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openstackgerritMerged openstack/project-team-guide master: Release management chapter updates  https://review.openstack.org/57543411:40
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/project-team-guide master: Clarify Code-Review 0 etiquette  https://review.openstack.org/57620711:45
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eumel8Hello, anyone living in Hailsham, UK? I need some help for a logistic problem.11:55
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rmart04I’m not a million miles from there eumel8. What kind of logistical problem12:14
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nmorelsomeone have knowledge on murano plz?12:29
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dhellmannnmorel : you should find someone from the murano team in the #openstack-murano channel13:22
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dhellmannnmorel : oops, sorry, it's just #murano13:22
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nmorelok thx13:23
nmorel!13:23
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cdentkmalloc, lbragstad : either of you around? I've got two keystonemiddleware queries: a) what's the smallest set of config settings required for it to be used, b) would you be interested in a patch that allows those to be set from the environment? (a glance suggests this is not yet possible)18:30
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kmalloccdent: here18:31
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lbragstadcdent: o/18:32
kmalloccdent: what do you mean from the environment? like from the bash ENV?18:32
cdentyeah18:32
lbragstadhmm18:32
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cdentsay I have a container with the placement service in it18:32
cdenti don't want a config file18:32
kmalloccdent: hm, i thought oslo config allowed it.18:32
lbragstadas opposed to using a configuration file?18:32
kmallocbut sure, i'm fine with loading from ENV vars.18:32
lbragstadcdent: just curious, why don't you want a configuration file?18:33
kmalloclbragstad: containers, easier to say "VARS for execute, go do X"18:33
cdentbecause I don't want any configuration at all associated with the container: immutability etc18:33
lbragstadmmm18:33
kmalloclbragstad: avoids needing to populate the data on disk into the container.18:33
kmalloccdent: so, i'm 100% a-ok with passing data from environment into oslo-config object18:34
kmallocbut. the "minimum number of options to work" is a tougher nut to define18:34
cdenti have it relatively close already but there are a few bits left, including configuration the middleware18:34
cdentkmalloc: heh, I figured as much :)18:34
kmallocmy inclination is to say "support the options KSM exposes [non-deprecated]"18:34
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kmallocand i'll happily take a patch that can load that data in [as long as it is clear what happens if config file is loaded as well as env vars supplied]18:35
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kmallocthough, in theory, you should be able to populate the data into oslo.config from placement, right? if you can get the options set in the object ksm reads from, ksm needs no changes (i know, not as clean as ksm loading it in directly)18:36
cdentkmalloc: that's an unfortunate aspect of it. Since the support is (apparently) not built into oslo_config, the easy way to make it happen is for the default=os.environ.get('BLAH')18:37
cdentwhen establishing the opts18:37
kmallociirc we used to/still handle options from paste-ini which is effectively passing in options directly18:37
kmalloclet me check18:37
kmallocoptions from env*18:37
cdentso many ways! :)18:37
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cdentwith the default= mode of doing things, the file overrides the env, which is backwards from what people would expect18:38
* cdent pages dhellmann 18:38
kmallocright, i am only concerned we make it clear what the preferred order of things is :)18:38
kmallocand what happens.18:38
* cdent nods18:38
kmalloci don't care what order we go with ^_^18:38
kmalloc(imo ENV > config... or error "NO SETTING BOTH")18:39
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* cdent nods18:40
cdentI guess if one did post config loading manipulation, that might work better. I will continue thinking. Thanks for the input kmalloc, lbragstad18:41
kmallocso, it's weird if you load in via paste_config, filter_factory or "app_factory" you should be able to pass the options in directly18:43
kmallochttps://github.com/openstack/keystonemiddleware/blob/master/keystonemiddleware/auth_token/__init__.py#L982-L99518:43
* cdent nods18:44
cdentI think I wrote some of that rather hairy code, with silehy18:44
cdentsileht18:44
kmallocnow, that doesn't "solve" your problem, but it lets you take anything in and pass it through18:44
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kmalloci think it would be much more elegant to support ENV lookup (keystone does some of this)18:44
