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| openstackgerrit | Nguyen Phuong An proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas master: Adding unique constraint for port_id https://review.openstack.org/512154 | 01:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas-dashboard master: .gitignore: add translation catalogs (.mo and .pot) https://review.openstack.org/520335 | 07:47 |
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| reedip | o/ | 13:40 |
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| yushiro | hi | 14:00 |
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| annp | hi | 14:00 |
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| yushiro | #startmeeting fwaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 16 14:00:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yushiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 14:00 |
| SridarK | Hi FWaaS folks | 14:00 |
| chandanc | Hello All | 14:01 |
| yushiro | #chair SridarK yushiro xgerman_ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman_ yushiro | 14:01 |
| yushiro | I think today is xgerman_ :) | 14:01 |
| xgerman_ | One sec | 14:01 |
| SridarK | yes | 14:01 |
| xgerman_ | ok | 14:02 |
| SridarK | xgerman_: do u want me to start off with summit feedback | 14:02 |
| xgerman_ | yes | 14:02 |
| SridarK | #topic Summit feedback | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit feedback (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 14:02 | |
| SridarK | So this summit the attendance it seems was abt 2400 or so - again this is what i heard not official figures | 14:03 |
| SridarK | there were not as many contributors at least from neutron | 14:03 |
| yushiro | yeah | 14:04 |
| reedip | damn bad luck | 14:04 |
| SridarK | many folks i know did not make it because Sydney is quite far for most folks | 14:04 |
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| xgerman_ | yes, indeed | 14:04 |
| doude | Hi | 14:04 |
| yushiro | doude, hi | 14:05 |
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| SridarK | amongst FWaaS, yushiro, doude and myself were there and we had met up twice to discuss some of our priorities so it was useful | 14:05 |
| SridarK | lot of focus on containers and OpenStack | 14:05 |
| yushiro | yes | 14:06 |
| xgerman_ | they have most of the talks as videos online | 14:07 |
| SridarK | in our FWaaS discussions - we went over the L2 support patches and the priorities and had a good discussions with doude on refactoring to use service drivers | 14:07 |
| SridarK | which was something we have wanted to do from the I release | 14:08 |
| SridarK | so our priorities to focus on merging the L2 support, more testing and pull in the Service drivers as major actions and pull in some of the things we have been discussing such as Audit support and look at the Common Classifier (depending on what we see as community adoption) | 14:09 |
| SridarK | i think those were the main things to bring back to the team | 14:09 |
| SridarK | xgerman_: +1 on videos | 14:10 |
| reedip | so what are the targetted plans | 14:10 |
| reedip | I mean do we have a roadmap for the patches ? | 14:10 |
| SridarK | reedip: step 1 to merge in L2 support, the agent is done, i want to complete my testing and then i am good to +A | 14:11 |
| yushiro | SridarK, +1 | 14:11 |
| reedip | ok | 14:11 |
| SridarK | step 2: Pull in the driver and coexistence with SG | 14:11 |
| reedip | SridarK : lets write this down as the roadmap for the Q cycle in the fwaas etherpad , that ways we would know where we are lagging | 14:11 |
| SridarK | this will need more testing | 14:11 |
| SridarK | reedip: ok i will add that | 14:12 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 14:12 |
| reedip | We generally have everything in the meeting but I forget it by next meeting, I hope others dont though :) | 14:12 |
| xgerman_ | I am really hoping we get L2 in by Q-2 | 14:12 |
| SridarK | had a chat with chandanc on step 2 - lets discuss that today - he has some things to bring up for discussion today | 14:13 |
| chandanc | sure SridarK | 14:13 |
| SridarK | step 3 Focus on doude's changes for service driver - i think we can pull this in for Q | 14:13 |
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| reedip | IMHO, it would should be our only focus for Q-3 | 14:14 |
| SridarK | and we focus on more testing both manual and translating that to tempest | 14:14 |
| reedip | with functional/fullstack testing improvement | 14:14 |
| SridarK | reedip: +1 | 14:14 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 14:14 |
| yushiro | +1 | 14:15 |
| SridarK | As other features, lets pull in Audit RFE and other things that we come up with | 14:15 |
