discover that they don't use eventlet15:31
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sdaguemordred: what's their model?15:31
mordredsdague: I probably disagree with that argument :)15:31
mordredsdague: dunno - was just goign to look in to that15:31
jeblairmordred: i'm pretty sure i disagree with it :)15:31
sdagueyeh, I'm not going to defend anything one way or another15:31
mordredsdague: :)15:32
sdaguebut changing just moves bugs around15:32
mordredsdague: wise man15:32
mordredsdague: I'm mostly just whinging15:32
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flaper87we don't ship any wsgi container, we just ship a wsgi app and the deployer chooses whatever they want. (gunicorn, uwsgi, etc)15:32
flaper87(re marconi ^)15:32
flaper87sdague: ^15:32
sdagueflaper87: so how do you deploy in devstack?15:32
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flaper87sdague: with wsgiref (which is built-in in python)15:32
flaper87but that's not supposed to be used in production15:33
mordredflaper87: you could probably use morganfainberg 's apache/mod_wsgi work then?15:33
mordred(in devstack)15:33
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sdagueflaper87: does that mean you are going to collapse under parallel calls?15:33
jeblairanteaya: where is the 'must request via email' change?15:33
sdaguein the gate15:33
morganfainbergoooh mod_wsgi work in devstack I hear!15:33
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anteayajeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101013/7/doc/source/third_party.rst15:34
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morganfainbergflaper87, if you're up for mod_wsgi to begin with please use the work i've been getting shuffled in for keystone15:34
jeblairanteaya: oh it is that one15:34
anteayajeblair: I tied it into the name format patch as a way of trying to reduce reviews15:34
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morganfainbergflaper87, long term i'm hoping to be able to offer other alternatives as well (gunicorn, uwsgi, etc)15:34
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mordredmorganfainberg: we all just discovered that marconi neither ships a wsgi container nor uses eventlet15:35
anteayaI can remove the must request via email as its own patch if you want, that point doesn't seem to be a problem15:35
jeblairanteaya: i think you should move it into 10253815:35
anteayaI can do that15:35
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mordredmorganfainberg: speaking of other alternatives - if you happen to know or learn how to use uwsgi with apache I'd love to learn things15:35
morganfainbergmordred, well, it definitely has something going for it :) No eventlet!15:35
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morganfainbergmordred, i've only used uwsgi with nginx15:35
mordredmorganfainberg: yah. that seems to be the general model15:36
morganfainbergmordred, but i'll keep you in the loop once I figure out if apache can do it (without dirty evil hacking/badness)15:36
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morganfainbergflaper87, let me know if you need any help.15:36
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mordredmorganfainberg: I'm trying to move stackalytics into infra - and their current deployment is nginx/uwsgi15:37
morganfainbergmordred, hm..15:37
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mordredmorganfainberg: but all of our stuff is apache and I'd rather not introduce another web server just for the heck of it15:37
morganfainbergmordred, uwsgi is pretty awesome.15:37
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flaper87morganfainberg: I'll take a look and let you know15:38
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morganfainbergmordred, a quick google search says mod_uwsgi?15:38
morganfainbergmordred, or mod_proxy_uwsgi15:38
morganfainbergmordred, http://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Apache.html15:38
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mordredmorganfainberg: neither of those show up in apt-cache search :(15:39
morganfainbergflaper87, the patches are up for review i still i think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101611/15:39
morganfainbergmordred, doh!15:39
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morganfainbergmordred, libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi15:39
morganfainbergmordred saucy and later it looks like15:40
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morganfainberghttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi15:40
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morganfainbergbut it is just using it as basically ProxyPass, is that acceptable (not any reason we want direct socket connection?)15:41
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flaper87morganfainberg: seems doable for marconi too. thanks for the heads up15:41
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morganfainbergmordred, libapache2-mod-uwsgi should be available for precise15:42
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fungihrm, openstackgerrit left again15:43
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fungiclarkb: we've been consistently using ~3x as many bare-trusty nodes as bare-precise this morning, based on my ad-hoc observations15:43
morganfainbergfungi, openstackgerrrit has left the building15:43
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fungirestarted it15:43
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morganfainbergfungi, is it just netsplits or flood? or unknown15:44
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fungimorganfainberg: generally netsplits and irc server restarts... doesn't seem to self-heal well from interruptions15:45
morganfainbergah15:45
fungithat brought it back15:45
* fungi is heading to lunch... bbiaw15:45
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adds a docs-specs repository  https://review.openstack.org/10311515:48
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pleia2good morning15:51
pleia2no more conferences until August o/15:51
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mriedemcan someone link me to the nightly periodic job results/logs?15:56
openstackgerritAntoine Musso proposed a change to openstack-infra/git-review: Avoid a stacktrace when no reviews are pending  https://review.openstack.org/10317815:56
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sdaguemriedem: they are job specific, the qa ones get emailed to the openstack-qa list (which basically only exists for those posts)15:57
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mriedemsdague: ok thanks15:57
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mriedemlooks like bknudson just found that15:57
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openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adds Third Party CI account name format directions  https://review.openstack.org/10101315:58
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anteayajeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102538/3/doc/source/third_party.rst16:00
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anteayathanks16:00
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openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Added search interface  https://review.openstack.org/9997516:10
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Moved template files into related modules  https://review.openstack.org/10318116:10
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Renamed module folders for consistency  https://review.openstack.org/10318216:10
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Tag Complete directive has proper focus behavior  https://review.openstack.org/10318316:10
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openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Fix gate-trove-functional-dsvm-{datastore}  https://review.openstack.org/10317216:27
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kashyapsdague, When you get a moment, if this looks sensible, can you ACK it? -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103112/  I see Grenade time outs now for Cinder scheduler fails & times out16:39
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kashyapI checked in #openstack-cinder, and folks there said, they tried to debug a similar  timeout issue just a few mins ago but couldn't find enough info from the logs16:40
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sdaguekashyap: approved, thanks16:46
kashyapThank you, sir.16:46
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Update signature for bug 1331274  https://review.openstack.org/10311216:49
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1331274 in grenade "Logs are not getting created for services in Grenade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133127416:49
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openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Fix gate-trove-functional-dsvm-{datastore}  https://review.openstack.org/10317216:50
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morganfainbergsdague, (hate to bug ya) if you have a second to approve this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102340/ it's needed so we can get keystonemiddleware into devstack (since gate can't clone, needs to be done before devstack starts)16:57
morganfainbergsdague, and i don't want to do any conversions to middleware w/o this in place16:58
sdaguemorganfainberg: +A16:58
morganfainbergsdague, tyvm! :)16:59
morganfainbergmuch appreciated16:59
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clarkbmorning17:00
clarkbfungi: cool17:00
clarkbsdague: nice find on the grenade thing17:02
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clarkbsdague: the current huge spike in backlog is :(17:02
clarkbsdague: but thats the classic volume went crazy under us symptom17:03
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clarkbarg I should just go through the pain of swapping in ssd volumes17:03
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clarkbfungi: jeblair ^ what do you think about that? I can do it without data loss and without bumping volume quota if I take one ES node out at a time, delete its non ssd volume, add an ssd volume, then restart the service17:04
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clarkbit will then recover the indexes from the other nodes, rinse and repeat17:04
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sdagueclarkb: I think it might also be worth adding a maxlen flag to os-loganalyze, then you could cull those screw ups17:06
sdagueinstead of parsing a 2MB log line17:06
sdaguewhich I'm sure grok loves17:06
clarkbsdague: ++17:06
clarkbI don't think I can do the ssd swap out until monday (going to drive to portland real soon now and need to catch up on reviews)17:07
