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| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Hi | 08:18 |
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| amotoki | nikunj2512: hi | 08:19 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: i could not ping you yesterday while you are online. | 08:19 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: My fault also because when you pinged i wasn't there.. no problem.. Do you have 5 minutes?? | 08:20 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: sure | 08:21 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: In the Orchestration -> stack panel, when we launch a stack and if it fails then there is no option to relaunch the stack with same templete | 08:22 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: I was thinking it will be a good feature to implement for Heat | 08:23 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: What do you think? | 08:23 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: honestly I am not an usual user of Heat. It sounds nice to me to relauch or recover a stack form partial failure. | 08:24 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: I am also not a usual user of heat but it came to mind while working on a heat bug. | 08:25 |
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| amotoki | nikunj2512: I think we have many feature gaps in variosu projects, and closing those gaps are really nice :-) | 08:25 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Yes, i was also thinking the same thing that it will nice to have this feature.. So, i am thinking of implementing this feature | 08:25 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Yes :) | 08:26 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: previous Heat behavior is painful if a stack has many servers :-( | 08:26 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Yes but day by day they are improving things and now converenge engine is coming into picture and it will improve things dastrically | 08:27 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: So, According to Your view will it be advicable to implement this feature now or later? | 08:28 |
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| amotoki | nikunj2512: i am not sure how the new engine affects the feature you try to work on. Is it a drustic API change in Heat? | 08:29 |
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| amotoki | I think if it affects our UI design much it seem better to wait for a while. If not, we can go. | 08:30 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: External APIs will not be changed but their internal working will be | 08:30 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: It will not affect our UI design, it will just add one more option in the row actions | 08:32 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: if so it seems to me that there is blocking items from horizon side. | 08:32 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: like? | 08:33 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: like what? | 08:34 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: you told that "there is blocking items from horizon side". So what are those blocking items?? | 08:34 |
| amotoki | woops..... i forgot most important word.... | 08:35 |
| amotoki | there is no blocking itmes..... | 08:35 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: ^^ | 08:36 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: yes, You indeed forgot most important word. i will investigate on the heat side more but so far from my investigation, i found out that relauch of stack is possible | 08:36 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: So, then can i start work on this?? | 08:37 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: I believe you can. | 08:37 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: is there any blueprint? | 08:38 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: or bug? | 08:38 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: i think bug... Wow!! i was just going to ask same question | 08:38 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: So will filing a bug will be good?? | 08:39 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: if it is small enough, it fits a bug. | 08:39 |
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| amotoki | nikunj2512: on the other hand, it seems better to use blueprint from the point of view of tracking new features. | 08:40 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: It will be like having an update option of images.. | 08:40 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: either will work for me. | 08:40 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Yes, but blueprint review takes alot of time | 08:40 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: And bug will be faster | 08:41 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: horizon does not use spec review now. If it has clear description and approach, we can approve it soon. | 08:41 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Ok... So, You tell.. if You say blueprint is better than i will submit one or if you think bug then i will file one... Both is fine | 08:42 |
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| amotoki | nikunj2512: is it up to me? | 08:44 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: You are better Judge for this.... I am still a novice -:) | 08:44 |
| nikunj2512 | :-) | 08:44 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: you seem to prefer a bug to handle this topic. it is okay to me. but perhaps we miss the feature in the release note. | 08:44 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Ok... then i will submit the blueprint.. | 08:45 |
| nikunj2512 | :-) | 08:45 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: :-) it is hard to find features in bugs.. | 08:46 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Ok :-) | 08:46 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Thank you for Your time | 08:46 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: :-) | 08:47 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: Hi | 12:40 |