| xgerman_ | I like to see remote FWG… | 14:15 |
| SridarK | xgerman_: +1 lets add that to the list | 14:15 |
| reedip | xgerman_ whats that ? | 14:15 |
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| xgerman_ | it’s the same as remote security groups — so you can have rules referencing ports in other groups | 14:16 |
| annp | +1 xgerman_ | 14:16 |
| SridarK | Common classifier - we can look at as well | 14:16 |
| chandanc | xgerman_: thats nice | 14:16 |
| SridarK | SG logging should get in this cycle | 14:17 |
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| SridarK | so yushiro will plan for FWaaS logging as well but possibly next cycle | 14:17 |
| annp | SridarK, yeah. :) | 14:17 |
| yushiro | SridarK, Yes, definitely... I hope. I wish. I believe :) | 14:17 |
| SridarK | :-) | 14:17 |
| xgerman_ | The Holoiday season starts in the US so… | 14:18 |
| hoangcx_ | lol yushiro | 14:18 |
| xgerman_ | #topic L2 support | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L2 support (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 14:18 | |
| SridarK | So this was the tentative plan, again nothing is cast in stone - but again this is nothing new - i think we are all on the same page | 14:18 |
| SridarK | sorry xgerman_ go ahead | 14:19 |
| xgerman_ | it’s mostly we need to discuss annp’s patch | 14:19 |
| SridarK | i had some issues with my deployment so could not finish my tests | 14:19 |
| SridarK | once i complete - i am good with the agent PS | 14:19 |
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| SridarK | xgerman_: yes | 14:20 |
| SridarK | also lets give the floor to chandanc to bring up some discussion | 14:20 |
| chandanc | sure, | 14:20 |
| annp | xgerman_: yes, chandanc, please go ahead | 14:21 |
| chandanc | I have done some test with the co-existense patch, | 14:21 |
| chandanc | but the idea is a bit different here | 14:21 |
| chandanc | let me share the link to the ppt for the same | 14:21 |
| chandanc | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tRf-JQQiF0v_BdJahDjraxSEgz3c41YGdzHj3ui1C0Q/edit?usp=sharing | 14:21 |
| SridarK | annp: pls jump in as u had planned a mtg last week too - i am not fully aware of the outcome | 14:22 |
| chandanc | the second slide should make things clear about the proposal | 14:22 |
| yushiro | chandanc, OK | 14:23 |
| chandanc | in the co existense case i am proposing for a 2 table based abbroach to hold just the drop rules in fwaas policies | 14:23 |
| xgerman_ | slide 4: “Conntrack handling is delegated to Security Groups tables” — we still need to pull the conntrack entry for ports we deny | 14:23 |
| chandanc | everything else is delegated to SG | 14:24 |
| reedip | why just the drop tables ? | 14:24 |
| reedip | oh the reject and accept are given to SG | 14:24 |
| annp | chandanc, nice idea! | 14:24 |
| chandanc | xgerman_: we will have rule based match and drop | 14:25 |
| chandanc | ya | 14:25 |
| xgerman_ | but if the connections is alreday in conntrack won’t they bypass ys? | 14:25 |
| reedip | one question... why FW Egress is going to SG Egress. Wont it be the opposite ? | 14:25 |
| chandanc | xgerman_: i think the contrack will be over ridden as our tables are the first in the stack | 14:25 |
| reedip | We have FW -> SG -> Node , right ? | 14:25 |
| chandanc | reedip: yes | 14:26 |
| xgerman_ | mmh, not sure…it often bypasses things for speed | 14:26 |
| reedip | chandanc : ok , I am confused with the yes... I dont know what I said was right :) | 14:26 |
| chandanc | We have FW -> SG -> Node , right ? | 14:27 |
| chandanc | yes to that | 14:27 |
| reedip | ok ... so chandanc : again my question ... would FWEgress table forward the packet to SG Egress table ? | 14:27 |
| annp | chandanc, have you tested with your proposal? | 14:28 |
| reedip | shouldnt it be the opposite ? I mean the ingress is also the same ... | 14:28 |
| chandanc | the flow of packet is vm1 - Egress of FWAAS - Base of SG Egress - Egress Rules of SG and then reverse | 14:28 |
| chandanc | i have just generated the outputs | 14:28 |
| chandanc | annp: have a look here http://paste.openstack.org/show/626423/ | 14:28 |
| annp | chandanc, let's me see | 14:29 |
| chandanc | this is for co-exist case | 14:29 |
| chandanc | sure | 14:29 |
| SridarK | annp: what are ur thoughts regarding conn track do u see any issues | 14:29 |
| chandanc | in stand alone mode complete set of rules are generated http://paste.openstack.org/show/626424/ | 14:29 |
| xgerman_ | SridarK +1 — conntrack worries me as well | 14:30 |
| chandanc | i think people can have a look and think about it, we can discuss during the wek | 14:30 |
| annp | SridarK, yeah, i think the problem related to conntrack | 14:30 |