sdagueoh... actually, I don't think we can catch that, now that I think about it17:07
clarkbbut at this point I think I am resigned to needing to do something like that17:07
clarkbsdague: you can truncate maybe?17:07
clarkbI can truncate my side too before groking it17:07
sdagueyeh, but it's not our lines that are the problem17:07
sdagueit's the multiline part of grok17:08
sdaguenever finding a date17:08
clarkboh right17:08
sdagueand piling it all into one line17:08
clarkbso it just appends over and over17:08
sdagueyeh17:08
clarkbreally we just need json logs17:09
clarkband I need to find time to make that happen17:09
clarkbshould just be an oslo logging sync and config update for most project I hope17:09
clarkbthen an overhaul of the grok stuff to just stop groking and passthrough stuff that is already grokked17:10
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sdagueclarkb: isn't that going to make it unreadable for humans though?17:10
clarkbsdague: not necessarily. Your os loganalyze can preset the data in a much saner way if the data is meaningful17:11
clarkbalso I don't really care about humans too much when we are talking terabytes of data17:11
clarkbbecause humans can't comprehend it anyways17:11
sdaguesure, but people actually download these things as well17:11
sdagueto look through them17:11
clarkbright so you would do the systemd journald thing and pipe through a tool17:12
clarkbto eg give me all nova errors17:12
mordred++17:12
clarkbsdague: we spend massive amounts of cpu time trying to comprehend logs that the source could spend no time at all comprehending17:12
clarkbif we move the work to the source we get better results and only have to do it once17:13
sdagueclarkb: sure, though we need to make sure we don't actually make it harder for people to help with gate bugs, because if we do, we're sunk17:13
clarkbyup17:13
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clarkbthats why it hasn't just happened yet :)17:13
sdagueclarkb: so what about a flip side, and have os-loganalyze turn this all into json17:14
clarkbsdague: the problem is os-loganalyze doesn't have enough context17:14
clarkbsdague: I already convert it to json in the tooling17:14
clarkbbut I still have to parse/grok it17:14
clarkband make more json17:14
sdaguewhat's the missing context?17:14
clarkbsdague: this is a timestamp, this is a pid, this is a python module, this is an error level, this is the actual message, this is the client of the request, this is the request id, etc17:15
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clarkbsdague: there is a ton of info in the "message" that isn't really message and is just key value data17:15
openstackgerritHenry Gessau proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Proper passing of SUDO flag for neutron functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/10319617:15
sdagueclarkb: sure17:15
clarkbsdague: and the source always knows what those key values are17:16
clarkbsdague: because the source is passing in an args dict to do string substitution17:16
sdaguebut I was actually heading down the path off pulling that out heuristically anyway17:16
HenryGmarun: https://review.openstack.org/10319617:16
clarkbsdague: right I am saying that is a misappropriate allocation of cputime17:16
clarkbsdague: because the source knows all and should just tell you17:16
openstackgerritJoão Vale proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Allow using template variables in "defaults" field.  https://review.openstack.org/8533617:16
sdagueif it goes through the logger, and doesn't just vomit on the command line when it barfs :)17:17
clarkbsdague: ?17:17
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clarkboslo logging supports all of this apparently. So we just need to sync that code and deal with config17:17
sdagueright17:17
sdagueexcept we're not actually using oslo log files17:17
clarkbsdague: we are17:18
sdaguewe're redirecting oslo log to the console17:18
clarkbthats just a python logging thing17:18
sdagueand other things that hit the console, also show up17:18
clarkbyou can write to wherever17:18
sdagueright17:18
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sdagueI'm talking about the extra bits17:18
clarkbright the extra bits that we throw out today17:18
clarkbwe can avoid those by using log files17:18
clarkbor continue to throw them out17:18
sdagueno, we don't throw them out17:19
openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Integration tests for templates defaults  https://review.openstack.org/10313417:19
sdaguewe append them onto the last message17:19
clarkbsdague: the screen stuff is thrown out17:19
clarkbsdague: is that actual stdout/stderr or part of the message?17:19
clarkbI appeneded them because I thought it was part of the message17:19
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clarkbpython logging will do multiline output like htat17:19
sdaguewhat do you parse for n-cpu ?17:20
sdaguefor instance17:20
clarkbwe remove the screen bits at the beginning17:20
sdaguebut if the thing crashes at the end on the console, you still grab that right?17:20
clarkbthen anything matching the oslo format is a message. Anything not osloformat or not screen bits is appended17:20
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clarkbthe problem here is doing that parsing is expensive17:21
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clarkbreally really really expensive17:21
reedi need a new laptop, 4gb ram is not enough these days :(17:22
sdagueok, well we're already doing it today in os-loganalyze for html formating, it's just in a gorpy place17:22
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clarkbreed: it is not17:22
clarkbreed: even 8GB seems like too little whne you open a browser17:22
clarkbsdague: right and I think it is wrong to do the parsing there too17:23
clarkbsdague: ideally os-loganalyze would be more of os-logpresent17:23
reedclarkb, right? the browser ends up sucking most of the juice... I don't know how many times I had to kill firefox this week17:23
sdaguesure, if we came up with a good way that didn't make this harder for debug, that would be fine17:23
clarkbsdague: structured log output17:24
pelixantonym: = Antoine Musso?17:24
clarkbwith tooling to present it17:24
clarkbsdague: I really do think we need that. Becuase the best place to solve this problem is always at the source if you want correctness of interpretation17:25
clarkbsdague: makes changing "format" much simpler too17:25
clarkbbecause you can just add fields as long as you remain backward compat with existing fields17:25
sdagueclarkb: sure, it's just not straight forward to retrain folks that their logs can't be read without tools17:26
clarkbsdague: if people want that they can have the old logs17:26
clarkbsdague: I am not even sure we make this the default17:26
clarkbsdague: but given all of our requirements I think this is the best way forward17:26
clarkbbecause it is relatively easy to tell people to use something like journalctl. It is not easy to continue chasing all the logs and trying to parse them with a space heater farm17:27
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clarkbin fact, I wonder does journald accept json logs and just do the right thing (tm) in this case?17:27
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sdaguethat assumes you are on a distro that has that17:28
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clarkbit does and we aren't but its a clear indication of where things are headed17:28
sdaguesure17:28
clarkbin 2 years everyone will be there17:28
sdagueyep17:28
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sdagueok, so I guess my question is, if I make improvements to os-loganalyze that do more of this the current way, are you uniterested in that? Because it feels like we could get some short term wins there, and structured logs is going to be at least a medium time frame to attack.17:30
clarkbhttps://github.com/systemd/journald-cat maybe not json but at laest key value17:31
clarkbsdague: I think it would be interesting for short term. But we need a better long term answer and I think structured logging is that answer17:31
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sdagueclarkb: that's fine. I'm trying to build a separation layer so it would be pretty easy to adapt17:32
sdaguewe'd just change out the filter17:32
clarkbya17:32
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clarkbok time to drive17:33
clarkbjeblair: fungi: please let me know what you think about ssd volume rotation plan17:33
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fungiclarkb: what about using pvmove?17:33
fungiclarkb: we can free up the volume attached to the unused es0117:34
clarkbya so es01 can be freed and we can have spinning volume to ssd happen like that17:34
fungiclarkb: then add an ssd volume to an es cluster node, pvmove the vg to it, remove the old one, and so on17:34
clarkbeither way the elasticsearch service will have to be turned off17:34
clarkband I am not sure if its recovery mechanism will make a pvmove beneficial17:34
clarkbwe can try it17:34
fungipvmove will impact performance but I *think* it can happen hot17:35
* fungi double checks17:35
clarkbfungi: oh it can happen hot with super duper active writers and readers?17:35
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clarkbin that case its worth a shot17:35
fungii think it just gets delayed since it has to lock each block before moving17:35
clarkbgotcha17:35
fungiso if a block is in use it waits for the kernel to be done with it17:35
fungibut manpage. just a sec17:36
clarkband since its block level the mount and everything should continue to be happy17:36
openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Fix gate-trove-functional-dsvm-{datastore}  https://review.openstack.org/10317217:36
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fungiyeah, the pvmove manpage says nothing about the vg being inactive17:37
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clarkbcool in that case I say we give it a shot17:37
clarkbI can't babysit that today and really need to catch up on reviews so I think that is what I will focus on near term17:38
clarkbbut on monday I can give that a god17:38
clarkb*go17:38
fungipretty sure i used it to move from smaller to larger cinder volumes on static.o.o when we hit the virtual blockdev limit for rackspace's xen infrastructure17:38
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clarkbcool I like this plan17:38
fungitook about a week off an on, so i'm fairly positive i didn't have our logserver offline the entire time ;)17:38
clarkbyeah I expect this to take a bit of time as well17:39
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fungisince you have more than one node, you could probably hit two or three at a time without too much impact to performance17:39
