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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/490357 | 07:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Korondi proposed openstack/training-guides master: Workflow - Replace inconsistent screenshots with selectable code snippets. https://review.openstack.org/489760 | 09:11 |
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| asettle | AJaeger: how do we want to tackle bugs like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1708394 | 09:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1708394 in neutron "Some URL in neutron's documentation cannot found(404)." [Undecided,New] | 09:16 |
| asettle | I've moved it over to the neutron team | 09:16 |
| asettle | Since that seems most appropriate | 09:16 |
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| asettle | stephenfin: just an FYI - https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1708044 | 09:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1708044 in openstack-manuals "nova admin guides missing, in new openstack docs structure" [Undecided,New] | 09:34 |
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| chason | stephenfin, asettle I have proposed two patches. The one is for the Nova Install Guide, another is for Admin Guide. | 09:54 |
| chason | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477488/ | 09:55 |
| chason | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477497/ | 09:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Regenerate sitemap https://review.openstack.org/490408 | 09:56 |
| AJaeger | asettle: agreed | 09:56 |
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| AJaeger | asettle: for some of these we might need to add redirects as I did with https://review.openstack.org/490185 - but not for these specific ones | 09:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Korondi proposed openstack/training-guides master: Workflow - Replace inconsistent screenshots with selectable code snippets. https://review.openstack.org/489760 | 09:57 |
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| asettle | AJaeger: looking | 10:14 |
| asettle | Ah I see | 10:14 |
| asettle | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:+openstack/openstack-manuals+OR+project:openstack/openstackdocstheme+OR+project:openstack/api-site+OR+project:openstack/security-doc) | 10:15 |
| asettle | Well you guys went to town again :p | 10:15 |
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| AJaeger | ;) | 10:15 |
| asettle | I always wake up to such fun | 10:15 |
| AJaeger | asettle: http://paste.openstack.org/show/617316/ is list of yesterday's 404s - so I wanted to get that list smaller... | 10:16 |
| AJaeger | The redirect change addresses items 1-4, 6,7,9,12... | 10:16 |
| asettle | I just paled | 10:18 |
| asettle | My word | 10:18 |
| asettle | That's a lot | 10:18 |
| asettle | My browser is attempting to shut down on me | 10:18 |
| AJaeger | :( | 10:19 |
| AJaeger | asettle: regarding release notes: Yes, we need to add lot more content ... | 10:19 |
| asettle | AJaeger: yeah just saw and approved :) happy to merge on the basis of 404's | 10:23 |
| asettle | But yep, WAY more context :P | 10:23 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 10:23 |
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| asettle | AJaeger: I can't wait for the day when the words 'sitemap' and '404s' don't come up :P | 10:28 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 10:30 |
| * AJaeger regenerated the sitemap - do you want to +2A https://review.openstack.org/490408 ? ;) | 10:30 | |
| asettle | Your wish is my command | 10:30 |
| AJaeger | thanks | 10:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Update links in README https://review.openstack.org/490373 | 10:36 |
| asettle | Okay, I think there's a few more to merge when dhellmann comes in | 10:36 |
| asettle | Anything you want done asap? | 10:36 |
| AJaeger | asettle: nothing urgent, thanks | 10:37 |
| asettle | Neat :) | 10:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site master: Update requirements for Pike https://review.openstack.org/490103 | 10:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc master: Update requirements for Pike https://review.openstack.org/490102 | 10:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals stable/ocata: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/490362 | 10:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Remove reno, add pike releasenotes https://review.openstack.org/486295 | 10:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Regenerate sitemap https://review.openstack.org/490408 | 10:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update doc-tools-check-languages.conf https://review.openstack.org/490100 | 10:40 |