kmallocin ksm18:44
kmallockeystone-server does some of it*18:44
cdentI'm going to send some "get the lay of the land email" to see what ideas the wide world has. It would be painful to have multiple ways of making happen floating around...18:45
kmallocand in theory, you can just lean on the already existing paste-overrides code in AuthProtocol to conver to expected typs from env18:45
kmallocFTR: Keystone-Server does it in wonky ways.18:45
kmallocyou probably don't want to replicate our thing exactly18:45
cdentunpossible18:46
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dhellmanncdent , kmalloc : I don't think we would object to being able to set configuration options from environment variables, but some options would get tricky19:01
dhellmannsome are lists, or dicts, or all kinds of weird things19:02
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cdentdhellmann: indeed. it is tricky19:02
dhellmannbnemec : ^^19:02
cdentone could, I suppose as a first pass, just allow it for StrOpts19:02
dhellmannthe driver stuff we're working on may be an interesting way to achieve that, although you would have to explicitly turn it on19:02
dhellmannhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/oslo-config-drivers+(status:open+OR+status:merged)19:03
dhellmannhaving options inside of groups also makes that problemmatic19:03
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: add champion section to goal template  https://review.openstack.org/57593419:03
dhellmannI think the way the tripleo folks were going to do it was using a kubernetes feature that let you pass configuration data into the container and have it treated like a file19:04
bnemecI have a vague recollection of a discussion long ago about making env var lookup automatic so you didn't have to do default=os.environ...19:06
dhellmanncdent : the spec we're working from for the drivers is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454897/719:06
cdenti've sent the email19:06
* cdent looks19:06
dhellmannyeah, it seems like it comes up periodically19:06
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cdentthis seems like something you'd want independent of config.source19:07
cdentthat is, no matter what the source, after you've sourced it, do env overrides19:08
cdentIn my email I linked to one of the bug reports that tangentially mention it19:08
cdentfrom 201319:08
dhellmannwell, configuration options don't know where they come from19:08
dhellmannthe alternative to using a driver would be to make ConfigOpts do that work itself19:09
dhellmannand that's the reason we chose to do a driver19:09
dhellmannnow we could make that source enabled automatically or something19:09
cdentoh, like a layering of sources?19:09
dhellmannyeah19:09
dhellmannthat's how the drivers work19:09
dhellmannthe files are first, and then the sources in order19:09
cdentthat makes sense. I was kinda thining there was "phase read the sources" and then some phase after that was "cook them" and env handling would cook them19:10
cdentbut as a source layer (the next to last one) makes good sense19:10
cdentaccording to this bug command line specific overrides should win over env: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+bug/119636819:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1196368 in oslo-incubator "oslo.config reads options in a confusing and counter-intuitive order" [High,Fix released]19:10
dhellmanncooking happens during lookup but we don't read all of the external sources (the api does 1 value lookup at a time)19:11
dhellmannoh, right, command line options are already processed first19:11
dhellmannwe could have the environment lookup act like a driver, but just have it added to the list of sources automatically19:12
dhellmannthat way we wouldn't have another special case to deal with19:12
dhellmannor at least we'd minimize its specialness to the setup19:12
bnemec^is what I was thinking too19:12
dhellmannI guess confd isn't really a thing any more?19:13
dhellmanncdent : aha! we were looking at configmap19:13
dhellmannwhich I guess only works for kubernetes and not docker19:14
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cdentwell it sounds like option 3, by the numbering from my email, is a real option, so that's cool. Is there code already in progress on that spec?19:16
dhellmannthat just hit my inbox, so I'm reading it now19:17
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cdent3 is "do it in oslo_config"19:18
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kmalloccdent: so, keep in mind KSM does some magic work (casting) to handle str-only->real-type options19:37
kmalloccdent: feel free to steal the paste_overrides bit in AuthProtocol if it's being lifted up into oslo.config :)19:37
* cdent nods19:37
kmallocand if that lands in oslo.config (in a way we can keep using it) we totally will move over to that19:38
kmallocto support the "paste" form19:38
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cdent19:39
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