fungiand maybe make it go a lot faster that way17:39
clarkbmaybe. May need to look at shard allocations for the active indexes17:39
clarkbas that is where all of the writing will be17:39
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clarkbbut ya definitely worth a go17:40
clarkbok really need to start driving now17:40
fungiget going. see you at the other end17:40
clarkbwill be afkish depending on service17:40
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antonympelix: nope :)17:41
fungipelix: looks like you want hashar (but during eu daytime hours)17:41
pelixantonym: sorry for the poke so17:41
antonymno prob17:42
pelixfungi: ah, thanks, guess it'll have to wait until Monday so :)17:42
fungipelix: take it as an excuse to start your weekend already ;)17:42
pelix:D17:44
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anteayaso everyone is aware I am taking next Tuesday off, it is Canada Day17:52
clarkbanteaya: have fun17:53
clarkbanteaya: the MURICANs will have friday off17:53
fungihappy dominion day anteaya!17:54
pleia2hehe17:54
clarkbtethering in car. still not sure if great idea or terrible idea17:55
sdaguecan someone promote this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103090/ - it's our top race bug atm17:55
fungiclarkb: i do that in the car with a wireless modem. the biggest annoyance is glare on the screen17:55
pleia2clarkb: depends on whether you're driving :D17:56
clarkbfungi: for me the problem has been seattle road surfaces making typing hard17:56
sdague113 fails in 24hrs / 114 fails in 14 days17:56
clarkbpleia2: I am not driving :)17:56
anteayaclarkb: thanks17:56
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anteayafungi: ha ha ha17:56
clarkbsdague: looking17:56
clarkbsdague: maybe I can do something useful from car17:56
anteayaguess it will be quiet in here next friday then, right?17:56
pleia2anteaya: yeah17:56
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anteayasince all I can do is shrug and answer questions, point to launchpad bugs17:57
pleia2June got away from me, I'm not ready for July yet :\17:57
clarkbfungi: sdague: process on that is to enqueue into the gate and then promote?17:57
anteayapleia2: are you conferencing still?17:57
fungiclarkb: i'm going to give it one more minute to finish its last job17:57
clarkbfungi: ok17:57
fungiclarkb: otherwise yes that would have been it (or if it fails out)17:57
openstackgerritPeter Stachowski proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Fix gate-trove-functional-dsvm-{datastore}  https://review.openstack.org/10317217:58
anteayapleia2: there is at least one post to the infra list that needs your blessing to appear17:58
anteayapleia2: could you bless it?17:58
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sdaguealso, this grenade console logs not starting on hpcloud makes me sad panda. I guess I'm going to figure out how to get rid of screen entirely next week17:59
fungisdague: promoted now17:59
sdaguefungi: thanks17:59
clarkbsdague: :(17:59
openstackgerritDenis M. proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Fix gate-trove-functional-dsvm-{datastore}  https://review.openstack.org/10317217:59
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sdaguemy retry logic apparently didn't make it any better, it just moved the name of the error18:00
pleia2anteaya: I am home now, no more conferences until August, and I let all mail through a few hours ago, so it should all be on list now18:00
kashyapsdague, Will we be using 'tmux' instead ;)18:01
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clarkbI doubt tmux would help18:02
clarkbthere is a deeper issue of enocputime18:02
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sdagueoh, wait a minute18:04
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sdaguewe lost a part of the filter18:04
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sdaguekashyap: oops, we deleted too much18:05
openstackgerritSean Dague proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: update 1331274 to ignore neutron  https://review.openstack.org/10320718:07
sdagueyeh, question, Related-Bug: isn't posting to lp?18:07
sdagueis that intentional?18:07
openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Apply defaults to job-templates parameters  https://review.openstack.org/10002018:07
openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Integration tests for templates defaults  https://review.openstack.org/10313418:07
anteayapleia2: cool, glad you have a break18:07
anteayaI'm looking for an email requesting a ci account18:08
* anteaya goes to the infra archives18:08
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fungisdague: i'd need to know specifics (like the change number)18:11
fungisdague: related bug does i think normally post a comment on the bug18:11
anteayajoa: okay looking at the infra archives, which pleia2 says she just cleared all posts to: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/date.html18:12
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/103090/18:12
clarkbianw: 101110 looks good thanks18:12
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anteayajoa: I don't see a request for a third party ci system today18:12
clarkbfungi: jeblair ^ I think that change is worth considering now18:12
sdaguefungi: or does it only comment on merge?18:12
fungisdague: the header was added on a later patchset18:12
fungisdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103090/1..2//COMMIT_MSG18:13
sdaguefungi: yeh18:13
fungisdague: only works if it's included in ps118:13
sdagueso that can't take on later patchesets?18:13
sdagueoh, bummer18:13
sdagueis that fixable?18:13
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anteayaclarkb fungi trouble one of you for an easy +A? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102376/18:13
sdagueor changable18:13
sdaguebecause we get a lot of - please add bug number18:13
fungisdague: it doesn't keep any state, and would need to scrape earlier bug comments or interpret inter-patchset diffs18:13
fungisdague: all doable options, just nobody has coded them yet18:14
anteayapleia2: can you add this to your list, if possible? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101361/18:14
sdagueI wonder how aweful it would be to post every time there is a new patch?18:14
fungisdague: so to avoid spamming the bug for every new patchset, it only updates on patchset #1 and merge/abandon18:14
sdagueyeh18:14
sdaguerealistically that's led to a lot of lost patches18:14
fungisdague: sounds worth prioritizing then18:15
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pleia2anteaya: sure thing, thanks for pointing it out, my queue is massive :)18:16
anteayapleia2: thanks, yeah I hear that18:16
anteayathanks for your reviews so far today18:16
sdagueclarkb: 103101,1 in gate is the 'don't kill logstash workers on old grenade logs that suck'18:16
sdaguebut it bounced off the nova bug that's promoted18:17
clarkbsdague: ok so it should get through in the nearish future18:17
sdagueyeh18:17
sdagueI'm keeping one eye on it18:17
clarkbanteaya: done18:18
clarkbsdague: cool18:18
clarkbmordred: I am going to review your ansible stack again now18:18
clarkbmordred: but will not approve things because in car with flaky internets and relying on gertty to sync18:18
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pleia2so happy to see so many tests moving to trusty \o/18:22
mordredclarkb: I will approve by hand one at a time when I can babysit18:23
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clarkbmordred: perfect18:24
anteayaclarkb: thank you18:25
clarkbpleia2: please feel free to propose more moves as you are able to test and confirm they work :)18:25
clarkbpleia2: I am trying to be extra careful about that after the pbr  requirements integration test derp18:25
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pleia2clarkb: will do18:26
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clarkbpleia2: oslo were next up and I wanted to be extra careful with them just because dhellman already had to suffer through one issue18:26
pleia2clarkb: oh boy :)18:26
clarkbpleia2: but also python3418:27
pleia2clarkb: ah right, trusty is 34 rather than 3318:27
clarkbpleia2: I think the sane way to go from python33 to python34 is to add a python34 job template separate of 33 using trusty nodes then we can double up projects and remove 33 when they are happy18:27
pleia2+118:27
clarkbor we can just switch all at once.18:27
pleia2maybe add a test for the first few moves?18:28
clarkbya18:28
zarofungi: would like your feeback on jeblair and lifeless comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/4793718:28
pleia2I'm not familiar enough with 33 to 34 to know how much will break18:28
fungii had assumed we'd have a separate python34 template with node:bare-trusty18:28
clarkbpleia2: I don't expect anything to berak18:28
fungipleia2: in theory very little should break18:28
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clarkbfungi: yup18:28
dhellmannthanks, clarkb :-)18:28
fungi3.3->3.4 is way less significant than 3.2->3.3 was18:29
pleia2just came across chuck's proposal for 34 jobs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102847/18:29
pleia2fungi: good to know18:29
fungidhellmann: we try to break your projects no more than once a week18:29
dhellmannfungi: I can live with that :-)18:29
clarkboh perfect people are ahead of me18:29
clarkbI like this18:29
kashyapsdague, Sorry, just read the scroll, from the ES query?18:30
pleia2(also woo, this means I'm catching up to today-era reviews, before my afternoon-of-meetings)18:30
sdaguekashyap: yeh18:30
sdaguethe NOT for the neutron fails was important in the old one18:30
kashyapErr18:31
kashyapsdague, I see you already fixed it -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103207/1/queries/1331274.yaml18:31
sdagueyeh18:31
joaanteaya: I received it today though18:32
anteayajoa: you recieved what today?18:32
kashyapsdague, Anything else I can do? Probably my ack there wouldn't matter?18:33
anteayait looks to me like we might be headed in the direction of node stuck in delete state18:33
anteayaanyone think the graph is showing that?18:33
anteayabesides me?18:33
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: update 1331274 to ignore neutron  https://review.openstack.org/10320718:33
fungianteaya: no, it just takes multiple tries for some of our providers to react to deletes, and so nodes stick around in a delete state longer the more load we're under18:33
anteayaah okay18:34
sdaguekashyap: nope, should be good once tha tlands18:34
anteayaglad there are more eyes on it than just mine18:34
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sdagueclarkb: I really wonder if the ES upticks are all these grenade log files18:35
