Monday, 2015-12-07

r1chardj0n3snotmorgan: that's the keystone endpoint, where the catalog is retrieved from00:01
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: oh so uhm...00:01
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: ok phew00:01
notmorganthat is not well documented fwiw00:01
r1chardj0n3snotmorgan: please file bugs where documentation is not adequate! :-)00:01
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: i am working on sub-url mounting all the services and it kindof scared me to read that horizon expected a single endpoint for openstack00:02
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: hehe i'll add it to my massive list of "things that need fixing/updates" that will generate lots of bugs/code once i have things functioning00:02
r1chardj0n3snotmorgan: yeah :-)00:02
r1chardj0n3snotmorgan: since we spend so much time around things it's hard for us to know where the doc blindspots are00:03
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: can OPENSTACK_HOST be a URI or does it *have* to be a IP only?00:05
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: because the place you get the catlog from my demo is: https://api.tempusfrangit.org/identity/00:05
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: keystone is never on "/" for the host it lives on00:05
r1chardj0n3snotmorgan: OPENSTACK_KEYSTONE_URL00:06
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: so i can just comment out OPENSTACK_HOST? because there are both things00:06
r1chardj0n3s(I'm not sure whether OPENSTACK_HOST is used raw, sorry)00:06
notmorganahhh maybe time to GREP00:06
notmorgan:)00:07
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notmorganoh00:07
r1chardj0n3sa quick look tells me it's not used00:07
notmorganhah00:07
notmorganit's just used in the default to %strsub into KEYSTONE_URL00:07
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: and now the harder question... does horizon handle V2/V3 auth discovery well or do i need to pick the version i want00:08
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notmorganin this case?00:08
* notmorgan is happy to just pick :)00:08
r1chardj0n3snotmorgan: it will work with both00:08
r1chardj0n3sbut you need to tell it00:08
notmorganr1chardj0n3s: right but i need to specify the one it should use.00:08
r1chardj0n3sOPENSTACK_API_VERSIONS00:08
notmorganyah, tells me we need to be better avout that and let it discover longer term00:09
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notmorganbut meh for now, easy path :)00:09
notmorganthnx for the help!00:09
r1chardj0n3snp!00:09
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notmorganr1chardj0n3s: ok last "fun" question00:15
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notmorganr1chardj0n3s: is there a way to make horizon use --insecure (my CA is not trusted cause i'm using letsencrypt)00:15
notmorganfound it00:16
notmorgannvm00:16
zaoCan't you install enough CA certs to cope?00:16
notmorganzao: you can. the issues are requests is a LOT less friendly in many cases. right now i'm just doing --insecure00:17
notmorganzao: this is a POC, the thought is: get it working00:17
notmorganzao: then spin up extra bits00:17
zaoAlright, didn't look at channel history.00:17
notmorganzao: :)00:17
notmorganzao: my POC is working on sub-url mounted services00:17
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notmorganzao: http://paste.openstack.org/show/480971/ [see my catalog, right now i just need to get nova <-> glance happy and i should have a working cloud]00:23
notmorganzao: and here is my massive-ish list of "wow this needs fixing" so far https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/suburl-mounted-services :)00:23
zaoNifty.00:24
notmorganzao: yeah it almost all works atm00:25
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notmorganzao: the limitation is nova doesn't use the catalog to find glance yet00:25
notmorganbut working w/ sdague to get that fixed and rolled up00:25
notmorganthen we'll be in a good place.00:25
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openstackgerritKenji Ishii proposed openstack/horizon: Display user's description in user detail  https://review.openstack.org/25328700:40
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openstackgerritLi Yingjun proposed openstack/horizon: Pagination for flavor - more link  https://review.openstack.org/23463801:14
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openstackgerritKenji Ishii proposed openstack/horizon: Modify the regular expression when you create Pseudo-folder.  https://review.openstack.org/24362501:51
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openstackgerritLi Yingjun proposed openstack/horizon: Fix issue when using glance v2 api  https://review.openstack.org/24953102:02
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openstackgerritRichard Jones proposed openstack/xstatic-angular-bootstrap: Update to use setuptools_scm for release version generation  https://review.openstack.org/25275202:34
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openstackgerritsanjana proposed openstack/horizon:  Adding Ceilometer Alarm API  https://review.openstack.org/21556904:13
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openstackgerritsanjana proposed openstack/horizon: Adding ceilometer alarms page for -Addition -Deletion -Enabling and Disabling of alarms  https://review.openstack.org/25164404:17
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/horizon: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/25379504:24
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openstackgerritKenji Ishii proposed openstack/horizon: Modify update user info from pencil icon in keystone v2  https://review.openstack.org/25401105:10
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openstackgerritRichard Jones proposed openstack/horizon: Fix Create Image angularjs code  https://review.openstack.org/25167005:26
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wdeclercqping robcresswell07:58
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openstackgerritItxaka Serrano Garcia proposed openstack/horizon: Add Network Port selection to new instance launch  https://review.openstack.org/25357308:38
betherlyMorning!08:46
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openstackgerritlei zhang proposed openstack/horizon: Put py34 first in the env order of tox  https://review.openstack.org/25410810:13
