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openstackgerritJay Bryant proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add slides on 'WIP' patches to Workflow  https://review.openstack.org/51485900:12
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/51452506:22
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/training-guides master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/51493006:27
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/security-doc master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/51452506:58
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/training-guides master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/51493007:53
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eumel8morning08:31
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eumel8damned, I missed my core permissions in security-doc repo! Hopefully someone can merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514528/09:29
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ianychoieumel8, hey09:51
ianychoi:)09:51
ianychoiWe are discussing docs things in i18n channel :)09:51
eumel8yeah ;)09:53
eumel8ianychoi: I think it's somewhere document how this works with files.o.o09:59
AJaegerianychoi: what'S the problem? Shall I join?10:08
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ianychoiAJaeger, files.o.o/docs and docs.o.o are synced  ia AFS?10:10
ianychois/ia/via10:11
AJaegerianychoi: no10:11
AJaegerdocs.o.o is an apache server. files.o.o is a file server10:11
AJaegerdocs.o.o mounts via AFS the files from files.o.o10:11
AJaegerand then publishes10:11
ianychoiAJaeger, https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/latest/ - https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/latest/ is redirected now10:12
AJaegerwhy?10:12
eumel8AJaeger: just a question how to publish this: http://files.openstack.org/docs/contributor-guide/latest/10:12
AJaegerwhat'S the problem?10:12
ianychoiIMO it is because http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/www/.htaccess#n13510:12
AJaegerWhat problem are you solving? You're two steps ahead of me...10:12
ianychoiAJaeger, http://files.openstack.org/docs/contributor-guide/latest/ is not accessed via https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/latest/10:13
eumel8AJaeger: not really. We are not ahead ;) We want to show contributor-guide on docs.o.o. and the question was how this will work.10:15
AJaegereumel8: which document are you talking about?10:15
AJaegereumel8: thingee's new one or the doc-contributor  one?10:16
eumel8contributor-guide: http://files.openstack.org/docs/contributor-guide/latest/10:16
eumel8this is the new one10:16
AJaegerThat's an old version ;) Go to https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/10:16
AJaegerwe changed publish location...10:16
eumel8ah10:17
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eumel8you have the change id in mind?10:17
AJaegereumel8: for what?10:27
AJaegereumel8: a couple of changes where needed ;)10:28
AJaegereumel8: https://review.openstack.org/513542 is relevant but needed a followup fix10:28
eumel8AJaeger: ah, okay. I just try to understand how this works10:28
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asettleAfternoon o/11:07
openstackgerritPranav Salunke proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: labs: Update training_labs landing page with Pike.  https://review.openstack.org/51502711:10
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ianychoiAJaeger, eumel8 : thanks a lot for comments. For me, I was initially confused with files.o.o/docs and docs.o.o relationship but now it is so clear to me.11:56
ianychoi(Note that my Norway boss came to Korea and I cannot sync now too much on iRC...)11:57
eumel8ianychoi: haha, it seems you have to work ;)12:00
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dhellmanno/12:14
asettleMorning Doug±!12:17
eumel8hi asettle, dhellmann12:19
dhellmannhow're things going in Docsland? I've been mired in Broken Release Jobville12:20
asettleWow that sounds like a hole12:21
asettleTbh I haven't been much up in Docsland12:21
eumel8dhellmann: well well - and congrats to your new TC membership :)12:23
dhellmanneumel8 : thank!12:23
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eumel8if someone want's to merge something: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514528/12:26
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eumel8ah, only asettle is on the list ;)12:26
asettleeumel8: what list? :p12:27
eumel8Group security-doc-core   :)12:27
asettleSure do12:27
asettleDo you want to merge that one? I've given it a +2 but not +2a12:27
dhellmannwhat language is tr_TR?12:27
eumel8Turkish12:27
dhellmanncool12:28
asettlesnap - got in there before me12:28
dhellmannwell, I'm +1 but don't have +2 in that repo. Maybe AJaeger can help12:28
eumel8they a very active in the last week12:28
eumel8It's his own proposal and we want to prevent self approvals12:29
dhellmannoh, I didn't notice that12:30
dhellmannwho else has +2 in that repo, then?12:30
AJaegerdhellmann: I'm happy to self-approve ;)12:30
eumel8we know ;)12:31
dhellmannAJaeger : yeah, just do it12:31
AJaegerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/347,members is the list of people...12:31
dhellmannit's a build change, not a controversial list of content changes12:31
dhellmannthat probably needs to be pruned12:31
AJaegeryep12:31
dhellmannand I don't see the docs core team in the list, shouldn't they be?12:31