fungianteaya: there are ~40 nodes which have been in a delete state for more than 3 hours and very few of those are >4 hours18:35
clarkbsdague: it could be18:35
clarkbsdague: though when I check the await is usually high on 07 or 0418:36
clarkbsdague: could be both events happening together18:36
sdagueyeh18:36
kashyapCan I also bother anyone with this, it'd fix some of the failing in my minimal Fedora DevStack setups  -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102490/18:36
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reedchmouel, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II4rlQY8f8s18:37
anteayafungi: yeah looks like a recent increase18:37
fungikashyap: you may want to ask in #openstack-qa as more devstack-core members hang out in there18:37
anteayafungi: thanks for the update18:38
kashyapfungi, Aha, thanks18:38
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clarkbjblm traffic, perfect for code review18:39
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clarkbmordred: ok full stack reviewed except the last one still has unaddressed comments18:40
clarkbmordred: now to look at the current state of dib nodepool18:40
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clarkbmordred: I think one of jeblairs comments should be addressed even though he +2'd so I -1'd18:47
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sdaguegah - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103090/ 2nd time bounced off the gate18:59
* sdague dislikes when top gate race can't be merged because of other gate races19:00
mordredsdague: I like that myself19:01
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fungisdague: it's back in front again19:04
reedis Mirantis OS free as in freedom?19:04
sdaguefungi: thanks19:04
fungiSergeyLukjanov: ^ if you're around, what's the distribution license for mirantis os?19:04
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fungii assume at least components of it (probably most of them) are under a variety of free software licenses since it's probably derivative of something19:05
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sdagueyeh, it seems like we've got a bunch of test suites running 10% fail rates19:06
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sdagueso our aggregate pass chance for a patch is about 60% right now for top of gate19:06
clarkbsdague: :(19:07
sdaguethis resize one is going to help, but it has to land19:07
clarkbmordred: what do you think of the /opt vs /var/lib thing?19:07
* fungi thinks /opt is fine unless puppetforge really has policies about where things should go. we're not building a linux distro or anything19:09
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clarkbya I don't think puppetforge cares19:09
fungiat the moment most of our vcsrepo objects clone into /opt19:09
clarkbmordred: also what do you think about remove the python3 node stuff from the dib patch that adds nodes?19:09
clarkbmordred: if we play our cards rgiht we can just trusty19:10
fungiso as much as i'm not generally a fan of continuing the existence of /opt, consistency wins for me19:10
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Announce openstack repo merges in #openstack-oslo  https://review.openstack.org/10237619:10
anteayadhellmann: ^^19:10
anteayaso do we need a bot restart to pick up that config change?19:10
fungianteaya: it restarts on its own19:11
anteayaawesome19:11
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anteayaI love the don't do anything option19:11
fungianteaya: if all goes smoothly, you should see it leave and rejoin in a few minutes19:11
anteayait is my favourite19:11
anteayacool19:11
* anteaya watches19:11
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mordredclarkb: because we still need to test stable branches on precise19:13
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mordredclarkb: oh - I guess we don't have any python3 gates for stable branches of anything do we?19:13
mordredreed: what's mirantis os?19:14
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mordredwait - do you guys mean Mirantis OpenStack?19:15
reedmordred, right, that19:15
fungimordred: right, we talked through it at the summit and concluded that stable branches currently have no promise of py3k support, so switching straight to python 3.4 for juno with no deprecation cycle is acceptable19:15
reedI see it called Mirantis OS19:15
anteayawhere?19:15
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mordredreed: ok. for what it's worth - OS to me is an acronym for "Operating System" - so I was confused19:15
anteayaI thought use of acryonoms like OS for openstack was taboo according to the trademark documentation19:15
mordredfungi: awesome19:15
* annegent_ chuckles19:16
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mordredanteaya: trademarks don't apply in that way here in channel19:16
dhellmannanteaya: thanks!19:16
joaanteaya: I meant I received my own request to the list this afternoon19:16
reedmordred, same here, it may well be Mirantis Operating System, I have no idea :) never tested it myself19:16
joa(ci request)19:16
reedhttps://software.mirantis.com/19:16
mordredI believe they call it "Mirantis OpenStack" in all of their marketing material19:16
mordredyeah. that's all "Mirantis OpenStack"19:17
mordredthey can also deploy it on top of Ubuntu or CentOS19:17
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anteayaVariations or abbreviations or combinations with any other marks: you may not use variations, foreign language equivalent or abbreviation of the OpenStack Marks for any purpose.19:18
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anteayahttp://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-trademark-policy/19:18
fungia goggles search for "mirantis os" turns up some old uses on their sites and in blog posts most of which have been swapped out now19:18
clarkbmordred no stable python319:18
mordredanteaya: yeah. unless you have an agreement with the foundation, which they do19:18
anteayamordred: that is why I asked where he was seeing it19:18
mordredanteaya: so "Mirantis OpenStack" is fine19:18
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reedmordred, you're correct, I relied on someone else's reference19:18
clarkbmordred and my connection sucks now :(19:18
anteayabut Mirantis OS?19:18
fungiclarkb: gertty!19:18
anteayathat is an abbreviation19:19
clarkbbut I think I got reviews up for your two big stacks19:19
clarkbfungi ya but its not conducive to live discussion19:19
anteayajoa: can you find your request in the infra archives, because I can't: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/date.html19:19
anteayajoa: can you link the url to the post taht is yours19:19
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anteayathere goes openstackgerrit19:21
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clarkband I need to look out a window19:22
anteayadhellmann: you should have the change picked up now19:22
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anteayadhellmann: let me know if you don't see merges19:22
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dhellmannanteaya: I'll keep an eye out19:23
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joaanteaya: i'll try19:24
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anteayadhellmann: great19:24
fungianteaya: joa is referring to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/001460.html19:24
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clarkbzaro the new change screen is still pretty bad. it fails at giving me info I need in a concise manner19:24
anteayaah that was sent wednesday19:25
joaanteaya: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/001460.html19:25
anteayathanks fungi19:25
joaoh already linked :p19:25
anteayajoa: great thanks19:25
fungijoa: also, i did already set that old account inactive and nulled out the login and e-mail address for it19:25
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anteayayeah, fungi is fast19:25
clarkbzaro it is still very cluttered wirh important related info hidden in different locations19:25
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zaroclarkb: i didn't say it was great, just prefer it over old screen :)19:25
joafungi: nice, thank you !19:25
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anteayajoa: nicely communicated19:26
sdagueclarkb: yeh, though honestly, that 'in conflict with' is huge19:26
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clarkbzaro I think if votes, comments, diff and dependencies were more of the focus I would use it19:26
sdaguethat would massively help figure out duplicate fixes for the same bug, which happens in nova all the time19:26
joaanteaya: thanks :)19:27
clarkbwith gertty I read commit, look at current votes, then open diff19:27
clarkbthen vote19:27
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clarkbthat has to be close to 95% of what everyone does19:27
fungiclarkb: i try to ignore current votes... there's probably no sane workflow optimization for that though19:27
clarkband the new change screen completely breaks that19:27
clarkbya I tried ignoring them but there are too many changes to review if they already have a good -119:28
fungiclarkb: also, gerrit's webui doesn't work well in a text terminal, so clearly deficient ;)19:28
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* fungi has *actually* interacted with the gerrit webui using console-based browsers on more than one occasion, frighteningly19:29
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clarkbsdague the new change screen has nice features but no workflow cohesiveness19:30
clarkbit just feels wrong to use19:30
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clarkbsdague: did horizon httplib2 fix get ptoposed?19:31
sdagueclarkb: yeh, I definitely have issues with the information flow. But that's a reason to have multiple interfaces and use them situationally19:31
sdagueclarkb: yeh19:31
sdagueclarkb: merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102954/19:31
clarkbgreat thanks19:32
anteayajoa: so I added fungi's comment in a reply to your email request: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-June/001464.html19:33
anteayajoa: SergeyLukjanov has been taking care of ci account requests so hopefully he should get to yours sometime next week19:33
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zaroclarkb: i don't see why your workflow in gerrty would be any harder when using new change screen?19:36
zaroreminds me i still need to get gerrty workin gon my mac.19:36
clarkbzaro comments and votes are more decoupled19:37
clarkband dependencies are completely hidden19:37
mordredclarkb: but how would that affect gertty?19:37
zarook. doubling comments and votes does help.  but i guess that's what david's proposal is supposed to fix.19:37
