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openstackgerritlu.li proposed openstack/training-guides master: Update link in README in comments  https://review.openstack.org/49607803:21
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openstackgerritLiang Cui proposed openstack/docs-specs master: modify some misspellings  https://review.openstack.org/49611906:51
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/49612407:08
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Do not built cs Install Guide  https://review.openstack.org/49613107:30
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/49612407:31
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Build additional tr_TR guides  https://review.openstack.org/49613307:34
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asettleMorning o/08:26
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AJaegermorning, asettle !08:48
asettleHow's it going AJaeger ? :) Anything I should be racing to look at this morning?08:48
AJaegerasettle: we need https://review.openstack.org/496131  to merge https://review.openstack.org/496124 , would be nice to review some time08:49
AJaegerasettle: but no need for hecting racing ;)08:49
AJaegerhectic I meant08:49
asettleAJaeger: you oky with a 2a on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496131/08:50
AJaegersure08:50
AJaegerasettle, we need to discuss with dhellmann how to handle 494180 - so, something for later today or the next days...08:51
asettleAJaeger: yeah I've got a meeting with him today if you're free to join. We're just going to discuss the release process, and other things that have arisen08:51
asettleI'll forward the invite. Let me knwo if you can make it or not.08:51
AJaegerok08:52
AJaegerasettle: what time?08:52
asettle1600 UTC - which I know probably doesn't suit you the best08:52
AJaegerasettle: might work today - let's see how my day evolves...08:53
AJaegerbut first writing a lenghty document - bbl08:54
asettleAJaeger: np :) just if you have hte time08:54
asettleEnjoy!08:54
AJaegerthanks08:54
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Do not built cs Install Guide  https://review.openstack.org/49613108:57
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/49612409:01
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AJaegerasettle: 16:00 UK time, 15:00 UTC - according to my calendar. Can you confirm, please?09:54
asettleAJaeger: you are one hour ahead. That should be 1600 for me, and 1700 for you09:55
asettlehttps://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20170822&p1=136&p2=3709:56
asettle(I went with Berlin, because apparently other German cities don't exist)09:56
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AJaegerasettle: then we're fine - so 15:00 UTC. You said 16:00 UTC earlier but meant 16:00 London. I'll make it...09:57
asettleAJaeger: ah damn, sorry, I automatically added the UTC, shouldn't have09:57
asettle1600 London time09:57
AJaeger;)09:57
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dhellmannasettle , AJaeger: o/12:20
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asettledhellmann: morn! o/12:54
pkovarasettle: hey, can't make the call as I'm out of office today. can we reschedule?12:56
asettlepkovar: we can. I think it'd be important for you to be there. Can you do same time tomorrow? dhellmann AJaeger ?12:57
pkovarasettle: i can12:57
asettledhellmann and AJaeger - is this okay with you?12:57
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* dhellmann checks his schedule12:58
dhellmannasettle, pkovar: I could do 1/2 hour later tomorrow12:59
dhellmannI know that's pushing it later in the afternoon for both of you12:59
asettleFair. AJaeger ?12:59
asettleThat's fine for me.12:59
dhellmannI could also do 2 hrs earlier12:59
asettleUnfortunately I have meetings from 3 - 4pm. So I can do from 4pm onwards12:59
dhellmannok, if 4:30 doesn't work for pkovar we can try something else13:00
asettleCool13:02
asettleI will change once all agreed.13:02
pkovarasettle:  4:30 works for me13:02
pkovarand thanks!13:03
AJaegerasettle: I have a tentative appointment at 4:30 London time - if it happens, I need to present13:04
AJaegerSo, busy from 2:30 London to 5:30 - and then calling it a day.13:04
AJaegerFeel free to meet without me13:04
dhellmannAJaeger : did you want to chat about the ansible module list issue?13:05
asettleAJaeger: okay sure13:05
dhellmannwe could do that now if you have time13:05
asettleAJaeger: invite is sent to you anyway in case you have the time.13:05
AJaegerdhellmann: yes, let's talk now.13:06
AJaegerdhellmann: same issue exists for kolla-kubernetes: I think we only want to redirect them but not show them in an index13:06
dhellmannAJaeger : possibly. Is there a complete list of those projects somewhere else?13:07
AJaegerFor ansible, odyssey4me was suggestion also a separate page for them that they include in their tree. But that's not really feasible AFAIK - agreed?13:07
AJaegerdhellmann: we could grep project-config/zuul-layout...13:07
dhellmannthis is what the "type" field is for13:07
dhellmannoh, no, I meant would the user be able to find a list of the modules somewhere13:07
