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| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/governance master: Add yaql under murano team to allow yaql use releases https://review.openstack.org/439983 | 04:26 |
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| sreenath | Hi Guys, does anyone know - how we can enable Swift service in an existing Devstack environment? | 06:31 |
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| odyssey4me | shardy flaper87 EmilienM andymccr inc0 v1k0d3n I've moved content from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-pike-deployment-projects-collab into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/deployment-pike and added some meat to it | 10:40 |
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| shardy | odyssey4me: Hey, thanks! | 10:41 |
| shardy | odyssey4me: sorry I wasn't aware there was an existing etherpad | 10:41 |
| flaper87 | odyssey4me: that's awesome, thanks | 10:41 |
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| odyssey4me | shardy that was more of a scratch pad from the initial discussion that OSA and O-H had | 10:41 |
| odyssey4me | it's good that we're moving stuff over into this one as it's more inclusive and purpose specific | 10:42 |
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| shardy | odyssey4me: ah, yeah I think I actuall did see that but forgot, thanks for adding the content :) | 10:42 |
| shardy | maybe we could add a list of the projects interested in collaborating to the wiki along with irc nicks for those prepared to act as a point of contact | 10:43 |
| * shardy will look at doing that later | 10:44 | |
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| EmilienM | odyssey4me: excellent | 12:10 |
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| EmilienM | odyssey4me: also, ack for mailing list | 12:13 |
| EmilienM | works for me now | 12:13 |
| EmilienM | odyssey4me: creating the WG is on my todo, I was waiting for feedback this week after shardy's email and it seems we're ready now | 12:13 |
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| EmilienM | odyssey4me: I'm confused about why not using IRC channel | 12:15 |
| EmilienM | because that's how the community works, IRC + ML | 12:15 |
| odyssey4me | EmilienM I don't see what the point is of creating another exclusive space for discussions | 12:15 |
| odyssey4me | that makes sense for projects, but I don't think it's appropriate for working groups | 12:16 |
| odyssey4me | this channel is open, just like the ML and many people would be interested in the discussions we have | 12:16 |
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| odyssey4me | also, this channel is not all that busy - but everyone is in it, so using this channel increases our discussion exposure, therefore giving us broader input | 12:17 |
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| odyssey4me | if our discussion traffic increases such that we're intruding on others, then I'd be happy to support moving to another channel - but having another channel to be mostly idle is a waste of screen real-estate :p | 12:18 |
| odyssey4me | EmilienM if you feel that it's the right thing to do, then I will follow your lead | 12:19 |
| EmilienM | to be honest, I don't know :-) we're starting things now, I think we'll learn on the go how we like to work | 12:20 |
| odyssey4me | It would have been great to discuss it as a community, instead of a person making a unilateral decision | 12:20 |
| EmilienM | I think for now, discussions should happen on ML when possible (and that's what I would do) | 12:21 |
| odyssey4me | yep, agreed | 12:21 |
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| andymccr | yeah tbh that is the reason i havnt really commented on that side of things at all, its early doors - and its hard to know. perhaps meetings/IRC dont work and the etherpad/ML is all we need, but its all conjecture | 12:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | SpamapS: dstanek: mriedem: notmorgan: noticed the debate around quota from lbragstad ML post, curious if this helps answer questions: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429678 | 13:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | FWIW, I think placement API, once split out of nova, could eventually handle quotas, but the current proposals seems like a good step in that direction | 13:35 |
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| SpamapS | johnthetubaguy: that's an interesting way to go with that. Close to the resource tracker seems like the right place to put usage information. | 13:49 |
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| sdague | SpamapS: were you in the room when the quotas discussion was happening? | 13:53 |
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| sdague | because, part of the reason for putting limit definitions in keystone is the fact that whenever you update a limit in a hierarchy there is going to have to be a ton of checking and calculating the hierarchy. So it seems really weird and terribly inefficient to do it someplace where you don't have a lock on the hierachy. But that's just for the limits write. | 13:55 |
| sdague | calculations on usage stay down in the services | 13:55 |
| sdague | limits fetched from the hierarchy | 13:55 |
| SpamapS | sdague: Indeed, I was, but the usage is going to be changing far more often than the limits. | 13:56 |
