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| zhipeng | diablo_rojo ping | 00:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | zhipeng, hello :) | 00:08 |
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| zhipeng | morning from China :) | 00:10 |
| diablo_rojo | zhipeng, already onto Tuesday? I just got back to the US from those timezones so it feels like Tuesday for me too. | 00:11 |
| zhipeng | haha yes | 00:11 |
| diablo_rojo | dims, you still around? | 00:11 |
| diablo_rojo | zhipeng, its a shame you couldn't make it to the summit. I think we had a pretty productive chat in the session you submitted. | 00:12 |
| dims | pong diablo_rojo | 00:12 |
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| dims | hi zhipeng | 00:12 |
| zhipeng | that is great to hear :) | 00:12 |
| zhipeng | hey dims | 00:12 |
| * diablo_rojo goes to look for the etherpad :) | 00:12 | |
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| diablo_rojo | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-first-contact-SIG | 00:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | zhipeng, I just subscribed to the sig ml but I saw that you had a post there about starting to form a first contact sig? | 00:15 |
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| zhipeng | ya that was the discussion before the summit | 00:18 |
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| zhipeng | it was triggered a heated debate on padding/small patches | 00:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I remember that thread. Quite lengthy. | 00:19 |
| zhipeng | and later on based upon the suggestion from Doug, ildoko and others | 00:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Its definitely a good idea. | 00:19 |
| zhipeng | the idea of starting a FC SIG was formed | 00:19 |
| zhipeng | SO what is the overall takeaway from Sydney ? | 00:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Am I safe to assume you want to help lead it? | 00:20 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically we have a bunch of separate efforts going on to make thigns better for new contributors and a lot of them are being run/worked on/ organized by me so I would love to help :) | 00:21 |
| zhipeng | well I suggested at the beginning of the discussion that I would like to help, but might be difficult to lead it | 00:21 |
| zhipeng | my thinking was that most of the heavy lifting should be done at the local level | 00:21 |
| diablo_rojo | We had kind of talked about having a few different chairs- one more ops side and one or two more dev side. | 00:21 |
| zhipeng | to give you an example | 00:22 |
| zhipeng | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cyborg/FirstContact | 00:22 |
| zhipeng | this is what I have done for the project I lead | 00:22 |
| diablo_rojo | zhipeng, yeah that makes sense. I think a large part of the discussion was to discover all the efforts going on and unify/ promote them. | 00:22 |
| * diablo_rojo goes to look | 00:22 | |
| zhipeng | so far I have successfully converted one potential padding dev to a active contributing dev | 00:23 |
| zhipeng | I think on project level, this could be implemented rather easily for local devs | 00:23 |
| zhipeng | and at the community level, the FC SIG, should it be established, would be an aggregation site | 00:24 |
| zhipeng | like craigslist | 00:24 |
| zhipeng | people posting help or suspecious padding activity there | 00:24 |
| diablo_rojo | That makes sense. | 00:24 |
| zhipeng | and we have several SIG volunteers that could be the point people | 00:24 |
| zhipeng | to contact the local leads | 00:25 |
| zhipeng | i don't think we need this SIG to be very formal and have regular meetings and stuff like that | 00:25 |
| diablo_rojo | zhipeng, agreed. I think having a list of people that can be contacted/ are looking for new comers is a good way to go. | 00:25 |
| zhipeng | and may I suggest, also a site | 00:25 |
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| zhipeng | like a storyboard | 00:25 |
| diablo_rojo | And then having all the resources in one place is good. | 00:26 |
| zhipeng | that people could asyncly posting request there | 00:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I agree we don't really need formal meetings. | 00:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think we are going to try to start directing more people to this channel. So having people here to cover all the timezones is important. | 00:26 |
| zhipeng | yes, but i think timezone is only part of the problem, you also have to take into consider the available time each people have for their own schedule | 00:27 |
| zhipeng | so irc soemtimes could be frustrating even if the timezone is right | 00:28 |
| zhipeng | in China we utilize Wechat | 00:28 |
| zhipeng | Wechat groups to be more specific | 00:28 |
| zhipeng | I think for different regions they could also try the locally popular IM tools | 00:28 |
| diablo_rojo | zhipeng, right, that was actually another similar discussion at the forum- how to make part time contribution easier | 00:28 |
| diablo_rojo | I think that would be info we can include on the conglomeration of info page. | 00:29 |
| zhipeng | ya, that means the core devs of a certain project needs to provide a more reachable way for people to connect | 00:29 |
