Wednesday, 2018-01-10

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstackdocstheme master: trivial: Remove use of 'Application.{warn,info}'  https://review.openstack.org/53218706:29
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openstackgerritShangXiao proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Replace the http links with the right ones in docs  https://review.openstack.org/53244807:53
openstackgerritShangXiao proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Replace the http links with the right ones in docs  https://review.openstack.org/53244808:10
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Attempt to guess valid Git URLs  https://review.openstack.org/53216309:52
openstackgerritShangXiao proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Replace the http links with the right ones in docs  https://review.openstack.org/53244809:57
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eumel8pkovar: Sorry, I'm not able to join the docs team meeting today. I have a parallel appointment regarding OpenStack Summit Berlin preparation :)11:39
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fricklereumel8: a summit I can attend without travelling? /me is curious, is this a thing yet?11:47
eumel8frickler: a 300 m walk ;)11:48
frickleroh, it is even official, great https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/11:48
toskyit was even announced in Denver, before the Dublin PTG11:49
eumel8frickler: sure, we already started with planning in German Usergroup. If you are interested, let me know11:50
fricklerhmm, don't know how I missed that11:52
fricklereumel8: I'm not so good at organizing things, but I'll ask some other folks here11:52
eumel8frickler: don't worry, it's still enough time ;)11:52
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odyssey4mewith the changes in the docs build jobs, our previous way of including sphinxmark no longer works for newton docs - is there a new way to add special requirements for docs building with the new job execution?13:01
odyssey4mewe previously just did https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/stable/newton/tox.ini#L1513:02
odyssey4meon ocata and later, sphinxmark is in u-c and we add it to test-requirements.txt - but newton doesn't have a u-c entry for sphinxmark13:02
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stephenfinodyssey4me: You mean the requirements aspect of it?13:41
odyssey4mestephenfin yep13:41
stephenfinodyssey4me: Just add a 'doc/requirements.txt' file13:41
* stephenfin goes to find an example13:41
odyssey4meok, and does that requirement *have* to be present in u-c?13:41
stephenfinHmm, that's a good question. I don't know. Maybe dhellmann does though13:42
stephenfindhellmann: See above. Do requirements in 'doc/requirements.txt' have to be tracked in u-c?13:42
stephenfinodyssey4me: Also, here's that example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531881/13:42
stephenfinodyssey4me: Doesn't docs.o.o automatically do that watermarking for us?13:44
stephenfinAt least, for older versions13:45
odyssey4meI'm not aware of that being the case. If so, how?13:45
stephenfinI thought it was automatic. We used to have a red watermark with the version of the docs in them, at least for the config-guide13:46
stephenfinSee https://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/config-reference/compute/config-options.html13:46
stephenfinI've no idea how we were doing that though. It predates my involvement in docs13:47
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Replace the http links with the right ones in docs  https://review.openstack.org/53244814:12
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is being restarted due to slowness and to apply kernel patches14:57
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pkovarall: docs meeting starts in 20 mins15:41
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pkovar#startmeeting docteam16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 10 16:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'16:00
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pkovar#topic roll call16:00
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pkovarwho's around for today's meeting? :)16:01
d0ugalo/16:01
ianychoio/16:01
pkovarwelcome :)16:02
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pkovarsince ianychoi is around, let's begin with...16:04
pkovar#topic PDF builds16:04
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pkovar#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/16:04
pkovarthis is an older review, possibly stalled16:04
pkovarianychoi: do you know if there's an update/request for comments/help needed wrt that spec proposal?16:05
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pkovarokay, let's do a couple of announcements since we don't have that many people around today :)16:08
pkovar#topic Docs retention policy changes16:08
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pkovar#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/queens/retention-policy.html16:09
ianychoiOh sorry - I just sent an e-mail for different task. Let's talk about PDF things after discussing other topics first.16:09
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pkovarokay, no worries16:10
pkovar#info we have a pending review for adding deprecation badges16:10
pkovar#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530142/16:10
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pkovarwhich is a good start in a long process involving updating openstackdocstheme as well, as pointed out by dhellmann16:10
pkovarif you have feedback for this initial change, please add comments :)16:11
pkovarnext announcement16:12
pkovar#topic Rocky PTG16:12
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pkovar#link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/16:12
pkovar#info Planning etherpad for docs+i18n created16:12
pkovar#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-rocky16:12
pkovar#info Sign up and tell us your preference wrt parcel time into small chunks or have full-day focus on one team agenda?16:13
pkovar# info add your own topics to the list of what we want to cover at the ptg16:13
pkovarfor both docs & i18n16:13
pkovarquestions, comments so far? :)16:14
pkovar#topic Bug Triage Team16:14
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ianychoiCool :)16:15
pkovar#info you can still sign up16:15
pkovar#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams16:15
pkovarthis is for bug triage for openstack-manuals16:15
pkovarsince project teams have their own bug triage processes16:16
pkovarand that includes docs related bugs16:16
pkovar#topic PDF builds16:16
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pkovarback to the topic :)16:16
ianychoiThank u :)16:17
ianychoi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124863.html16:17
ianychoiDoug asked whether PDF builds target all (always build) or not16:17
ianychoiAnd I posted several perspectives.16:18
ianychoipkovar, Do u have some preferences on such perspectives?16:18