AJaegerasettle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514528/ would be nice as well12:32
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asettleAJaeger: it's done?12:33
asettledhellmann: nope. Security guide core list and docs team list are two separate things12:33
asettleIt's made up of the security team cores, the docs PTL, and any other doc team members that make it to that core list12:33
asettleI believe, historically, it was kept this way so that the ownership would stay with the security team12:34
asettleSince it is a highly specialised topic12:34
AJaegerthe guide is  co-owned...12:34
asettle*shrug* feel free to go ahead and change it. I'm not arguing it. I'm just saying what I was told and why it's the way it is.12:35
asettleAJaeger: it shouldn't be co-owned anymore.12:35
asettleAFter the migration, the ownership of that guide was strictly transferred to the security team12:35
asettleLike the other docs12:35
AJaegerasettle: indeed, governance lists it under security program12:36
asettleOkay phew, I thought I might have been talking out of my jet lagged arse for a second there :p12:36
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AJaeger;)12:39
dhellmannasettle, AJaeger : it seems to me we could trust doc cores to not review stuff they don't know anything about, but keep them on the review team to deal with build issues like this. #justsayin12:40
asettleSure :012:41
dhellmannoh, but if it's a security team thing, then why are people even coming here asking for reviews? :-)12:41
asettle:) *12:41
eumel8AJaeger: did I missed something to make this visible: https://docs.openstack.org/de/security-guide/12:41
asettledhellmann: I think the idea, previously, was as Andreas said - we were co-owners. When we originally set up the review system for that guide specifically, one doc person and one security individual had to review it before +a could be added12:42
asettleNow we are no longer co-owners, that review system has not changed though, and the team still relies on us to provide editorial reviews12:42
dhellmannok, that all makes sense12:42
dhellmannmaybe pkovar can talk to the security team ptl about it12:43
AJaegereumel8: we need to check publish job12:43
eumel8asettle: you should remove your core position immediately, so no people will come and ask you ;)12:43
asettledhellmann: sure12:43
asettleI'm not sure what the issue is, with this format though?12:43
asettleLots of people with content we don't own ask us for help12:43
asettleThere is no confusion about ownership, is there?12:43
asettleissue is with this format* (no comma)12:43
asettleeumel8: hahaha yeah run away now ;)12:43
eumel8I think security-docs was slow down. Now there are some new activities and I will look how I can help.12:45
asettleI've set up my bookmark link so that all security-doc patches are included: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:+openstack/openstack-manuals+OR+project:openstack/openstackdocstheme+OR+project:openstack/api-site+OR+project:openstack/security-doc)12:46
asettleSave that if you'd like12:46
AJaegereumel8: yes, the publishing for security guide is broken, I'll investigate...12:47
eumel8asettle: great, thx12:47
asettlenp12:47
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AJaegerdhellmann, asettle, eumel8: All publishing of docs is currently broken ;(12:51
* AJaeger hides in a corner and will look into it...12:51
asettleSweeeeeet12:51
asettleHahahah12:51
* AJaeger found the documentation12:53
AJaegerhttps://docs.openstack.org/publish-docs/12:53
asettleHuh12:53
asettleThat's a thing?12:53
AJaegerhttps://docs.openstack.org/publish-docs/de/security-guide/12:53
AJaegerasettle: that'S a BUG ;(12:53
asettleNICE12:53
eumel8but it's very good translated :-))12:55
asettleLOL looking on the bright said, hey eumel8 ? :P12:55
AJaegereumel8: ;)12:55
AJaegerhttps://review.openstack.org/515050 Fix manual publishing12:55
asettleLooking12:56
asettleOh12:56
asettleIt's a fucking slash12:56
asettleWhen aren't slashes causing issues12:56
asettleDown with the slashes I say12:56
AJaegerasettle: rsync is slash-sensitive ;(12:56
asettleI say down with rsync12:56
asettleLet's create our own version that isn't slash-sensitive!12:56
eumel8hahaha :)12:57
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/security-doc master: Build tr_TR security-guide  https://review.openstack.org/51452813:02
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dhellmannwe should go back to using ; to separate paths13:10
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pkovari actually like the co-ownership model for security-doc that allows us to provide editorial reviews to the sec team13:17
pkovari think i will update https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/team-structure.html to make the responsibilities a bit clearer13:18
pkovarif someone wants to be removed from https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/347,members let me know13:18
pkovar:)13:18
dhellmannpkovar : we were looking for ways to *add* people easily for build-related fixes like the one AJaeger posted for the Turkish translations13:22
pkovarby adding a group member?13:23
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dhellmannpkovar : it's possible to add one group as a member of another. so we could add doc-cores (or whatever that group is) to the review list for the security repo. We'd want to discuss that with the security team ptl first, of course.13:50
pkovardhellmann: i like that idea. let me ping the sec ptl13:51