| sdague | SpamapS: sure, so I don't see why limits in keystone is an issue | 13:57 |
| SpamapS | And usage calc will have to fetch the hierarchy anyway. | 13:57 |
| sdague | SpamapS: some times | 13:57 |
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| sdague | if you run non overbooking, it only needs children | 13:57 |
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| SpamapS | Right but overbooking was stated as a hard requirement. Perhaps it's not? | 13:58 |
| sdague | SpamapS: no, it was stated as a mode that people may want | 13:58 |
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| SpamapS | Ok well that is different than hard req :) | 13:59 |
| sdague | So I think that a path where limits move to keystone is a very concrete evolution, that gives a real path to making progress. It's actually the first time I've seen any part of this conversation move in a direction that I can imagine it getting implemented. | 14:00 |
| SpamapS | sdague: I see both sides, I do. But the main reason to have them in keystone was that the hierarchy exists there and not in usage-info-holders. But it does exist in usage-info-holders, even if it's just children. | 14:01 |
| sdague | SpamapS: it doesn't | 14:01 |
| sdague | it's totally invalidated garbage data | 14:01 |
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| SpamapS | This gets really weird with accounting actually. | 14:01 |
| SpamapS | unless hierarchies are immutable | 14:01 |
| SpamapS | but that's a bit corner casey | 14:02 |
| sdague | there are lots of hard problems here for sure | 14:02 |
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| sdague | but we have a very big first order problem right now, in all deployments, that service don't know if projects/users exist when you set limits on them | 14:02 |
| sdague | and that leads to tons of real bugs | 14:02 |
| SpamapS | sdague: I am not sure I understand how usage can be calculated without the hierarchy being known. | 14:03 |
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| SpamapS | If it's just A->B .. and you have a resource in A, and a resource in B... what's usage for A? What's usage for B? | 14:03 |
| sdague | and moving that to keystone eliminates a giant class of real bugs today | 14:03 |
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| sdague | SpamapS: ok, so I think you are saying hierarchical computations are going to be tricky, regardless | 14:04 |
| sdague | and I agree | 14:04 |
| SpamapS | Well no, I'm saying hierarchycal computations are going to need to be able to find the root of the tree. | 14:04 |
| sdague | but it skips past the limits definitions even being vaguely real | 14:04 |
| sdague | SpamapS: sure | 14:04 |
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| SpamapS | And it seems to me that there will be usage numbers at every branch of the tree. | 14:05 |
| sdague | SpamapS: yes, that's true regardless | 14:05 |
| sdague | what isn't true regardless is how much effort is it to ensure that the limits hierarchy is real | 14:05 |
| SpamapS | Right | 14:06 |
| SpamapS | I see your point there. | 14:06 |
| sdague | even in flatland today, the limits defintions are often fiction | 14:06 |
| SpamapS | So even though it would be far more efficient to have the limits local... | 14:06 |
| sdague | nope | 14:06 |
| SpamapS | it's hard to know if the hierarchy that was set during limits def is still valid. | 14:06 |
| sdague | there is one project that knows if a project_id/user_id is real in your system | 14:07 |
| SpamapS | well it would be pretty darn efficient if there are just rows in a 'limits' table and rows in a 'usages' table and you can just left join to the limits table while you're walking usage. | 14:07 |
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| sdague | that's a real, current issue | 14:07 |
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| SpamapS | But we could probably do that as a cache | 14:07 |
| sdague | SpamapS: that statement makes no sense to me? | 14:07 |
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| SpamapS | sorry we're a bit out of sync | 14:08 |
| SpamapS | I'm agreeing :) | 14:08 |
| SpamapS | So if we had the limits in keystone as source of truth... | 14:08 |
| sdague | You are going to replicate 300K users/projects from and ldap on every service? | 14:08 |
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| SpamapS | sdague: just the ones that have usage? | 14:09 |
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| SpamapS | which I have to do anyway to record said usage. | 14:09 |
| sdague | right, so consider, getting non fictional limit means you are talking about (project, user (maybe), endpoint, limitedthing, amount) | 14:09 |
| sdague | SpamapS: you need a limit before you can have usage | 14:09 |
| SpamapS | That's a very good point. | 14:10 |
| sdague | and I am quite concerned that (project, user (maybe), endpoint, limitedthing, amount) is valid | 14:10 |
| sdague | because if it is not, there are a million bugs falling out of | 14:10 |
| sdague | keystone knows project, user, endpoint. If the endpoint then registers valid limitted things in it, and amount is always a int, you can at least ensure that data is not corrupt | 14:11 |
| sdague | that gives you a starting point of limits data will not be corrupt, which is not a thing we can ensure right now | 14:12 |
