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| c06 | how to debug openstack services at runtime. i tried pdb but its not getting hit. any suggestions | 06:32 |
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| giuseppe1992 | Hello!! :-) | 09:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Add "Doc owners" to top-5 wanted list https://review.openstack.org/469115 | 09:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Update Design Summit -> Forum + PTG https://review.openstack.org/469106 | 09:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Relax rules around independent library releases https://review.openstack.org/469109 | 09:42 |
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| nps | Hello, Any one in room who can guide me with placement api? | 11:23 |
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| nps | i have some questions related to Resource provider in openstack | 11:26 |
| cdent | nps I may be able to help, what's up? | 11:30 |
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| nps | Thanks cdent, I am planning to add new resource class. When next VM launch request comes, scheduler should query for this class. | 11:35 |
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| cdent | nps: at the moment, it's possible to add a custom resource class and then set inventory for that class of resource on a provider but there's currently no way to get the nova-scheduler to automatically express that resource class | 11:38 |
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| nps | ok, so should i use existing rest api to register and manipulate new resource class? Also, i am not able to find exact point to start with in source code. | 11:41 |
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| cdent | nps: what are you looking for in the code? | 11:42 |
| cdent | and are you working from master or an earlier release? | 11:43 |
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| nps | cdent: i am working on master and newbie in nova. I was thinking to write a client module where i can register new RC. | 11:45 |
| cdent | creating a custom resource class is a matter of PUT /resource_classes/CUSTOM_WHATEVER | 11:46 |
| cdent | there's some pending documents for resource classes at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467596/ | 11:47 |
| cdent | nps do you know about microversions? | 11:47 |
| nps | cdent: sorry, i dont know. | 11:48 |
| cdent | a good starting point for the placement code is here: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/placement/handler.py#L51 | 11:48 |
| cdent | microversions are a way for controlling which features you get when talking to an api. in the placement api different feartures show up up at different versions | 11:48 |
| cdent | there's some information about microversions here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/microversion_specification.html | 11:49 |
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| nps | yes i was looking at same file, do we have create RC in existing source where we create RC? | 11:50 |
| nps | wdent: thanks for links, will check them. | 11:50 |
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| cdent | I'm not sure I'm understanding your question? | 11:51 |
| nps | *do we have sample code to create RC in current code? | 11:51 |
| * cdent looks for some | 11:52 | |
| cdent | nps: there's some code in the nova resource tracker for creating resource classes https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/client/report.py#L738 | 11:56 |
| cdent | the very basic request is PUT /resource_classes/<the name> | 11:56 |
| nps | this will help | 11:56 |
| cdent | the original spec for custom resource classes is at: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/ocata/implemented/custom-resource-classes.html | 11:57 |
| nps | As per my understanding:- We can create new inventory , and add RC to this inventory. Now each compute can update this inventory. Right? | 11:58 |
| cdent | you can create a resource provider, and then that resource provider can have one or more inventories, each of which has a resource class. then allocations can be made against that inventory | 12:00 |
| cdent | there's not yet tooling for all that stuff | 12:00 |
| cdent | but that's the long term plan | 12:00 |
| nps | ohh i see. | 12:01 |
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| cdent | nps: you can see some of the flow for how this works, in terms of just the api, in the test files: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/functional/api/openstack/placement/gabbits/allocations.yaml | 12:03 |
| nps | Is it targeted for Pike release? can we perform above mentioned set of tasks post pike release? | 12:03 |
| cdent | custom resource classes are already available, but the target for functionality to be able to use them in boot requests is unclear | 12:05 |
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| nps | ok, so In pike release scheduler will place new vm based on nova-placement's response, so here we are going to check existing RC? like MEMORY_MB,DISK_GB etc.. please correct me here | 12:10 |
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| cdent | that's right | 12:10 |
| nps | ok | 12:11 |
| nps | AFAIK, DISK_GB represents local gb of compute nodes, so volume backend based VMs wont be work in pike? | 12:13 |
