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| pkovar | AJaeger: fyi, Add additional-services chapter to IG https://review.openstack.org/342190 | 14:10 |
| pkovar | i think its ready for reviews | 14:11 |
| pkovar | will also update the draft index page with more services | 14:11 |
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| AJaeger | thanks, pkovar | 14:15 |
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| rosmaita | hello docs people: can anyone tell me about this thing i found via google? it doesn't have a date, has the old styling, doesn't seem linked-to from the main docs page anymore: http://docs.openstack.org/glossary/content/glossary.html | 16:53 |
| rosmaita | my interest is in the accuracy (currency) of the content | 16:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | pretty sure we've moved to an rst glossary | 16:55 |
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| annegentle | rosmaita: can you log a bug that that file should be removed? Thanks! | 17:30 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: will do ... is there a replacement for it? someone asked me about tenant vs project, and i came across that page | 17:30 |
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| annegentle | rosmaita: looking | 17:32 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: ok, figured out the confusion here. Go to http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/common/glossary.html | 17:32 |
| annegentle | that's the RST glossary | 17:32 |
| annegentle | there's no longer a "standalone" glossary | 17:32 |
| annegentle | so that's the "bug" -- that the URL with /content/ (old docbook build) needs to be deleted and probably we should redirect to one of the ones embedded in each guide | 17:33 |
| rosmaita | OK, cool | 17:33 |
| annegentle | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/common/glossary.html for example or user-guide as above | 17:33 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: i will mention all that in the bug | 17:33 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: at least I think that fixes your concerns | 17:33 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: while i've got you | 17:33 |
| rosmaita | question about the api-ref | 17:33 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: you can always patch the content itself too as you know well :) | 17:33 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: sure | 17:33 |
| rosmaita | i'm wondering whether they should be in the -specs repo instead of hte code repo | 17:34 |
| rosmaita | because now an api-ref change triggers the entire gate | 17:34 |
| rosmaita | and takes a really long time | 17:35 |
| rosmaita | plus consuming unnecessary resources | 17:35 |
| rosmaita | is there a good reason *not* to move them? | 17:35 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: honestly, I'm thinking of telling keystone to stop publishing to specs.openstack.org | 17:40 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: I had an admin user note that they NEVER would have looked there | 17:40 |
| annegentle | now, granted, developer.openstack.org isn't all "that" popular yet, but specs.openstack.org is not that visible/findable. | 17:40 |
| annegentle | I'm not a fan. | 17:40 |
| annegentle | for findability reasons mostly | 17:40 |
| annegentle | and belief reasons too | 17:41 |
| annegentle | specs are often speculative, ya know? | 17:41 |
| stevemar | annegentle: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:keystone-api-sprint for just that reason :P | 17:41 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: sure, but can't the place of publication be independent of the repo location? | 17:41 |
| stevemar | annegentle: i'll shut down the APIs in specs.o.o as soon as we have everything ported over to the api-ref folder in the keystone repo | 17:41 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: your point about specs being speculative is why i don't like the "api narrative"-style docs in the specs repo | 17:42 |
| stevemar | we won't be publishing there any longer | 17:42 |
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| rosmaita | but i am reconsidering, because it seems silly to run an hour long gate job on an api-ref change | 17:43 |
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| annegentle | stevemar: huzzzah! | 17:46 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: the place of publication already is independent... so yeah, that could happen | 17:46 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: as in, author in specs, publish to developer.openstack, right? | 17:46 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: exactly | 17:47 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: I mean, you'd have to try it to be sure... but in theory yeah sounds about right | 17:47 |