| SpamapS | So I like all of that. Let's get into how usage is calculated, because maybe I misunderstood. | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I tried to draw that out in the spec, if its useful? | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | line 134 in here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429678/4/specs/backlog/approved/quota-future.rst | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am curious if what I had in my head is what others were thinking | 14:14 |
| sdague | so, honestly, I think that calculating usage is going to be approximately as hard in any scenario | 14:14 |
| SpamapS | Given ProjectParent->ProjectChild , if I'm trying to calc usage(ProjectChild) the first step is to find out parents of ProjectChild right? | 14:14 |
| sdague | but this gives us a thing we could do in pike, that at least ensures a real source of truth | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think keystone just lists the scope and the limit, the project has to work out how to "count the scope" | 14:14 |
| SpamapS | I'm reading again (I read this a while back.. thought I had it in my head) | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 for making steps forward that help operators a lot now | 14:15 |
| sdague | I also think this is complicated enough, that until you get some of the birds to land, you can keep going around in circles | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:15 |
| SpamapS | Ok, if you guys don't want to walk through how usage is calc'd with me, we're all busy. :) Happy to back away faster. ;) | 14:17 |
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| sdague | SpamapS: I think it's at best a stretch goal for pike, but really it's queens | 14:17 |
| SpamapS | the spec says the word 'usage' once. :-P | 14:18 |
| SpamapS | So it's not at all clear how it's expected to be calculated. | 14:18 |
| SpamapS | Perhaps it's somewhere else. | 14:18 |
| sdague | and one of the reasons big hard things don't get done is we jump to step 3 or 4 or 27, when if we moved the ball forward here lots of people would be in code and the next problem would be more clear | 14:19 |
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| SpamapS | sdague: I can see that you'd rather I just stop commenting, and honestly, you have _a bazillion_ times more context. I was asked to look at it from outside either project, which is what I'm trying to do... but I can't really understand it and I'm probably just a speed bump at this point. | 14:21 |
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| sdague | SpamapS: well mostly I want look at the concrete thing of limits in keystone | 14:21 |
| SpamapS | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/ocata/approved/cells-count-resources-to-check-quota-in-api.html <-- says "counting the resources", but again, does not say how they'd be counted | 14:21 |
| sdague | does that paint us into a corner we can't get out of | 14:21 |
| sdague | and does it solve any real problems immediately (like this garbage limits problem that all projects have right now) | 14:22 |
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| sdague | and I don't think it puts us anywhere terrible, it moves things forward, it solves some real problems, and it's doable in a cycle | 14:22 |
| SpamapS | No I don't think it does. But it may waste Keystone's time if everyone ends up solving most of the same problems in their resource usage counting anyway, and the caches of limits end up being 1:1 mirrors of keystone's data. | 14:23 |
| SpamapS | Which is why I'm asking for somebody to point to a clear description of how resources are counted to calc usage(project) | 14:24 |
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| SpamapS | If that has to fetch the project hierarchy from keystone every time anyway, then I reverse my position, and suggest that Keystone be the source of truth for limits since you're going there anyway. | 14:25 |
| SpamapS | I was led to believe that's not the case, and that usage rollups were to be found inside each resource tracker. | 14:25 |
| sdague | SpamapS: I think the point is, there are a few different models that one might use to this kind of quota calculation | 14:25 |
| sdague | on the usage side | 14:25 |
| sdague | and right now, I don't think which model has been decided on, or if there is only going to be one | 14:26 |
| SpamapS | Well _that_ is the most useful piece of information yet. :) | 14:26 |
| sdague | so we can do the exercise about the various ways to account for usage. But I don't think that changes the storage on limits story, and ensuring that's solid | 14:26 |
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| SpamapS | I agree then. Have a solid source of hierarchy truth and build the usage calcs around that. | 14:27 |
| SpamapS | This has been very useful in expanding my understanding of the actual current state of things vs. future state in peoples head which I was led to believe was current state. | 14:27 |
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| sdague | ah, ok :) | 14:28 |
| SpamapS | Common mistake. People speak with authority about the way they think it should work as if that's how it works. | 14:29 |
| SpamapS | And I don't check that it actually works that way. | 14:29 |