dhellmannhow would someone answer "what are all of the ansible modules for installing openstack components?"13:08
AJaegerdhellmann: let's ask odyssey4me and asettle - I think they currently manually curate that list, correct?13:08
dhellmannso we could add a type value for ansible modules, and then use that to treat them specially13:08
AJaegerdhellmann: yes, would work13:08
dhellmannprobably with a separate landing page13:08
asettleAJaeger: I believe so. Unless odyssey4me has a few tricks up his sleeve13:08
dhellmannor by not showing them anywhere, and just allowing the redirects13:09
odyssey4meAJaeger yep, currently we manually keep it current - and would prefer not to13:09
dhellmannodyssey4me : what's involved in keeping it current?13:09
AJaegerodyssey4me: we can create one index page for you that you can reference13:09
odyssey4meAJaeger that would be awesome :)13:10
AJaegerodyssey4me: it still would need manual updating - this time in openstack-manuals13:10
odyssey4meah13:10
odyssey4mewell, we could automate it a little I think13:10
dhellmannbut you'd only need to keep the list of modules current, the links would be updated automatically13:10
odyssey4methe automation would involve something along the lines of looking at the current project repo set (in releases or in governance), then compiling the list of repositories, with perhaps adding an exclude list to leave out some repositories which are not appropriate to reference (if need be)13:11
dhellmannodyssey4me : how often does the list of modules actually change?13:12
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odyssey4medhellmann not too often - usually when a new service is implemented, and sometimes when we factor something out into its own repo or retire an old module13:13
odyssey4meso I'd say perhaps up to 5 times a cycle13:13
odyssey4methe problem is that it's always forgotten13:13
odyssey4meif it was very frequent, that wouldn't happen13:13
odyssey4mewe can implement the index in our deploy guide through some sort of automation actually13:14
odyssey4meI expect we could do something in our doc build automation to make it work13:14
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dhellmanndo all of the repo names use a common pattern?13:14
odyssey4medhellmann yep - openstack/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-).*13:15
dhellmannodyssey4me : ok, we could add 1 rule directly to the htaccess file for that then13:16
odyssey4methat's the pattern at this time at least13:16
dhellmannand you can put the automation for the list of modules in your guide's build13:16
AJaegerdhellmann: similar discussion for kuyr, kury-kubernetes, kuryr-libnetwork, kuryr-tempest-plugin - fortunately that list is smaller. Question is should we add them to the main index or not?13:16
odyssey4mewe currently have this in our guide, which is the bit I'd like to automate: https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/draft/configure.html#advanced-service-configuration13:17
odyssey4mebut that's something we can handle13:17
AJaegerdhellmann: yeah, that would work, one big redirect from /developer/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible... to /$113:17
odyssey4meI'd rather we didn't spam the main index with all those, although what belongs in the main index is really up to the docs team to decide. I'm just trying not to hog the manuals index with our 40+ repositories.13:18
dhellmannAJaeger : I like the idea of establishing a pattern of linking to *a* deployment guide for each tool, dealing with the redirects through a pattern based on the naming convention, and then letting the team deal with the longer lists on their own13:18
dhellmannodyssey4me : ++13:18
AJaegerdhellmann: yes, agreed13:18
odyssey4methat may make sense for services and their libraries too I guess13:19
dhellmannwe may want to revisit the other plugin lists in the same way (baremetal & networking)13:19
odyssey4meah yes, and services with their drivers/plugins/etc13:19
odyssey4meotherwise the index page is overwhelming13:19
dhellmannperhaps we can put some code in openstackdocstheme to make it easy to build such lists13:20
dhellmannodyssey4me : so, would you like to propose the patch to openstack-manuals/www/.htaccess to add the redirect rule?13:21
odyssey4medhellmann I can do that, although I may need some help with placement. Would this be derived from AJaeger's current patch?13:21
dhellmannlet's make it standalone and he can remove the bits related to ansible modules from his13:22
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contrib-guide] Top level edits for new doc team structure  https://review.openstack.org/49351313:22
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dhellmannodyssey4me : maybe you could add a stanza somewhere around line 37 of the current file, before "Redirect removed user guide"13:23
AJaegerodyssey4me: I can abandon my change, after this discussion it's probably not needed anymore as is. Let's do a new one and then I'll revisit mine and decide what to do with it.13:23
dhellmannAJaeger, asettle, pkovar: where does the docs team write down policies like what we just decided?13:25