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| jpich | nikunj2512: hey | 13:08 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Hello again.. do You have few minutes?? | 13:09 |
| jpich | nikunj2512: What's up? | 13:09 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: i wish to implement a new feature in Heat and submitted a blueprint for it. It will be helpful, if You can take a look and tell me if i am missing something in it. | 13:10 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: This is the url -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/relaunch-failed-stack | 13:10 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: I am still new with filling blueprint and it will be helpful to get some comments from experts :) | 13:11 |
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| jpich | nikunj2512: Actually, we're changing a bit the blueprint system :) So you might want to expand the description to include the same fields than in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/template | 13:11 |
| jpich | You'll be one of the first to follow it! | 13:12 |
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| jpich | It's not clear currently if there is an existing heat API already to do this or if it's something horizon will have to do by itself | 13:12 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: i had talked with Heat guys and it is possible | 13:13 |
| jpich | If it doesn't exist in Heat directly may be worthwhile chatting with some of the heat folks and ask whether they'd consider including it | 13:13 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: Horizon will able to do it with itself | 13:13 |
| jpich | nikunj2512: If it can be supported by Heat directly it sounds like we might want to have it implemented there first? | 13:13 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: i asked and they told for this there are steps but no direct api and it will not be implemented in near future | 13:13 |
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| jpich | I guess it depends how involved these steps are | 13:14 |
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| jpich | whenever we try to work around API limitations in the dashboard it tends to backfire sooner or later... | 13:14 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Yes... According to my discussion with them we can first abandon the stack and then adpot it.. | 13:15 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Yes i understand but i am talking about workaround... for relaunching a failed stack, these are the correct steps | 13:16 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Sorry missed no there in the workaround | 13:16 |
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| jpich | nikunj2512: I think you should include all that background information in the blueprint. "Is there API support for this" is the first question whenever someone opens a Horizon blueprint :) | 13:16 |
| jpich | and then describe the steps required so it's hopefully clearer how much workaroundy things this will involve | 13:17 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Ok.. | 13:17 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Anything more?? | 13:17 |
| jpich | nikunj2512: Not that I can think of right away! Following that template + information on API support :) | 13:17 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Ok... i will try to submit by the end of day today... Thank you for the info.. and for your time also | 13:18 |
| jpich | nikunj2512: Np, glad if that was helpful, thanks for your contributions | 13:18 |
| jpich | Don't forget to help us with reviews too :-) | 13:19 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: just one more this... This new format, i am confused... like other projects we don't have a specs branch | 13:19 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: So, i just have to use the old way of submitting a blueprint using this new format?? | 13:20 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: Yes... I will helpout more in reviews :-) | 13:20 |
| jpich | nikunj2512: No, simply use your current blueprint and update it to match that format | 13:20 |
| jpich | the same categories | 13:20 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: ok | 13:21 |
| jpich | Yep, that's it | 13:21 |
| jpich | Same blueprint, same submission process, different format for the description | 13:21 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: ohh.... A question, why don't we use specs like other projects?? | 13:22 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: and submit them on openstack gerrit? | 13:22 |
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| jpich | nikunj2512: 'cause it's very heavy weight and we usually don't need that fine level of detailed discussion, since we rarely have API design/changes to discuss and develop. If we can avoid adding an extra bottleneck, we will | 13:24 |
| jpich | Still we've been having issues with blueprints not containing enough information so we want to encourage people to include more details | 13:24 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: ya... good point.. Yes, you are right... Thank You again | 13:25 |
| jpich | You're welcome | 13:25 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: Sorry for disturbing but In Testing section, what is excepted. I didn't understood much from the description provided there | 13:50 |
| jpich | nikunj2512: How can a reviewer test your patch, to verify that it does what it should? Is there any settings to configure, in Horizon or another service? Where to find the new options/menus/features? | 13:52 |
| jpich | Like, "steps to reproduce" for a bug except for the new feature :-) | 13:52 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Oh... Ok... Thank You | 13:52 |
| jpich | No problems! | 13:52 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: ANd what about Doc changes?? I mean we have to mention what this new feature is and how to use it | 13:53 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: but nothing more other than those | 13:53 |
