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| loquacities | JRobinson__: do you have a speciality team update for me? | 03:34 |
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| loquacities | annegentle: (if you're still awake) do you have a speciality team update for me? | 03:35 |
| loquacities | gpocentek: do you have a speciality team update for me? | 03:35 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, ! I have one for you, one moment | 03:36 |
| loquacities | k, thanks :) | 03:37 |
| annegentle | loquacities: should be there already? | 03:40 |
| loquacities | annegentle: i can't see it? | 03:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | loquacities, update complete | 03:42 |
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| loquacities | thanks JRobinson__ :) | 03:42 |
| loquacities | i'm going to go ahead and assume gpocentek is asleep | 03:43 |
| loquacities | annegentle: got it now, thanks :) | 03:43 |
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| loquacities | wow, Shilla wrote a short novel for her update ... | 03:48 |
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| gpocentek | loquacities: I was, sorry | 05:15 |
| gpocentek | loquacities: I hope I'll have something new soon but so far no update on the config-ref | 05:15 |
| loquacities | no trouble | 05:15 |
| gpocentek | loquacities: I was << asleep | 05:15 |
| loquacities | i figured it was stupid o'clock in the morning for you ;0 | 05:16 |
| loquacities | ;) | 05:16 |
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| gpocentek | loquacities: I got a bit of feedback on the config-ref at the ops summit | 05:17 |
| loquacities | oh, great! | 05:17 |
| gpocentek | they'd love a single page with all the tables and all the options | 05:17 |
| loquacities | oh wow | 05:17 |
| loquacities | really? | 05:17 |
| loquacities | all the better to ctrl-f, i guess ... | 05:18 |
| gpocentek | exactly what they said | 05:18 |
| gpocentek | ctrl+f is the best | 05:18 |
| loquacities | i have noticed this myself | 05:18 |
| loquacities | hehe | 05:18 |
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| AJaeger | loquacities: please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262520/ and consider your -2 - or give guideance on what needs to be done. I think your concerns have been addressed | 13:02 |
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| dhellmann | rbradfor, gpocentek: regarding your discussion of generating documentation for config options yesterday -- I wonder if we could have the olso config generator spit out a yaml file that you could use with https://github.com/dhellmann/sphinxcontrib.datatemplates for rendering | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | one yaml file, several, whatever | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | that would keep the doc build times low, at the expense of needing to keep that data file up to date | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | but we could use a bot to propose changes as apps and libs are updated | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | for the tags or categories, we could add a feature to oslo.config for those, if we decide we need them and that namespaces by themselves aren't good enough | 15:35 |
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| rbradfor | dhellmann, gpocentek I had some thoughts on this while driving, was writing up some notes today. Will check your rendering link | 15:37 |
| AJaeger | rbradfor, gpocentek: One think to keep in mind regarding namespaces: We currently manualy ensure that the same option ends in the same namespace. If we push this into the server repositories that consistency is much harder to keep since different projects will diverge quickly | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : sounds good, and I agree a spec is definitely in order | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : I was talking about the setuptools entry point names used by the config generator | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | those are specifically mean to be used to organize the output of the sample config file, and I wonder if we can reuse them | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | if not, we can add attributes to the Opt instances in the code, but that's going to need more buy in than us 4 :-) | 15:39 |
| rbradfor | AJaeger, it's important that we have things as lossly coupled and not dependent as possible. | 15:39 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: I was talking about the classification like "logging", "common", "compute" | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : yeah, I think we're talking about different things from a technical stand point but I was hoping we could merge them | 15:40 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, AJaeger had some thoughts on this. Adding to Opt is less idea, because it requires a code change and review process to change classification. | 15:40 |
| gpocentek | dhellmann: right know the namespace are not used in the docs | 15:40 |
| gpocentek | s/know/now/ | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : is that bad because it takes time? or because someone might change it without consulting the docs team? | 15:40 |
| gpocentek | we use "categories" to organize things | 15:41 |
| AJaeger | rbradfor: what I have in mind is "log_file" (let's assume, it's coming from oslo.log and used by several repos), should end always in the "logging" section for all repositories | 15:41 |
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| dhellmann | gpocentek : right, I was asking us to consider the idea that we use entry point names to implement categories | 15:41 |
| AJaeger | in other words, I'm talking about gpocentek's "categories" | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | nova.foo can be an entry point name for foo options in nova | 15:41 |
| gpocentek | I see | 15:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: i dont really know what to do about 282378 | 15:42 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: that's an implementation detail - for me the question is how to get consistency that all projects use foo for the same optoin | 15:42 |
| rbradfor | My take is using the doc/releasenotes approach. There is some additional meta data applicable to manuals only (i.e. categories), and the result of this is a build process that can publish something (say yaml, or sufficient information) that manuals can then ingest. This removes the requirements that the manuals creation requires all source projects and the work to build them. | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : you could do that be using the directive to ask for the options from the oslo.log namespace | 15:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: that stuff is all outside of my knowledge, and somehting i'd rather not touch | 15:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i'll just abandon the patch and let it be someone else's problem | 15:42 |
| gpocentek | for some projects we have several dozens of categories | 15:42 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: there're also some options that are the same in each project without libraries I guess | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : do we have options that are the same in different projects that aren't in an oslo library? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | ah, yeah, I wasn't aware of that case | 15:42 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: State your problem as review comment. Without knowing what you're fixing, I cannot help ;) | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | gpocentek : ok, entry point names may not work, but this is why I was asking :-) | 15:43 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: oh I'm sure there could be and are. | 15:43 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: I don't know an example but assume so | 15:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: the networking-ovn gate jobs have really inconsistent names. | 15:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: i did this a few weeks ago - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270444/ | 15:44 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, AJaeger gpocentek gave me a quick intro, I'd like to work a bit more together to understand your existing workflow to see how we can better optimize the time it take to perform generation. Out of that will fall several larger design considerations I hope we can get to specs to discuss in a wider forum | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | it's unfortunate that with the existing ways to organize configuration options already, we need another. | 15:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: then this patch happend - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278101/ | 15:45 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: let me check... | 15:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: which made the kuryr job run for docs updates | 15:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | because we apparently have ZERO naming consistency for anything | 15:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i was trying to fix that | 15:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | in my original patch, doug wiegly complained that the filter was getting too long and gross... which it is | 15:45 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: show me a change that run the docs updates | 15:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | so this time around i decided to make my own | 15:45 |
| gpocentek | dhellmann: for some options sets, this organization doesn't make much sense, but for some other options it's really handy for the docs team | 15:45 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, i have yet to do a detailed categories to namespace mapping (a task needed). The goal would be to see how we can augment it for documentation purposes and achieve the same result | 15:46 |
| gpocentek | for cinder drivers for instance | 15:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281454/ | 15:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | that docs job is launching the kuryr job now | 15:46 |
| AJaeger | rbradfor: gpocentek is the expert, I'll stay out of this for now and help Sam-I-Am | 15:46 |
| rbradfor | AJaeger, it will be important we get input from you and others in docs, I'm very unfamilar with your processes and I'm sure there are edge cases we need to consider. | 15:47 |
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| dhellmann | rbradfor : +1 | 15:47 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, I had a crazy thought on the cinder drivers example, using naming standards (which in the two examples I saw, worked.) I'm sure it will breakdown however. | 15:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: ultimately i think we need to rename all the networking-ovn gate jobs to be consistent so we can have a filter that works | 15:48 |
| AJaeger | rbradfor: feel free to write up a spec and let us iterate on it. | 15:49 |
| rbradfor | AJaeger, will do | 15:49 |
| AJaeger | I doubt it will cover all cases - but it might be better than what we have ;) | 15:49 |
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| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: rename the job, extend the regex - or ignore the issue for now. Getting These optimizations with skip-if right is tricky and can break more than you expect. As your change or the rally one showed... | 15:51 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor, dhellmann : I'm not really available today, I'll have more time next week to discuss and walk you through our process | 15:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: is there any way just to have a skip-if block for networking-ovn rather than trying to expand that large filter? | 15:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | i see them for other projects | 15:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | the kuryr job includes 'install' which is why that filter is not working for it | 15:52 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, next week works for me. | 15:53 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: your regex needs to be in such a way that it *only* matches the jobs for networking-ovn | 15:53 |
| AJaeger | so, if your regex is ^gate-install-dsvm-networking-ovn-kuryr.*$, it would be fine... | 15:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: so the project: ^openstack/networking-ovn$ doesnt limit that to networking-ovn? | 15:54 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: what happens is that you a job can have only *one* such rule - and if several match, the last is taken | 15:54 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: A job can run on several projects. The project line says: If the jobs matches by the regex are run for this project... | 15:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | what happens if all the jobs have 'networking-ovn' in a place where i can put it in the filter... like ^gate-(tempest|install)-networking-ovn.*$ | 15:56 |
| AJaeger | That would work - unless you put (which is today not the case AFAIK) - such a job not only in the networking-ovn queue but perhaps also on neutron... | 15:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, this would just be networking-ovn... at least for now | 15:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | and if thats the case, could i use my own block rather than the one at line 11? | 15:59 |
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| AJaeger | yes, you could... | 16:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | abandoned my patch | 16:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | i might just add 'install' to that long filter for now and worry about the larger picture some other time | 16:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | which involves renaming the gate jobs, and i'm not really sure how to do that | 16:02 |
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| AJaeger | renaming is easy... | 16:03 |
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| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: change the occurence of install-dsvm-networking-ovn in jenkins/jobs/networking-ovn.yaml , jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml and zuul/layout.yaml | 16:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: that easy? | 16:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: can i change the name of multiple jobs at once, or prefer one per patch? | 16:05 |
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| AJaeger | You can change multiple at once, sure | 16:07 |
| AJaeger | But don't change hundreds, please ;) That means a manual rollout of changes | 16:07 |
| AJaeger | due to limitations of jjb | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll just do them all individually | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | and when it gets done, add a block for networking-ovn | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | is there a recommendation for gate job naming? | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think as long as networking-ovn is in the same place for all of them, the filter can be specific | 16:08 |
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| AJaeger | besides using dsvm - for jobs running devstack - not that I'm aware | 16:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: thinking about (tempest|install|rally)-dsvm-networking-ovn-.*{job-suffix} | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | that would catch anything on the end of -ovn like -kuryr | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | the other way is to put networking-ovn first, but the filter might not be as clean that way | 16:16 |
| AJaeger | should work | 16:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: looking at other jobs, it seems there's not much consistency | 16:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282412/ | 16:27 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: I'll review later - thanks | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | once that works, i just need to remove networking-ovn from that big filter and add 'install' | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: thanks for the help... this stuff isn't as easy for me :) | 16:27 |
| AJaeger | yeah, this is one of the trickier parts - and I'm also learning the whole time ;) | 16:28 |
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