Tuesday, 2016-01-26

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openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/training-guides: Remove unused tox environment  https://review.openstack.org/27233200:12
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openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/training-guides: Remove unused tox environment  https://review.openstack.org/27233200:28
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Rework index.html to remove mistitled links  https://review.openstack.org/26727800:29
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openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: ScaleIO new functionality  https://review.openstack.org/27199400:36
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Add OS-ENDPOINT-POLICY extension  https://review.openstack.org/26882400:38
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Fix extensions for Identity v2.0  https://review.openstack.org/26307601:08
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Add note about member and member_id attributes  https://review.openstack.org/26620801:09
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openstackgerritbruce-benjamin proposed openstack/operations-guide:     [openstack-ops] Adding instructions about setting up signed images.     Closes-Bug: #1507623  https://review.openstack.org/27234901:48
openstackbug 1507623 in openstack-manuals "[ops-guide] Signed image updates to the OpenStack Operations Guide" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1507623 - Assigned to Bruce Benjamin (bruce-benjamin)01:48
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openstackgerritJohn Joyce proposed openstack/operations-guide: Add icmpv6 as a protocol to security groups rules  https://review.openstack.org/27223901:54
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openstackgerritbruce-benjamin proposed openstack/operations-guide: Add Image Signing Instructions  https://review.openstack.org/24588602:52
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openstackgerritHa Van Tu proposed openstack/api-site: Neutron "show router" doesn't show full parameters  https://review.openstack.org/26738803:49
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openstackgerritHa Van Tu proposed openstack/api-site: Neutron "show router" doesn't show full parameters  https://review.openstack.org/26738804:03
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openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/operations-guide: Add Image Signing Instructions  https://review.openstack.org/24588604:54
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openstackgerritHa Van Tu proposed openstack/api-site: Neutron "show router" doesn't show full parameters  https://review.openstack.org/26738806:18
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openstackgerritHa Van Tu proposed openstack/api-site: Neutron "show router" doesn't show full parameters  https://review.openstack.org/26738808:22
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xiexs_hi, all.08:56
xiexs_If I want to add something into "cli-reference", which project should I contribute?08:57
AJaegeropenstack-manuals is the repository. Directory is doc/cli-reference08:57
AJaegerxiexs_: note that most of the content is auto-generated, check first few lines of a file before you modify it08:57
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xiexs_AJaeger: Thanks, Yes, i also metioned there are some words such as "This file is automatically generated, do not edit" in the nova.rst, so, i don't how to add a new command into it.09:02
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xiexs_AJaeger:sorry, s/don't/don't know/g09:03
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AJaegerxiexs_: once a new python-novaclient gets released - and only then - we run our tools to generate nova.rst again. So, no need for you to update it at all.09:10
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xiexs_AJaeger: ok, got it, thanks a lot.09:14
AJaegerthanks, xiexs_ for trying to help!09:14
njirapHi AJaeger on the same auto generation issue.. there is a new neutron linuxbridge configuration option --> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188407/4/etc/neutron/plugins/linuxbridge/linuxbridge_conf.ini@74 .. but trying to update the linuxbridge conf the new parameter doesn't show up..http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-linuxbridge_agent.html ..09:15
AJaegernjirap: that's linuxbridge_conf.ini - not sure whether we document that. better ask gpocentek09:18
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njirapok thanks AJaeger.. after that change was made a bug was created for the manuals https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1462487 ..09:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1462487 in openstack-manuals " Start linuxbridge neutron agent using a launcher" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Njira Perci (njirap)09:20
AJaegernjirap: sorry, can't help right now on this. Question is always whether this really needs documentation. The file is indeed a issue.09:24
njirapok thanks AJaeger09:24
openstackgerritMaria Zlatkova proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: ScaleIO new functionality  https://review.openstack.org/27199409:42
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openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix format for Launch instances in User Guide  https://review.openstack.org/27105010:08
