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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/api-site master: Fix link for manila API https://review.openstack.org/501575 | 06:03 |
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| AJaeger | stephenfin: could you review my nova patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501402/ , please? | 10:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Luke Hinds proposed openstack/security-doc master: Adding OSSN-0081 https://review.openstack.org/499176 | 12:37 |
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| stephenfin | AJaeger: Thanks for doing that. Feedback left | 12:51 |
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| AJaeger | stephenfin: thanks, fixed, local build looks fine. | 13:34 |
| stephenfin | AJaeger: Lovely. I'll take another look in about 30 mins :) | 13:34 |
| AJaeger | stephenfin: I was wrong: Local build failed ;( | 13:36 |
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| AJaeger | stephenfin: now it builds, so you can put it again on your queue. Thanks | 13:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Fix /developer/links https://review.openstack.org/501573 | 14:12 |
| asettle | Morning o/ | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:22 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 14:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Fix docs-builds rendering https://review.openstack.org/501389 | 14:24 |
| AJaeger | asettle, dhellmann if you want to fix broken links, just check: http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=docs.openstack.org%2Fdeveloper&i=nope&files=&repos= | 14:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Update sitemap https://review.openstack.org/501404 | 14:25 |
| AJaeger | All those are broken - and I expect those to be 90 % of the broken ones | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : this seems like a good task to document and then distribute among the teams | 14:25 |
| asettle | I would say 'want' is a very strong term :P | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | they can add redirects and update any links in their source files | 14:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-doc-tools master: Fix to use "." to source script files https://review.openstack.org/498551 | 14:25 |
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| pkovar | that's a looong list... | 14:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site master: Fix link for manila API https://review.openstack.org/501575 | 14:27 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: I'll followup in that email thread - do you have a good place to document and distribute? | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : the instructions would be ephemeral so maybe just an etherpad? or mailing list thread? | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | give steps like we did with the original doc-migration | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | maybe point out they're likely to need to resolve conflicts when the add redirects in another code repo | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | so look for existing patches to add redirects and chain them | 14:29 |
| AJaeger | do we have some other searches like for user-guide, admin-guide etc? | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | not that I'm aware of | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | "fix all the broken links" seems like a reasonable doc team goal for queens, but it needs someone to drive it | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | pkovar : ^^ | 14:30 |
| AJaeger | I don't have time to track this further, if somebody wants to take the ideas above, go ahead, please! | 14:30 |
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| * AJaeger just fixed the cookiecutter... | 14:31 | |
| pkovar | let me add it to my todo list | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | pkovar : s/my/the team's/ ;-) | 14:34 |
| AJaeger | +1 | 14:34 |
| pkovar | or that :) | 14:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/training-labs master: Use Python instead of bash https://review.openstack.org/500631 | 14:35 |
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| pkovar | /me wasn't even thinking about volunteering to fix all those links :) | 14:35 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, this is not a job for one person to do, even if we need 1 person to organize it | 14:35 |
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| pkovar | right on | 14:37 |
| AJaeger | why do we still have docs.o.o/developer links in our sitemap? Seems we miss some redirects ;( | 14:37 |
| pkovar | i have to admit i skipped /dweveloper links on purpose when updating redirects a couple of weeks ago | 14:39 |
| pkovar | so we probably missed those, yes | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | http://paste.openstack.org/show/620636/ | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | it looks like we have a couple of projects that probably aren't in a project-data file | 14:40 |
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| pkovar | weird, i checked those last week | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | this list is better http://paste.openstack.org/show/620637/ | 14:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add some /developer redirects https://review.openstack.org/501759 | 14:42 |
| AJaeger | fixed some redirects - so that next sitemap run will not have any ^ | 14:42 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: yeah, run your grep locally and fixed in 501759 quickly. | 14:43 |
| AJaeger | If anybody wants to add those to index files isntead - go ahead, please | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : if everything works right, that patch will fail because there are no whereto tests for the new rules | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : see www/redirect-tests.txt | 14:45 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: later today - thanks | 14:48 |
| pkovar | i can do it tmrw, let me know | 14:49 |
| AJaeger | pkovar: if it'S still there tomorrow, go for it, please | 14:50 |
| pkovar | sure, thanks | 14:51 |
| AJaeger | bbl | 14:51 |
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| eumel8 | AJaeger: When I skip the zanata import to doc for one day, would be the next job run import the data for two days or only the next day? | 15:00 |