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robcresswellwdeclercq: o/10:23
wdeclercqrobcresswell: Hi, I was wondering what you meant exactly about the wrapping in your comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205423/5/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/routers/templates/routers/ports/_setgateway.html   Should I put every sentence in a separate <p>{% trans block or something?10:24
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robcresswellwdeclercq: Actually, ignore that part of the comment. I was just referring to the line length wrapping10:28
robcresswellwdeclercq: Just fix the typo and I think that patch is good to go iirc10:28
robcresswellwdeclercq: Sorry for the nitpick10:28
wdeclercqnp :)10:28
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openstackgerritWim De Clercq proposed openstack/horizon: Add a snat field to the setgatewayform for admin users.  https://review.openstack.org/20542310:34
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openstackgerritItxaka Serrano Garcia proposed openstack/horizon: Add ID to security groups on launch instance  https://review.openstack.org/25412310:41
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openstackgerritWim De Clercq proposed openstack/horizon: Add a snat field to the setgatewayform for admin users.  https://review.openstack.org/20542311:12
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openstackgerritPaul Karikh proposed openstack/horizon: [WIP] Add identity v3 API filtering to users and projects tables  https://review.openstack.org/25248811:38
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robcresswelllhcheng: You get a +2, you get a +2, you get a +2... its like oprah's review day11:49
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openstackgerritKenji Ishii proposed openstack/horizon: Add breadcrumbs on Volume Encryption Details  https://review.openstack.org/25416712:51
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openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: WIP: making integration tests pluggable  https://review.openstack.org/25360812:57
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: [WIP] Fight non pluggable _go_to_methods in an evil hacky way  https://review.openstack.org/25365212:58
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lhchengrobcresswell: hah hopefully we get our open reviews under 300 by end of M13:02
lhchenghttp://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/horizon-openreviews.html13:02
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robcresswell"Longest waiting reviews (based on oldest rev without -1 or -2):"13:02
robcresswell470 days13:02
robcresswellwow.13:02
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openstackgerritWim De Clercq proposed openstack/horizon: Add a snat field to the setgatewayform for admin users.  https://review.openstack.org/20542313:04
robcresswelllhcheng: http://paste.openstack.org/show/481009/ Stevedore idea. Working on a POC13:04
robcresswellSo we can just say "install X plugin" and drop the enabled files.13:05
lhchengrobcresswell: nice! I wanted to that, but keeps on slipping on my priority.13:06
lhchengdo we still need the plugin to drop the enabled files? can we discover it too?13:06
robcresswelllhcheng: discover what sorry?13:07
robcresswellThe idea is that we can just do pip install magnum-ui etc and reboot and it will work.13:08
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lhchengoh.. I misunderstood the word "drop", I thought drop it in enabled dir. Just realized "drop" as in remove. :)13:09
robcresswellOh sorry, yes, remove.13:09
lhchengyup, that would be awesome.13:09
lhchengwe also use stevedore to expose additional command in OSC13:09
robcresswelllhcheng: I have a couple patches to overhaul the settings situation too... still need refining though.13:09
lhchengmoving to this model is more consistent, and simple13:10
robcresswell:D13:10
lhchengI think supporting this plugin model would be even a bigger win than doing angular :)13:11
lhchengI'll be happy to do the reviews for this.13:11
robcresswelllhcheng: Excellent :D It'll be a little while yet while I get it together and doc/test it. Will put up a POC when its working.13:11
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lhchengrobcresswell: awesome :)13:12
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/horizon: Do not use empty description fields  https://review.openstack.org/25030613:24
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tsufievlhcheng, robcresswell: cool link to the review stats! I've found there another almost ready integration test :)13:25
robcresswelllhcheng: Interesting that the number waiting on submitter is half13:26
robcresswelllhcheng: Means we likely have some olf ones to clean up?13:27
robcresswellold*13:27
robcresswellSome of those patches have been in Horizon longer than I have.13:27
lhchengrobcresswell: yeah, we should this give one some love: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59658/13:27
lhchenghah13:28
lhchengif we knock down the 10 oldest patch, our average review time should get better :P13:30
lhchengtsufiev: glad you found something useful there13:30
openstackgerritMerged openstack/horizon: Try to avoid intermittent test_dashboard_help_redirection failure  https://review.openstack.org/25083913:31
openstackgerritMerged openstack/horizon: security group not mandatory to create instance  https://review.openstack.org/22983513:31
openstackgerritMerged openstack/horizon: Display user's description in user detail  https://review.openstack.org/25328713:31
robcresswelllhcheng: Yeah. Thats a really interesting page, thanks for that.13:32
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openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Make nav structure in plugin integration tests pluggable  https://review.openstack.org/25365213:43
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amotokiCould someone make a comment on the mailing thread on dashboards for neutron subproject? There is no input from horizon side ....13:48
amotokihttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081050.html13:48
robcresswellamotoki: Argh, knew I'd forgotten something. Replying now.13:49