clarkbmordred: it doesnt19:38
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mordreddid we ever land that javascript patch to hide things?19:38
clarkbmordred trying to use gertty as example of not terrible ui for what people actually do19:38
mordredah19:38
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zarofungi: ignore current votes?  what if there was a per user option to hide votes?19:38
mordredbtw - I need to write a next key19:38
jrollclarkb: hey, running that ironic agent post job again - where do the logs tail to?19:39
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fungizaro: it's more that i try not to pay much attention to existing votes on a change until after i look through the diff, then i check to see what others may have commented/voted (and check that their suggestions were followed if relevant)19:40
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clarkbjroll http://logs.openstack.org/first2charsofsha1/sha119:41
zarofungi: hidden by default, expand to view?19:41
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jrollclarkb: hrm, that's what I thought, but is 404ing :/19:41
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fungijroll: what's the commit? keep in mind it may be a merge commit of your change and the tip of the branch, rather than the sha of your change19:42
jrolllooking at: http://logs.openstack.org/3c/3c09b3975fea0d26f3c563108f4fe07a5c58a6cb for the commit https://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack/ironic-python-agent.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c09b3975fea0d26f3c563108f4fe07a5c58a6cb19:42
jrollah, right19:42
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jrollclarkb: that sha is the tip, hmm19:42
fungijroll: so figure out the commit sha from the remote (either by looking at cgit or doing a git remote update)19:43
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fungizaro: that might work out19:43
jrollfungi: right, I did that, I have the correct sha19:43
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openstackgerritAntoine Musso proposed a change to openstack-infra/gerritlib: Doc generation support  https://review.openstack.org/9486119:44
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fungijroll: this? http://logs.openstack.org/b4/b4961f846e561d55162323478e43825e85584614/post/ironic-python-agent-buildimage-coreos/d3c134d/console.html19:45
fungioh, wait, i picked the wrong sha19:45
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jrollfungi: right, it 404s right now... I thought it tailed as it went but maybe I need to wait for the job to finish?19:46
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fungijroll: yep, search http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ for 3c09b3919:47
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jrollyeah, it's in the post pipeline19:47
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jrollI was just hoping to watch as it ran19:47
fungijroll: you can expand the commit in the status view and click the job name once it has a worker assigned and is in progress19:47
fungijroll: that job name will be hyperlinked to the jenkins master associated with the worker running it at that point, and you can click the console link to watch the output from the job as it runs19:48
jrollah ha, so it still hasn't started. I see, thanks fungi :)19:48
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Remove template for syncing python 2 mirror  https://review.openstack.org/9679919:50
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Ignore .egg directories  https://review.openstack.org/9625019:50
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Remove unused pypi jobs from projects  https://review.openstack.org/9625119:50
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fungisdague: that nova fix finally landed19:53
anteayadhellmann: this patch can use a confirmation from you that pylockfile is destined for inclusion in olso: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101911/19:53
sdague\o/19:54
mordredthat's exciting19:54
mordreddhellmann: I hope I didn't cause too much trouble by being all like "hey, we could still work on it"19:55
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dhellmannanteaya: we have a spec for the team to discuss that (I left details on the review)19:57
dhellmannmordred: ?19:57
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anteayadhellmann: okay, I will wait for your affirmation before I review that patch then19:59
dhellmannanteaya: thanks, jd__ got a little ahead of us there :-)19:59
anteayadhellmann: once you have made a decision, bring it to my attention, whatever it is19:59
dhellmannanteaya: definitely19:59
anteayadhellmann: funny how I can believe that19:59
anteaya:D19:59
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anteayafungi: can you take a look at why this patch is no longer able to be tested in check? your combine infra gerrit groups patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102271/20:08
fungianteaya: merge conflict. that stack of changes is going to merge conflict within 24 hours on average. it's the reason i basically automated generation of the changes and documented how to update them in the commit messages20:09
anteayado you want me to follow the documents and generate a new patchset?20:10
joaanteaya: good, thank you :)20:10
fungianteaya: the idea is that as long as nobody spots obvious issues with the methodology, we'll pick a time for me to just generate fresh commits with the script and then approve them immediately so they don't instantly go stale20:10
anteayajoa: you are welcome20:10
anteayafungi: ah okay, I will review with that in mind20:11
fungianteaya: but there's no rush on them20:11
anteayaI tend to look at the jenkins state before I dive in20:11
anteayasure but I would like to clear the pending acl changes from my list20:11
anteayaI would like to learn how to review a new kind of file20:11
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openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Integration tests for templates defaults  https://review.openstack.org/10313420:16
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anteayafungi: how do you feel about getting rid of refs/for/refs in individual acl files? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/gerrit/acls/openstack/keystone.config20:18
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openstackgerritPablo Andres Fuente proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Moved Tempest regex outside pre_test_hook  https://review.openstack.org/10323320:20
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fungianteaya: good question... it looks like keystone-core has the ability to propose merge commits to keystone. that may be in support of the feature branch model described at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GerritJenkinsGit#Merge_Commits20:21
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anteayafungi: so refs/for/refs allows the group with permissions to submit merge commits to gerrit20:26
anteayaI wonder if that is what keystone actually wants to do20:26
fungianteaya: they were using a feature branch to work on a replacement api at one point, i think20:27
anteayawhen I talked with morganfainberg about it when he had the keystonemiddleware patch up, neither he nor I knew what refs/for/refs did20:27
morganfainberganteaya, i don't think we ever used the merge20:27
anteayahmmmm20:27
anteayamorganfainberg: do you still need the permissions to be able to do that?20:27
morganfainberganteaya, we cherry-pick/port code as needed20:27
morganfainberganteaya, well we removed the permissions from keystoneclient :P20:27
anteayaif no, I'd like to remove refs/for/refs from keystone.config20:27
anteayamorganfainberg: yes we did20:28
morganfainberganteaya, but we can probably remove refs/for/refs from keystone20:28
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morganfainbergworst case scenario20:28
morganfainbergwe add them back20:28
anteayamorganfainberg: agreed20:28
anteayathanks20:28
morganfainbergit's not a big deal on either side nor a big change20:28
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anteayafungi: do you want me to put that in a seperate change?20:28
anteayamorganfainberg: great, thanks20:28
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Bump minimum pbr version to 0.6 and requ argparse module  https://review.openstack.org/10308720:28
fungiso poked a little more at these broken changes... you can find them by short commit number but not the long commit id... go to https://review.openstack.org/23447 and then click on its commit id linked in the commit message. fun stuff20:29
fungianteaya: yes, changing policy/behavior is outside the scope of that series of changes i submitted. mine are all about being no-op cleanup/reordering20:29
anteayaokay I will offer a separate patch for removing refs/for/refs from keystone.config20:30
fungianteaya: in theory my acl patches should not change the behavior of acl enforcement for any project20:30
anteayaI'll also look at what other acls have it that might not need it20:30
anteayafungi: nod20:30
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anteayahow many characters is the short commit number?20:31
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anteayaI've tried 6 and 8 and neither work20:31
fungianteaya: the integer change number... 2344720:32
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anteayawow20:34
fungii still can't find any errors logged in gerrit suggesting why queries (in the gui or webui) fail to find it20:35
anteayayou can't search on sha anymore, or change id20:35
anteayawow20:35
fungier, in the webui or cli20:35
fungiit's gotta be something gone sideways in the db for those changes, i just haven't been able to spot what20:36
anteayakk20:36
anteayaI'll leave it with you20:36
anteayathis is how I confirm candidates for elections20:36
anteayaone way, anyway20:36
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fungiit might be affecting entire projects... i see the same behavior on the parent of that change too... https://review.openstack.org/2312720:38
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fungithe only two projects i've seen it affecting are puppet modules we haven't merged anything new into since before we switched infra projects back from cherry-pick to merge20:40
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anteayayeah okay it is working for infra-manual20:43
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fungiaha, it seems to maybe be affecting any change which used the cherry-pick method. here's one from the same timeframe in the config repo... https://review.openstack.org/2345520:50