| zhipeng | local way | 00:29 |
| zhipeng | that also means sacrifices for personal time, but i guess that is the tradeoff | 00:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Does Cyborg not use IRC at all? | 00:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Just out of curiosity. | 00:30 |
| zhipeng | we use it for our weekly meeting and logging for sure | 00:30 |
| zhipeng | i use wechat group for China dev discussion | 00:30 |
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| zhipeng | it is more easily in our nature tongue | 00:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Makes sense :) Any integration between wechat and your irc channel? | 00:31 |
| zhipeng | nuh :P | 00:31 |
| zhipeng | so it is very time consuming for sure | 00:31 |
| zhipeng | but like i said | 00:31 |
| zhipeng | i think this is what a core member sign up for | 00:31 |
| zhipeng | not only tech development but also community building | 00:31 |
| fraz | Hi clarkb | 00:32 |
| fraz | are u still there | 00:32 |
| diablo_rojo | zhipeng, the community is very important that's for sure :) | 00:32 |
| zhipeng | so I think my suggestion would be (1) to create a wiki page for info posting (2) create a storyboard for help/problem reporting (3) form the SIG officially if desired | 00:35 |
| zhipeng | on the wiki page we should list local leads, that would be the most efficient go to people we could find | 00:35 |
| diablo_rojo | What sorts of problems do you see being reported in the storyboard instance? | 00:35 |
| zhipeng | for example suspicious padding activities | 00:36 |
| diablo_rojo | OH | 00:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Got it | 00:36 |
| zhipeng | for you know, any help wanted kinda thing | 00:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay | 00:36 |
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| zhipeng | all could be done via a bug report or issue | 00:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Got it got it :) I'm a little slow on the pickup today. | 00:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that makes sense. | 00:37 |
| diablo_rojo | I can start pushing some of these things forward. Do you want to be just a point of contact or are you interested in also being a chair? | 00:38 |
| clarkb | fraz: sort of, had to step out to run some errands | 00:41 |
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| zhipeng | diablo_rojo I think point of contact should be like local leads per region (if we could identify), and chairs I think we could just reuse the upstream institute folks | 00:42 |
| zhipeng | I could help a long with the discussions at the side, that should be enough :) | 00:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good :) zhipeng thanks for the chat! | 00:43 |
| zhipeng | no problem :) | 00:43 |
| zhipeng | let me know if you need anything else | 00:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Will do. I will keep you updated and probably send things out to the dev/ sig lists as things get rolling a bit more as well. | 00:44 |
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| zhipeng | diablo_rojo cool :) | 00:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Remove releasenotes/requirements.txt https://review.openstack.org/521398 | 10:09 |
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| Guest39076 | Hello, I followed the Readme in https://github.com/openstack/python-ceilometerclient to this chat. There it is mentioned that the python-ceilometerclient project is no longer maintained. This note is missing what will be the functional replacement. Will it be integrated in the openstack python client, or is it simply restructured with a new name somewhere else? Can anyone here comment on this, and give some context to "this | 15:08 |
| ttx | gordc: ^ ? | 15:08 |
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| Guest39076 | If you follow the link to the github page of the python-ceilomerclient, there is a readme shown to you with the following content: "This project is no longer maintained. The contents of this repository are still available in the Git source code management system. To see the contents of this repository before it reached its end of life, please check out the previous commit with "git checkout HEAD^1". | 15:10 |
| Guest39076 | For any further questions, please email openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org or join #openstack-dev on Freenode. | 15:10 |
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| gordc | Guest39076: ceilometerclient was used historically to query the database solutions ceilometer provided. the db storage has been deprecated/removed from ceilometer for a few years so ceilometerclient effectively has nothing to query | 15:10 |
| gordc | storage for original ceiloemter data is spread across Gnocchi, Aodh, and Panko (depending on what type of data you need) | 15:11 |
| gordc | you can use the clients for those services now. | 15:11 |
| Guest39076 | I am currently running a Newton environment, and already using gnocchi and the ceilometerclient. So I will need to focus on panko for what I need to do. | 15:13 |
| gordc | if you want events, then yes. | 15:14 |