ianychoiOr which documents should be targeted for PDF builds?16:18
pkovarianychoi: i'm not sure we have enough date now to understand if there is a strong user requirement for pdf builds for project team docs, for example16:20
pkovarbut i take it as translators are one of the interest groups?16:20
pkovaras for openstack-manuals docs, if we already build pdfs for some, i see no reason why not enable it for others16:21
ianychoiAs far as I know, China has interests on PDF builds because of some rather slow Internet environment16:21
pkovarsounds like a big customer then :)16:22
ianychoiFor interests in translators, translated PDF build generation needs to be implemented but IMHO project doc translation support needs to be implemented first.16:22
ianychoiThat topic would be on the top in Rocky PTG for I18n team.16:23
ianychoiHaha.. yes :)16:23
pkovarright, good point, so that would be a separate topic rather16:23
pkovargreat16:23
pkovarcan't comment on the potential slowness of the build process, is that a big concern?16:23
ianychoiNot a big concern if infra team thinks that such slowness is acceptable16:24
* stephenfin arrives really late16:27
pkovarone more question about project team pdfs, are we going to build a single pdf file per project?16:27
pkovarfor larger project docs, having one big pdf might affect its usability16:27
ianychoiPer16:28
ianychoiAha.. per document16:28
pkovarokay16:28
ianychoiYep.. each project team has just one conf.py in doc/source16:28
pkovarright16:29
pkovarwell, in any case that's a usability question, not a technical blocker16:29
ianychoiFor example, https://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/HAGuide.pdf#30 => #30 indicates page 3016:30
pkovarthat works pretty well16:31
pkovarcool16:31
ianychoiI will more find options using "#" things.. maybe several section name would be supported but I am not sure now.16:31
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ianychoiUnfortunately I have so less possibility to go to Rocky PTG, but would u help later on updating PTI document to include PDF things? PDF builds were not included in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508694/ and I think that is needed before removing WIP in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/16:31
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pkovarianychoi: i will do my best to help, yes :)16:33
pkovarokay, so let's keep the -1 on /509297/ for now16:33
ianychoiThank u yep :)16:34
pkovarianychoi: what would be the next step here then?16:34
ianychoipkovar, I think writing an update as a patch on governance repository would be a good idea.16:35
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ianychoisince PTI applies to all OpenStack projects16:36
ianychoiAnd finally, is there a plan to update openstackdocstheme version? I think newer version will enable not to write release information for PDFs if not configured in conf.py16:36
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pkovarianychoi: can you initiate the pti change? i am afraid i don't know many details to move that forward on my own16:38
ianychoipkovar, yep but plz give some time to me and I will try to do that before PTG for Docs team to discuss this topics with other PTI experts who would be in PTG (e.g., Doug, Monty)16:40
pkovarsounds good!16:41
pkovarianychoi: let's postpone this until the week before ptg16:41
ianychoiThank u :)16:42
pkovar#info updating PTI will be needed in order to unblock the pdf spec16:42
pkovar#info let's discuss again before the rocky ptg and then try to work together on the update at the ptg16:43
pkovarstephenfin: you around? we got a q about openstackdocstheme :)16:43
stephenfinShoot16:43
pkovar(05:36:37 PM) ianychoi: And finally, is there a plan to update openstackdocstheme version? I think newer version will enable not to write release information for PDFs if not configured in conf.py16:43
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stephenfinpkovar: You're looking for 9219e0b38838bb8c788849b792180e4502e2b3a616:44
stephenfin(Change ID I0401e913658eff75a53e39c564e7f5ea88bd6b35)16:44
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pkovarhttps://github.com/openstack/openstackdocstheme/commit/9219e0b38838bb8c788849b792180e4502e2b3a616:44
ianychoiI simply saw github: https://github.com/openstack/openstackdocstheme/tree/1.17.0 and the latest commit was about 3 months ago16:45
ianychoiBut PDF release functionality was implemented about 2 months ago as far as I know16:45
stephenfinianychoi: In that case, I guess we best release it16:45
pkovarianychoi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531768/16:45
stephenfinbut there is one blocker16:45
toskythat certain patch for source path detection? :)16:46
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stephenfinThe very same :)16:46
ianychoiOh 1.18.0 patch is on-going :) Good!16:46
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ianychoiMy approach is not so cool but fast just from my simple trial :)16:47
stephenfinSo yeah, we can definitely release that once the source path detection thing is resolved16:48
stephenfinGuess we'll leave that to dhellmann16:48
pkovarstephenfin: what is the blocking patch chage id again?16:48
stephenfinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/532163/16:48
stephenfinand the preceding patch16:48
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pkovar#info openstackdocstheme  1.18.0  on the way but blocked by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532163/16:49
pkovarthanks, stephenfin16:49
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ianychoiThanks stephenfin !16:49
stephenfinnp16:49
pkovarand many more pending changes in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1732630+(status:open+OR+status:merged)16:50
pkovaralso, thanks goes to tosky :)16:51
pkovarand thank you, ianychoi16:51
ianychoipkovar, thank u!16:51
pkovarwe should have like a kudos meeting item for this meeting16:52
stephenfin:)16:52
ianychoi:)16:52
pkovar#topic Open discussion16:53
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pkovarany other comments, concerns?16:53
* tosky didn't do anything O.o16:54
pkovartosky: i see your comments everywhere :)16:54
toskyah, the -116:54
pkovaryeah, sometimes a -1 is more important than anything, tosky16:55
pkovaralright, thanks again for joining the meeting today16:58
pkovar#endmeeting16:58
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corvushi, we need to reboot the server for docs.openstack.org.  should be down for about a minute.  is it okay to do that now, or would that be problematic?18:44
AJaegercorvus: go for it, you have my  blessing ;)18:44
corvuscool, i'll let you know when it's down and up again18:44
corvusrebooting now18:45
corvusserver is up18:47
corvusand apache is up and serving18:47
corvussorry that was longer than 1min.  seems to shutdown slowly.18:48
corvusAJaeger: things look good?18:48
AJaegercorvus: yes!18:48
AJaegerthanks, corvus !18:49
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