| cdent | DISK_GB is any kind of disk. getting shared disk working is in progress at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461574/ | 12:16 |
| cdent | a compute node is a resource provider that has cpu, disk and ram. there can be resource providers which are shared disk that just have disk | 12:17 |
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| nps | ok so we can add new resource provider that has separate disks, but would it be possible to consume it pike? | 12:24 |
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| cdent | it depends on whether or not the code in the reviews just linked merges in this cycle | 12:25 |
| cdent | nps, I need to go to an appointment, if you've got more questions if you post to the openstack-dev mailing list | 12:25 |
| cdent | then there will be lots of potential people to answer | 12:26 |
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| nps | thanks a lot for help | 12:27 |
| cdent | good luck with your explorations. if you read a lot of that stuff I linked, it will clear up some of your questions but of course lead to more but over time it will all start making sense | 12:28 |
| cdent | biab | 12:28 |
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| Anticimex | https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-database-hurt-your-startup-curtis-poe felt relevant to here | 13:03 |
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| Anticimex | (on topic database / data quality) | 13:06 |
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| amrith | would love to get input from others in the community on a ML question http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117704.html | 13:59 |
| smcginnis | amrith: I think those schema changes should be safe as it's not changing the type of the field, just the value given for the default. | 14:01 |
| amrith | smcginnis then how would I upgrade a system which already has that schema? | 14:01 |
| amrith | would the system work? | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | amrith: Which from my understanding, giving a 0 as a value for a boolean field just would result in false anyway. | 14:01 |
| amrith | smcginnis if that is the case, this change is a no-op? | 14:02 |
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| smcginnis | amrith: From teh schema files I looked at there, it's not actually changing the schema, just being more explicit about the value provided. | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | amrith: So I do think it's a noop | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | amrith: But still looking through the patch. ;) | 14:02 |
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| amrith | not more explicit, changing the value of the default | 14:02 |
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| amrith | I have a system with Ocata and another with Pike (after this change merged). Both have schema v38 (or the current) | 14:03 |
| amrith | what's the default for the columns? 0 or False? | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | amrith: Well, more explicit in that it is explicitly stating false, rather than stating "you only know true/false but I'm going to tell you 0 and assume you think that means false". | 14:03 |
| amrith | isn't that the point of v38 or some such version, that the entire schema and everything to reconstruct the database is identical? | 14:03 |
| amrith | how would I upgrade an old v38 schema to get to this new world order? | 14:04 |
| amrith | and what constitutes the "ok to change the schema" and "not ok to change the schema" | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | amrith: I may be wrong, but I don't think there's any resulting schema change. They would already be identical. | 14:04 |
| amrith | and by the way, hi smcginnis :) | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | amrith: o/ :) | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | amrith: I'll leave it to someone with more sqlalchemy experience, but that's my understanding from past DB work I've done. | 14:05 |
| amrith | i'm trying to launch a postgres verison and actually try it out. | 14:05 |
| amrith | I'd prefer this change be proposed as a new version of the schema, that way we are guaranteed upgrade safe. | 14:06 |
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| jroll | amrith: my understanding is that the 'default' argument in the Column() call is a python-side default, and is not injected into the schema | 14:09 |
| amrith | but, lets see what others suggest. | 14:09 |
| amrith | hi jroll | 14:09 |
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| jroll | I'm not 100% sure, might be worth pinging zzzeek_ directly | 14:09 |
| amrith | jroll ... no, it gets pushed down as a constraint to the DB | 14:09 |
| jroll | hi :) | 14:09 |
| jroll | hrm | 14:10 |
| jroll | I'm reading http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/core/defaults.html and it's difficult to tell | 14:10 |
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| jroll | certainly this is not a DB constraint: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/core/defaults.html#python-executed-functions | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | Yes, it's set as part of the table schema. But again, the column is boolean, so it's only true/false already anyway. | 14:11 |