dhellmannwe do that in oslo, if they're looking for a precedent13:51
pkovardhellmann: i think we can then remove doc cores direct membership from sec-guide core group?13:52
pkovarso that it not duplicate membership13:52
pkovar* i'ts13:53
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/security-doc master: Build tr_TR security-guide  https://review.openstack.org/51452814:14
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AJaegereumel8, asettle, dhellmann https://docs.openstack.org/de/security-guide/ - so, publishing works again!14:37
asettleHooray!14:37
eumel8great!14:39
dhellmannpkovar: yes, if we add the group we can remove the individuals.14:40
AJaegerhttps://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/ is also updated, so both jobs work now.14:41
AJaegerSo, after next merge of api-site and openstack-manuals, we have updated docs again...14:41
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openstackgerritPetr Kovar proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contrib] Add team vision doc  https://review.openstack.org/51477914:45
openstackgerritFrank Kloeker proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add security-guide to German index page  https://review.openstack.org/51510015:00
eumel8thx AJaeger!15:02
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eumel8Hi pkovar, thingee: regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514766/ Just wondering, contributor-guide has no direct landing page for contributors15:06
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pkovareumel8: contributor-guide or doc-contrib-guide? :)15:09
eumel8contributor-guide. you removed the wiki link and replaced it by the git repo15:10
eumel8I'm fine with that because the wiki page was empty but I'm not shure if that is helpful :)15:10
asettleoof, good catch eumel815:11
asettleI am so used to reading contributor-guide15:11
eumel8yes, on the next PTG we have to collect some new names ;)15:12
AJaegernames? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;(15:14
* AJaeger is so tired of naming and will stay out of any such meeting if possible ;)15:14
eumel8AJaeger: come on, a naming concept like Irish pubs in Dublin. You'll love it ;)15:16
AJaegereumel8: First I need some beer or whiskey ;)15:17
eumel8possibly they have beer there15:18
pkovarthey could15:27
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add security-guide to German index page  https://review.openstack.org/51510015:57
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: minor fixes for 2017/2018 vision document  https://review.openstack.org/51512616:26
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thingeeeumel8: it does. This was silently pushed out https://www.openstack.org/community/16:33
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thingeeeumel8: we're making some corrections still, but eventually I will be announcing to the dev list about it for suggestions/feedback. I'll also be letting projects know that their own contributor guides can be listed here if they use the contributors key in the projects.yaml file16:35
eumel8thingee: really silently :-))16:36
eumel8thingee: this page is really cool!16:39
pkovarokay, let me update my patch then16:40
pkovarwith a link to https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/16:40
pkovari guess16:40
eumel8k16:40
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openstackgerritPetr Kovar proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contrib] Rename special*ty teams to subteams  https://review.openstack.org/51476616:53
eumel8thingee: ^^ you're fine with this link in line 16? https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/doc/doc-contrib-guide/source/team-structure.rst?id=aac8cb5b162b8d39c5273e6ca9dc8d3f36c2501e#n1616:56
thingeeeumel8: +116:57
eumel8then let's merge...16:57
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pkovarso i just updated https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/347,members per dhellmann's suggestion17:10
pkovarapproved by the sec ptl17:10
pkovarnot sure if you get an email when you get removed from a group17:10
dhellmannpkovar : I don't think gerrit emails people, no17:14
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eumel8pkovar: that works. thx :)17:34
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contrib] Rename special*ty teams to subteams  https://review.openstack.org/51476618:03
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openstackgerritJay Bryant proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] update/improve content - Project Status and Zuul  https://review.openstack.org/51517018:41
openstackgerritJay Bryant proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add slides on 'WIP' patches to Workflow  https://review.openstack.org/51485918:46
openstackgerritJay Bryant proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add slides on 'WIP' patches to Workflow  https://review.openstack.org/51485918:48
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openstackgerritJay Bryant proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add slides on 'WIP' patches to Workflow  https://review.openstack.org/51485918:58
openstackgerritJay Bryant proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add Stable Release info to Release Cycle Slides  https://review.openstack.org/51474319:05
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add Stable Release info to Release Cycle Slides  https://review.openstack.org/51474319:48
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