| AJaeger | nice ^ ;) | 10:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add some redirects https://review.openstack.org/490185 | 10:47 |
| AJaeger | asettle: not urgent, just for completeness if time permits: https://review.openstack.org/490136 | 10:48 |
| asettle | Got it :) | 10:48 |
| asettle | It's all fairly easy merges | 10:48 |
| asettle | You want a @a? | 10:48 |
| asettle | 2a? | 10:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site master: Update doc-tools-check-languages.conf https://review.openstack.org/490137 | 10:49 |
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| AJaeger | asettle: Let's wait for second +2... | 10:50 |
| sdague | dhellmann / asettle ... what is missing from the nova docs tree to get the page toc in the sidebar like glance? | 10:50 |
| sdague | https://docs.openstack.org/glance/latest/user/signature.html | 10:50 |
| AJaeger | sdague: you should have it - strange. | 10:51 |
| AJaeger | sdague: do you have a current change to double check? | 10:51 |
| AJaeger | sdague: you have it at https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/ - just scroll down | 10:52 |
| asettle | sdague: | 10:52 |
| -asettle- .. toctree:: | 10:52 | |
| -asettle- :maxdepth: 1 | 10:52 | |
| asettle | Glance uses a depth of '2' | 10:52 |
| AJaeger | your top-level entry is too large | 10:52 |
| asettle | Just one thing I notcied | 10:52 |
| sdague | AJaeger: hmmm... I didn't see it on other pages, but I do see it now, interesting | 10:52 |
| AJaeger | sdague: you only see it if there's more than one title | 10:53 |
| sdague | AJaeger: I'm not sure I understand that? | 10:53 |
| sdague | Also, could we get the page toc at the top? That's more likely to be relevant to the user on the page | 10:54 |
| AJaeger | sdague: check https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/support-matrix.html | 10:54 |
| AJaeger | It has no toc since it has no sections | 10:54 |
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| sdague | AJaeger: ah, sure | 10:54 |
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| sdague | asettle: where should the toctree:: depth be set? I guess it's unclear to me on what things affect the sidebar | 10:58 |
| asettle | index.rst within /doc/source/ | 10:58 |
| asettle | I'll show you glance's file: https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/doc/source/index.rst | 10:59 |
| asettle | If you're ever interested to find out the differences between how glance vs. nova looks, RST is a pretty easy read :) | 10:59 |
| asettle | The source code will usually tell you | 10:59 |
| asettle | So, for nova: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/doc/source/index.rst | 10:59 |
| asettle | You'd do teh same | 10:59 |
| asettle | I imagine stephenfin could fix that in his patch :) | 11:00 |
| sdague | yeh, I'm pretty familiar with RST :) I did write the extension for the api-ref site. Just where which directive triggers the sidebar wasn't jumping out to me | 11:01 |
| asettle | Easy as then :) and totally understandable. The config for the toc can often be confusing and annoying (and then occasionally, doesn't work - ugh!) | 11:01 |
| sdague | it also appears that my docs env was out of date, and that the sidebar flip was a new openstackdocs theme | 11:01 |
| asettle | Btu that should be you go :) if not, lemme know and i'll pull it down and have a poke around | 11:01 |
| AJaeger | sdague: yes, the most recent openstackdocstheme added that | 11:01 |
| asettle | Ahh, well that explains that :p | 11:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/training-guides master: Update requirements for pike https://review.openstack.org/490117 | 11:10 |
| sdague | ok... just to understand the relationships here | 11:12 |
| sdague | the reason we have a giant sidebar toc is because everything has toctree stanzas in index.rst | 11:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Fix glossary link https://review.openstack.org/490424 | 11:13 |
| asettle | sdague: yep. That was one of the reasons, when I did my patch with stephenfin , that I was nesting things further | 11:14 |
| asettle | Of course I understand you didn't like the full approach, but it was a suggestion. I have found, in my experience, that this works better in the long run. | 11:14 |
| sdague | we get one additional level shown here https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/testing.html because some sphinx magic? | 11:14 |
| asettle | And also clears up the toc's | 11:14 |