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fungiso i think the impact is likely to be very small, and can probably be worked around by manually merging a trivial change to affected repos, then rebasing outstanding changes which are parented on cherry-picked commits20:51
fungizaro: any guesses what could be going on to cause that?20:52
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/puppet-dashboard: Update source and homepage URL metadata  https://review.openstack.org/10324021:00
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/puppet-dashboard: Update source and homepage URL metadata  https://review.openstack.org/10324021:01
* zaro has big headache21:01
zarofungi: not following, what's the problem21:02
zaro?21:02
fungizaro: gerrit searches for the change id of https://review.openstack.org/23455 seem not to work, for example21:02
fungizaro: or any gerrit ssh query for that change21:02
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fungizaro: seems to affect any old changes we have which used the cherry-pick submission method in gerrit21:03
zarooddly sounds familiar.  but don't remember where i've seen before.  however i believe the fix was to let gerrit re-index.21:03
fungizaro: for a handful of older projects we have which we haven't merged anything into since before we switched back off cherry-pick, zuul is failing to enqueue jobs for new changes because gerrit parents them on a change you can't query21:04
fungizaro: re-index being the fix suggests that we somehow haven't indexed since upgrading?21:04
fungithese changes are more than a year old21:05
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zaroohh, well then i'm probably wrong.21:05
anteayare have reindexed21:06
openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/puppet-dashboard: Add Rakefile file and dd variables and document  https://review.openstack.org/10279621:06
anteayaI think clarkb did it21:06
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fungimy theory on a workaround has proved out. made a small documentation change to openstack-infra/puppet-dashboard (which zuul of course couldn't test because it couldn't query teh parent change), then force submitted it as a project bootstrapper, then rebased one of the outstanding changes on that and zuul tested it21:07
zaropuppet script will do it too.21:07
fungii'll do the same to the other known affected project as well, and we can keep that solution in mind if we run across any more or someone can dig deeper and open a bug with gerrit upstream if they're particularly concerned by it (i don't expect us to use the cherry-pick option on projects in the future after we determined the obvious down-sides to it anyway)21:11
zarofungi: looks like someone else has reported as well.. https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=102321:11
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fungizaro: huh... and supposedly fixed in the version we were using back when those changes were created21:12
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove old queries for fixed bugs  https://review.openstack.org/10254721:12
fungiperhaps a regression21:13
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fungizaro: also, in our case, it's not just search by git commit sha which is broken, but also by gerrit change id and gerrit change number21:14
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zarogerrit change number == change id?21:15
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fungizaro: in the case of https://review.openstack.org/23455 queries by git commit sha (120b366247e8ccb0d3a74a4b700418b613a2f439) gerrit change id (Iceadd57e5008f2289fb5e5c546a40f0f9ededc7c) and gerrit change number (23455) all fail21:16
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fungiand in the changes and patch_sets tables in the db they all look correct21:17
fungias well as in the git repo itself21:17
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zarohmm, does sound like a regression.  i'll test with a clean gerrit install to verify.21:18
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fungizaro: yeah, i wonder if this has to be a change submitted in gerrit 2.4 using cherry-pick, then upgraded to 2.821:19
fungilike maybe the search index isn't picking up any of the cherry-pick changes21:19
fungidue to some missing db migration21:20
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/puppet-vcsrepo: Add source and homepage URL metadata  https://review.openstack.org/10324321:22
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/puppet-vcsrepo: Add source and homepage URL metadata  https://review.openstack.org/10324321:22
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for neutron bug 1332917  https://review.openstack.org/10272421:22
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/puppet-apparmor: Update source and homepage URL metadata  https://review.openstack.org/10324421:25
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/puppet-apparmor: Update source and homepage URL metadata  https://review.openstack.org/10324421:25
openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/puppet-apparmor: Add Rakefile file and update puppet coding style  https://review.openstack.org/10279421:25
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fungiokay, at least new and outstanding changes to any of those three projects will get attention from zuul now21:26
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dgeninhello, I have a question about how Tempest tests are run in the gate. Specifically, I am interested in whether it is possible (or maybe it is already done) to test against a cloud with LVM backend ephemeral storage.21:26
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fungidgenin: we use ephemeral storage with our nodepool nodes. we pre-cache git repositories and packages in relatively small (~10-20gb) root partitions and then when the nodes are launched from those snapshots we mount their ephemeral storage and move the cached data into them before continuing to run devstack-based jobs21:28
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dgeninfungi: Let me make sure I understand: the Tempest tests are run against DevStack, which is itself running in a VM.21:32
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fungidgenin: correct21:32
fungidgenin: oh, you're asking about running tempest to test an existing cloud?21:33
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dgeninfungi: no, I have some LVM backend code I would like to test in the gate and I am just trying to figure out whether this is feasible.21:33
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fungidgenin: this channel is the people who run the developer infrastructure for the openstack project. questions about how to run tempest and what it can support are possibly better fielded in #openstack-qa21:34
dhellmannanteaya: merges are being announced in openstack-oslo, thank you for tracking that down21:34
anteayadhellmann: yay21:34
anteayamy accomplishment of the week!21:35
anteaya:D21:35
dgeninfungi: ok, I will try there, but I think whether such tests are possible in principle may depend on how the infrastructure is set up.21:35
fungidgenin: i honestly don't know a ton about how the devstack clouds we test are configured (i mainly only dig into that when someone needs help troubleshooting a problem with a new or existing job)21:35
dhellmannanteaya: :-)21:35
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fungidgenin: i know a fair amount about the virtual machines in which we run devstack21:35
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fungidgenin: but it sounds like your questions are about devstack/tempest themselves rather than the machines they're run on?21:36
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dgeninfungi: yes, i think, you may be right. i am in the process of figuring out how the testing framework works, so i am still looking for what the right questions are. thank you for the info.21:37
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fungidgenin: for example, i do know that we make sure the lvm2 package is installed by default in the vm in case tools need to create volume groups or something21:37
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dgeninfungi: ok, that's certainly useful.21:38
dgeninfungi: do you know if there are any tests that actually setup lvm volumes?21:38
fungidgenin: i don't think there are any, but i very well could be wrong about that. the qa peeps are far more likely to know21:39
dgeninfungi: ko, i will go bother them then. thanks again.21:39
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Add keystonemiddleware to devstack-gate  https://review.openstack.org/10234021:41
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sdagueok, the grenade backport finally landed, only 10 hrs later :) Now hopefully that will help with ES parsing once it gets through it's backlog21:43
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reedare euca2ools still around?21:44
reedhttps://ask.openstack.org/en/question/33193/can-i-create-an-instance-with-a-specific-name-with-euca2ools/21:45
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fungireed: seems to still be reasonably active... https://github.com/eucalyptus/euca2ools/graphs/contributors21:46
reedfungi, no doubt... I should have framed my question better: do we still use them at openstack?21:47
reedi thought we deprecated them a long time ago21:47
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fungireed: looks like someone has been recently editing https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/APIFeatureComparison#Amazon_EC2_API_Compatability21:49
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fungireed: but probably more of a question for the nova devs, i suspect21:50
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zarofungi, anteaya : the cherry-picked changes seemed to be searchable when i tested on review-dev and on a master build of gerrit.21:53
zarohere's the one on review-dev: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23455/21:54
fungizaro: yeah, then it's probably something to do with how we upgraded them21:54
zarooops mean this link https://review-dev.openstack.org/#/c/5289/21:55
fungizaro: because from what i can tell, i can search for old changes merged using the merge-if-needed method but not those merged with the cherry-pick method21:55
fungizaro: from roughly the same timeframe21:55
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anteayainteresting21:56
anteayawhere any of them ones we had to set workflow on?21:57
fungianteaya: all of them, yes21:57
anteayaah21:57
anteayaso perhaps the way we set workflow21:57
anteayawhat user were you to do that?21:57
anteayaproject bootstrapper?21:57
fungianteaya: we set workflow +1 on every change which was previously approve +121:57
anteayaoh sorry21:58