| rosmaita | becasuse "specs" is "specifications" as well as "speculative" | 17:47 |
| rosmaita | :) | 17:47 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: yeah, you never know project-to-project if spec is future-looking | 17:47 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: i just had something stuck in the gate yesterday wiht all the n-2 stuff happening, that's what made me think of it | 17:48 |
| annegentle | stevemar: last night I wrote "Lance Bragstad is on FIRE!" for the What's up doc? ML post LOL | 17:48 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: oh man, yeah, good point. it's gonna suck if we can't publish docs | 17:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Petr Kovar proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] Add additional-services chapter to IG https://review.openstack.org/342190 | 17:52 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: one other thing, about the api-ref ... i don't think graham's sphinx stanza code to generate the HTTP response code table has merged yet ... what's the current thinking of how response codes should be displayed? | 17:54 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: oh man, let's just merge that sucker and release... | 17:55 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: don't you think? I'll ask Graham | 17:55 |
| mugsie | annegentle: I am ok with what is there at the moment :) | 17:55 |
| annegentle | mugsie: woo | 17:55 |
| annegentle | you're graham, right mugsie? | 17:56 |
| mugsie | yup :) | 17:56 |
| annegentle | sweet! | 17:56 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: i liked it, but i was wondering if the holdup was second thoughts about using tables for the response codes | 17:56 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: honestly, any hold up is some sort of project management on my part to say, let's do these things in coordination! | 17:57 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: is table maintenance bad for some projects? | 17:57 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: as api-ref czar, you are herding the proverbial herd of cats | 17:57 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: ha ha. yep. | 17:57 |
| annegentle | And it's cat rodeo time. | 17:58 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: i don't think so, but someone had left a comment to the effect that it was overkill for some projects | 17:58 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: ok, looking | 17:58 |
| rosmaita | but you can probably make a decree ! | 17:58 |
| stevemar | annegentle: lol | 17:58 |
| stevemar | annegentle: we're close to parity, just gotta transfer over the federation APIs | 17:59 |
| annegentle | hee | 17:59 |
| stevemar | we transferred a whole bunch yesterday and we're going over the APIs now, to make sure they match | 17:59 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: oh, yeah, I see Karen's comment. She's got a point, but I think we pick a standard and those are useful for users | 17:59 |
| annegentle | stevemar: that's awesome | 17:59 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: i agree with you | 18:03 |
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| annegentle | rosmaita: Karen has a good bird's-eye view of all the api docs | 18:04 |
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| rosmaita | annegentle: well, i'm willing to wait until there's a consensus ... i just wanted to make sure i hadn't missed anything | 18:05 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: yeah, agreed. I think I need to outline what's expected for those and see if Karen's there yet. | 18:08 |
| rosmaita | ok, sounds good | 18:08 |
| rosmaita | annegentle: got all of glance merged except v2 images (which arguably, is the most important one) | 18:09 |
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| annegentle | rosmaita: that's impressive, well done! Yeah, v2, it's definitely up there in importance :) So what stopped it from merging, the gate wedge? | 18:13 |
| rosmaita | yeah | 18:13 |
| rosmaita | that's what got me thinking about moving the source | 18:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rebecca Finn proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Redirect outdated glossary to up-to-date version https://review.openstack.org/342337 | 18:23 |
| annegentle | &24; | 18:43 |
| annegentle | heh oops was testing html codes | 18:43 |
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| seldenr | Supposed to be an empty file? http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/config-reference/compute/policy.json.html | 20:06 |
