Friday, 2017-09-29

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/whereto master: report incorrect matches for tests  https://review.openstack.org/50571605:53
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/whereto master: improve readability of error reporting output  https://review.openstack.org/50571705:57
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dhellmanno/14:44
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dhellmannpkovar : have you seen any doc repo job failures after the zuulv3 upgrade?14:46
pkovarlet me check jenkins mail14:47
pkovardhellmann: nope/not yet14:48
dhellmannI rechecked asettle's patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507145/ so we can see what happens14:48
pkovarcool14:49
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AJaeger_dhellmann: note, I'm currnetly in a bus travelling, so might disappear any time from the conversation and come back later..15:05
AJaeger_Looking at the retention docs specs , I still do not get that item we're discussing. Could you help me understand what you want, please?15:06
dhellmannAJaeger_ : I want to re-publish the old version of the installation guide for newton without having to merge its content into the current installation guide.15:08
dhellmannWe need to do that because somewhere between newton and today the operating system commands for setting up networks changed, and if you follow the new instructions they do not work with the old versions of neutron15:08
dhellmannAJaeger_ : for the future, I think we should consider treating all of our guides as series-specific all the time to avoid this problem happening again, but that's a separate discussion15:09
dhellmannpkovar : does ^^ match your recollection from the ptg?15:09
AJaeger_dhellmann: republishing the newton install-guide is fine! We have the ocata one specific as well.15:10
dhellmannyeah, I'll check all of them from mitaka forward and stop at master15:11
AJaeger_dhellmann: I suggest you rework that section then - if you think we need it...15:11
dhellmannI'll try to rephrase that bit15:11
AJaeger_Let's keep the branching discussion out of that spec, that's a separate spec. I see where an install-guide that needs to cover *all* OS releases starting with pike will be difficult, so we really might need to reconsider. On the other hand branching contributor-guide shouldn't be needed...15:13
AJaeger_perhaps we need two repos to make life easier?15:13
dhellmannyes, well, I've been trying to convince the docs team to have 1 repo per guide for 6 months now...15:13
dhellmannI wasn't really considering the contributor guide, but that's a good point15:14
AJaeger_dhellmann: regarding zuulv 3: Let's merge some content and check that it's published as well.15:14
dhellmannAJaeger_ : ++ on that15:14
AJaeger_asettle: what's up with https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide - why do I get a 404?15:15
AJaeger_that should redirect...15:15
AJaeger_ah, missing / ;(15:16
dhellmannoh, yeah15:16
dhellmannwe have a bunch of redirect rules like that15:16
AJaeger_;(15:17
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dhellmannI think some of them are auto-generated, so we should be able to fix them15:18
* AJaeger_ fixed the one specific example for now15:19
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Fix contributor-guide redirect  https://review.openstack.org/50853915:19
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pkovardhellmann: so, when we discussed retention policy at the ptg, we said docs, not just install guide...15:32
pkovarthough the install guide might be what people are most interested in, in fact15:32
pkovarnot sure15:32
pkovarand we've got a zuul failure for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508539/115:33
dhellmannI think the install guide is likely to be the most interesting, but some of the other content won't be. The contributor guide won't really matter, as AJaeger_ points out, so maybe moving that one to its own repo is the simplest step15:34
dhellmannor I guess we already have it publishing only from master, so maybe not15:34
toskyI would say that all documentation is relevant; the configuration guide can be even more interesting15:34
dhellmanntosky : will it be useful to have an out of date contributor guide?15:34
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Fix contributor-guide redirect  https://review.openstack.org/50853915:35
toskydhellmann: from the moment when contributors guide have been split out, no; but administrator, configuration, etc, yes15:35
dhellmanntosky : right15:35
toskyone of the objection during the discussion was about installation guide useless because the environment (distribution) can't exist anymore15:35
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toskywhich was deemeed not strong enough because (iirc) you could reinstall or redeploy what you have/your local mirror15:36
AJaeger_tosky: which guides in master of openstack-manuals do you talk about?15:36
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toskyeven more configuration/administration guides then, which applies to working deployments :)15:36
AJaeger_tosky: those are not in openstack-manuals anymore...15:36
dhellmannright, I don't want to presume that the age of the operating system is (a) something that makes docs useless or (b) that the docs team will want to keep up with that.15:37
dhellmannI'm trying to design the simplest possible process15:37
toskyAJaeger_: I thought that policy discussion applies to all guides, with some special rules for the older releases15:37
dhellmannAJaeger_ : the *old* guides are15:37
dhellmannI should just put together the patch series to recover the content I'm talking about15:37
dhellmanntrying to explain it in the abstract is clearly not working :-)15:37
pkovaryes, as dhellmann says, there are other versioned docs like networking guide15:38
pkovarso its not just IG15:38
AJaeger_dhellmann: yes, examples would be best for me ;(15:44
dhellmannAJaeger_ : is there some content you think we should not treat as series-specific or recover and make available, aside from the contributor guide?15:45
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AJaeger_the image-guide was always unbranched15:52
AJaeger_arch-design and ha-guide as well15:52
AJaeger_I would keep image-guide and arch-design as independent. ha-guide and security-doc are open for discussion, I would leave them unbranched but if somebody makes a good argument...15:53
dhellmannok, that makes sense15:57
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Fix contributor-guide redirect  https://review.openstack.org/50853915:59
openstackgerritPetr Kovar proposed openstack/security-doc master: Add Key Management Chapter  https://review.openstack.org/45196516:03
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AJaeger_dhellmann: zuulv3 breaks our publish job, I'm on it16:35
dhellmannAJaeger_ : thanks16:35
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Fix contributor-guide redirect  https://review.openstack.org/50853916:39
AJaeger_testing that the zuulv3 change works with a depends-on ^16:42
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dhellmannAJaeger_, pkovar : I'm working on the trailing slash redirect issue with a more comprehensive fix. I'll have that by EOD17:34
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pkovardhellmann: that sounds good, are you going to update all relevant redirects in the file?17:40
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/whereto master: use logging to control output verbosity  https://review.openstack.org/50824617:46
openstackgerritMerged openstack/whereto master: add release notes for new features in the upcoming release  https://review.openstack.org/50824817:46
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openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add [new_dev] and [dev] tags  https://review.openstack.org/50858718:30
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: use macros to standardize redirect rules and tests  https://review.openstack.org/50860020:10
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: be consistent in calling the install guides "guides"  https://review.openstack.org/50860820:27
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openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add [new_dev] and [dev] tags  https://review.openstack.org/50858720:36
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