anteayaI meant the wip changes that got left behind21:58
fungianteaya: not through the api. it was edited in place in the db, so still attributed to whatever user previously had applied the approve +121:58
anteayaand we had to set them to workflow -1 as a special effort21:58
fungianteaya: oh, you mean for wip21:58
anteayayes21:58
anteayaso I might be confused21:58
fungianteaya: that was only done to changes which were open when we upgraded21:59
anteayayes21:59
anteayaso different changes than these changes?21:59
fungithese were approved and closed more than a year before the upgrade21:59
anteayaoh21:59
fungiso wouldn't have been work-in-progress21:59
anteayaoh okay21:59
anteayaright yeah21:59
anteayahow odd21:59
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openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove queries for fixed bugs.  https://review.openstack.org/10300922:04
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/requirements: Add osprofiler to global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/10236222:06
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reed_Newsletter is out22:11
reed_I'll experiment with this irccloud thingie22:11
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openstackgerritBrant Knudson proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Update oslo.config to 1.4.0.0a1  https://review.openstack.org/10325622:14
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jeblairfungi: hi there; i was away longer than expected; anything need urgent attention?22:24
fungijeblair: i don't think so. i've just started to put together https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/repo-renaming-2014-06-28 for tomorrow22:24
anteayaso reading the community email we have a user signed up as a ci: http://activity.openstack.org/data/plugins/zfacts/view.action?viewproperties=true&instance=Person,personeba6e279-c66d-4266-a778-7fc9961e772722:25
anteayaany thoughts on how we fix this?22:25
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jeblairfungi: cool, are we lacking the stackforge rename?  if so, i can bash that out22:26
jeblairfungi: (stackforge rename change)22:26
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fungijeblair: i haven't looked yet. was going to review them as i put ther list together22:27
anteayano no, it is a ci22:27
fungiso i'll know in a bit22:27
jeblairanteaya: so no problem?22:27
anteayareed: can you address whatever it is you use to scrape to get new users for the newsletter22:27
anteayajeblair: yeah no problem22:27
anteayareed: it is picking up ci accounts, which we really don't want22:28
anteayahttps://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/270,members22:28
anteayathe IBM xCAT CI showed up in the newsletter as a new user22:28
anteayabut it is in the third party group22:28
fungianteaya: reed: probably whatever is being used for that should just ignore commits to the openstack-dev/sandbox repo22:29
anteayaI agree with that as a starter22:29
anteayais there anyway to remove them if the are a member of the third party ci gerrit group?22:30
openstackgerritK Jonathan Harker proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Revert "Downgrade puppetlabs-apache to version 0.0.4."  https://review.openstack.org/10325822:30
anteayaremove that account that is, from being reported as a new contributer in the newsletter22:30
fungianteaya: oh, i see, these aren't commits submitted by that account, they're only review comments/verify votes22:30
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anteayafungi: yeah, look at teh bottome22:31
anteayahttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2014-June/004639.html22:31
anteayaunder new users22:31
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anteayahello clarkb22:31
anteayaI hope you had a good drive22:31
clarkbwow netsplits are fun22:31
anteayawoo22:31
clarkbyes drive was good22:31
anteayagood22:31
clarkbwhat did I miss during driving and netsplit?22:32
anteayaah fungi is tracking an odd gerrit bug22:32
jeblairremind me not to accept rename requests before there are changes for them in the future.  :)22:32
clarkbthose two changes that don't list over ssh?22:32
anteayacan search on shas for two repos22:32
clarkbjeblair: :)22:32
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clarkblogstash seems to be status quoing so I won't worry about it a whole lot riht now22:33
fungijeblair: yeah, looks like there's no change proposed to move murano projects to stackforge-attic, and we also don't seem to have a bash8 rename change yet22:33
anteayaso you get to pick22:33
anteayaaren't you lucky22:33
fungii can whip up the bashate change real fast if desired...22:33
jeblairfungi: i'll do both22:33
fungisdague: ^ ?22:33
clarkband it looks like gertty synced the things I did in the car22:34
fungijeblair: oh, okie dokey22:34
clarkbanything I can do to help other folks?22:34
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anteayaI'm good, unless you want to review two infra manual patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/infra-manual,n,z22:35
anteayashould be nice a quick (I hope)22:35
fungiclarkb: so the gerrit issue turns out to be that the search index seems not to be picking up any old cherry-picked changes from before we switched infra projects back to using merge-if-needed strategy. side effect is that any projects whose last commits were in that timeframe end up with new commits untestable by zuul (because it can't quert the parent commit, which is the branch tip)22:36
jeblairfungi: neato!22:36
clarkbanteaya: for 102933 does it make sense to just tell people to make their username the same as launchpad?22:36
clarkbanteaya: I wonder if that block of text will confuse people22:36
clarkbfungi: wow22:37
fungithe three i found i worked around by force-submitting simple documentation/packaging metadata changes into, and then rebased the outstanding changes on top of the new branch tips22:37
clarkbfungi: hax! but I like it22:37
fungiafter that, zuul can test them again22:37
anteayaclarkb: well how well does that work, to tell people to do that22:38
fungizaro has already confirmed that new cherry-picked changes are searchable (at least on a test gerrit), so that leaves the probability that it was something which didn't get updated correctly during the upgrade (maybe a missing db migration?)22:38
anteayainfra still works fine if they make them different22:38
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anteayaclarkb: but stackalytics wont track them22:38
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anteayaclarkb: chuckC helped me learn that22:39
clarkbanteaya: right but we are saying two different things there. FIrst we say it is arbitrary then we say it matters22:39
anteayaclarkb: I can jsut leave that out, but the knowledge that stackalytics expects them to be the same will get lost22:39
anteayaclarkb: it doesnt' matter to infra22:39
anteayait might matter to the user22:39
clarkbactually i am going to restart logstash workers now to see if they get happy with that grenade fix in22:39
reedI usually filter those by hand22:39
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reedBut I have failed today ... Again22:39
anteayaif they end up caring about stackalytics a month or so after they start22:39
anteayabut I don't want to mention an non-infra app in an infra manual22:40
anteayareed: have you considered putting your newsletter drafts in an etherpad22:40
fungianteaya: stackalytics already has a bunch of mapping data, so i'm sure they can add something for "this is my gerrit username, it's different from my lp username" or whatever22:40
anteayaand letting me go over it before you post?22:40
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anteayafungi: they do, if you file a patch22:41
anteayaif you know to file a patch22:41
anteayareed: me or someone else22:41
anteayareed: to catch the obvious things like checking the governace repo and removing ci from new contributors22:41
reedanteaya: it would require too much preparation :)22:41
anteayaokay22:41
anteayawe can keep doing this then22:42
clarkbanteaya: well I think if there are tools that expect them to be the same we should just tell people to make them the same22:42
anteayaif you want22:42
anteayaclarkb: okay22:42
anteayawe can try that22:42
anteayalets see what happens if we do that22:42
clarkbbecause it is a bit annoying when we are asked to fix that stuff22:42
clarkbmaybe we can just avoid it entirely22:43
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openstackgerritAnita Kuno proposed a change to openstack-infra/infra-manual: Updates Gerrit Username and Elastic-Recheck information  https://review.openstack.org/10293322:46
anteayaclarkb: lets try that and see what happens22:46
jesusaurusfungi: i just noticed that your rebase of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102796/ kept my vote but not my comment (which I just re-added)22:46
clarkbanteaya: thanks22:46
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anteayanp22:47
anteayathanks for reviewing22:47
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move Designate from stackforge to openstack  https://review.openstack.org/10232822:48
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Rename bash8 to bashate  https://review.openstack.org/10325922:48
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-repository to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326022:48
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-metadataclient to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326122:48
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-common to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326222:48
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-conductor to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326322:48
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-tests to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326422:48
clarkbjeblair: did you have a chance to chime in about trying ssd volumes for ES?22:48
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jeblairclarkb: what's the question?22:49
mordredclarkb: I'm in favor of trying things22:49
mordredbtw - anyone who thinks that cloud changes the way you think about IT just needs to read this channel on a regular basis22:49
clarkbjeblair: 1, whether you think that is an appropriate thing to do given our resources and weirdness we haev seen with normal volumes and 2, if you think pvmove live is a good way to do it22:49
jeblairmordred: :)22:50
mordredthe amount of time we talk about cpu capacity, disk space, cpu speed and disk speed is ... well. ... rather normal22:50
jeblairmordred: it totally makes afs easier to run!22:50
mordredthe only difference is the speed with which we can try things22:50
mordredjeblair: we really need to do that, btw22:50