| openstackgerrit | James Page proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add link to OpenStack Charm documentation https://review.openstack.org/342390 | 20:15 |
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| stevemar | annegentle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342399/1 | 20:43 |
| stevemar | :) | 20:43 |
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| annegentle | \o/ stevemar ! | 20:50 |
| stevemar | annegentle: we can stop being the odd-project out now | 20:54 |
| stevemar | we've conformed | 20:54 |
| annegentle | stevemar: hee | 20:54 |
| stevemar | annegentle: i think the sprint was helpful, now a bunch of know how to use the structure | 20:55 |
| stevemar | instead of just one person | 20:55 |
| annegentle | oh that's so good to hear... sort of a training session too then. | 20:56 |
| annegentle | onboard more and more | 20:56 |
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| darrenc | hiya | 21:57 |
| rcaballeromx | Hello! | 21:57 |
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| bsilverman | hi | 21:57 |
| darrenc | ok, so I need help with information to resolve https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1375623 | 21:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1375623 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 14. Backup and Recovery in OpenStack Operations Guide - missing: Horizon Celiometer Swift Heat " [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Darren Chan (dazzachan) | 21:58 |
| rcaballeromx | I'll be fixing some broken links on other guides. Maybe I can do the same for the Ops guide? | 21:58 |
| darrenc | rcaballeromx: that would be great | 21:58 |
| darrenc | I'm not sure what files need to be backed up for Horizon, Ceilometer, Heat | 21:59 |
| rcaballeromx | Cool, I will run my script then. | 21:59 |
| darrenc | would you guys know? | 21:59 |
| bsilverman | Tell me more about what Shaun did and what the direction is right now in regards to the ops guide/arch guide. | 21:59 |
| * rcaballeromx does not know about it. | 21:59 | |
| bsilverman | backed up for disaster recovery? | 21:59 |
| darrenc | bsilverman: yeah, I think so | 22:00 |
| bsilverman | Unless someone has customized Horizon, there's not a lot to back up. | 22:00 |
| darrenc | that's what I though | 22:00 |
| darrenc | s/though/thought | 22:00 |
| bsilverman | Ceilometer would simply be /etc/ceilometer, MongoDB data and MariaDB data that holds the meter/alarm/etc configurations | 22:01 |
| darrenc | bsilverman: ok thanks | 22:02 |
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| bsilverman | The default pipeline configs are in /etc/ceilometer under pipeline.yaml | 22:02 |
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| bsilverman | I guess, for recovery, you may want to do /var/log/ceilometer too | 22:03 |
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| darrenc | thanks, I'll add this information in a patch | 22:04 |
| bsilverman | Of course for heat, same thing, the heat configuration files, any HOT templates, and the MariaDB data which should be part of a mysqldump that is done before anything else. | 22:05 |
| bsilverman | I will send you something I just wrote for a blog | 22:05 |
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| darrenc | bsilverman: That would be great | 22:05 |
| rcaballeromx | Feel free to add me as a reviewer for your changes. I will gladly do some reviews. | 22:06 |
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| darrenc | no worries, will do | 22:06 |
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| bsilverman | darrenc: on its way. It will be on our OnX blog this month and be part of a book I am co-authoring called OpenStack for Architects :) | 22:07 |
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| rcaballeromx | bsilvermann: Looking forward to it! | 22:07 |
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| darrenc | Nice, it sounds like the Arch Guide | 22:07 |
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| bsilverman | Sort of, yes. | 22:08 |
| * rcaballeromx has to run to the next meeting. | 22:08 | |
| bsilverman | However, I have some sections on commercial tools that fill in gaps where open source isn't ready. | 22:08 |
| bsilverman | Hasta pronto rcaballeromx | 22:08 |
| darrenc | see you rcaballeromx | 22:09 |
| darrenc | nice meeting you | 22:09 |
| rcaballeromx | Bye, see you guys next time. | 22:09 |
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| darrenc | bsilverman: shall we chat about the arch guide? | 22:10 |
| bsilverman | yes, lets | 22:10 |
| darrenc | So we attempt to restructure the arch guide in mitaka | 22:12 |