| SridarK | yes this was defn one of the things we wanted to flush out and discuss with everyone | 14:30 |
| chandanc | ok, this is what i have on the conntrack part | 14:31 |
| SridarK | I am not that familiar but annp hoangcx_ - u guys are the experts | 14:31 |
| chandanc | the connection is initiated - and as it traverses through the conntrack modules the entry is made to new connection depending on te fact that it is allowed by firewall | 14:32 |
| xgerman_ | yes, my worry is if we get a rule to deny an established connection | 14:33 |
| chandanc | once the conntrack entry is made, any related or reply packet to the original connection is allowed | 14:33 |
| annp | SridarK, chandanc, actually, i haven't understood why conntrack has been changed from +new-est to +est-rep+rpl for first packet. | 14:33 |
| chandanc | then the connection goes to eastablished | 14:33 |
| chandanc | now if we have a deny rule in the first table, the new connection cannot be created | 14:34 |
| chandanc | if a eastablish connection is present and a deny rule is added to fwaas, it will be added to the first table | 14:35 |
| SridarK | xgerman_: the workflow u bring up is that we have an est connection, then the user updates the policy with a rule that should deny this est flow ? | 14:35 |
| xgerman_ | yep | 14:35 |
| chandanc | and the rules in the first table will take precedence over the conntrack allow rules in the SG tables later | 14:35 |
| chandanc | SridarK: yes | 14:36 |
| chandanc | annp: i think as we have 2 tables managing conntrack there is a possibllity of FWaaS tables making the conntrack entry , so when the packet reaches the SG table it is not new any more | 14:36 |
| annp | chandanc, ah, yes, you're right | 14:38 |
| hoangcx_ | +1 xgerman_'s concern. It was occurred with iptables conntrack (we fixed it). For OVS, we need to check for that. | 14:38 |
| chandanc | hoangcx: i agree conntrack needs to be verified by testing, it can bring up unthough of cases | 14:39 |
| annp | chandanc, do you mean in your approach, conntrack will be managed by fwaas, right? | 14:41 |
| chandanc | no by SG alone | 14:41 |
| chandanc | in co-exist case | 14:41 |
| chandanc | FWaaS tables will only take care of deny rules to explicitly drop packets | 14:42 |
| annp | chandanc, I mean in co-exist case, fwg will be create conntrack entry, right? | 14:42 |
| chandanc | annp no, SG will create the conntrack, once it is know that the connection is allowed by both FWaaS and SG rules | 14:43 |
| chandanc | any connection not allowed by FWaaS will be already dropped in the initial tables and will never reach SG | 14:43 |
| xgerman_ | ok, that makes sense | 14:44 |
| chandanc | if the connection is also allowed by SG only then conntrack will be added | 14:44 |
| chandanc | xgerman_: thanks :) | 14:44 |
| annp | chandanc, that makes sense, it's same my initial idea | 14:45 |
| chandanc | annp: i agree :) | 14:45 |
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| chandanc | i just tried to make it simpler with 2 tables only | 14:45 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, I like the simpler approach even if it means different code paths for stand-alone/co-existence | 14:46 |
| annp | chandanc, but i'm afraid about performance in case co-existence, a packets must be travelled into all accept flows of fwg, right? | 14:47 |
| chandanc | xgerman_: actually i have the code merged for standalone and co-exist, and it is triggered based on a flag | 14:47 |
| chandanc | annp, not sure i got the case | 14:47 |
| hoangcx_ | I think we don't need to care performance at initial step | 14:48 |
| hoangcx_ | (OVS performance looks so good AFAIK) | 14:49 |
| yushiro | hoangcx_, +1 | 14:49 |
| chandanc | hoangcx: agree, i would prefer to be correct then to be performent for the first pass | 14:49 |
| annp | chandanc, ah, ok. | 14:49 |
| hoangcx_ | We can enhance it later then when functionality land | 14:50 |
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| SridarK | but lets evaluate annp's concern so we know what the downsides are | 14:50 |
| chandanc | sure SridarK | 14:50 |
| annp | SridarK, +1 | 14:50 |
| hoangcx_ | SridarK: +1 | 14:50 |
| yushiro | SridarK, +1 | 14:51 |
| chandanc | lets bring up the cases where we see issues, so that we know the problems | 14:51 |
| chandanc | +1 | 14:51 |
| chandanc | I would like to push in the code to gerrit for better review | 14:52 |
| SridarK | +1 | 14:52 |
| annp | chandanc, yeah, Please do that. | 14:52 |
| chandanc | i can work on the co-existance patch from annp, or a separate one | 14:52 |
| SridarK | Also if folks can think thru this more | 14:52 |
| yushiro | chandanc, will take a look. | 14:52 |
| chandanc | Up to annp | 14:53 |
| chandanc | :) i hope annp has a backup of his code | 14:53 |