| jroll | ah yes, 'server_default' goes to the schema http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/core/defaults.html#server-side-defaults | 14:11 |
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| amrith | jroll yes, it doesn't make it into the schema | 14:13 |
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| jroll | so I think this patch is fine wrt the schema | 14:14 |
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| jroll | I'm not sure the migrations even need to change, it's just the queries using 0/1 that are the problem, because sqlalchemy/psycopg2 isn't converting them properly | 14:15 |
| zzzeek_ | amrith / jroll : poor terminology from 12 years ago but "default" does not affect the schema of the DB, "server_default" does | 14:20 |
| zzzeek_ | "default" usually refers to "Python-side default", but even that is not accurate b.c. it can be a SQL expression which is executed on the DB side, however is nonetheless not part of the table schema | 14:21 |
| amrith | thx zzzeek_ | 14:21 |
| jroll | yep, makes sense, thanks | 14:21 |
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| toabctl | amrith, I tried with mariadb and postgres. in the mariadb case, the schema does not change. see http://paste.openstack.org/show/611108/ | 14:56 |
| toabctl | postgres does not work so nothing to compare | 14:56 |
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| amrith | thanks toabctl | 14:58 |
| amrith | I verified mysql and the same thing; nothing makes it to the database. | 14:58 |
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| amrith | and going on jroll's expert advice I'm not going to bother testing with postgresql :) | 14:58 |
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| cdent | fungi: characterizing open exploration of ideas as "going into the weeds" seems a bit uncharitable. who knows what wondrous things are in those weeds? | 15:28 |
| fungi | cdent: asserting that the qa team has rejected inclusion of some trademark tests and then starting to draw conclusions based on that is going off into the weeds at least until they actually confirm or deny it | 15:29 |
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| mugsie | fungi: they did | 15:30 |
| mugsie | I was in the room | 15:30 |
| fungi | or until someone provides a CITATION where additional context is available | 15:30 |
| mugsie | we were talking about the new trademark programs | 15:30 |
| cdent | fungi: apart from that: you characterized the thread, not that single point. I'm convinced that we have too few wandering conversations so extra care needs to be taken to not truncate them too early | 15:31 |
| fungi | i said "subthread" for what that's worth. i mean the discussion about the qa team rejecting new trademark enforcement tests | 15:31 |
| fungi | what i quoted and responded to was that and _only_ that | 15:32 |
| cdent | perhaps I misinterpreted then: I had the impression you were characterizing things since $SUBJECT changed | 15:32 |
| cdent | which is how I would define a "subthread" | 15:32 |
| fungi | ah, no perhaps i should have re-edited teh subject line again | 15:32 |
| cdent | in any case, no big deal, I just would hate to see people give up on talking about this stuff | 15:33 |
| fungi | i'll brave the netiquette faux pas of self-reply and clarify. thanks | 15:33 |
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| cdent | given the other regular and daily netiquette violations, I think your faux pas will be looked on with grace | 15:36 |
| mugsie | fungi: not really sure how I can give a citation for a verbal discussion in a fishbowl room, but sure. | 15:38 |
| fungi | mugsie: because all those forum sessions are supposed to transfer to the ml before actual decisions are made | 15:38 |
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| mugsie | sure - they are supposed to, but only some do | 15:39 |
| fungi | i wouldn't consider a verbal discussion at the forum a binding decision as not all (or even a representative sample usually) of the stakeholders can be present there | 15:39 |
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| mugsie | it is pretty close to the party line about including more tests in tempest, and it was not first time it has been hinted at. | 15:40 |
| mugsie | if someone from QA can say (with some level of certainty) that new add-on programs will be allowed in tree, I would personally be delighted | 15:41 |
| cdent | (part of the reason for changing the subject was to add the [qa] to draw some from that world) | 15:41 |
| mugsie | but I am not holding my breath | 15:41 |
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| fungi | well, mtreinish is in apac timezones for the next few weeks, sdague is afk and much of the rest of the qa team are in apac and emea timezones so getting a response may still take some time | 15:47 |
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| thingee | Looking at our python 3.5+ goal for pike, it mentions we have mostly all projects with unit test voting jobs now https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html | 19:40 |
| thingee | does anyone know if these are actually passing, or something that will tell me at a glance of all projects with this job? | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | thingee: graphite.openstack.org can probably tell you | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | but you'll have to construct a query | 19:41 |