| asettle | Lemme have a lookie | 11:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/training-guides master: Workflow - Replace inconsistent screenshots with selectable code snippets. https://review.openstack.org/489760 | 11:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Fix glossary links, use https https://review.openstack.org/490425 | 11:15 |
| asettle | sdague: not quite magic. It's opening up each level as you are technically *on* that page. If you click on 'feature classification' it'll do teh same thing | 11:15 |
| sdague | asettle: sure, but if you also have the page contents sidebar it seems confusing to half do it in one place, then fully in another | 11:16 |
| asettle | sdague: yes, I agree. We just implemented this feature, so I imagine that's something we could improve upon. Perhaps you could help? :) | 11:17 |
| asettle | Does seem very redundant | 11:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Remove navigation.html https://review.openstack.org/490425 | 11:19 |
| sdague | yeh, well trying to get my head around how all the pieces fit together | 11:20 |
| asettle | sdague: no problem. We're bound to run into bugs. It's good we're finding them :) | 11:20 |
| asettle | I'm trying to find the patch that implemented the toc change | 11:20 |
| asettle | changes* | 11:20 |
| asettle | I think my brain is hungry cause I can't see it -.- | 11:21 |
| sdague | actually, I'm also super confused about why nova team process shows up in the toc twice her e- https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/process.html | 11:21 |
| sdague | yeh, well the patch I didn't like was more about splitting up things like that process document into smaller docs, which won't help the toc problem I don't think | 11:21 |
| sdague | did something change in sphinx recently around parsing for when content gets thrown into call out blocks? | 11:27 |
| sdague | https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/reference/api-microversion-history.html - example | 11:28 |
| sdague | but also https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/process.html | 11:28 |
| sdague | oh, you know what it is, it's just the new style | 11:28 |
| sdague | that's making that all much much bigger with the vertical line | 11:29 |
| sdague | oof, there is a bunch of clean up of errant white space here | 11:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Fix glossary link https://review.openstack.org/490424 | 11:29 |
| stephenfin | sdague: If you do those cleanup patches, can you tag em with doc-migration or whatever so we can see them? | 11:31 |
| sdague | stephenfin: can I tag them bp: doc-migration and it will do it? | 11:31 |
| sdague | stephenfin: well, lets see | 11:32 |
| sdague | that will at least keep the topic bp/doc-migration so I can have branches in parallel | 11:32 |
| stephenfin | You can't - we don't have a doc-migration bp in nova | 11:34 |
| stephenfin | Git review will do the magic if you use a 'doc-migration' branch tho | 11:34 |
| stephenfin | sdague: ^ | 11:34 |
| sdague | stephenfin: yes, then I have to have one local branch | 11:35 |
| sdague | which isn't going to work here | 11:35 |
| sdague | bp: doc-migration | 11:35 |
| sdague | does work | 11:35 |
| sdague | the gerrit topic setting works independent of verifying the blueprint | 11:35 |
| sdague | so that is a stable tag regardless of branch / git review -d and the like | 11:35 |
| stephenfin | but that sets the topic as 'bp/doc-migration' and not 'doc-migration', no? | 11:35 |
| sdague | yes | 11:36 |
| sdague | but that's going to be the only way to have a stable topic | 11:37 |
| stephenfin | Eh, fair enough. I personally use 'git review -fy' when I'm done with something and pull in only the branch I'm working on, but whatever works | 11:38 |
| sdague | yeh, I expect the git review -d on quick fixes by various people is going to scramble that often enough to be less useful | 11:39 |
| sdague | also, this is actually a big enough effort, a blueprint wouldn't be a terrible idea | 11:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Fix glossary link https://review.openstack.org/490424 | 11:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add hacking to indices and redirects https://review.openstack.org/490445 | 11:58 |
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| asettle | sorry sdague I ran away just now to grab some food. Forgot to put an away message up | 12:08 |
| AJaeger | asettle: and I pushed some more fixes up for 404s ^ | 12:09 |
| asettle | Thanks, got 'em | 12:10 |
| AJaeger | asettle: food is a good idea - bbl | 12:10 |
| asettle | o/ | 12:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Fix glossary link https://review.openstack.org/490424 | 12:16 |