openstackgerritPaul Karikh proposed openstack/horizon: [WIP] Add identity v3 API filtering to users and projects tables  https://review.openstack.org/25248813:49
robcresswellamotoki: Sorry for the delay13:49
amotokirobcresswell: thanks. I believe your input would be helpful.13:50
tsufievhmm, it seems someone finally disabled bot notifications here for new CRs upload/ rebases13:51
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tsufieva good decision, will decrease an amount of noise here13:51
robcresswelltsufiev: There were new proposal messages just a few minutes ago13:51
robcresswell"openstackgerrit> Paul Karikh proposed openstack/horizon:" etc13:52
tsufievrobcresswell, ah, my bad. I haven't noticed sahara-dashboard message here because it's not horizon13:52
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tsufievyet I considered them to be the same changeset with Timur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Make nav structure in plugin integration tests pluggable  https://review.openstack.org/253652 because they fix the same thing13:53
tsufievthe cognitive error :)13:53
robcresswellamotoki: So all neutron plugins will live in a single repo?13:53
robcresswellLike neutron-plugin-dashboards13:53
amotokirobcresswell: honestly I am still wondering what is the best approach...13:54
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robcresswellamotoki: What is the difference between b and c?13:54
amotokirobcresswell: option (c) means that dashboard impl exists in 'dashboard' directory in each subproject.13:55
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amotokirobcresswell: option (b) shares a repo for dashboards.13:56
robcresswellAhh, I See13:56
amotokirobcresswell:  I think the big difference is that dashboard code and other codes exist in a single repo or not.13:56
amotokirobcresswell: as far as I investigated, it affects translation maintenance much (including the infra script).13:57
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robcresswellamotoki: Yes, I've been looking into translation stuff. Currently the infra stuff uses run_tests, which I do not really like.13:58
robcresswellMay require some new scripts13:58
amotokirobcresswell: most tox envs in horizon repo are a proxy to run_tests.sh.13:59
robcresswellBecaue django expects translations at $APPPATH/locale, but infra expects $APPPATH/<project_name>/locale13:59
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robcresswell:/13:59
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amotokiprecisely, the infra script expsts $REPONAME/locale.14:00
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robcresswellPuts us in a funny place. horizon-cisco-ui uses the traditional way, but I don't think Django will work with that.14:01
amotokidjango expects $APPPATH/locale/{django,djangojs}.pot.14:01
robcresswell May have to override the middleware with some hackery.14:01
amotokiyes, i see hroizon-cisco-ui has locale files in a deeper place.14:02
robcresswellamotoki: Yeah, they are where infra expects14:02
robcresswellI dont think django will work with that.14:02
amotokihonestly, I would like to have a function in the infra script which handles django locale structure.14:03
robcresswellThere is a LOCALE_PATHS setting, but currently plugins dont have a good way to update settings.14:03
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robcresswellamotoki: That would be nice. I was speaking earlier and they seemed to insist on run_tests14:04
robcresswellI have no idea why14:04
robcresswellIt would be nicer to just use pybabel directly14:04
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amotokiI will investigate more and can talk with Andreas about the approach.14:05
amotokiperhaps a important thing to be considered is how we handle multiple django apps in a repo.14:06
amotokithe other is how we handle $APPPATH which is different from a repo name.14:06
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Make nav structure in plugin integration tests pluggable  https://review.openstack.org/25365214:07
robcresswellamotoki: I was surprised that we don't just use the setup.cfg values. They specify paths, but the paths *must* match the repo name it seems.14:07
robcresswellMakes the config a little redundant.14:07
robcresswellamotoki: Currently there are 3 different scripts for django-related translations - horizon, d_o_a and magnum_ui14:08
robcresswellhttps://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/scripts/propose_translation_update.sh#L13714:08
amotokirobcresswell: yeah... I was surprised too.14:08
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robcresswellI think we will need to work with infra and make a generic propose_django_translation section.14:08
robcresswellTo cover horizon/d_o_a magnum etc.14:09
amotokidue to this limitation, for example, python-novaclient has novaclient directory for python code and python-novaclient for locale :-(14:09
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amotokitotally agree.14:09
robcresswellamotoki: horizon-cisco-ui has horizon_cisco_ui and horizon-cisco-ui currently :(14:09
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Make nav structure in plugin integration tests pluggable  https://review.openstack.org/25365214:10
amotokirobcresswell: is there any convenient way to retrieve a pot file path in setup.cfg?14:11
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: WIP: making integration tests pluggable  https://review.openstack.org/25360814:12
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Make nav structure in plugin integration tests pluggable  https://review.openstack.org/25365214:12
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robcresswellamotoki: It's listed in a couple of the settings https://github.com/openstack/horizon-cisco-ui/blob/master/setup.cfg#L4614:13
robcresswellIdeally those config values would just be altered to 'locale', and drop the 'horizon-cisco-ui' part14:14
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amotokirobcresswell: horizon-cisco-ui installs horizon_cisco_ui.cisco as django app. don't we need to place the locale file to horizon_cisco_ui.cisco.locale ?14:16
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robcresswellamotoki: Er, yes I think you're right.14:18
robcresswellEither way, current way is wrong.14:18
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amotokiagree14:18
robcresswellThe other alternative is that when I finish my settings fixes, you can just append to LOCALE_PATHS14:18