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| thingee | clarkb: http://graphite.openstack.org/content/html/searchHelp.html :P | 19:55 |
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| thingee | yeah I don't know what I'm doing here. | 19:57 |
| clarkb | https://graphite.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 19:58 |
| fungi | any time i need to do complex things with graphite, it turns into a half-day rabbit hole through the query docs | 19:58 |
| clarkb | you should be able to generate queries that check for gate-$project-python35 runs and also query if they ever pass and at what percentage they pass | 19:58 |
| clarkb | but yes requires digging through the api | 19:59 |
| fungi | but the limited amount of structure around the data necessitates translating complexity into the query syntax | 19:59 |
| fungi | so i understand _why_ it's complex at least | 19:59 |
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| thingee | clarkb, fungi something like https://www.dropbox.com/s/8uk55lxuieests0/Screen%20Shot%202017-05-31%20at%201.18.54%20PM.png | 20:22 |
| clarkb | thingee: ya and you could break it down per project and also get results back in json if you just want to get numbers | 20:23 |
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| thingee | clarkb: mostly interested if we can safely move forward with functional tests for queens goal | 20:24 |
| fungi | right, i frequently use the json report option to just feed data into whatever graphing mechanism i like later | 20:24 |
| thingee | just a glance at this, I'm guessing sure | 20:24 |
| thingee | is there somewhere to generate the url if I just used the composer? I don't see anything obvious | 20:25 |
| clarkb | I want to say there is an export option under a menu somewhere | 20:26 |
| clarkb | I typically use the api directly so not sure | 20:26 |
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| fungi | thingee: what i do, there's probably a better way, is right-click, show image and then copy the resulting url | 20:33 |
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| fungi | i tend to further edit the url from that point and change the report type on it to json if needed as well | 20:34 |
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| thingee | fungi: yes thank you! | 20:34 |
| fungi | you can do things there like tweak the image dimensions and color choices as well | 20:35 |
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| fungi | it's a good getting started solution allowing you to skip reading enough of the query docs to figure out how to build the entire query by hand | 20:36 |
| fungi | show image on the graphs at http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ provide some useful examples too | 20:37 |
| fungi | examples of query urls i mean | 20:37 |
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| thingee | diablo_rojo: it was mentioned in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-Queens-Goals about migrating to storyboard being a goal | 20:43 |
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| thingee | diablo_rojo: I'm not sure where we are to consider the discussion to bring up to the TC | 20:44 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | It would be great to push for, but I'm not sure it's a reasonable goal. Sounded like it might be better to wait for Rocky. | 20:44 |
| thingee | mriedem: do you want to kick off the discussion for oslo.policy like I've done with the other potential goals? | 20:44 |
| thingee | diablo_rojo_phon: ok, I'll strike it out for this round | 20:45 |
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| mriedem | thingee: kick off where? | 20:45 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee, sounds good | 20:45 |
| thingee | mriedem: the list. part of the process for these goals is to have a discussion on the list for people who couldn't be part of the forum session. The discussion will aid the TC in making final decisions on community wide goals | 20:46 |
| thingee | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html | 20:46 |
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| thingee | my notes show " mriedem will own this, I guess" | 20:47 |
| mriedem | thingee: which mailing list? the TC mailing list? | 20:47 |
| mriedem | there are 20 lists | 20:47 |
| thingee | dev list with [tc] in subject | 20:47 |
| mriedem | maybe i wouldn't start that thread | 20:47 |
| thingee | you can use one these emails I did as an example http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117747.html | 20:48 |
| thingee | mriedem: ok, I don't have enough context to get the discussion going. | 20:48 |
| mriedem | ok ack | 20:48 |
| mriedem | "policy in code like this [1] and document it like this [2] - ok?! break!" | 20:48 |
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| thingee | and all the +1's can be yours! | 20:49 |
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| mriedem | ok on my todo list, i'll probably require some prodding if i forget | 20:52 |
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| thingee | *spark spark* | 20:52 |
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