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| asettle | sdague and stephenfin - regarding concerns earlier about the lengthy ToC - I'd be happy to pull down https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478485/17 and have a crack at minimalising it. This does mean there will be nesting, but I won't break up the files like I did previously | 12:27 |
| asettle | Addressing that concern here would probably be the best/easiest way forward. | 12:27 |
| asettle | Also, think it might be worth merging that patch and this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490088/1 | 12:28 |
| asettle | Since they are addressing the same file, and to save on major merge conflicts... | 12:29 |
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| asettle | okay stephenfin pulling down https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478485/ now | 12:53 |
| stephenfin | asettle: (y) | 12:53 |
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| stephenfin | Before you merge though, sdague - you happy to rework that file to clean up the ToC | 12:54 |
| stephenfin | ? | 12:54 |
| stephenfin | Tbh, I thought the conclusion was that we weren't doing any refactoring in Pike | 12:54 |
| asettle | I pinky promise there will be nesting :P there's no real other way to do it. | 12:54 |
| asettle | Not huge refactoring, but I think it'll be beneficial to have a *slightly less* confusing ToC | 12:55 |
| asettle | Then you can dive in afterwards | 12:55 |
| asettle | Just cleaning up the front page, nest it one layer lower, that way your users can navigate and not be too affronted | 12:55 |
| asettle | It is just a suggestion, of course :) | 12:55 |
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| stephenfin | asettle: So everything under 'user' to 'user/index', etc.? | 13:01 |
| asettle | Yep, that's what I'm thinking. | 13:02 |
| asettle | If you'd like to do that, have a go. I mean, we can always revert. | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | asettle, AJaeger, stephenfin : o/ | 13:03 |
| asettle | Yo yo morning | 13:03 |
| sdague | so before we just start changing the toc, it would be nice to write out an information design for how we want people experiencing this thing, as well as what we think the most useful parts to put front and center are | 13:04 |
| sdague | like etherpad it | 13:04 |
| stephenfin | sdague: Is that not what the docs-migration spec is for? | 13:04 |
| sdague | stephenfin: that's just explaining the distinction between user, configuration, reference right? | 13:05 |
| asettle | sdague: not necessarily. We defined what they were, because we want those to be up front and centre. | 13:05 |
| asettle | They are what we consider important sections. | 13:05 |
| asettle | Within those, you can introduce what is contributor information, and lay it all out | 13:05 |
| sdague | I mean specific to nova. Like it's not really clear to me why that RPC doc would ever be in the toc. | 13:06 |
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| sdague | asettle: right, so I want to have the conversation before code on organizational structure because I don't think gerrit is a great discussion medium for those kinds of changes | 13:07 |
| stephenfin | sdague: So we've moved all the docs to a section | 13:07 |
| stephenfin | *various sections | 13:07 |
| stephenfin | Now, those sections aren't necessarily correct | 13:07 |
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| stephenfin | Some because I misjudged them, and others because they're probably docs that should be split into multiple sections | 13:08 |
| asettle | An example is horizon: https://docs.openstack.org/horizon/latest/ | 13:08 |
| stephenfin | However, I was under the impression that we didn't want to do any major refactor this late in the cycle | 13:08 |
| stephenfin | and we were just going to have to live with oddly placed docs until Queens | 13:08 |
| asettle | Which would make sense. Seeing as there is a lot of work to be done here - and a plan would be a good idea. | 13:08 |
| asettle | However, I am just suggesting that perhaps we address the giant ToC issue, so we don't end up with a lot of very confused users. | 13:09 |
| asettle | Perhaps, sdague and stephenfin - we could organise a time at the PTG to sit down and have a planning session on how to organis this? | 13:09 |
| stephenfin | At that point, an etherpad or similar (and having someone from docs on board) would make definitely sense | 13:09 |
| stephenfin | asettle: (y) | 13:09 |
| asettle | I will come in as the info dev, and give you my best guidance and advice on how to manage your documentation, and you can both guide me on what is important | 13:09 |