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robcresswellThat would likely be easier.14:19
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amotokithat would be easier, but the default path still looks important.14:26
robcresswellLOCALE_PATHS is viewed before the default anyway14:27
robcresswellamotoki: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/i18n/translation/#how-django-discovers-translations14:27
robcresswellAll paths listed in LOCALE_PATHS in your settings file are searched for <language>/LC_MESSAGES/django.(po|mo)14:27
amotokiyes. i am looking at the same page :)14:27
robcresswell$APPPATH/locale/<language>/LC_MESSAGES/django.(po|mo)14:27
robcresswell$PYTHONPATH/django/conf/locale/<language>/LC_MESSAGES/django.(po|mo)14:27
robcresswellah okay, sorry :)14:27
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doug-fishamotoki: robcresswell - hi guys - I'm actually just starting to look at translatability for neutron-lbaas-dashboard ... and trying to catch up on your conversation ... are you saying that every plugin will need to have an entry in settings/local_settings in order to have translations found?14:29
amotokiIMO, LOCALE_PATH are for deployers and distro packages. we can ask them to ensure LOCALE_PATHS is configirued, or provide working default locale paths.14:30
robcresswelldoug-fish: Either that, or convince infra to have some new scripts I think14:30
robcresswellOr every plugin copies run_tests14:30
amotokidoug-fish: the conversation originally started from dashboards for neutron subprojects http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081050.html14:31
robcresswellWhich I dislike. I dont even know why we use run_tests as it is when we have tox :p14:31
doug-fishWe are talking about problems with message discovery? or finding translations at runtime?14:31
robcresswelldoug-fish: finding translations for plugins14:31
robcresswelldoug-fish: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/i18n/translation/#how-django-discovers-translations14:31
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robcresswellDjango expects different paths to infra's automation14:31
robcresswellThe best solution IMO would be to write a propose_django_translations job in the jenkins scripts14:33
robcresswellhttps://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/scripts/propose_translation_update.sh#L13714:34
robcresswellSomething that would work for propose_horizon and propose_magnum_ui I think.14:34
doug-fishyeah, I can see that - to capture noise that is in the run_tests script like https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/run_tests.sh#L43214:34
robcresswellyep14:34
doug-fishdo you know of any special challenges for javascript translations?14:35
robcresswelldoug-fish: There is a note in the docs about JS specifically, so I imagine issues14:35
robcresswellhttps://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/topics/i18n/translation/#javascript-catalog-view14:35
robcresswelltbh I'm pretty buried in settings/stevedore/ng-create-net atm so I don't have a great amount of time to look into this too, but its really key for this cycle.14:36
doug-fishright - we have that working for Horizon itself, but not sure if plugins can successfully have translated javascript catalogs served14:36
robcresswelldoug-fish: I think the only extension that should currently work for translations is magnum_ui14:37
robcresswellthat has $APPPATH/locale14:37
robcresswellbut it also has a unique infra script, and duplicates all 600 lines of run_tests so I dont hold it up as a good example of a plugin atm.14:38
doug-fishI think I saw it has its own custom infra code14:38
doug-fish:-)14:38
robcresswellThe infra code we need also has to support multiple locale files in the same repo, like horizon/o_d14:39
doug-fishI wonder if we should revisit that14:39
doug-fishdo we need multiple locale files?14:39
doug-fishI mean - I know we need separate js/py but do we really need horizon/openstack_dashboard?14:40
robcresswellfor Horizon and openstack_dashboard? I don't actually know how they are served14:40
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doug-fishI did at one time, but will have to look through it again to get it back into my head.  :-\14:40
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robcresswelldoug-fish: Would you/ anyone on your team have time to look into this and work with infra?14:41
doug-fishYou'd probably be stuck with getting me to work on this.  :-)14:41
robcresswellI don't have any minions unfortunately :(14:42
doug-fishpsh. I don't have minions.14:42
doug-fishI spout off what I think should be done. Sometimes that works.14:43
robcresswellhaha14:43
amotokiwhat can we say now as horizon side? $APPPATH/locale/<lang>/LC_MESSAGES/{django,djangojs}.po works both for python and JS?14:43
doug-fishI had expected to be looking at this only for the lbaas plugin, sounds like I need to consider a bigger scope - things are quite right overall with our translation capture/runtime behavior, right?14:43
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doug-fishs/are/aren't14:44
robcresswelldoug-fish: Yeah, we don't currently have a reliable structure for our plugins14:44
robcresswellfor using their translations14:44
amotokidoug-fish: yeah. we need to consider it for our all plugins!14:44
robcresswellfirst step would be to check magnum_ui does actually work too. At least then we can confirm that $APPPATH/locale is reliable.14:45
robcresswellThen we need to prod infra in the right direction14:45
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doug-fishI'll be spending time with it --  gotta run14:47
robcresswelldoug-fish: The reason for dual locale files is for single repos carrying different things. So, one repo may have a dashboard for one thing, and a bonus panel for another.14:47
robcresswelldoug-fish: Sure, thanks doug!14:47
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amotokidoug-fish: ping15:21
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doug-fishamotoki: hi15:21
amotokidoug-fish: regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244444, is it better to enable argularjs based lbaas dashboard by default now?15:21
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doug-fishI think so ... as far as I can tell the python based code is a shell that shows some UI but doesn't actually interact with the v2 apis15:22