| sdague | yeh, so, honestly, I've got a todo to try to help paint the picture, but this week has had some unexpected interuptions, so my brain has not yet had the space for it | 14:29 |
| sdague | got to run to breakfast now | 14:29 |
| SpamapS | I think you've got it far clearer than I ever did. | 14:29 |
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| SpamapS | And keystone owning the limits for the hierarchy and calculating the rollups makes sense. Now.. I need to drive to Pasadena before it grows from 28 minutes to 58. ;) | 14:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/governance master: WIP: Describe what upstream support means https://review.openstack.org/440601 | 14:32 |
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| dstanek | SpamapS: sdague: i've very interested in this as well | 14:34 |
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| dstanek | i'll have to read up though since i haven't been paying attention :-( | 14:35 |
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| dstanek | i just want to make sure not only are we marching in the right direction, but that we're not marching for marching sake | 14:49 |
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| dstanek | my understanding thus far is that keystone will hold limit definitions | 14:50 |
| dstanek | nova defined the things that can be limited memory, cpu, whatever and registers them in keystone | 14:50 |
| dstanek | operators can then use an api in keystone to set hard limits | 14:50 |
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| dstanek | then when an VM request comes into nova it will ask keystone for the hieirachy of limits (the parent and all siblings) | 14:51 |
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| dstanek | nova would then using its own logic look at the limits the current usage and determine what to do next | 14:52 |
| dstanek | is that a correct characterization? | 14:52 |
| sdague | dstanek: yep | 14:52 |
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| dstanek | sdague: perfect | 14:54 |
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| dstanek | that's what SpamapS and I were discussing the other day | 14:54 |
| sdague | and, some asterixes. The over usage calculations for hierarchy case can/will probably by built into a library because some of it is tricky to get right | 14:54 |
| dstanek | in that model keystone is a glorified kv store] | 14:54 |
| sdague | dstanek: yep | 14:54 |
| sdague | dstanek: with some logic to not let you set limits that aren't possible in your model. Like A -> B, A cpus =100, B cpus=200 | 14:55 |
| sdague | so we get clean data on set into keystone | 14:55 |
| sdague | then we can trust that the hierarchy is consistent when we use that as source of truth in projects | 14:55 |
| dstanek | sdague: so it sounds easy on the surface | 14:56 |
| sdague | instead of having to code around crazy bugs like projects that don't exist | 14:56 |
| dstanek | new apis that are locked down to service users | 14:56 |
| dstanek | what do we do for users? will they need to see their limits? | 14:56 |
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| sdague | yeh, they can today in services | 14:56 |
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| dstanek | ok, so the user asks nova for limits -> nova gets limits from keystone and the adjusts based on usage | 14:57 |
| sdague | dstanek: the way it was talked about in the room | 14:57 |
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| sdague | you can query keystone for limits | 14:58 |
| dstanek | sdague: will services need to get limits for other services? like nova needing to know limits for glance? | 14:58 |
| dstanek | sdague: the user can query keystone? | 14:58 |
| sdague | you can query services for usages, which will include limits as well (having fetched it on demand from keystone) | 14:58 |
| sdague | dstanek: yes, that was the desire | 14:58 |
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| sdague | so I can GET /limits, it opperates in my current project context (and probably returns children in hierarchy mode) | 14:59 |
| sdague | then I can see all the limits enacted on me in the system | 14:59 |
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| sdague | because booting a server requires not only cpu limits, but network, possibly volumes, etc | 14:59 |
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| dstanek | sdague: the only problem there is now to deal with over promising | 15:00 |
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| sdague | dstanek: so your connect is, I have limit 100, but so do all the other depts, any my division has 200, and I try to allocate and fail overquota? | 15:01 |
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| sdague | I think that's just going to be a matter of being clear in the error message that your parent project has exceeded quota, and ask your administrator to adjust | 15:02 |
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| dstanek | sdague: fair enough. i just wanted to get all my assumptions straightened out | 15:02 |
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| sdague | but, again, that's kind of all hard regardless, and I don't think we're getting to any of that in pike, just trying to lay the groundwork for a validated clean data set in keystone | 15:03 |