| asettle | Okay, let's do. stephenfin could you add a note to: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-doc-PTG | 13:10 |
| asettle | What day is nova doing sessions? At the Atlanta PTG, I went into the glance and DNS team sessions and sat down with the team | 13:10 |
| asettle | Or we could find a time to do it outside of those confines. | 13:10 |
| asettle | So far, we're looking like we're going to have a busy 2 days with the stuff we have so far. | 13:10 |
| asettle | But I'm avail Wed - Fri | 13:11 |
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| stephenfin | asettle: Done. I don't know what my schedule is yet but will closer to the time | 13:12 |
| asettle | Sweet. I know what you look like, also you're incredibly tall, so I'm sure I'll find you in a crowd to chat about a good time | 13:12 |
| asettle | That sounded weirded than it did in my head. | 13:12 |
| stephenfin | sdague: Does that make sense? (Resolve the ToC issue now. Work on restructuring issues in Queens once we've got a PoA in place) | 13:13 |
| sdague | stephenfin: I definitely agree it's important to have a less confusing ToC at this release, I still think that it impacts the whole of any restructuring, so is still worth writing down the changes conceptually and not just starting with a gerrit patch | 13:16 |
| asettle | sdague: if we're only looking at a top level change right now (and not going any further) then the change in gerrit would adequately reflect the build changes better than a etherpad would. I, personally, find the action of showing the changes a little easier to digest. We could start an etherpad with the minimal ToC we propose in the change now, and build down from there | 13:21 |
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| asettle | Here's something we can get started with: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-doc-restructure | 13:22 |
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| stephenfin | asettle: What's the deal with not needing copyrights anymore? | 13:27 |
| stephenfin | What does the theme do that makes them unnecessary? | 13:27 |
| asettle | Good question, trying to find it for you. | 13:29 |
| asettle | I thought we had something down for it | 13:29 |
| asettle | https://github.com/openstack/openstackdocstheme/blob/master/LICENSE | 13:29 |
| asettle | Lines 124, there's no requirement to have your own copyright statement | 13:29 |
| asettle | You can chose to do so or not. It's just bulky, imho. So, entirely up to you. | 13:30 |
| asettle | stephenfin: also I forgot, that ToC is going to be *even worse* once we introduce the installa nd admin patches | 13:34 |
| asettle | Alright, everything is typed out | 13:34 |
| asettle | For what we have | 13:34 |
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| asettle | stephenfin: so, I included the (to be merged) install and admin as examples in the etherpad | 13:58 |
| asettle | What that does is put everything down one level, so when it's generating the toc, it's laying out everything on that level you see there | 13:58 |
| asettle | sdague: I see you've got it open too, this should hopefully help with teh visuals | 13:58 |
| setuid | What is wrong with this construct: .. title:: OpenStack Installation Guide | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | setuid : what error do you see? | 14:05 |
| setuid | It's flagged as missing a required argument in 'doc/install-guide/source/index.rst' | 14:05 |
| setuid | ERROR: Error in "title" directive | 14:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add hacking to indices and redirects https://review.openstack.org/490445 | 14:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc master: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/490492 | 14:07 |
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| setuid | 1 argument(s) required, 0 supplied. | 14:07 |
| setuid | .. title:: | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | setuid : is that actually the directive being parsed? at one point some of the build steps modified the title to insert the platform, maybe that modification step is going bad? | 14:07 |
| setuid | Not sure, I'm just running 'tox -e docs -r' inside the mitaka-eol tag | 14:07 |
| setuid | Worked with liberty (mvn+tox), not trying mitaka, fails | 14:08 |
| setuid | s/not/now/ | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | I'd have to look through the build log to see if it's trying to update the title | 14:09 |
| setuid | I think I'm still in this mountain of 400 dependency version hell though, I need to downgrade to build liberty, then upgrade some (but not all) to build mitaka, it's kind of a mess | 14:09 |