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berendti want to prepare a new openstackdocstheme release, please review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269298/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269297/10:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: ScaleIO new functionality  https://review.openstack.org/27199410:19
AJaegerberendt: see my comments on 9810:20
AJaegerberendt: I let annegentle and loquacities review these10:20
berendtAJaeger: thanks10:21
berendtAJaeger: makes sense, I will abandon it10:21
AJaegerok10:22
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix format for Launch instances in User Guide  https://review.openstack.org/27105010:40
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openstackgerritBernhard M. Wiedemann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: fix typo in swauth  https://review.openstack.org/27214810:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: fix typo in swauth  https://review.openstack.org/27214811:42
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/api-site: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/27248311:45
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ha-guide: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/27248411:45
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/operations-guide: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/27248511:45
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/27248611:45
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ha-guide: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/27248411:54
openstackgerritMerged openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/27248611:54
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/27248311:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/operations-guide: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/27248511:59
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: [contributor-guide] Update the content of the guide  https://review.openstack.org/27188412:38
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openstackgerritvenkatamahesh proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [admin-guide] Fix rst mark-ups for OpenStack Compute  https://review.openstack.org/25745412:53
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/operations-guide: Add icmpv6 as a protocol to security groups rules  https://review.openstack.org/27223914:38
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Add install instructions for Aodh  https://review.openstack.org/23012314:42
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AJaegerSam-I-Am: Let'S fix incrementally if possible - Aodh is only for master, so not published...14:48
AJaegerSam-I-Am: best discuss during your team meeting14:48
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Sam-I-Amproblem is now the author is not responsible for fixing it14:50
Sam-I-Amits just fire and forget14:50
Sam-I-Amyou watch14:50
AJaegerI don't that's fair to ildikov, she did a great job and followed up on comments...14:50
Sam-I-Amsure, but there were still some issues (that i was commenting on when it was merged)14:51
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Sam-I-Amits easier when its in review to work on things than wait until its merged14:51
Sam-I-Ama lot of things get merged and are never maintained again14:51
AJaegerYes, sure - so, we need to file bugs...14:52
Sam-I-Amnow that its out of the review queue, people forget about it14:52
AJaegerI agree with that sentiment.14:52
ildikovAJaeger: hi14:52
AJaegerThis change was up since Friday, so it wasn't a quick merge either.14:52
AJaegerHi ildikov14:52
ildikovSam-I-Am: hi, I'm here and fixing the issues14:53
sgordonif people want to hold things indefinitely, mark them WIP14:53
ildikovSam-I-Am: I know that it happened that I couldn't get there immediatelly, but it's not that I'm vanished14:53
sgordonthat is what it is for14:53
Sam-I-AmAJaeger: true, but prior patches waited for me to take a look14:53
ildikovsgordon: I hoped that the first patch of the chain is not in WIP it seems I was mistaken14:54
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AJaegerSam-I-Am: she fixed the issues that you noticed in your last review, didn't she?14:54
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Sam-I-AmAJaeger: not all of them14:54
ildikovSam-I-Am: I added further comments for what I did not change14:55
Sam-I-Ami'm particularly curious about the status of aodh on ubuntu. they make packages for it, so i'm guessing its supported.14:55
Sam-I-Amwe cant put unsupported stuff in the guide, so i wanted to know the story14:55
ildikovSam-I-Am: but I just replied you on Gerrit, I'm happy to upload a follow up patch14:55
ildikovSam-I-Am: I got a comment earlier regarding cloud archive, etc. and they suggested I add this comment to the guide14:56
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ildikovSam-I-Am: I'm not following closely the packaging activity, so it needs another round to check14:57
ildikovSam-I-Am: also SUSE needs to be sorted out, so I really don't think the Aodh install chapter is fully ready and I have no intention to leave it like this14:58
Sam-I-Amildikov: ok, then thats fine. we just need to keep track of it before the mitaka release so we dont publish misleading stuff.14:58
ildikovSam-I-Am: yeah, I totally agree14:59
AJaegerSam-I-Am: and ildikov has shown that she does not commit stuff and disappear afterwards, I do trust her - and that's why  I spoke up since I considered your comment in the unqualified form as rather harsh.14:59
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ildikovAJaeger: thanks :)14:59
Sam-I-Amsorry for being a bit harsh... this stuff frustrates me given past experiences15:00
AJaegersorry, have to attend a meeting now...15:01