amotokidoug-fish: I checked my env and the current LBaaS v2 python-based dashboard does not work15:22
amotokiin launching a load balancer.15:22
doug-fishright15:22
doug-fishnor does it show existing v2 load balancers15:22
doug-fishhowever, the angular based code does both of those things (at least, in review code does)15:22
amotokiyes. it seems there is no need to support python-based one once the angularjs one is fully funcational.15:23
amotokiokay, I will update it.15:24
doug-fishgreat, thanks.15:24
doug-fishamotoki: BTW, if you are able to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252871/ at the same time I think that would add a nice milestone: this provides the ability to create a v2 load balancer object15:25
doug-fishno listeners, but a load balancer.15:25
amotokidoug-fish: sure. hopefully tomorrow.15:26
doug-fishamotoki: super, thanks!15:27
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robcresswelllhcheng, tsufiev: Just wanted to mention https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252961/ again, since you both expressed interest before.16:03
lhchengrobcresswell: I got stuck thinking of an alternative for the changes in local_settings.py16:05
lhchengwish there is better way to make the changes less painful for upgrade16:06
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tsufievrobcresswell, creating 1k of fake cinder volumes right now to evaluate performance gain :)16:08
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openstackgerritGeorge Peristerakis proposed openstack/horizon: Display event stream in the instance audit tab  https://review.openstack.org/18813416:13
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robcresswelltsufiev: Awesome!16:17
robcresswelllhcheng: Oslo config?16:17
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robcresswelllhcheng: What is the 'panel_customization' setting?16:34
lhchengrobcresswell: I meant changes on the template cache loader, wondering if there is a way to make the changes in setting file less painful for upgrade16:35
robcresswelllhcheng: Ah, sorry16:35
robcresswelllhcheng: Unsure. We should've deprecated them beforehand I think.16:36
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tsufievrobcresswell, 2:05 (non-cached) vs 0:43 (cached) for 1k volumes, not bad16:38
robcresswell\o/16:38
lhchengrobcresswell: yeah :(  django 1.8 still support the old TEMPLATE setting, thinking if there some way we can make it less painful for upgrade (by having some extra code), and then deprecate it later.16:39
robcresswellIf someone uses the old setting, it'll just throw the dj1.8 deprecation warning wont it?16:39
lhchengrobcresswell: yup16:39
robcresswellwell.. problem solved? :p16:40
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tsufievrobcresswell, I wonder, how much would be the gain if we switched to Jinja216:41
robcresswelltsufiev: There are other possibities. We could reduce the number of includes on the data_tables etc.16:42
lhchengno, we're forcing the operators to change the settings. I am thinking if we should add a note on our Deployment section about this new setting to improve performance.  And mark the setting as deprecated for now. Then in "O", switch the default setting to use CACHE_LOADER16:42
robcresswell:/16:43
tsufievrobcresswell, IIUC, using cached loader should eliminate overhead for template inclusion, right?16:43
lhchengso in "M", the changes just go into the docs.16:43
robcresswellWe want to hold off on a ~60% reduction in load times, so that deployers don't have to alter a key name in their settings?16:43
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lhchengrobcresswell: we'll still document it, if ops want the performance gain they'll update their settings.16:45
lhchengI'm thinking more from upgrade perspective.  If you look at django, they didn't force user to change the settings.16:46
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robcresswelllhcheng: I can just change the old setting if you want16:48
robcresswellcached loader was added like... years ago16:48
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tsufievrobcresswell, IMO we should encourage using cached loader immediately16:53
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robcresswellSure thing. I'll just update the old settings. Tests running now.16:53
tsufievI guess we cannot do this in stable branches (it's a pity)16:53
robcresswellDjango still support the old TEMPLATE_* settings, so we can keep the old setting format and still use the loader16:54
tsufievlhcheng, can we ^^^?16:54
openstackgerritRob Cresswell proposed openstack/horizon: Add Cached loader for templates  https://review.openstack.org/25296116:56
openstackgerritRob Cresswell proposed openstack/horizon: Add Cached loader for templates  https://review.openstack.org/25296116:57
robcresswelltsufiev, lhcheng ^16:57
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lhchengrobcresswell: oh you can do that?? :)17:04
lhchengnice!17:05
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robcresswell:)17:08
lhchengsweet, thank you!17:08
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tsufievrobcresswell, will upgrade my +1 to +2 ASAP :)17:09
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robcresswellStill waiting for david-lyle to give your core powers huh? :)17:10
tsufievyep17:10
robcresswellthanks lhcheng17:10
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openstackgerritLin Hua Cheng proposed openstack/horizon: Fixes heat templates hidden parameters are not loading problem  https://review.openstack.org/15056717:19
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robcresswellducttape_: ping. Wondered if you still had a large deployment to test something against :)18:09
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openstackgerritLin Hua Cheng proposed openstack/horizon: Fixes heat templates hidden parameters are not loading problem  https://review.openstack.org/25434218:24
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openstackgerritDavid Lyle proposed openstack/horizon: Removing sahara specific exception ref  https://review.openstack.org/25434318:25
lhcheng_mfisch: ^^ fixes your annoying heat issue18:26
r1chardj0n3smorning18:32
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openstackgerritItxaka Serrano Garcia proposed openstack/horizon: Add Network Port selection to new instance launch  https://review.openstack.org/25357318:49
