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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/horizon: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/136564 | 06:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/django_openstack_auth: WIP test websso stuff https://review.openstack.org/136178 | 07:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Korn proposed openstack/horizon: Integration tests - Imagespage and test https://review.openstack.org/121506 | 09:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/horizon: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/136564 | 14:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Enable GET-filtering also for 'query' filters https://review.openstack.org/136455 | 17:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Build on GET-filtering to provide redirect with filtering https://review.openstack.org/136456 | 17:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timur Sufiev proposed openstack/horizon: Refactor horizon/common/_modal_form.html template https://review.openstack.org/122398 | 17:30 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | morning | 20:15 |
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| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: morning | 22:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hai lifeless | 22:29 |
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| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: Hey | 22:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hey rbertram | 22:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | just reading through the latest version of the identity wip | 22:50 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: Liked the angular pointer; think I understand it better. I want to look at the latest when I get a chance, too. | 22:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: I've been working on the API "REST" addition to sit behind this stuff, but I spent most of my time so far evaluating and rejecting the various REST frameworks for Django ;) [they are almost all designed to sit over Django models, so are 90% unnecessary] | 22:52 |
| r1chardj0n3s | might end up just using one of the AJAX frameworks, rather than a full REST framework | 22:52 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ... since it's really just the AJAX support we need | 22:52 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: Interesting. I'm thinking more about paging/sorting client-side & discussing w/ Thai, and the data's passage through Horizon's server-side might be the hard part. | 22:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: why so? | 22:54 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: what is django actually used for in the brand new world? | 22:54 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: that's what I'm trying to figure out | 22:55 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's a proxy to the APIs, aggregating them into one place, and doing some API cleanup/homogenisation as well | 22:55 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: I have done that before, but I thought Django was doing more with the data as it passes through | 22:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | there will be no Django models, and only a single Django view eventually. | 22:56 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: none of that seems particularly djangoy to me though | 22:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: what is it doing with the data in your mind? | 22:56 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: so let me rephrase :) what about being e.g. just a wsme thing ? | 22:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lifeless: no, but we need something there, so it might as well be django | 22:56 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | lifeless: because that's too big a change | 22:57 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: I'm thinking that Django is doing i18n stuff, translations & more, that must be duplicated client-side | 22:57 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: yeah, that's all client side | 22:57 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: And a lot of decisions about what actions go on a particular row, stuff like that. All client-able | 22:58 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: yes, all client | 22:58 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: it makes no sense to split the logic between server and client | 22:58 |
| r1chardj0n3s | server should only present a sensible API to the client (where sensible does the minimum necessary to handle various API revisioning in the service APIs) | 22:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we *could* move that to javascript as well, but we've already written it in django so might as well keep it there for now | 22:59 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: I don't know details (still farily new to Horizon), but I think it will combine data from different services on some screens. | 22:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | well, "django" ... the api/ directories which aren't django in any way :) | 22:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | er, directory, just the one | 22:59 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: e.g. I'm not sure all the Instances view is straight from Nova | 22:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: it's not, but the client should deal with that; caching data where appropriate | 23:00 |
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| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: that's what I've done in prior products, but we had a true SPA where we kept the data cached for the life of the session unless someone hit F5. Are you thinking that--or reload page each time we switch views? | 23:01 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: or caching data in local storage, or...? | 23:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: single-page app with local storage caching where it makes sense | 23:02 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: To make that work, we had to have a good eventing system | 23:02 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: To keep the cache data fresh | 23:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: angular has a good event system built in | 23:02 |
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| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: I meant events coming up from the server, assynchronously, when anything changed in the model. It was python work. | 23:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | for example, https://github.com/r1chardj0n3s/angboard/blob/master/app/scripts/controllers/keystone.js in the logout view | 23:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: hm, but the server has no state | 23:04 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: the *service apis* don't generate events, but you can poll them for state changes (angboard does that in the nova servers view) | 23:04 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: we avoided polling. We listened to certain events on the msg queue, and used websocket (or whatever) to forward to browser. Added a few new events where needed. | 23:05 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: Instance goes up, or down, or is added or deleted. Things like that. | 23:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: ok, so I'm showing my openstack noobness now, I wasn't aware of that | 23:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: ok, so we need to know how to get the message queue events up to the appropriate client... | 23:07 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: but that should just (just) be a case of exposing the message queue as a websocket that the interested clients can connect to | 23:09 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: more or less | 23:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | "just" :) | 23:10 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: At summit, I attended Zaqar session because of this issue. | 23:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: oh, cool | 23:10 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: It didn't give us a real solution to this, though. | 23:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :( | 23:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so I assume zaqar doesn't have a websocket interface | 23:11 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: It was a mechanism for sending events around between components, but kind of high level. Radomir (a non-newbie) was unimpressed, I think | 23:11 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: correct, no websocket. Not thinking of Horizon. | 23:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: le sigh | 23:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: another thing for the TODO list then | 23:11 |
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| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: Well, we've kicked around the idea of contributing ours... | 23:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: so that might be something that our "server" needs to provide... though I betcha there's something already written in the node.js programming language to do it :/ | 23:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (no, I absolutely am not advocating that we write any of Horizon in the node.js programming language, and will strenuously argue against any such moves :) | 23:13 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFTbC6JW7YE This is a SPA, scales up to 1000s, shows all changes realtime via assync updates | 23:15 |
| rbertram | Customized for IBM's Power products | 23:15 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: oh, you don't like node? | 23:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | powerpc is still a thing?! | 23:15 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | lifeless: the node.js programming language is wrong | 23:15 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: Love node | 23:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's like, I hate having to use Javascript in the browser already, it's such a horrid language, why would I ever *choose* to use that outside of the browser?! | 23:16 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: We'll have to talk about that sometime | 23:16 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: What language DO you like? | 23:16 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | Python :) | 23:18 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: dropped for a minute | 23:18 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: I like Python's syntax a lot; wish it was in browser. | 23:18 |
| lifeless | rbertram: look into pypy.js | 23:18 |
| lifeless | [I'm not suggesting we use that for horizon!] | 23:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's not just the syntax, it's not having to put up with brain-dead crap in JS | 23:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | pypy.js should be used for nothing at all :) | 23:19 |
| lifeless | r1chardj0n3s: How else am I going to run Nova in my browser? | 23:19 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: Yeah, I understand about the legacy crap. I like "JS: The Good Parts" | 23:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: yep. again, why anyone would *choose* to take a language as broken as JS and write things outside of the browser in it... | 23:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I understand the strongest argument is "well, at least we only need to learn one language" | 23:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (quite possibly the only argument) | 23:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's the people who write their node.js programming language code using *coffeescript* that I truly don't get | 23:21 |
| rbertram | r1chardj0n3s: I'm off to dinner. Not running away, I promise! :-) | 23:22 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | rbertram: dude, it's like Sunday night, go enjoy it. I'm stuck with Monday morning, you don't have to be :) | 23:22 |
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