ildikovSam-I-Am: I know I have less responsive periods, but overall I'm around for a while and try to maintain the Ceilometer docs, I'm not an expert, but trying my best :)15:01
Sam-I-Amildikov: thanks for that... not many people pay attention to ceilometer.15:01
ildikovSam-I-Am: and I'm also available on IRC quite a lot, so if you feel it's more efficient please ping me here15:01
Sam-I-Amit has a history of not working well, so the 'happy path' is a primary concern. for example if aodh is known to work better than ceilometer alarming, then we'll just tell people to use it.15:02
Sam-I-Amildikov: sure. i didnt know you were here.15:02
ildikovSam-I-Am: yeah, I know I'm thinking about how to solve this issue15:02
ildikovSam-I-Am: no probs :)15:02
ildikovSam-I-Am: believe me it frustrates me too as I thought packages will be all available and fine by now, etc...15:03
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Sam-I-Amildikov: i installed aodh on ubuntu/liberty and it appeared to work after that bug fix. rdo packages appeared for liberty too. not sure about suse.15:04
Sam-I-Amif its replacing ceilometer-alarming, then everyone should have packages15:04
ildikovSam-I-Am: I checked last week, I haven't seen any15:04
ildikovSam-I-Am: for Liberty the Ceilometer code was still available, so it's true only for Mitaka that it's only Aodh that provides the functionality15:05
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ildikovSam-I-Am: in this sense SUSE still has some time left15:07
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Sam-I-Amildikov: do you know anyone working on the suse packages?15:08
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sgordonAJaeger, that seems a lot like something you might be able to help with ;)15:09
sgordoni can see we still have aodh in delorean for RDO which will form the basis of mitaka but it looks to the naked eye like it needs a rebase15:09
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ildikovSam-I-Am: I reached out to Thomas Bechtold a while ago and he replied that they have it in their backlog, but he does not know when they can get there15:10
ildikovSam-I-Am: I don't have further info since then15:10
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Sam-I-Amildikov: ok. we'll need to keep an eye out for those because it impacts if and how we publish the aodh stuff.15:11
ildikovSam-I-Am: sure, I can drop another mail or if you have other contacts/suggestion please let me know15:12
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ildikovSam-I-Am: unfortunately I don't have the bandwidth neither the experience to the packaging myself :(15:13
Sam-I-Amwe're not responsible for packaging, which is a good thing. but its a lot easier to manage the guide when all distros support the same projects/services.15:14
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Sam-I-Ami wish we had a better line to packagers, because most often the install guide is the primary use for them15:14
Sam-I-Amthe guide works around plenty of packaging issues15:14
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sgordonnevermind, look that aodh version is in fact mitaka15:15
sgordon*looks like15:15
Sam-I-Amsgordon: which one?15:16
ildikovsgordon: hopefully it will be in a good enough shape from installation point of view for Mitaka15:16
sgordonhttp://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7/55/17/5517b8e9aea3ded1052209384b4194d2caa97541_673a78a2/openstack-aodh-api-2.0.0.0b3-dev7.el7.centos.noarch.rpm15:16
sgordonim enquiring about that b3 suffix on rdo list though because that is wrong15:17
sgordon(i think that is just lazy logic in the build/package scripting)15:17
sgordonhttp://docs.openstack.org/releases/releases/mitaka.html15:17
sgordonshows 2.0.0.0b2 as the latest cut15:17
Sam-I-Amliberty as 1.1.015:17
Sam-I-Amhas15:17
sgordonyeah i am looking at the mitaka repo here15:17
Sam-I-Amit came in late... but at least it was there15:17
sgordonor at least, the current trunk build which will be marked mitaka once released15:18
sgordonwe have an rdo test day coming up tomorrow in theory15:18
Sam-I-Amits nice there's a way to get mitaka packages earlier now15:18
Sam-I-Amshould probably test them with the install guide15:18
sgordoni am sure all sorts of things will fall out15:18
sgordonbut it's a start15:18
ildikovI thought writing up the install guide for Aodh will be much easier than the Admin guide chapter from scratch for Ceilometer, but I was pretty much mistaken it seems :(15:20
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Sam-I-Amildikov: the install guide is more proactive than reactive, which is why its picky about what goes in and how it works15:22
ildikovSam-I-Am: yeah, it's totally understandable and I also learnt it now by experience :)15:23
Sam-I-Amfor several releases now, we've been able to say "this works for most people" rather than let people become frustrated and tell us it doesn't work.15:23
Sam-I-Amits the first thing most new users see, so making them happy with a working deployment and minimal fuss i the goal15:24
Sam-I-Amgranted people still run into problems, but not nearly as many as a few releases ago, and they're usually user error (typos and stuff)15:24
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ildikovyeah, that should really be the highest priority15:25
ildikovand thanks for all the work and reviews on my patch15:26
Sam-I-Amthanks for working on ceilometer. it doesnt get much love.15:27
openstackgerritAyush Garg proposed openstack/api-site: Remove duplicate JSON request  https://review.openstack.org/27259115:29
ildikovSam-I-Am: it could get more even from me, but I'm on it to get this together for the release time15:32