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| asettle | pkovar: are you intending to host the meeting today? :) | 15:27 |
| asettle | Also, I've signed myself up for the first week of bug triaging. | 15:28 |
| pkovar | asettle: sure, unless you want to host it ;) | 15:28 |
| asettle | Hahaha no strong desire :) | 15:28 |
| pkovar | thank you, asettle | 15:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Hongbin Lu proposed openstack/api-site master: Add application container service (Zun) api-ref https://review.openstack.org/501781 | 15:39 |
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| pkovar | all: meeting in #openstack-meeting starts now | 16:00 |
| pkovar | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 16:01 |
| skelso | o/ | 16:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add some /developer redirects https://review.openstack.org/501759 | 16:45 |
| stephenfin | AJaeger: What do we do about bugs targeted at liberty? Close them and mark them somehow? | 16:46 |
| * stephenfin assumes liberty docs are no longer supported | 16:46 | |
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| AJaeger | stephenfin: exactly, Won't fix - we're not fixing EOLed releases. | 16:49 |
| AJaeger | stephenfin: if the bug is still for current, we can take it... | 16:49 |
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| AJaeger | eumel8: no worries, it always imports all content, you can skip for days ;) | 16:50 |
| stephenfin | AJaeger: Ideal. I'll do that now | 16:50 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: both shade URLs redirect for me | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | ugh, maybe that's some sort of browser cache issue then | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | stephenfin, AJaeger : maybe hold off on closing those bugs until after the discussion of the retention policy at the PTG next week? | 16:52 |
| stephenfin | dhellmann: Oops :) | 16:53 |
| stephenfin | I'll hold off on doing more than I already have, heh | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 16:53 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: we cannot fix liberty bugs - the branches are closed | 16:54 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : that is part of what we will be discussing next week | 16:55 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: opening up liberty again? | 16:56 |
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| dhellmann | the general question of how to deal with stable branches, yes | 16:56 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: let's see what kind of new contributors we get... | 16:56 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: for docs only - or all of OpenStack? | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | definitely the openstack-manuals repo, maybe docs in other repos going forward | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | today's policy prevents a volunteer from helping if they're present, so we need to talk about that before we can tell folks to step up and help | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | it's the same discussion we always have about stable branches, I know, but we do have some folks interested in helping with older docs | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : there are some notes around line 129 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens | 16:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add some /developer redirects https://review.openstack.org/501759 | 17:00 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: I see - remember the discussions here. Good writeup! | 17:01 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : thanks. that's going to be a tough discussion, so I would appreciate your input if you have thoughts about potential pitfalls | 17:07 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: let me read again and comment - in the meantime, are you happy with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501759/ now? | 17:09 |
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| dhellmann | I guess we have a precedent there of including some custom redirect rules for other deployment projects | 17:10 |
| dhellmann | should the shade redirect point to /latest/$1? | 17:11 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: 4.8.5: Newton documents: With the large reorg of docs.o.o/developer, any older branch will introduce links with broken URLs. | 17:11 |
| AJaeger | regarding redirects on my change: https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/doc-index.html says we're not doing these for all subprojects but projects should link to them | 17:12 |
| AJaeger | for shade, you're correct - let me fix | 17:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add some /developer redirects https://review.openstack.org/501759 | 17:13 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : think you want /shade/latest$1 (without the / before $1) | 17:14 |
| AJaeger | if you say so ;) | 17:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add some /developer redirects https://review.openstack.org/501759 | 17:14 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: thanks, I agree | 17:14 |
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| dhellmann | we'll see what whereto says now, but I think it looks good | 17:15 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 17:15 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: we also had in all my time in openstack-docs always EOL'ed the old branches and it only become this time a problem for one specific customer - at least that's what I saw | 17:16 |
| dhellmann | the foundation is also starting to have issues because the COA exams are updated 1 time per year, and the most recent one is using newton docs that were moved around a lot after the test was created | 17:17 |
| AJaeger | I'm fine with keeping changes up but there's not much interest in updating old branches at all, just look at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-manuals+branch:stable/newton or https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-manuals+branch:stable/mitaka - two changes per month | 17:17 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: Thanks for bringing that one up - but that was not EOL docs but our large reorg | 17:17 |