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| dstanek | sdague: my biggest concern would be to make sure the API is somewhat isolated within keystone so that it *could* be split off in the future | 15:04 |
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| sdague | dstanek: I guess... I honestly feel like this has to be deeply tied to the project structure, and unless you are talking about spinning out that, it seems kind of pointless | 15:05 |
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| dstanek | sdague: i can actually see it in a few different ways, but the thing i was specificaly pushing back on what putting limits in the token response | 15:06 |
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| sdague | ah, yeh, I guess that bit didn't come up there, but I wouldn't assume that things would go in the token. Honestly, I'm in the camp that we should get the catalog out of the token as well, and that the token should really only be project, user, roles. | 15:08 |
| lbragstad | sdague thats an interesting idea | 15:09 |
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| lbragstad | I was talking to notmorgan about versionless auth because we've had a spec in keystone's backlog for *ages* to decouple auth from a version, and that might provide a way to move catalogs out of the token | 15:10 |
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| dstanek | sdague: you just won my heart :-) | 15:11 |
| lbragstad | it might also provide a way for us to build more sensible catalog (based on the service) | 15:11 |
| sdague | lbragstad: the thing is, outside of code our community has written, I'm not really convinced that folks use the token embedded catalog | 15:13 |
| sdague | I have seen a ton of hard coding of urls | 15:13 |
| lbragstad | sdague hmmm I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing | 15:14 |
| lbragstad | :) | 15:14 |
| sdague | it's a neat idea that's too complicated by half, and unless/until there is an equivalent of keystoneauth1 / occ in go, javascript, php, and ruby... it's just not going to all that used | 15:14 |
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| lbragstad | sdague you're still referencing the catalog *within* the token response | 15:15 |
| lbragstad | ? | 15:15 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: yes | 15:16 |
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| sdague | I feel like the catalog should be user fetchable from keystone, but it being in the token isn't really that useful | 15:16 |
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| lbragstad | sdague yeah - it reminds me of getting access to a building via a badge and being handed a map of all rooms in the building i have access to | 15:17 |
| lbragstad | instead of finding the map when i need it | 15:17 |
| lbragstad | or just trying the door with my badge and seeing what happens | 15:17 |
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| sdague | yeh, and because we move that token around on the wire inside of services, there is a non negligible cost to that | 15:18 |
| sdague | there was a real performance win in nova to delete most of it | 15:18 |
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| lbragstad | sdague yeah - i'd believe that | 15:19 |
| dstanek | sdague: not PKI tokens being dead we don't really move the catalog around do we? | 15:19 |
| sdague | dstanek: honestly, I don't know | 15:19 |
| dstanek | s/not/with/ | 15:19 |
| sdague | I thought it was still in the context | 15:19 |
| sdague | either it's all still there, or keystoneauth is doing a thing for us | 15:20 |
| lbragstad | well - we give it to you unless to explicitly say "give me just a token without the service catalog" | 15:20 |
| lbragstad | sdague aha - right | 15:20 |
| sdague | because we get an API request, have to shuffle it off to nova-compute over RPC, and call cinder by catalog with that token | 15:20 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: on token validation or creation, but that no longer flows between services (i don't think) | 15:20 |
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| sdague | dstanek: so I think you are talking about the piece we send back to keystone for validation | 15:22 |
| sdague | and I think I agree that got smaller here | 15:22 |
| sdague | but that doesn't change the part that moves across rabbit between services in the context to the best of my knowledge | 15:23 |
| sdague | it's not the REST cost, it's the RPC carrying cost | 15:23 |
| lbragstad | that makes sense | 15:23 |
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| lbragstad | so the question is whether or not the entire catalog is being transferred over rpc | 15:23 |
| sdague | especially given that rabbit is typically the first scaling challenge sites hit | 15:24 |
| dstanek | sdague: sorta. i was talking about the old PKI way where the catalog was embeded in the token and transfered between services | 15:24 |
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| sdague | dstanek: between REST services, right? | 15:24 |
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| sdague | I mean intra-service calls over RPC, because you will eventually make another call to another service on behalf of the user you accepted the request from | 15:24 |
| sdague | n-api -> n-cpu -> n-cond etc | 15:25 |
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| lbragstad | sdague ideally wouldn't it be better to only transmit the token (sans catalog) over RPC and then re-inflate it on the other side if needed? | 15:25 |