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openstackgerritAyush Garg proposed openstack/api-site: Update the URL Suffix to v2.0 from v2  https://review.openstack.org/27259415:37
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openstackgerritJ. Daniel Schmidt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: fix typo  https://review.openstack.org/27260916:00
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Sam-I-Aminstallation guide meeting in #openstack-meeting-3 if anyone's interested16:02
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AJaegerSam-I-Am: dguitarbite can help with SUSE packages - and if not, I can.16:07
* AJaeger has to leave now, sory16:07
Sam-I-AmAJaeger: cool, thx16:07
Sam-I-Ami forgot about dguitarbite16:07
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openstackgerritAyush Garg proposed openstack/api-site: Add description for Response parameters  https://review.openstack.org/27265317:04
calebbhi, im looking at the openstack-manuals repo and trying to build the stable/kilo branch with `tox -e docs` like it says in the readme, but that seems to only build the networking-guide and doesnt build all of the docs17:05
calebbdoes anyone else have that problem?17:05
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reedhow does one access previous releases? links from http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/ all  go to master17:45
reedare kilo docs still built?17:45
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reedAJaeger, dguitarbite, agentleweb ^ any idea?17:51
Sam-I-Amreed: kilo should still be built17:54
sc68calreed: which docs. I see http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/ still points to the kilo version of the install guides17:55
agentlewebreed: right, only the install and config guides are "released"17:57
reedargh17:59
reeduser guide is what I'm interested in17:59
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reedagentleweb, I didn't know that... the drop down menu on the user guide hints at a release for Kilo17:59
reedand kilo user guide doesn't build18:00
agentlewebreed: let's see, kilo would be Docbook?18:01
agentlewebreed: what does "doesn't build" mean exactly, what steps are you trying18:01
reedno, it's rst18:02
reedtox -e docs doesn't build anything but networking guide18:02
agentlewebreed: ah okay18:03
reedadding the user guide to the build-all-rst.sh highlights a failure in the build18:03
agentlewebreed: what's the error you get?18:03
reedi think it's related to sphix18:03
reedcalebb, ^18:03
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agentlewebreed: I wonder if the scripts changed and you'd need a released number for the scripts themselves?18:03
reedwe can probably sort it out, I was just surprised18:04
agentlewebreed: or, another thought, do you need to ensure pinned requirements for Sphinx version for kilo?18:04
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reedit's a little pile of mess, I was expecting that to build cleanly (since the Kilo release is linked from that drop down menu)18:05
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calebbCould not import extension os_doc_tools.sphinx.hotref (exception: No module named sphinx.hotref)18:08
calebbis the error we get when we build the user-guide docs18:08
calebbby adding it to the for loop in the build-all-rst.sh18:08
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reedhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/119123/ looks like this introduced that hotref extension18:11
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/docs-specs: Revising should to could for how API reference info is created  https://review.openstack.org/27043018:21
agentlewebcalebb: could you determine which version of openstack-doc-tools is in the requirements.txt for the stable/kilo branch?18:23
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calebbagentleweb: it is .2818:25
calebbim testing with .30 now18:25
agentlewebcalebb: ok18:25
agentlewebcalebb: my guess is that the hotref was removed -- it was a Heat template reference iirc18:25
agentlewebcalebb: Christian Berendt would know what the story is there18:26
agentlewebcalebb: he's probably off for the day, can you send this to the openstack-docs@lists.openstack.org mailing list?18:26
agentlewebcalebb: sorry for the redirect but I think we'll have to dig a little further and Christian will know18:26
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AJaegercalebb, reed: We only build on the branches those guides that we publish - and take care that those build with our tools18:34
AJaegerThe kilo user guide is not published at all, so our default build does not build it and our current tools do not support it.18:35
reedwhat do you mean by "publish"?18:35
AJaegerYou need to install older versions of the tools if you want to use the kilo version.18:35
AJaegerreed: publish to docs.openstack.org/kilo18:35
reedok... that's all very misleading18:36
reeddocs.openstack.org/kilo contains links to User Guide18:36
AJaegerCurrent guides taht are versioned are Install guide,Networking Guide and Configuration Reference18:36
AJaegerYes, and the first page of the User guide says:18:36
reedand to me that page looks broken18:36
AJaeger"This guide documents OpenStack Liberty, OpenStack Kilo, and OpenStack Juno releases."18:36
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AJaegerreed we link to the guides appropriate for that version - and the user guide does cover Kilo.18:37
reedexactly ... and looks exactly like the home page where all the documents and guides are linked18:37
AJaegeryes, correct.18:38
reedso the User Guide for horizon, kilo version... where do I find it? (for example)18:38