ducttape_robcresswell - have a review for me to check out?18:49
ducttape_and how big is big?18:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/horizon: Add style to wrap pre tag  https://review.openstack.org/25014618:53
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tsufievrobcresswell, ducttape_: guys, please keep me posted about the results, regardless what you'll find18:53
tsufiev3 times is a rare gain :)18:54
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tsufievducttape_, FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252961/18:54
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robcresswellducttape_: Just looking for sheer numbers on tables basically18:57
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robcresswellducttape_: As tsufiev mention ^^18:58
ducttape_ok, can do19:00
robcresswellAwesome, thanks19:00
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r1chardj0n3sthe latest in the xstatic saga, infra spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253296/ and example migrated project https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252752/ would appreciate "you're crazy" comments as appropriate pls :-)19:09
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robcresswellr1chardj0n3s: Legendary levels of patience, it seems19:28
robcresswellWill look in the morning.19:28
robcresswell:D19:28
r1chardj0n3swe'll get there :-)19:28
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robcresswelltqtran: responded to theme preview comments. I think you're missing the point of it19:35
robcresswellGotta step out for food.19:35
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tqtranrobcresswell: ok, will read19:38
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openstackgerritPaulo Ewerton Gomes Fragoso proposed openstack/horizon: Adding Identity NGProjects API  https://review.openstack.org/20858119:52
openstackgerritPaulo Ewerton Gomes Fragoso proposed openstack/horizon: Adding Identity NGProjects Panel  https://review.openstack.org/19913919:53
openstackgerritPaulo Ewerton Gomes Fragoso proposed openstack/horizon: Adding Identity NGProjects Create Action - Details  https://review.openstack.org/21535219:53
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openstackgerritPaulo Ewerton Gomes Fragoso proposed openstack/horizon: Adding NGProjects Create Action - Members  https://review.openstack.org/24534019:53
openstackgerritPaulo Ewerton Gomes Fragoso proposed openstack/horizon: Adding NGProjects Create Action - Quota  https://review.openstack.org/25241219:53
errolpaisHey all, rajatvig, kyleolivo and I are planning to start development for the 'Create Key Pair' screen under the 'Launch Instance' work flow. We could use some reviews for the page design: https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/main/#/console/5574142/119969778/preview Please take a look!19:55
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openstackgerritRajat Vig proposed openstack/horizon: Single Row Action button should appear as buttons  https://review.openstack.org/24379620:08
openstackgerritRajat Vig proposed openstack/horizon: WIP: Add Action to delete multiple and single images to images panel  https://review.openstack.org/21742220:08
openstackgerritRajat Vig proposed openstack/horizon: Allow passing item in the actions directive  https://review.openstack.org/25436520:08
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rajatvigtqtran_: have addressed a small set of concerns on the actions directive. addressing the prefix bit of the feedback next. have two ideas. will try to see how to create relevant patches20:09
tqtran_ok perfect, ping me when you have something up20:09
flwangmrunge: ping, re https://review.openstack.org/24600920:14
jasondotstarhowdy horizon team20:15
jasondotstarI've got a qn re: defining use cases20:15
ducttape_robcresswell - that is about 50% faster20:16
ducttape_400 items in a table view - 18 seconds, with robcresswell patch -  8 seconds20:17
ducttape_8)20:17
jasondotstarI'm looking for someone who may have helped to define the use cases for horizon. I'm in the process of establishing the openstack vahana project (a reignite of the openstack ios client)20:17
jasondotstarand I'm thinking it could be helpful to talk to someone involved with the use case documentation for horizon.20:17
ducttape_jasondotstar - I think you might be good to talk w hurgleburgler1, about horizon supporting responsive design20:18
jasondotstarducttape_: +120:19
ducttape_or try the alternate horizon css themes and see where they are, for responsive support20:19
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ducttape_I think they partially support what you are looking for.   you can argue about having a native ios client too, but responsive design seems like a good starting point20:19
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hurgleburgler1'material' is much more responsive than 'default' , we're hoping to get much farther along on that front.20:20
hurgleburgler1We're making a lot of progress on this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bootstrap-html-standards20:20
hurgleburgler1which will help out with the ground work needed20:20
hurgleburgler1As far as use cases go, #openstack-ux might be a good place to ask questions also20:21
jasondotstarhurgleburgler1: +120:21
hurgleburgler1the closer that we get to responsive + client side rendering, the easier it will be to eventually wrap horizon in cordova to support not just ios, but also android20:21
jasondotstarwe did think of talking to the ux team20:22
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openstackgerritPaulo Ewerton Gomes Fragoso proposed openstack/horizon: Adding hz-if-neutron-extensions directive  https://review.openstack.org/25259720:22
hurgleburgler1Its hard to know exactly what the current use cases are … we have to rely on surveys, which might not be entirely accurate20:22
jasondotstarwe're focused on native ios..... i could get into some of the brainstorming convos we've had around mobile web vs. native20:22
jasondotstarbut i won't eat up the channel with that.... right now, we just want someone to point us in the right direction regarding use case defining20:23
jasondotstarhurgleburgler1: re: survey reliance - +120:24
hurgleburgler1I'd reach out to ux about use cases20:25