| dhellmann | my impression is that there will be more interest going forward than there has been in the past, so I'm looking for a way to enable someone who does want to do the work to be able to do it without volunteering the docs team members who don't want to do it | 17:18 |
| dhellmann | apparently neutron changed some of their admin commands, so the admin content our newton pages point to is no longer accurate for newton's version of neutron | 17:18 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: yep, that's reasonable - if people want to do it, put them in charge | 17:18 |
| dhellmann | right | 17:19 |
| dhellmann | so that neutron change is why I propose we republish the old admin guide (and maybe other things?) for newton | 17:19 |
| dhellmann | we also have the user survey data showing that most of our users are running rather old versions of the software | 17:20 |
| AJaeger | For docs, this might not be relevant anymore soon - since we do not branch openstack-manuals anymore and that was the only branched repo. But it might be interesting for the code repos like nova - what will they do with their new config reference when pike goes EOL? | 17:21 |
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| dhellmann | right. that's why I want to stop deleting things from the web server. :-) | 17:21 |
| dhellmann | if we don't delete content, then it's always just there, and we can look at solving the problems that caused us to delete content using a different approach | 17:22 |
| dhellmann | like having weights in our sitemaps | 17:22 |
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| dhellmann | or having robots.txt block indexing of older versions (though that's rather extreme) | 17:22 |
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| AJaeger | we have already weights in the sitemap but could do those better - and we do not include old versions in the sitemap | 17:22 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 17:23 |
| AJaeger | but that algorithm could be improved ;) | 17:23 |
| dhellmann | right | 17:23 |
| AJaeger | regarding old doc releases: The one bad thing is the XML java toolchain, nobody of us is able to fix anything major there. | 17:23 |
| dhellmann | especially if we take on the other proposal I have, which is to use separate sitemaps for each doc build and then have one large index file for all of them | 17:23 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I think we probably don't need to go back to releases older than newton at this point | 17:24 |
| dhellmann | but before we continue deleting things and closing branches, I want us to verify that and then decide what our new policy/procedures will be | 17:24 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: but then you cannot downgrade older stuff - don#t you want now pike with high weight - but in two years with a low one? | 17:24 |
| dhellmann | can we not put weights in a sitemap index? | 17:25 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: I don't know, right now they are per single URL. We would need to read the spec for that... | 17:25 |
| dhellmann | oh, maybe not | 17:25 |
| dhellmann | https://www.sitemaps.org/protocol.html#index | 17:25 |
| dhellmann | well that's unfortunate | 17:26 |
| AJaeger | indeed not ;( | 17:26 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: regarding older release: If we can make some people happy without putting work on the doc team, fine with me ;) | 17:27 |
| dhellmann | right, we might need to do some initial tool work but maintenance would be someone else's responsibility | 17:27 |
| AJaeger | I would even suggest to consider that initial tool work as a sign of commitment | 17:28 |
| dhellmann | yes, well, guidance on the tool work then | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | but that's a fair point | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | we do need the current team to do more than say "yeah, you figure that out" | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | because the new folks won't know how to do that | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | but the actual implementation could be left up to others | 17:29 |
| AJaeger | answering questions and giving wise comments ;) - sure | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add some /developer redirects https://review.openstack.org/501759 | 17:30 |
| AJaeger | another try, hope that tests pass now ^ | 17:30 |
| dhellmann | lgtm | 17:30 |
| AJaeger | thanks | 17:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools master: Fix URLs https://review.openstack.org/501827 | 17:56 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: why is https://docs.openstack.org/developer/pycadf giving a 404 while https://docs.openstack.org/developer/pycadf/ redirects? | 18:04 |
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| dhellmann | AJaeger : here are the redirect rules: | 18:20 |
| dhellmann | redirectmatch 301 "^/developer/pycadf/.*$" /pycadf/latest/ | 18:20 |
| dhellmann | redirectmatch 301 "^/pycadf/$" /pycadf/latest/ | 18:20 |
| dhellmann | redirectmatch 301 "^/deb-python-pycadf/$" /deb-python-pycadf/latest/ | 18:20 |
| dhellmann | none of them allow for pycadf without the trailing / | 18:20 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: shouldn't they? | 18:26 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : yeah. I'm working on it now. | 18:26 |
| AJaeger | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone-specs/tree/specs/keystone/mitaka/tree-deletion.rst#n201 is one example | 18:26 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: thanks | 18:26 |
| dhellmann | it's not as simple as removing the / from those rules because we have cases like glance and glance_store where we would redirect to the wrong place | 18:27 |
| AJaeger | indeed ;( | 18:27 |
| dhellmann | although we might be able to fix that by sorting in reverse I guess | 18:27 |
| dhellmann | but it's better to just be explicit | 18:27 |
| AJaeger | yep | 18:30 |
| AJaeger | thanks, calling it a day now! | 18:30 |
| * AJaeger waves good bye | 18:30 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: do not require trailing slash in all redirects https://review.openstack.org/501836 | 18:38 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : ^^ and ttyl | 18:39 |
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