| annp | chandanc, yes, please update my patch. I have backup once. :) | 14:53 |
| SridarK | chandanc: , annp: if u can sync up more to ensure that things are good and if all use cases work that will work | 14:54 |
| chandanc | cool annp | 14:54 |
| SridarK | gerrit or offline | 14:54 |
| SridarK | chandanc: thx for putting together a ppt to clarify things | 14:54 |
| chandanc | Sure SridarK | 14:54 |
| xgerman_ | T-5 | 14:55 |
| reedip | need to leave, another meeting.. will check rest of the discussion later ... thanks :) | 14:55 |
| chandanc | I will update the PS by tomorrow after some cleanup | 14:55 |
| yushiro | chandanc, Thanks. | 14:56 |
| SridarK | sounds good | 14:56 |
| annp | chandanc: thanks | 14:56 |
| SridarK | Also i was wondering why someone would want to enable both L2 FWaaS and SG (other than a transition period) | 14:57 |
| chandanc | yushiro: annp please review the patch once i publish and let me know | 14:57 |
| yushiro | chandanc, YEEES!! | 14:57 |
| annp | chandanc, sure | 14:57 |
| SridarK | i would think we it will be either - or | 14:57 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, eventually it should all be FW | 14:58 |
| SridarK | and eventually we get to a point we have only one security model on L2 | 14:58 |
| chandanc | SridarK: i would like to think so | 14:58 |
| SridarK | we should also have a plan if we have a deployment with SG on iptables and L2 FWaaS | 14:58 |
| yushiro | Finally, we are enough to use only FWG. However, I think it is more useful by using SG with 'remote_group_id' like AWS SG. | 14:58 |
| SridarK | i think we called out that we will not support that | 14:59 |
| chandanc | SridarK: yes that one is not covered | 14:59 |
| SridarK | but we should understand the implications and if we need to disallow that in our code | 14:59 |
| SridarK | 1 min | 14:59 |
| yushiro | Good discussion today :) | 15:00 |
| xgerman_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "#openstack-fwaas" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 16 15:00:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| SridarK | +1 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2017/fwaas.2017-11-16-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2017/fwaas.2017-11-16-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2017/fwaas.2017-11-16-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| SridarK | thanks all for joining | 15:00 |
| yushiro | Thanks all. Good night. | 15:00 |
| chandanc | thanks all, bye | 15:00 |
| xgerman_ | next week is a Holiday in the US | 15:00 |
| SridarK | xgerman_: yes | 15:01 |
| xgerman_ | SridarK - will you be around? | 15:01 |
| SridarK | xgerman_: yes i will be around | 15:01 |
| xgerman_ | or should we skip? | 15:01 |
| xgerman_ | ok, 6 am is early enough… | 15:01 |
| SridarK | xgerman_: sigh too early :-) | 15:01 |
| xgerman_ | that too | 15:01 |
| annp | thanks all. G9 :) | 15:02 |
| yushiro | xgerman_, SridarK We're national holiday too in Japan. | 15:02 |
| SridarK | maybe we can keep the mtg - esp since most folks on the driver side of things do no have a holiday | 15:02 |
| SridarK | yushiro: oh really | 15:02 |
| yushiro | 23th Nov. | 15:02 |
| xgerman_ | mmh | 15:03 |
| SridarK | maybe we can keep it - in case annp and chandanc need to close on things | 15:03 |
| SridarK | i can be there | 15:03 |
| xgerman_ | me, too | 15:03 |
| yushiro | SridarK, OK, I see. | 15:03 |
| SridarK | we can keep it short | 15:03 |
| xgerman_ | yep… | 15:03 |
| yushiro | SridarK, If possible, I can join too. | 15:03 |
| SridarK | ok good lets do that | 15:03 |
| SridarK | yushiro: no worries in case u are not able to | 15:03 |
| yushiro | Thx | 15:03 |
| SridarK | yushiro: i will connect with in my eve time | 15:04 |
| SridarK | so to wrap up the testing | 15:04 |
| yushiro | :) | 15:04 |
| SridarK | in case i have questions | 15:04 |
| SridarK | thx | 15:04 |
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| annp | SridarK, :) thank you. | 15:04 |
| SridarK | annp: thx | 15:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas-dashboard master: Remove setting of version/release from releasenotes https://review.openstack.org/520712 | 19:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas master: Remove setting of version/release from releasenotes https://review.openstack.org/520713 | 19:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-fwaas-dashboard master: Remove setting of version/release from releasenotes https://review.openstack.org/520712 | 21:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-fwaas master: Remove setting of version/release from releasenotes https://review.openstack.org/520713 | 22:22 |
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