hurgleburgler1there aren't may yet, as far as horizon goes20:25
hurgleburgler1probably even less if you are only going to support ios20:25
jasondotstarwe've heard about the Cordova effort, but I've yet to see how far that's progressed....20:25
hurgleburgler1in horizon or in general?20:26
jasondotstarhurgleburgler1: +1 - thing is... we're not sure if an 'app' is the end goal - we are considering iOS framework(s) as the end-goal deliverable as well.20:27
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r1chardj0n3sjasondotstar: frameworks for interfaces as a deliverable?20:28
jasondotstarr1chardj0n3s: correct. we're thinking about that......20:28
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rajatvigtqtran_: https://review.openstack.org/254365 fixes the item issue. fixing the callback issue now.20:29
openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Make integration tests pluggable  https://review.openstack.org/25360820:29
tqtran_rajatvig: ok, will look a bit later today20:29
rajatvigcool.20:30
jasondotstarhurgleburgler1: so we were thinking that it could be valuable to see what the horizon use cases are20:30
jasondotstarb/c they could potentially be parallel to what the vahana use cases could be.20:30
jasondotstaror at least give us a starting place :-)20:30
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r1chardj0n3sjasondotstar: I just have to ask: why not do this in a cross-platform manner - the app doesn't have to be that fancy, and you'd get Android users on board too20:39
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r1chardj0n3sjasondotstar: or, support the new work in Horizon to produce more client-side interfaces which are responsive20:40
PietHas everyone voted for the location of the Horizon/UX onsite?20:40
r1chardj0n3sjasondotstar: I'd be very interested to know the thought process behind going full iOS-exclusive app20:40
r1chardj0n3sPiet: how many responses you got?20:41
hurgleburgler1jasondotstar Piet might be able to provide some insight on those use cases too20:41
jasondotstarwell there are a couple reasons (in my mind):20:41
jasondotstar1- less wrapping this in Cordova (which could prove do negate this reason), the native apps have higher engagement numbers20:42
Pietr1chardj0n3s: 20 responses20:43
jasondotstar2- Again, not knowing much about Cordova..... with the native iOS app we've direct access to device features20:43
r1chardj0n3sPiet: that sounds pretty good20:43
jasondotstar3- and this is just a pure honestly play on what I prefer:  I'm just not that interesting in doing mobile web (HTML/JS) work20:43
Pietr1chardj0n3s: yep20:43
jasondotstars/interesting/interested20:44
jasondotstarI'd like to explore running a dashboard app on tvOS20:44
hurgleburgler1The seemlessness of a Cordova app relies heavily on the app's ability to mock mobile experiences … which is getting easier and better every day20:44
Pietjasondotstar: Are you working on a mobile app for Horizon?20:44
jasondotstarnotifications on the apple watch for alerts20:44
r1chardj0n3sPiet: iOS in particular20:45
jasondotstarPiet: yes.20:45
jasondotstariOS native as r1chardj0n3s says.20:45
r1chardj0n3sjasondotstar: so this is an excuse to play with all the shiny things, got it :-)20:45
Pietjasondotstar: Why iOS native?20:46
jasondotstarr1chardj0n3s: you could say that. but I've been in CloudOps20:46
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jasondotstarI'd love to see alerts on my watch for failures in my OpenStack deployment(s)20:46
PietOne of the challenges is that we really don't understand the use cases around mobile20:47
jasondotstarright!!!20:47
jasondotstarPiet: +10020:47
jasondotstarthat's why I'm here.20:47
jasondotstar:-)20:47
Piet:^)20:47
PietWould like to understand the use cases around the overview panel first20:48
jasondotstarI did a lightning talk on this at the Tokyo Summit20:48
r1chardj0n3sPiet: I'd say it'd be worth taking the results of the survey and contacting the highest-rated host location(s) and getting confirmation before the next horizon meeting this week20:48
PietMobile or Dashboard design20:48
hurgleburgler1https://github.com/leecrossley/cordova-plugin-apple-watch20:49
PietOK to introduce bias and talk about results?20:49
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jasondotstarhurgleburgler1: looking....20:49
jasondotstarhurgleburgler1: looks interesting20:50
PietPortland seems to be the winner20:50
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r1chardj0n3sPiet: it'd be great to be able to get the venue and date nailed down this week, yeah20:50
PietAustin/San Antonio are a close second if you combine them20:51
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r1chardj0n3sPiet: bleh :-)20:51
PietOddly, some people voted for one and not the other20:51
r1chardj0n3swe're gonna be stuck in Austin for the next summit ;-)20:51
hurgleburgler1I might be able to get to Portland!20:51
Pietr1chardj0n3s: Which one is bleh?20:51
r1chardj0n3sPiet: austin and san antonio ;-)20:51
jasondotstarso is there a real Cordova effort atm?20:52
hurgleburgler1baby steps … We have to become responsive and then client side20:52
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hurgleburgler1well … client side effort is going on at the same time20:52
hurgleburgler1but nothing is in concrete yet20:52
Pietr1chardj0n3s: Claire mentioned that we may be able to get a space in downtown Portland20:53
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r1chardj0n3sPiet: ok, so that's where I was headed with the confirming with the venues that won the poll before the meeting20:53
jasondotstarhurgleburgler1: where can i be a 'fl on the wall' ?20:53
jasondotstars/fl/fly20:53
jasondotstarhere?20:54
r1chardj0n3sPiet: then we can just present the winning location in the meeting, hopefully, and save ourselves a bunch of waffle20:54
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Pietr1chardj0n3s: Yeah, I kind of want to get started so the folks traveling can buy their tickets20:54
PietSo, dates....20:54
* r1chardj0n3s crosses fingers for mid-late Feb20:55
PietKind of a wash, but weeks of Feb 8th and 15th got the most votes20:57
hurgleburgler1jasondotstar likely here20:57
hurgleburgler1Feb 8th is better than Feb 15th!20:57
r1chardj0n3sI cannot attend Feb 8th :-P20:58
PietLess than three votes between the highest and lowest20:58