| sdague | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/37cd9a961b065a07352b49ee72394cb210d8838b/nova/context.py#L102-L106 | 15:25 |
| lbragstad | aha | 15:26 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: right, which requires a user accessible call to fetch their catalog | 15:26 |
| dstanek | sdague: yep, when pushing around PKI tokens you'd be pushing around the catalog :-( sad! | 15:26 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: the fact that volumev3 had to go in that list, means I'm pretty sure it's still an issue | 15:26 |
| lbragstad | right | 15:26 |
| lbragstad | so when nova-compute gets a token via RPC, can it validate the user token for that catalog though? | 15:27 |
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| sdague | nova-compute doesn't validate it | 15:27 |
| sdague | it uses it | 15:27 |
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| lbragstad | sdague so it's only validated on entry into nova (at nova-api?) | 15:28 |
| sdague | yes | 15:28 |
| lbragstad | ok - that makes sense | 15:28 |
| lbragstad | from there, nova slims the catalog down into only what it assumes it needs before throwing it on the message bus | 15:28 |
| sdague | lbragstad: yes | 15:28 |
| * lbragstad nods | 15:28 | |
| sdague | those are services we know we look up by catalog point to make calls, so any time you want to add another one in there, you have to put that in the list | 15:29 |
| lbragstad | sure | 15:29 |
| lbragstad | it also means you have to do a bunch of extra process just because in order to slim the catalog down to only what the service needs | 15:30 |
| lbragstad | processing* | 15:30 |
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| sdague | well, the trim is cheap | 15:30 |
| sdague | it's just surprising to people | 15:30 |
| lbragstad | it'd be cool if there was a way to provide a nova-only catalog based on the service token used to to validate the user token | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | Looks like we have the same on the Cinder side: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/context.py#L85 | 15:31 |
| sdague | lbragstad: it would also be totally fine if there was a GET /catalog that returned my personalized catalog | 15:31 |
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| sdague | and either hit that explicitly | 15:32 |
| lbragstad | sdague on behalf of the user or the service? | 15:32 |
| sdague | or bake it into the keystoneauth1.get(service="volume") | 15:32 |
| lbragstad | sdague sorry - i guess my question would be, does nova-compute use that endpoint? | 15:33 |
| sdague | lbragstad: nova-compute needs to talk to cinder some times | 15:33 |
| sdague | and it needs to know where cinder is | 15:33 |
| sdague | on behalf of the user | 15:33 |
| sdague | this is user token operations | 15:33 |
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| sdague | like provision me a volume | 15:34 |
| sdague | so I can attach it | 15:34 |
| lbragstad | so, in the new way of doing it, nova-compute would ask for the catalog on behalf of the user via their token | 15:34 |
| lbragstad | from keystone | 15:34 |
| sdague | right | 15:34 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 15:34 |
| lbragstad | sweet - same page | 15:34 |
| sdague | and, with our existing programming set you could even embed that in keystoneauth1 | 15:34 |
| sdague | so that when the endpoint_filter was applied | 15:35 |
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| lbragstad | so then you'd really only need to put the token on the message bus, versus any bits of the catalog | 15:35 |
| sdague | it looks at token... oh hey, no service catalog, fine make the keystone call now to know what to do | 15:35 |
| sdague | then you could just turn off getting service catalog in your tokens at a service level and it would all work | 15:35 |
| sdague | RPC all of the sudden gets much lighter | 15:36 |
| sdague | for the cost of an extra keystone call in a few places | 15:36 |
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| lbragstad | aha | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I am assuming lots of those extra calls could also get removed via some kind of caching (if tenant_id isn't there, etc)? | 15:38 |
| sdague | I'm now actually curious if neutron does this trimming as well, because they use the rpc bus even more than just about anyone | 15:38 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure, but that's all optimizations | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: totally | 15:39 |
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| sdague | and keystone already has catching mechanisms on their side, I wouldn't overcomplicate this stuff | 15:39 |
| SpamapS | sdague: FWIW, I'm with you that this is deeply tied to project structure in keystone. | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: you may have just found a way to speed up neutron there? | 15:40 |
| SpamapS | this isn't something I expect to be split out ever | 15:40 |
| lbragstad | sdague ok - so real quick, we could do the majority of this in keystoneauth, but there would be a couple bits that have to change in nova-compute, too? | 15:40 |
| lbragstad | along with nova context to not prune the catalog at all? | 15:41 |