| AJaeger | setuid: the Install Guides are build by a script, are you using that? | 14:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-doc-tools master: Cleanup doc-tools-check-languages https://review.openstack.org/490136 | 14:10 |
| sdague | asettle: ok, be patient with me as I'm trying to come up to speed to be helpful. | 14:10 |
| setuid | AJaeger: I'm just following the build instructions, tox -e docs | 14:10 |
| AJaeger | setuid: yeah, it should... | 14:10 |
| setuid | AJaeger: And I see it's calling 'build-all-rst.sh', which I can run manually and fails in the same way | 14:10 |
| asettle | sdague: no problem. If it is helpful, we could jump on a meeting with stephenfin and I can take you through what I know :) | 14:10 |
| setuid | I'm going to rip out every single pip module and install from scratach | 14:10 |
| asettle | setuid: you go girl | 14:10 |
| AJaeger | setuid: might have aborted earlier, so what's output of "git status"? | 14:11 |
| sdague | asettle: yeh, I'd do that. | 14:11 |
| AJaeger | setuid: make sure you have a clean tree... | 14:11 |
| asettle | sdague: cool, I have some time this afternoon if you do - if not, we can find a time that works :) | 14:11 |
| sdague | I guess the thing I'm trying to figure out, sphinx gets really grumpy if you don't add every file to a toc somewhere | 14:11 |
| asettle | sdague: sphinx is a PITA | 14:11 |
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| sdague | but, honestly, much of the time it's fine not to have things in the TOC | 14:12 |
| AJaeger | setuid: I would have thought you just use "tox -e install-guide-ubuntu" ;) | 14:12 |
| sdague | at least they way I experience html sites, deep pages are totally legit for details | 14:12 |
| AJaeger | setuid: note that the mitaka documents are all on our website, so why rebuilt? | 14:12 |
| setuid | AJaeger: I run 'git clean -f -x -d' between invocations | 14:12 |
| AJaeger | ok | 14:12 |
| sdague | and that was my thinking on first round of this, was just remove things from the toctree so only the most important things are there, and it's fine if there are other deep pages that get linked to | 14:13 |
| asettle | sdague: yep, that's basically where my head is at. | 14:13 |
| setuid | AJaeger: $ git status | 14:13 |
| setuid | HEAD detached at mitaka-eol | 14:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc master: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/490492 | 14:14 |
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| asettle | okay sdague when do you have some time? I'm on a call at the moment, but I'll be done in about 10 mins | 14:18 |
| asettle | We can sit down and figure it out. stephenfin you got some free time? | 14:18 |
| stephenfin | I'm booking flights for the PTG, but should be free in ~20 mins | 14:19 |
| stephenfin | asettle: * | 14:19 |
| stephenfin | * ^ | 14:19 |
| asettle | Works for me, gives me time to grab some team | 14:19 |
| asettle | tea*( | 14:19 |
| asettle | I can give you guys the link to my Rackspace conf call | 14:21 |
| sdague | sure, 20 minutes would be fine | 14:21 |
| asettle | Okay, I'll PM you both with a link for 20 minutes time | 14:22 |
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| dhellmann | setuid : the mitaka-build branch in https://github.com/dhellmann/openstack-manuals builds for me on 16.04.2 using python 2.7 | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | setuid : I ran "tox -e docs" and "tox -e publishdocs" separately and both passed | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | there are a couple of patches in that branch on top of the mitaka-eol tag, but I think both are changes you and I have already discussed | 14:24 |
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| setuid | I just ripped out every pip package installed that was non-core, installed tox 2.3.1, matching my Linux machine, and rebuilt. Dies in the same place. One of these packages is parsing that header incorrectly, and I can't figure out which of the pile in this monstrous tree of modules, that it is | 14:33 |
| setuid | I'm building natively on both Linux and Mac | 14:33 |
| setuid | I know I'm a squeaky wheel, but it can't possibly require this much upgrade/downgrade/force/reset/clean/reinstall to just build the docs | 14:34 |
| stephenfin | setuid: What pbr version is it using? | 14:35 |
| setuid | 1.8.0 on Linux, not installed on Mac. I'm installing a matching version now. | 14:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Documents how to set conf.py for PDF generation https://review.openstack.org/489272 | 14:36 |
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| setuid | stephenfin: Fails in exactly the same way | 14:42 |