AJaegerreed, there's no such guide.18:38
AJaegerWe do not have a User Guide for horizon ;)18:38
reedhttp://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/dashboard.html18:39
reedwhat's that then?18:39
AJaegerreed, that's the version that covers as I cited "Liberty, Kilo, Juno"18:39
reed? do you mean that such document covers all of those versions?18:39
AJaegerYES18:39
* reed mind blows18:39
* reed speechless18:40
AJaegerreed, we're a small team and that means making good use of limited resources and doing compromises.18:40
reednice :)18:40
AJaegerreed, this is the setup since over two years18:40
AJaegerFixing bugs in *three* versions of *all* guides is just not working.18:40
reedAJaeger, and the same goes for the CLI, I guess, right?18:41
AJaegerSo, we limit version dependend guides...18:41
AJaegerthe CLI guide references the most recent version only18:41
reedhttp://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/cli.html this file, to be precise18:41
AJaegerI thought you meant: CLI Reference which is docs.openstack.org/cli-reference18:42
AJaegerreed your references is also for the three last releases18:42
AJaegerLet me link to the top http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/18:42
AJaegerit has in the abstract "This guide documents OpenStack Liberty, OpenStack Kilo, and OpenStack Juno releases."18:42
reedyeah, nobody reads on the internet :) I thought that was a typo because of the structure of the documents in the URL18:43
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AJaegerreed, ideas for better showing this are welcome - and most welcome if they come with a change ;)18:45
reedindeed18:45
AJaegerwe're used to this setup now :) But I don't mind changing it if it gives users a chance to find information quickly and allows us to work with a small team18:45
AJaegerthe networking guide started as version independend but then we noticed that covering three release is more work than backporting, so we switched modus operandi for this one a few weeks ago18:46
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reedAJaeger, now all makes more sense...18:55
reedone quick suggestion is to tag every page of the user guide with information about the release they cover18:56
reedwhen someone lands on http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/dashboard.html there is no way to guess that it covers kilo and juno18:56
reedquite the contrary indeed, since there is a dropdown menu that says Libery18:57
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reedand from that dropdown there is a link to Kilo that brings to the home page that links back to the user guide that says Liberty18:57
reedi'm filing a bug so we can discuss this more thouroughly18:58
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AJaegerreed, that's worth a bug report as suggestion - not sure how to implement this ubt we can try...19:00
AJaegerthanks19:00
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reedhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/153826619:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1538266 in openstack-manuals "Home page of stable releases contains confusing information" [Undecided,New]19:06
reedi don't know what the solution is either19:06
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openstackgerritIldiko Vancsa proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix Aodh install guide issues  https://review.openstack.org/27271019:51
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openstackgerritMichael Richardson proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Consolidate capacity planning and scaling.  https://review.openstack.org/26029820:21
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pai15Hello, can someone take a peak at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1481936 ? do we need to add lbaas v1 support?21:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1481936 in neutron "LBaaS "Configure neutron agents" docs page needs to be updated" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to P Ingle (pingle)21:39
openstackgerritMarcela Bonell proposed openstack/api-site: Fix shade reference Update the reference for the complete code sample for shade. Closes-Bug: #1537564  https://review.openstack.org/27274621:42
openstackbug 1537564 in openstack-api-site "Getting started in FirstApp - Shade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537564 - Assigned to Marcela Bonell (mbonell)21:42
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pai15Hello, is there a recommended way to document deprecated features?21:54
Sam-I-Ampai15: in what sense?21:57
pai15lbaas v1 is now deprecated21:57
Sam-I-Amthat sort of stuff usually appears in release notes21:58
pai15it is marked so in API docs, but not other places. My question is in reference to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/148193621:59
openstackLaunchpad bug 1481936 in neutron "LBaaS "Configure neutron agents" docs page needs to be updated" [Undecided,Won't fix]21:59
pai15just wanted to check what's the guideline about installation/config guide about it22:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: fix typo  https://review.openstack.org/27260922:19
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openstackgerritbruce-benjamin proposed openstack/operations-guide: Add Image Signing Instructions  https://review.openstack.org/24588622:53
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openstackgerritbruce-benjamin proposed openstack/operations-guide: Add Image Signing Instructions  https://review.openstack.org/24588623:07
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