mordredjeblair: so that people stop mocking us22:50
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jeblairclarkb: 1) yes -- still planning on trying with one host?  07?22:50
mordredjeblair: clark mentioned AFS as a solution to a problem in an internal HP chatroom a couple of days ago22:50
mordredjeblair: he was either serious and we've turned him, or he was making fun of me, or both22:51
clarkbjeblair: yes will start with 0722:51
clarkbjeblair: and probably on monday22:51
jeblairmordred: eeexcellent...  they're actually the same thing22:51
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clarkbmordred: I was semi serious22:51
clarkbmordred: people wanted synchronized filesystems across nodes22:51
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fungijesusaurus: yep, sorry about that--was troubleshooting why that change wasn't being tested22:51
clarkbAFS22:51
jeblairmordred: "haha only serious" comes to mind.22:51
mordredjeblair: ++22:51
jeblairclarkb: i can't come up with a reason not to pvmove live22:52
jesusaurusfungi: no worries, that was just an fyi in case it indicated a deeper problem22:52
clarkbjeblair: cool I will roll with that in the morning on monday22:52
lifelessclarkb: not ceph?22:54
clarkblifeless: ceph filesystem is still not to be used last I heard22:54
clarkbbecause btrfs degrades over time then you have a sad or some such22:54
lifelessclarkb: well rather I mean ceph + ext4 on top22:55
mordredlifeless: yeah - everything I hear about cephfs to me screams "please don't ever use this"22:55
fungii can attest to btrfs sadness. i tried to use it for a while back before it had a fsck22:55
lifelessmordred: I did not say cephfs22:55
jeblairfungi: "but you don't need an fsck"22:55
clarkblifeless: as long as you can mount that ext4 fs in many places22:56
fungiall i can say is eek, i'm glad i had regular backups22:56
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lifelessmordred: hows the flight?22:56
mordredlifeless: not on it right now - board in 3022:56
mordredlifeless: so GREAT!22:56
fungijeblair: yeah, tell that to all the blocks btrfs decided it couldn't find one day ;)22:56
lifelessclarkb: do they want multimaster writes, or just synchronised?22:56
jeblairfungi: "you don't need those blocks"22:56
fungijeblair: clearly i didn't!22:56
clarkblifeless: just synchronized reads would be ok22:56
clarkblifeless: with one writer22:56
mordredsounds like AFS to me22:56
clarkbthat is what I said :)22:57
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lifelessthat is indeed an AFS speciality22:57
clarkbwell first I said why does it need to be synchronized then I got yelled at22:58
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clarkbbecause not being sychronzied solves everything22:58
jeblairokay, i pushed up changes for all the other renames (and rebased the designate one just to make sure it's up to date).  those changes are all stacked.22:58
* clarkb reviews22:58
jeblairclarkb: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/repo-renaming-2014-06-2822:58
jeblairi think the bash8 groups are the only ones that need renaming22:59
fungijeblair: thanks--currently reading my way through them and git grep'ing to make sure we're not missing something obvious22:59
mordredclarkb: why did you get yelled at22:59
mordredfungi: oh wait - I think there's something else that needs rename..23:00
clarkbmordred: iirc people have a hard time comprehending package skew23:00
fungiclarkb: eventual consistency means eventual profit23:00
mordredI mean - jeblair23:00
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clarkb"it worked here why doesn't it work there?"23:00
clarkbwell because....23:00
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fungihere is not there, qed23:00
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mordredfungi: you've confused me with your latin23:01
jeblairhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oakland_HERE-THERE.jpg23:01
clarkbin other news I cleaned up a ton of yeasty liquid vegemite stuff off the top of fermenters when I got to portland23:01
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anteayanice23:02
clarkbI was tempted to see if I could make vegemite with it then I smelled it23:02
anteayagood on toast23:02
clarkband now it is in the trash23:02
fungiclarkb: sounds like good eatin'23:02
anteayaha ha ha23:02
fungiyou do have to simmer it down to make a proper marmite/vegemite. needs to be like black tar23:02
jeblairum.  i have to run for a bit.  bbl.  :)23:03
clarkbjeblair: one sec23:03
jeblairk23:03
clarkbwe are ermoving designate rtfd publishing23:03
clarkbwould it be better to turn that off at some point further out in the future?23:03
clarkbmaybe i am overthinking the value in persistent urls23:04
fungiclarkb: that's probably a question for the designate contributor who wrote that change23:04
clarkboh right jeblair did the others23:04
clarkbI will ntoe it on the review and move on23:04
fungii have to assume they made a conscious choice there23:04
fungigreghaynes: ^ ?23:04
jeblairclarkb: it's not going to immediately delete it from rtfd23:05
clarkbjeblair: right it will just stop udpating it23:05
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jeblairclarkb: so they can wait until it's at docs.o.o before deleting it23:05
jeblairor even not23:05
fungiyeah, it'll just grow stale until they upload a we-have-moved notice or similar23:05
jeblairit won't even get that stale23:05
jeblairit'll just switch to nightly updates23:05
clarkboh right rtfd does nightly updates too23:05
fungioh, fair point. i forgot rtfd has its own pull jobs23:05
clarkbok I am no longer worreid thanks23:05
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fungijeblair: the stackforge-attic edits need to be realphabetized in review.projects.yaml... i'll upload updated patchsets for those23:07
anteayaI'll stop reviewing those patches then23:08
anteayauntil you submit new patches23:08
jeblairfungi: ?23:08
jeblairfungi: i missed it in the first change, but fixed it in the second one23:09
fungijeblair: oh... i got as far as the first one. anyway the alphabetization job will keep us from merging those unless we just ignore it23:09
jeblairfungi: i was too lazy to go back and fix the first one figuring we're _probably_ going to merge them all, but can if you think it's important23:09
jeblairoh right23:09
jeblairfine23:09
jeblairmumble mumble23:09
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* fungi fixes quickly23:10
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jeblairfungi: i'll do it23:10
fungiokay, go for it23:10
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-conductor to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326323:12
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-common to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326223:12
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-repository to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326023:12
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-tests to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326423:12
jeblairugh, that's not right23:13
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openstackgerritlifeless proposed a change to openstack-dev/pbr: Allow examining parsing exceptions.  https://review.openstack.org/8085623:21
openstackgerritlifeless proposed a change to openstack-dev/pbr: Teach pbr VersionInfo about debian versions.  https://review.openstack.org/8107423:21
openstackgerritlifeless proposed a change to openstack-dev/pbr: Teach pbr about post versioned dev versions.  https://review.openstack.org/8044923:21
openstackgerritlifeless proposed a change to openstack-dev/pbr: Add a converter to version_tuples.  https://review.openstack.org/8045723:21
openstackgerritlifeless proposed a change to openstack-dev/pbr: Break out a common version object from VersionInfo  https://review.openstack.org/9410823:21
lifelessdhellmann: ^23:21
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-conductor to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326323:24
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-common to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326223:24
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-metadataclient to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326123:24
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-repository to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326023:24
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Move murano-tests to stackforge-attic  https://review.openstack.org/10326423:24
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jeblairokay, i think that's correct enough to review23:24
fungithanks!23:25
jeblairgit and i had some words.23:25
fungiyou showed it who wears the keyboard in this relationship23:25
jeblairmy keyboard got very loud for a bit there23:26
clarkbbut git carries the footgun23:26
clarkbjust remember that23:26
fungiindeed23:26
jeblairclarkb, fungi: should we switch gate-devstack-bashate to nonvoting for the weekend?23:29
fungijeblair: that seems like a stellar idea, so we don't break it waiting for image updates to finish23:30
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clarkb++23:30
fungisdague: any objections ^ ?23:30
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Make gate-devstack-bashate non-voting  https://review.openstack.org/10327223:32
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Revert "Make gate-devstack-bashate non-voting"  https://review.openstack.org/10327323:32
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rhgwarning23:32
rhg you may be  watched23:32
rhgdo usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy??23:32
rhgdo usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying??23:32
rhgdo they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??23:32
rhgÊÍÐíÑ23:32
rhgwarning23:32
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mordreddarn. I was about to kickban someone from my phone23:36
fungialready added their pattern to chanserv's akick list23:36
mordrednice23:36
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jeblairokay, really going afk now, bbl.23:37
fungiclarkb: since gate-devstack-.* hasn't had its default set to bare-trusty yet, gate-devstack-bashate is only going to need bare-precise node images rebuilt successfully before we revert the non-voting, right?23:37
clarkbfungi: correct23:38
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fungiclarkb: thanks23:38
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fungiit looks like we're all set for tomorrow in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/repo-renaming-2014-06-28 now, so i need to afk to do friday things23:43
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anteayafungi: thanks enjoy23:45
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