hurgleburgler1Ah dang it, I can't on the 15th20:58
Pietr1chardj0n3s: Feb 8th is is!  ;^)20:58
r1chardj0n3sPiet: :-P20:58
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Pietr1chardj0n3s: 15th?20:59
jasondotstaralright.21:00
jasondotstarwell, I'll poke the ux folks, see what the have for me21:00
Pietr1chardj0n3s: I believe that the 15th might be better for David, as well21:00
r1chardj0n3sPiet: yeah 15th or the week after are the only ones that work for me, sadly. I simply cannot leave the country on the 8th21:00
jasondotstarbut if either you have *any* interest in this effort, #openstack-vahana21:00
jasondotstarplz join.21:00
hurgleburgler1what about the week after?21:00
Pietjasondotstar: I am kind of the UX folks21:00
jasondotstaroh....21:00
jasondotstarok21:00
hurgleburgler1jasondotstar piet is ux ptl21:01
* jasondotstar salutes.21:01
hurgleburgler1there are number of us that are ux cores also21:01
Pietjasondotstar: Actually, there are about five UX cores in this channel21:01
matt-borland:)21:01
r1chardj0n3shurgleburgler1: 15th or 22nd work, yes21:01
jasondotstarPiet: +121:01
hurgleburgler1piet how were the votes for the 22nd?21:02
PietFeb 22 got the least votes21:02
r1chardj0n3sinteresting - I wonder why21:02
r1chardj0n3stoo far out for some maybe?21:03
hurgleburgler1maybe its more like a 3/4 cycle then21:03
PietBut, again, the difference between top and bottom is 14 and 11 votes respectively21:03
Pietr1chardj0n3s: hurgleburgler1 Yeah, my concern is pushing out too far and not being able to act of the stuff before the Summit21:05
r1chardj0n3syep21:05
hurgleburgler1yeah21:05
r1chardj0n3sI gotta run, hopefully back in a bit21:05
Pietjasondotstar: What did you need from me?21:05
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jasondotstarPiet: so we are looking to put together some use cases21:08
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jasondotstaras you said, we need to define them for a mobile client (or frameworks consumable by iOS interfaces)21:08
jasondotstarso we wanted to get an idea of what use cases were out there21:09
jasondotstarjust to gain a starting place21:09
jasondotstaralso, we could use someone's help21:09
jasondotstarobvs someone interested in the native iOS approach21:09
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jasondotstarto also help us with the use case work as well.21:10
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PietIt occured to me, as I was walking Bugs, that the use cases around mobile are kind of tied to use cases around the dashboard/overview21:13
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PietYears ago, the use case was that operators wanted good alerts rather than perform actions21:14
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jasondotstarPiet: +121:14
PietPossibly some actions around resolving alerts, ie restart21:15
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robcresswelltqtran_: Thanks Thai! I'll throw something together to make the nav nicer for ya21:16
tqtran_sweeeet!21:16
jasondotstarPiet: +1. we're thinking along the same lines.21:17
robcresswellAh damn erics gone, but looks like he was able to repeat the tests tsufiev, dropped from 18 secs to 8 on 400 items21:17
jasondotstarif the end goal is an app, it'd be more of a companion app to the fully featured web console21:17
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jasondotstarso we agree that only a subset of actions would be available21:19
jasondotstarPiet: ^^21:19
Pietjasondotstar: Kind of curious to hear how hurgleburgler responded when you said native app21:19
Pietjasondotstar: very focused subset21:20
jasondotstarthe mention or the Cordova effort came up21:20
jasondotstars/or/of21:20
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hurgleburglerPiet and I argue about the viability of mobile in Horizon :-D21:20
jasondotstarso I wanted to know how far along this effort is b/c if most ppl are rallying around that, it might be difficult to drum up interest in a native iOS project...21:21
Pietjasondotstar: One approach would be to run a survey to operators with a list of all possible tasks and assign them to web, tablet and moble21:21
jasondotstar+121:21
jasondotstarlike that idea.21:21
robcresswellI think basic responsiveness is one thing21:22
robcresswellBut in terms of mobile, there are way better uses of developer time right now :/21:22
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hurgleburglerIts important to note that general mobile use cases won't help to validate the importance writing an IOS specific app21:23
Pietrobcresswell: Thats kind of my impression.  There are a ton of priorities for horizon that are a bit higher although I think the survey is a good thing.21:24
PietChecking out for a bit - back in an hour21:24
jasondotstarperhaps we try for the survey21:27
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jasondotstarwhat's the preferred method to set something like that up? CIVS?21:41
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openstackgerritItxaka Serrano Garcia proposed openstack/horizon: Add ID to security groups on launch instance  https://review.openstack.org/25412321:53
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openstackgerritRajat Vig proposed openstack/horizon: Single Row Action button should appear as buttons  https://review.openstack.org/24379622:28
openstackgerritRajat Vig proposed openstack/horizon: Allow passing item in the actions directive  https://review.openstack.org/25436522:28
openstackgerritRajat Vig proposed openstack/horizon: WIP: Add Action to delete multiple and single images to images panel  https://review.openstack.org/21742222:28
openstackgerritRajat Vig proposed openstack/horizon: WIP: Allow callback prefix for actions directive  https://review.openstack.org/25441522:28
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openstackgerritKyle Olivo proposed openstack/horizon: WIP: Adding multiple row actions for the Image table  https://review.openstack.org/21796423:32
openstackgerritKyle Olivo proposed openstack/horizon: WIP: Adding multiple row actions for the Image table  https://review.openstack.org/21796423:32
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openstackgerritKyle Olivo proposed openstack/horizon: WIP: Adding multiple row actions for the Image table  https://review.openstack.org/21796423:41
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