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| SpamapS | And also I'm 100% on the "get the catalog out of the token" train. :) | 15:42 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I don't know, I'm going to throw out a test | 15:42 |
| SpamapS | I could see stuffing a "catalog key" in there. So that you can cache the catalogs and not have to re-fetch when you need it. | 15:43 |
| sdague | lbragstad: yeh, I think the nova changes for something like this would be minimal | 15:43 |
| sdague | SpamapS: meh, I think that over complicates things. Catalogs don't change that often | 15:43 |
| SpamapS | So "when I made this token, the catalog was {uuid}" and then validators can just keep that uuid around. | 15:44 |
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| SpamapS | sdague: it's quite useful for users too. | 15:44 |
| sdague | have services always go to keystone, keystone cache a reasonably long time, keystone dump cache on any endpoint write call | 15:44 |
| sdague | keystone knows if you did something that invalidates the cache | 15:44 |
| lbragstad | we support that today with all catalog related entries fwiw | 15:45 |
| SpamapS | Right, I want to let the users cache, not just keystone. | 15:45 |
| SpamapS | You can also just give back an ETag and an Expires and use regular HTTP freshness semantics. | 15:45 |
| sdague | SpamapS: that's fine, but I think that's an over optimization at this point, with an actual cache busting problem | 15:46 |
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| sdague | especially when there is like 2 cycles of work just to get the flow changed in services, for some potentially great wins | 15:46 |
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| SpamapS | Yeah, just having catalog out is good. | 15:46 |
| sdague | SpamapS: yeh, you could definitely ETag it | 15:46 |
| sdague | that would be fine | 15:46 |
| sdague | you'd still be calling keystone, and it would just 304 you | 15:47 |
| SpamapS | You can also get lots of users pointed at a single caching HTTP proxy that can manage the freshness. | 15:47 |
| sdague | sure | 15:48 |
| SpamapS | it's a problem people know how to handle. | 15:48 |
| SpamapS | vs. putting it in the token where it could get weird. :) | 15:48 |
| sdague | right, absolutely | 15:48 |
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| SpamapS | sdague: glad we could go around the horn a bit on the hierarchy limits.. hopefully I haven't slowed the train down too much to get it back up to full speed :-P | 15:49 |
| lbragstad | so - what about the usage of endpoint filters? | 15:49 |
| sdague | lbragstad: what's the question there? | 15:49 |
| SpamapS | lbragstad: I believe in catalog-next there was some desire to deprecate that particular bit of complexity? | 15:49 |
| SpamapS | Let people filter client side would be my preference. | 15:49 |
| lbragstad | I assume that wouldn't be cachable since it's something that could change depending on the user of the token | 15:49 |
| SpamapS | Just cache the whole durn thing. | 15:49 |
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| lbragstad | I think the need there was that some deployments only wanted to expose certain endpoints in a catalog based on if a user had a role assignment on a particular project | 15:50 |
| sdague | lbragstad: the request just needs to be made in a way that all the relevant parts are exposed at the HTTP level to optimize caching | 15:50 |
| sdague | lbragstad: right, but sure GET /catalog is personalized | 15:51 |
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| sdague | maybe there is an anon version with some common subset, maybe not, I gave up on anonymous catalog because people wanted this other thing for beta services | 15:51 |
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| lbragstad | so would /v3/auth/catalog work? | 15:52 |
| lbragstad | https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/identity/v3/index.html?expanded=get-service-catalog-detail#authentication-and-token-management | 15:52 |
| sdague | it could just as well be GET /catalog/{project}/{id} - even though project / id are in the token | 15:52 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: I think probably | 15:53 |
| SpamapS | yeah I'd say /catalog is "the catalog of things this token will give you some form of access to" is a user-friendly API orientation. | 15:53 |
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| SpamapS | whether the services are actually configured that way is unfortunately entirely up to the deployer until we start letting service users set role<->endpoint mappings automatically. | 15:54 |
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| SpamapS | fwiw, on the quota side, I do think either inside placement as a user-oriented API, or something like Boson, is where quota _usages_ will eventually need to be. But I'm now fully convinced that the limits are basically an attribute of projects and users. | 15:56 |
| SpamapS | dstanek: how about you? | 15:56 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: right, so with that api existing, I think the bit of code that could be thrown together is have keystoneauth hit that transparently if the endpoint_filter passed isn't found in the token | 15:57 |
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| sdague | honestly, that sounds like a thing a keystoneauth person could do in an afternoon :) | 15:57 |