asettledhellmann: probably the contrib guide, tbh.13:26
dhellmannok. who's going to write that patch?13:26
dhellmann#writeitdown13:27
* AJaeger takes that task...13:29
dhellmannAJaeger : thanks!13:29
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odyssey4methanks AJaeger - I'll push a patch shortly13:35
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Build additional tr_TR guides  https://review.openstack.org/49613313:41
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Document index pages  https://review.openstack.org/49623213:43
AJaegerfirst draft ^13:44
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odyssey4medhellmann AJaeger hang on, isn't the redirect for all /developer docs generic?14:00
odyssey4medoes this need to be special for OSA?14:00
dhellmannodyssey4me : we don't have a single redirect for /developer, that's why you're not already seeing redirects working14:01
dhellmannwe list individual projects by name14:01
dhellmannthat way we only include redirects for official projects14:01
odyssey4meok, I just though t it might be appropriate for this patch to do a generic one and perhaps negate any URL's that need more special treatment14:01
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dhellmannthe file you're going to edit is a template that renders out to include individual redirect rules14:02
dhellmannso you only need to worry about the ones you actually want to match14:02
openstackgerritJesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OSA redirects to new docs location  https://review.openstack.org/49624014:04
odyssey4me^ hope that's right?14:04
dhellmannlooking14:04
dhellmannodyssey4me : the $1 is going to just capture the stuff between the (), which won't be the whole URL you need14:05
odyssey4meah14:05
* odyssey4me forgot his regex momentarily :p14:05
dhellmannI think you want ((ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-).*)14:05
dhellmannand $1 should still be right14:05
dhellmannoh, no, you need the target to be /$1/latest/14:06
dhellmannmaybe the pattern should be (ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-[^/]+)/14:07
dhellmannthat would be more consistent with the other projects, which only redirect the top-level landing page14:07
odyssey4mehmm, well - it's ansible-hardening... or openstack-ansible or openstack-ansible-os_cinder (for example)14:08
dhellmannah14:08
AJaegerodyssey4me: commented similarly, let me paste here14:08
AJaegerThat won't redirect properly. what about:14:08
AJaeger^/developer/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-[^/]*)/ /$114:08
AJaegerNote this redirects to the index page only. If you want to redirect to same page, you need a second () like:14:08
AJaeger^/developer/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-[^/]*)/(.*)$ /$1/$214:08
AJaegerodyssey4me: openstack-ansible already redirects, no need to cover that one.14:09
dhellmann(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-?[^/]*)/14:09
dhellmannoh, nevermind then :-)14:09
odyssey4meAJaeger yeah, fair enough14:09
dhellmannthe patterns AJaeger has look good, esp. that 2nd one14:09
dhellmannasettle : we need that testing tool. what's your schedule like? :-)14:10
odyssey4meok, I'm trying to understand it though - because it doesn't quite make sense to me - the -[^/]* bit14:10
asettledhellmann: pretty fucking shit, tbh :/ I'm in an intense sprint for the next 2 months14:10
asettleI'm sorry :(14:10
dhellmannhrm14:10
dhellmannodyssey4me : that means - followed by characters other than / so it will only take the project name portion of the path14:11
dhellmann^/developer/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-[^/]+)/(.*)$ /$1/latest/$214:11
AJaegerodyssey4me: it should match openstack-ansible-cinder in /developer/openstack-ansible-cinder/blabla.html14:11
dhellmannAJaeger : we keep leaving out the "latest" in the new path14:12
AJaegerdhellmann: indeed ;(14:12
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odyssey4medhellmann ah, makes sense - will update14:29
openstackgerritJesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OSA redirects to new docs location  https://review.openstack.org/49624014:30
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* AJaeger wonders why https://docs.openstack.org/pike/projects.html shows an empty "bare metal subprojects" list - is that really correct?14:57
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Document index pages  https://review.openstack.org/49623214:58
dhellmannAJaeger : ironic and ironic-inspector are commented out in the project data14:58
AJaegerasettle: thanks for review - I only addressed your "," but not the rest, see my comments14:58
dhellmannwe need to update that file14:59
AJaegerdhellmann: ah, ok14:59
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dhellmannI was going to mention that to asettle and pkovar as one of the remaining release tasks when we talk about those14:59
AJaegerdhellmann: yeah, good!15:00
AJaegerbtw. should docs.o.o really redirect to https://docs.openstack.org/pike/ - and not to ocata? PIke isn't released yet15:01