| setuid | I'm going to pull my Linux package versions and inject them onto the Mac, it's definitely something subtle. There's 390 modules to consider here for this one build. | 14:42 |
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| stephenfin | setuid: I'm assuming a lot of those are to do with the package itself and not the docs | 15:20 |
| stephenfin | afaict, most docs builds also install the package and all its deps | 15:20 |
| stephenfin | for reasons of sphinx-autodoc and the likes | 15:20 |
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| setuid | stephenfin: The issue is that it's impossible to get 390 pip packages aand their hundreds of sub-dependencies of the exact correct versions to parse the doc syntax correctly, and then add the requirement to rip all of those out and replace them with older/newer versions if you're building from other tags. | 15:23 |
| setuid | It's a HUGE roadblock to building these docs in any repeatable, clean way (think CI) | 15:23 |
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| AJaeger | setuid: the install guide uses some sed call to update the title based on the guide - so might be that sed does something wrong for you | 15:24 |
| setuid | My Mac just finished installing all of the same pip packages, by version, as on my working Linux machine | 15:24 |
| AJaeger | setuid: those docs are always build in a CI ;) | 15:24 |
| setuid | AJaeger: The two resulting files are -identical- between my Mac clone and my Linux clone | 15:24 |
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| setuid | It's something deep under the hood of these packages | 15:25 |
| setuid | AJaeger: I started by pulling the upper-constraints.txt, using those versions, but it fails somewhere in the same parsing stack with those deps | 15:27 |
| setuid | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/plain/upper-constraints.txt?h=stable/mitaka | 15:27 |
| setuid | Ok, it just failed on Mac, with the exact same numbered dependencies as my working Linux machine | 15:30 |
| asettle | sdague stephenfin : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477488/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477497/ | 15:31 |
| setuid | Interesting, looks like some of the errors are red-herrings, masking the underlying problem. Barfed on the title parsing again, but I ran the build-all-rst.sh directly and it complained that sphinx-mark was missing, installed that, re-ran tox, failed in the same way, ran the script again, told me that openstackdocstheme was missing, installed that, now it's building again. | 15:34 |
| setuid | Ok, now it fails in the same way.. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f6661bba/ | 15:35 |
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| dhellmann | setuid : remind me again why you're building on the mac? | 15:39 |
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| asettle | 2 cents: lots of people use macs | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | lots of people use lots of things. how much do we support? | 15:40 |
| asettle | Usually linux, and by extension, mac - simply because it's unix as well. Windows - not really ever | 15:41 |
| asettle | I would say it's fairly unsustainable to only support linux | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | the versions of some of the tools used in our shell scripts vary between linux and mac, so we may have to rewrite those if we want to formally claim macos support | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | sed is one of those | 15:43 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: mac os was always best effort - so we take patches that somebody submits... | 15:43 |
| AJaeger | but we do not test mac... | 15:43 |
| sdague | asettle: cool... stephenfin are you going to rebase those - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477488/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477497/ | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | that's fine, I don't object to supporting it, I'm just pointing out that in this case we know the build works on linux and it's failing on mac, so I want to make sure we're not throwing a bunch of effort into something we don't have to | 15:44 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: agreed. Our CI is on Linux etc - so if somebody runs in problems on Mac, let them test on Linux first... | 15:47 |
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| setuid | It's easier and faster to configure, deploy and stand up openstack itself, than it is to build the docs that are needed to support that same environment. Sigh. | 15:49 |
| AJaeger | setuid: it's not - for everybody else here it's the opposite ;) | 15:50 |