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| jpich | nikunj2512: I think the description for that field is pretty clear with the examples. I don't think your new option will require doc changes | 13:54 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: ok.. Thank You again :-) | 13:55 |
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| jpich | :) | 13:55 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: i have updated the blueprint according to new format, please take a look when you get time :-) | 14:09 |
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| jpich | nikunj2512: When you say "store" the data, do you mean we can get the data that was used back from heat and temporarily store in a variable, or that we'd need some sort of database to store the template info when a user launches a stack? | 14:13 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: we can get the data that was used back from heat and temporarily store in a variable | 14:15 |
| jpich | nikunj2512: Great! I would advise making that clearer (e.g. indicate which heat API to call) | 14:16 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: For step b and d i have mentioned which api call to use and i will mention it for getting the user data from the heat | 14:16 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Thank You for You review and comments. They are helpful | 14:17 |
| jpich | The steps seems a bit convoluted to me, like this has the smell of "working around API limitations in a way that will come back to bite us" for not that much benefit, reading the motivation. It doesn't seem like a widely useful use case | 14:17 |
| jpich | That would be helpful! thanks | 14:17 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: But i think it will be helpful to users as heat becomes more accepted as Orchestration engine | 14:19 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: As i mentioned it is time consuming and painful to start the creating of a stack containing large number of resources from the scrach and this will save the time | 14:20 |
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| jpich | I can imagine, but the use case is strange, e.g. how likely are end users to delete resources so that it matches rather than start a new stack with new values? | 14:21 |
| jpich | I don't use orchestration very often so it could well be why I don't understand the value - at the moment reading the motivation it seems to me there will a painful action required either way, so do we need to work around APIs in order to implement this one? | 14:22 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: As i mentioned again, it is not a work around againt the APIs there are the legimate steps which anyone can follow from the CLI to re-launch the stack | 14:23 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: Let me give you one more scenrio, sometime user might give an image name or flavor name or any other value wrong and in that case this feature will be useful instead re created whole thing again | 14:24 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: i have updated the blueprint, to provide some more useful info.. Please take a look at your convenience | 14:34 |
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| jpich | Cool, thanks for updating nikunj2512 | 14:46 |
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| nikunj2512 | jpich: Thank You for reviewing it again. | 14:51 |
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| ericpeterson | question on default projects..... seems like horizon does not use those for initial login. right??? | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | ericpeterson: it does not | 16:33 |
| jpich | ericpeterson: Dunno but it sounds to me like we should. It seems a bit random at times, which project will get picked first | 16:33 |
| ericpeterson | primary project I mean, whatever the term is | 16:33 |
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| ericpeterson | agreed | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure it's present in the token, but can't remember for certain | 16:33 |
| ericpeterson | I love the smell of opportunity in the morning | 16:34 |
| jpich | In the Keystone world what's its use? | 16:34 |
| jpich | ericpeterson: Such enthusiasm! | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | jpich: none, I believe | 16:34 |
| ericpeterson | I'd say the #1 use for it should be horizon | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | IIRC it may be slated for removal | 16:34 |
| jpich | I see | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | not certain on that either though | 16:34 |
| ericpeterson | in keystone v5 ? | 16:34 |
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| david-lyle | due next week | 16:35 |
| jpich | Sounds like a question for the end of our cross project sessions should there be time | 16:35 |
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| tzumainn | hey, random question about the overview page; if I read the code correctly, it essentially iterates over all, say, instances and gathers up statistics as it goes along, correct? | 16:36 |
| tzumainn | does that really scale? | 16:37 |
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| jpich | tzumainn: For the usages table you mean? | 16:37 |
| tzumainn | yeah, and the pie charts | 16:37 |
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| jpich | I think we call to the quota usages API for the charts, except for Neutron | 16:38 |
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| tzumainn | ah, so I am reading the code wrong | 16:39 |
| tzumainn | :( | 16:39 |
| jpich | I mean the limits give us the data pre computed, and then there's still quota methods lying around that often do it by themselves but I don't recall if/where they're actually used... It's definitely an area ripe for improvements | 16:39 |
| jpich | of the delete-all-the-code kind | 16:39 |
| tzumainn | I'm going to back away now | 16:39 |
| tzumainn | on tiptoes | 16:39 |
| jpich | tzumainn: I could also be remembering wrong. But I fixed a bug related to the "in use" data on the charts 2 days ago and that was definitely coming straight from the absolute limits APIs :) | 16:40 |
| jpich | It's possible we still do silly things elsewhere though | 16:40 |
