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| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Adding [management] tag https://review.openstack.org/496425 | 00:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajat Sharma proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Self-service network - Create a router - Installation Guide https://review.openstack.org/499910 | 06:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajat Sharma proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Self-service network - Create a router - Installation Guide https://review.openstack.org/499910 | 06:59 |
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| eumel8 | morning | 07:42 |
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| frickler | why is the install guide called tutorial in some places? IMO it would be less confusing to stick to one name everywhere | 09:44 |
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| asettle | frickler: the instructions maintained by the documentation team are that of a tutorial. The instructions maintained by project repos (previously in the openstack-manuals repo) were that of a guide. | 09:47 |
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| frickler | asettle: hmm, o.k., so then the URL https://docs.openstack.org/install-guide/ should be changed to -tutorial, too? would the TOC heading automatically follow that? | 09:54 |
| asettle | frickler: hmm good point. I believe we kept it as install-guide initially to not have to deal with a massive overhaul of redirects. | 09:54 |
| asettle | Is this more of a nit for you, frickler or a genuine concern that this will cause mass confusion? | 09:55 |
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| asettle | I hadn't really thought about it previously, tbh. Hence why I ask. | 09:55 |
| frickler | asettle: difficult for me to estimate how it may affect newcomers. but it concerned me enough that I asked about it here. judge yourself ;) | 09:57 |
| asettle | Good point there :P | 09:57 |
| asettle | Okay :) we only changed the name to tutorial in the last few releases. I can't imagine anyone would pass out over changing back to install guide now we have our new direction | 09:57 |
| asettle | dhellmann pkovar - thoughts? :) | 09:57 |
| frickler | maybe call it something like "OpenStack Global Installation Guide" if you want to distinguish it from the project specific ones? | 09:59 |
| asettle | GLOBAL \o/ | 10:00 |
| asettle | Sorry :P | 10:01 |
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| frickler | hmm, just checked the basic services, keystone and cinder call their guides "tutorial" in order to add to the confusion ;) | 10:03 |
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| pkovar | we should be consistent, and this sounds like something to work with the project teams on Wed or Thu at the ptg | 10:05 |
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| pkovar | also, i'd be fine with renaming to -tutorial and setting up a redirect, ofc | 10:08 |
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| asettle | wfm :) | 10:33 |
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| dhellmann | asettle, pkovar : consistency seems good. I've always been confused about why the term "tutorial" was used. It's not a term I would have put into a search engine. | 12:25 |
| asettle | dhellmann: I'm sure the history is somewhere, but it was for a reason. | 12:26 |
| asettle | But would make sense now to return | 12:26 |
| dhellmann | oh, I'm sure there's a reason, I'm just saying I don't know it :-) | 12:26 |
| pkovar | dhellmann: asettle i believe the reason behind that term was that guide seemed to suggest it's an ultimate guide for deployment, while in fact it just explains how to install a PoC cloud from packages | 12:30 |
| pkovar | i actually like the term tutorial | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | I can see the sense in that | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | anyway, I'm all for consistency | 12:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/training-labs master: Copy lib, config directories only once per run and node https://review.openstack.org/479611 | 12:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/training-labs master: basedisk: install curl, tree (small and useful) https://review.openstack.org/498439 | 12:45 |
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| dhellmann | pkovar : it might be a good idea to ask the infra and stable teams to send a representative to that session on monday where we're going to talk about retention policy. if they can be present, it would save us having to rehash the discussion with them separately. | 12:48 |
| pkovar | dhellmann: what's the best way to contact them? | 12:49 |
| dhellmann | for infra I'd start with clarkb on irc and for stable tonyb, although tonyb's time zone may make an email more effective | 12:50 |
| dhellmann | channels #openstack-infra and #openstack-stable respectively | 12:50 |
| pkovar | great, thanks :) | 12:50 |
| dhellmann | although it looks like tonyb is here in this channel, too | 12:50 |
| dhellmann | pkovar : you could also start a mailing list thread since we know some other folks are interested in being present for that conversation | 12:51 |
| dhellmann | and it's going to affect all of the projects to some degree | 12:51 |
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