dhellmannwell, someone approved my patch to change the release status while I was out last week :-)15:02
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AJaegeroh, might have been me? That explains it ;( wasn't aware of the side effect ;(15:03
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dhellmannI don't think it's a big deal15:07
dhellmannI actually designed the system with the idea that docs.o.o might be updated around the time we branch to cut down on the pressure of coordinating with the release team on the final date15:08
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asettleSorry dhellmann what was up?15:30
asettleAfternoon meeting ahoy15:30
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dhellmannasettle : I'm not sure any more. Mustn't have been too important.15:30
asettleHahhahaha okay rad15:31
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OSA redirects to new docs location  https://review.openstack.org/49624016:43
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aspiershrm, where can I find the zuul docs now? I'm stupid, so I can't figure it out from http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html16:54
aspiershttps://docs.openstack.org/zuul/latest is a 40416:54
AJaegeraspiers: check https://docs.openstack.org/infra/16:55
aspiersAJaeger: I did16:56
AJaegeraspiers: they did not move at all...16:56
aspiersAJaeger: https://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/genindex.html16:56
aspiershttps://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/16:56
aspiershttps://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/gating.html16:56
aspiersI beg to differ16:56
AJaegeraspiers: ah, those - best ask on #openstack-infra, the zuul team screwed up with publishing...16:57
AJaegerwe need to merge a simple patch to zuul to restore content AFAIU16:57
AJaegeraspiers: I asked on #openstack-infra16:58
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Add kolla and kuryr projects  https://review.openstack.org/49631617:02
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AJaegerdhellmann: please review https://review.openstack.org/49632117:15
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Add puppet-openstack-guide as deployment project  https://review.openstack.org/49632817:24
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AJaegerdhellmann: I think something is wrong with projects that have no stable branches. For example reno shows up at https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/projects.html but the link gives a 404 - and reno is not on the pike page. What should we do with these kind of projects like reno or openstackdocstheme that have no stable branches?17:48
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dhellmannAJaeger : hrm. maybe we should always link those to latest?17:59
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dhellmannoh, that ocata page is built by hand, isn't it17:59
dhellmannthat's why the link checker didn't catch that17:59
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AJaegerdhellmann: that would explain it. And yes, I think we need an option to mark repos as "master-only" and add them to all index pages. So, I would add to "master.yaml" and then merge the content for each release so that we only maintain this once. what do you think? Might be a job for somebody to learn the tools?18:01
dhellmannAJaeger: yeah, I agree we need to solve it. Let's find an author and then we can figure out a solution.18:03
dhellmannAJaeger : another solution might be to have 1 page that shows those master-only projects and link to it from the index pages18:04
AJaegerdhellmann: yeah, could work as well, needs clear checking of headings. We have tools that have stable branches and others not etc.18:05
AJaegerdhellmann: how do you want to continue here?18:06
dhellmannAJaeger : I think for now we should add it to the backlog18:07
dhellmannand then patch that ocata page to fix it18:07
dhellmannit will mean leaving reno off of the pike page, but it's listed on the queens page so that's ok18:08
AJaegerbut people might not find the queens page quickly - but yeah, let's add to the backlog...18:09
dhellmannAJaeger: we could put out a call for help on the dev list18:10
dhellmanntry to find a volunteer to work on it sooner18:11
AJaegerdhellmann: add a comment on line 15618:12
AJaegerdhellmann: if you want to find a volunteer, feel free to ask - but this can wait a few days as well... I won't write anymore emails today ;)18:13
dhellmannAJaeger : ok18:14
dhellmannAJaeger : line 156 of which patch? sorry, doing 3 things at once...18:14
AJaegerdhellmann: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future-problems18:14
dhellmannah18:14
AJaegerthanks for cleaning up after me ;)18:15
* AJaeger waves good bye for tonight18:16
dhellmannAJaeger : o/18:16
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openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Adding [management] tag  https://review.openstack.org/49642521:57
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Document index pages  https://review.openstack.org/49623223:20
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