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| AJaeger | setuid: sorry to hear that from you, I'm really surprised that we test this in CI - and mitaka was in CI until just a few weeks ago on Ubuntu and it fails for you ;( | 15:54 |
| setuid | My biggest complaint is the amount of meticulous package surgery and repository patching it needs to build cleanly | 15:56 |
| setuid | It's _very_ fragile | 15:56 |
| setuid | I've never, in my entire career, met a single codebase that required so much hand-holding to build | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | setuid : the problem is in the difference in behavior between grep and sed on linux and ubuntu | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | build-install-guides-rst.sh is trying to pull a title string out of the index.rst for the install guide, and getting an empty value | 15:58 |
| setuid | It appears to work, on Linux, when you have all of the specific packages downgraded/injected, after patching | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | line 39 of the file | 15:59 |
| stephenfin | sdague: I am, yeah. Just finishing up now | 15:59 |
| setuid | dhellmann: So you think it's not in the pip packages at this point, but in the OS-provided sed/awk'isms? | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | to get this branch to build on linux I applied 1 patch to fix obsolete urls. What else have you had to do? | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | setuid : yes, it has noting to do with the python stuff | 15:59 |
| AJaeger | setuid: I see change I63fc0fd0c8afde883ffaf69c9b674c88d8079014 | 15:59 |
| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364404/ - might solve your problem | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | setuid : http://paste.openstack.org/show/617456/ | 16:01 |
| setuid | One sec, I'll give that a test... juggling a handful of code/cats here | 16:02 |
| setuid | (not literally cats) | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | setuid : remove the "-m 1" argument from the grep command | 16:02 |
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| ianychoi | Oh that's my patch - applying the patch should work on MacOS environment | 16:03 |
| setuid | I went down the wrong dungeon, chasing pip version/dependencies, not OS portability issues | 16:05 |
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| ianychoi | I have just 1) cloned mitaka-eol, 2) did the same change as 364404, and 3) executed $ tox -einstall-guides and it works well | 16:09 |
| ianychoi | (on my MacOS environment) | 16:09 |
| setuid | I'm not a fan of that snaggly pipelining, but once I wrap my head around how this tree builds, all of the various nested tools, I'll submit some portability patches/fixxes. | 16:10 |
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| ianychoi | In my honest opinion, it would be also great if upper-constraints.txt or test-requirements.txt in the repository might be changed (e.g., the using version) before tagging as eol - for example, I see "deprecation warning: io.FileInput() argument `handle_io_errors` is ignored since "Docutils 0.10 (2012-12-16)" and will soon be removed"), but not sure whether it would be so great idea or not with wider view in OpenStack. | 16:12 |
| setuid | ianychoi: add it to the list! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future-problems | 16:14 |
| ianychoi | setuid, sorry I don't know what you are doing but I am now just sharing my experience by seeing this channel :) | 16:14 |
| setuid | Confirmed, that minor fix allows docs to complete clean on Mac | 16:15 |
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| ianychoi | setuid, oh you are doing some important things :) | 16:15 |
| ianychoi | Thank you for sharing the Etherpad | 16:16 |
| AJaeger | ianychoi: that etherpad is where dhellmann, asettle, et al put out all the issues we found while migrating docs | 16:21 |
| setuid | ^^ this | 16:21 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, aha I see. I admit that recently I have not seen all the messages in this channel because of my busy work and I wanted to sync through IRC meetings... I saw the link previously but I have not notice that there have been a bunch of updates on the Etherpad | 16:24 |
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| ianychoi | setuid, actually my honest idea for this needs to be discussed through wider view of OpenStack. I am now contributing mainly in I18n team, happy to contribute in Docs team as an individual contributor and hope that such wider topics will be driven by other contributors. | 16:37 |
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