| Guest39076 | Thank you very much for pointing this out. This is reasonable and already known. I just did not know about the ceilometerclient to disappear after Pike, and this little piece of (important) information was missing in the readme not at the ceilometerclient homepage. | 15:14 |
| gordc | yeah. a lot of the ceilometer storage docs (and telemetry docs in general) are not great. we just don't have resources. | 15:15 |
| Guest39076 | Yes. I am maintaining an application that calculates the sum of uptime, downtime and basically existance hours for each instance (or all instances of a certain flavor), based on the ceilometer events.. | 15:16 |
| gordc | Guest39076: cool cool. that seems like the use case i hear the most. | 15:17 |
| gordc | i should probably tell you that Panko has by far the least amount of resource on it so if it's critical to your use case, you might want to put a resource on it. | 15:18 |
| Guest39076 | Yes. Should be a base functionality ;-) ... but it is more about data aggregation, linkage and interpretation, and goes a bit beyond the original purpose of the telemetry projects. | 15:19 |
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| Guest39076 | Thank you for the information about Panko. I did not use Panko yet, but will definitely have a look. It is not automaticyll part of the dist that I am using with Newton, but still ceilometer (what lead me on my quest around the ceilometer python client) | 15:20 |
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| gordc | Panko is just the event storage/api code moved from ceilometer. i don't believe anything has been added/changed | 15:21 |
| Guest39076 | I suppose at least the naming and api calls have slightly changed, so I need to adjust the calls in my own code, as the ceilometer functions will not work anymore. Btw... does anyone know why gnocchi was created as an own new time series data service, and not something reused like influx DB? (I know about the difference as gnocchi can use ceph, and influx basically a db). | 15:24 |
| Guest39076 | At first it looked a bit redundant and like reinventing the wheel. | 15:24 |
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| Guest39076 | Anyway... maybe I can showup at the next openstack summit, and have a chat with the telemetry folks there. Thank you very much for helping me out with some background about this confusing note (which was simply missing the reference to panko/gnocchi/aodh). | 15:25 |
| gordc | Guest39076: i'll try to keep this short: gnocchi built alongside influx... originally the founder of influx attended our meetups | 15:25 |
| gordc | while we built gnocchi, we hit a lot of breaking bugs in influx (you can probably google) | 15:26 |
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| gordc | and yeah, i imagine you could create a influxdb driver still (there were various attempts)... it's just that as we built gnocchi, the solution got good enough for the workflow of certain users | 15:27 |
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| Guest39076 | Did not know about this detail. Thank you! Makes more sense now. tbh I really like the idea of using an object storage backend more than using a db, because of scaling on the long run, if you need to keep certain data for reaaaaally long time. | 15:27 |
| gordc | Guest39076: depends if we have budget to attend summits :( | 15:27 |
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| gordc | Guest39076: :) feel free to provide feedback if you see something wrong in gnocchi | 15:29 |
| Guest39076 | I had to miss the last few because of that, but maybe I can make it to the next. We'll see how things turn out. | 15:29 |
| gordc | good luck | 15:29 |
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| pecabum | hey, can someone connect me , i have qq for the ceilometer? | 15:29 |
| Guest39076 | I will provide feedback and maybe create some docs about my usecase. I think it is quiet generic and has reuse potential. | 15:30 |
| gordc | Guest39076: sounds great! | 15:30 |
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| gordc | pecabum: go for it. ( i might need to step out in a bit so you can also ask on #openstack-telemetry) | 15:31 |
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| pecabum | gordc: i have asked the question in #openstack | 15:47 |
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| gordc | lol just read openstack history. seems like a fun place. | 15:51 |
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| gordc | pecabum: i suggest you ask in openstack-telemetry. i won't comment on the advice your getting over there. | 15:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Update policy artifacts for telemetry/panko https://review.openstack.org/523452 | 16:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Rename shade team to OpenStackSDK https://review.openstack.org/523520 | 20:02 |
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| cmurphy | zaneb: mordred and anyone else with a stake in this we have a reproposal for application credentials here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512505, feedback welcome | 22:00 |
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| zaneb | cmurphy: thanks, will check it out | 22:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Port wiki bugs pages (1 of ?) https://review.openstack.org/523551 | 22:38 |
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