| darrenc | attempted* | 22:12 |
| darrenc | the current guide has a ton of duplication | 22:13 |
| darrenc | and so alot of the work was removing duplication, and reorganising content | 22:13 |
| darrenc | a lot* | 22:13 |
| bsilverman | ok | 22:14 |
| darrenc | Progress slowed down after that because we had no cloud architects onboard to fill in the gaps | 22:15 |
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| darrenc | I met Shaun at the Design Summit who offered to help, and drafted a spec for Newton:http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/newton/arch-guide-restructure.html | 22:16 |
| darrenc | So the basic directory structure is set up, and I migrated some architecture content in the ops guide | 22:16 |
| bsilverman | Nothing on capacity planning, backups, monitoring, etc. | 22:17 |
| darrenc | and I'm looking at the content we consolidated in mitaka to to see where it might fit in the new structure | 22:17 |
| darrenc | for example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341318/ | 22:18 |
| bsilverman | okay, that looks good. | 22:18 |
| darrenc | Sorry, I meant to show https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337441/ | 22:19 |
| darrenc | So at a high level, we need guidance from you and Shaun on what needs to be included | 22:20 |
| darrenc | or added | 22:20 |
| bsilverman | yeah most of these look like a good start, but some concepts could be added | 22:21 |
| bsilverman | IE: compute sizing based on workload definitions and density | 22:21 |
| darrenc | yep | 22:21 |
| bsilverman | that data for flavor configurations etc. | 22:21 |
| bsilverman | maximum efficiency of compute nodes by reducing wasted resources | 22:22 |
| bsilverman | again, by proper sizing and flavor definitions. | 22:22 |
| bsilverman | By the way, I submitted a couple Ops talks for Barcelona, hope mine get selected. | 22:23 |
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| bsilverman | anyway, back to the topic at hand. | 22:23 |
| darrenc | oh cool | 22:23 |
| bsilverman | So do we want to discuss what goes where before adding content or has it been that people just start patching. | 22:24 |
| darrenc | I've been the only person patching :) | 22:24 |
| darrenc | Discussing what goes where would be good | 22:25 |
| bsilverman | let me phrase that differently, is the structure ready, or is there more discussion that has to happen before this arch design draft starts getting content | 22:25 |
| darrenc | Yeah, the skeleton structure is ready. Shaun had a pretty idea on what the guide should be | 22:27 |
| darrenc | clear* | 22:27 |
| bsilverman | okay, is shaun working on any particular sections? | 22:27 |
| darrenc | Basically all I've done is seeing where I can reuse existing content in the new strcuture | 22:27 |
| darrenc | well, he was going to work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337441/ | 22:28 |
| darrenc | but I haven't heard back from him | 22:28 |
| bsilverman | wow, that's a lot to take on | 22:29 |
| bsilverman | compute storage network scaling etc. | 22:29 |
| darrenc | I think the whole guide is a lot to take on! | 22:30 |
| bsilverman | I'll work on this too until we hear from Shaun. I have about 10 days to finish one more of my book chapters and then I'll have more time, but until then I will do some bits and peices. | 22:30 |
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| darrenc | that would be fantastic, thank you | 22:31 |
| bsilverman | np | 22:31 |
| darrenc | It might be helpful if we catch up with Shaun | 22:31 |
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| darrenc | to ask questions and get clarity on anything | 22:31 |
| bsilverman | I actually have a Meetup tonight that I am speaking at. I'm covering capacity planning and chargeback | 22:31 |
| darrenc | then we can press on | 22:31 |
| bsilverman | yes | 22:32 |
| bsilverman | let's press on, I'll get all set up to work on this, and I will hopefully see Shilla on Monday. | 22:32 |
| darrenc | ok thanks | 22:32 |
| darrenc | I might ping you to ask some questions if you don't mind | 22:33 |
| bsilverman | no problem, I'll be traveling Sun-Tue this week. | 22:33 |
| darrenc | I have to head to another meeting | 22:33 |
| bsilverman | cool, I'll talk to you soon | 22:33 |
| darrenc | No worries, it was great to meet you | 22:34 |
| bsilverman | likewise | 22:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Remo Mattei proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Adding Italian Page Fixing white spaces Change-Id: I5d6bf62dfb3338912f10187ed2ff321013ad88a1 https://review.openstack.org/339139 | 23:50 |
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