| jpich | tzumainn: but deleting code is fun? | 16:40 |
| tzumainn | jpich, knocking down houses is fun, yes! | 16:41 |
| jpich | Exactly! | 16:41 |
| jpich | Paris is going to be so much fun | 16:41 |
| tzumainn | it's when you need to build them back up again that you suddenly realize you wish you had the sword of +6 delegation | 16:41 |
| tzumainn | jpich, okay, so generally speaking though - if we need summary statistics for something, we go bother the relevant openstack service to provide that data for us, right? | 16:42 |
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| jpich | It's a lot better all around yeah | 16:42 |
| jpich | but sometimes it's just not possible | 16:43 |
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| jpich | looking at you Neutron | 16:43 |
| tzumainn | okay, I think I see the big picture now | 16:43 |
| tzumainn | thank you, jpich! | 16:43 |
| jpich | Happy to vaguely remember things anytime! | 16:43 |
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| ericpeterson | keystone room gets chatty, go in there at your own peril | 16:51 |
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| david-lyle | we just ignore each other here and make up our own answers | 16:52 |
| ericpeterson | as it should be | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | It's a healthy mid-west attitude | 16:52 |
| ericpeterson | we know best | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | all hail the jello-belt | 16:52 |
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| lhcheng | I like to make the sorting of image and snapshot dropdown configurable in the Launch Instance page. We already have CREATE_INSTANCE_FLAVOR_SORT available, wondering if I should follow the same pattern or create a CREATE_INSTANCE_SORT dict that would contain all three type of sorting. | 17:16 |
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| lhcheng | upside, the config would be organized. downside, existing user of CREATE_INSTANCE_FLAVOR_SORT have to move to new setting. | 17:18 |
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| lhcheng | david-lyle: thoughts on adding more settings? :) | 17:20 |
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| jpich | lhcheng: Bugs/Features around Launch Instance tend to get closed because of the big redesign that will solve all the problems | 17:24 |
| jpich | Hopefully we can get it sorted through kilo and that will solve your problems too :) | 17:25 |
| lhcheng | hah | 17:25 |
| david-lyle | :D | 17:26 |
| lhcheng | hopefully solve and not add more :D | 17:27 |
| david-lyle | I like the configurability of more settings, as long as they have a rational default | 17:27 |
| jpich | new problems/exceptions are progress | 17:27 |
| jpich | More settings make puppies sad | 17:27 |
| lhcheng | I guess this is one of the topics for the contributor meetup | 17:30 |
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| lhcheng | lol | 17:30 |
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| david-lyle | jpich, it's the OpenStack way | 17:31 |
| david-lyle | who are we to argue | 17:31 |
| jpich | We could be Trailblazing Thought Leaders | 17:31 |
| jpich | No more settings! One size fits all for everyone ;) | 17:31 |
| david-lyle | haha | 17:32 |
| david-lyle | we do know best | 17:32 |
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| lhcheng | to users: "this is better, trust us" | 17:32 |
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| david-lyle | :D | 17:33 |
| jpich | david-lyle: Thanks for the update to the spec template! Delighted to realise that subscribing only tells you of whiteboard updates, not description updates... | 17:34 |
| jpich | It's lookin' good | 17:34 |
| david-lyle | yet another feature of launchpad | 17:34 |
| david-lyle | I think we can finalize it at the summit and move forward from there | 17:35 |
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| jpich | david-lyle: nikunj2512 has been test-dogfooding it :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/relaunch-failed-stack | 17:38 |
| jpich | It helps a lot already | 17:38 |
| david-lyle | whoa, nice. A bp I can understand. Not sure what to do | 17:39 |
| jpich | A scary new worlds awaits us out there | 17:40 |
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| lhcheng | The BP might be longer than the code :P | 17:45 |
| nikunj2512 | lhcheng: Probably :) | 17:46 |
| david-lyle | nikunj2512: added a couple of questions to the whiteboard | 17:47 |
| lhcheng | nikunj2512: nicely written! | 17:47 |
| nikunj2512 | lhcheng: Thank You but jpich is too be created also for helping me | 17:47 |
| nikunj2512 | david-lyle: Yes, i just now and writing a reply :) | 17:48 |
| nikunj2512 | sorry credited not created... Sorry... too sleepy :) | 17:48 |
| jpich | :-) | 17:49 |
| nikunj2512 | david-lyle: can i ask why You wrote Nov 10 as a date in blueprint comments?? | 17:49 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich, david-lyle: Tomorrow i am going to convert one more blueprint wrt to new format... But as david-lyle as new format is good, explains many things to reviewers and saves time | 17:51 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich, david-lyle: Tomorrow i am going to convert one more blueprint wrt to new format... But as david-lyle said new format is good, explains many things to reviewers and saves time | 17:51 |
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| david-lyle | nikunj2512: I'm an idiot | 17:52 |
| david-lyle | :) | 17:52 |
| jpich | lol | 17:52 |
| nikunj2512 | david-lyle: hmm... | 17:53 |
| nikunj2512 | david-lyle: Are we all in one way or other.. :-) | 17:54 |
| david-lyle | I more than others at times | 17:54 |
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| nikunj2512 | david-lyle: i had answers your questions and thank You for taking a look :- | 17:59 |
| nikunj2512 | :-) | 17:59 |
| nikunj2512 | david-lyle: Bye and good night everyone :-) | 18:02 |
| david-lyle | good night | 18:02 |
| jpich | Good night! | 18:02 |
| nikunj2512 | :-) | 18:02 |
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| thiagop | david-lyle: Hi! Have we reached a fair decision about that session stuff? | 18:36 |
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