| lbragstad | right | 15:57 |
| sdague | and make the magic happen | 15:57 |
| lbragstad | the keystone bits should be there | 15:57 |
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| * SpamapS would like to take this moment to remind everyone that keystoneauth is not the way we access keystone. Keystone's REST API is. | 15:58 | |
| SpamapS | keystoneauth is a convenience python library. | 15:58 |
| sdague | SpamapS: yes | 15:58 |
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| sdague | but, from a service shuttle perspective, we could immediately drop rabbit traffic substantially this release doing something like this | 15:59 |
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| lbragstad | this should be something that we can do today in keystone via it's REST API, the keystoneauth bits are convenience for the services (i think?) | 15:59 |
| sdague | and I 100% this changes the way we describe the common flow to users | 15:59 |
| sdague | but, honestly, I think they mostly don't get the current common flow :) | 16:00 |
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| clarkb | can confirm, am user, do not understand keystone | 16:01 |
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| sdague | clarkb: ♥ | 16:02 |
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| lbragstad | Hello, my name is Lance. I've been working on keystone for 4 years and I still don't understand it. | 16:02 |
| clarkb | lbragstad: thats what notmorgan said the other day too :) | 16:03 |
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| lbragstad | clarkb sounds like we're all on step 1 ;) | 16:03 |
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| notmorgan | hello my name is notmorgan and keystone is too insane to understand. | 16:03 |
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| SpamapS | Hello, My name is Clint, I've been using OpenStack for 4 years and Keystone 400 Bad Request | 16:05 |
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| notmorgan | SpamapS: 500 internal server error | 16:08 |
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| lbragstad | sdague SpamapS so - this was good and I want to write it down, mailing list seem appropriate? | 16:09 |
| notmorgan | keystoneauth is a library to ease auth transit. it only alleviates auth interactions and nothing else about Keystone's API. | 16:10 |
| sdague | lbragstad: wfm | 16:10 |
| briancurtin | larsks: FYI i’m working on some tweaks to that image download stream change—going to just propose some changes on the patch-set myself, was becoming easier to just write the code out than do it in review comments | 16:10 |
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| SpamapS | lbragstad: +1 | 16:17 |
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| SpamapS | notmorgan: But my point is, like shade, keystoneauth should shine light on the painful APIs we have built, and the community should strive for it to be an empty shell. | 16:18 |
| SpamapS | in 3 years if keystoneauth and shade aren't a thin wrapper on requests I'll be sad. | 16:19 |
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| notmorgan | SpamapS: KSA will always be heavier than shade, for some reasons, but in 3 years if I'm still battling these parts of OpenStack I'll be a lot crankier and unhappy | 16:20 |
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| notmorgan | so, here is hoping :) | 16:20 |
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| sdague | SpamapS: right, I think at some point during the API WG conversations I said... "a key point of this is to delete shade" | 16:27 |
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| sdague | shade is a good example of expressing the real work arounds that are needed for real things | 16:27 |
| sdague | and those should all move back into the servers and not be a client responsibility | 16:27 |
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| Santhosh_ | _> I am running into an issue while installing openstack through pip inside a docker container. I exported all the openstack variables in shell script and checked the openstack version which is good "openstack 3.8.1". In same script after installing openstack, I am running openstack cli command to create a stack. _> The error I am getting is "openstack: 'stack create' is not an openstack command. See 'openstack --help'." | 17:44 |
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| Santhosh_ | Is the chat room active? | 17:50 |
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| odyssey4me | EmilienM inc0 andymccr v1k0d3n not sure if this affects you but FYI we can expect to see infra mirrors for mariadb 10.0 and 10.1 within the next day as https://review.openstack.org/354203 has merged | 17:56 |
| EmilienM | odyssey4me: oh nice | 17:57 |
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| EmilienM | mwhahaha: ^ I don't think we use it in puppet CI | 17:57 |
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| EmilienM | I think we rely on what distro provide | 17:57 |
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| mwhahaha | right that's also just ubuntu | 17:58 |
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| odyssey4me | ah, good point - but now it'll be easy enough to extend to centos, which we'd actually like | 17:58 |
| odyssey4me | any volunteers to adjust it for that? | 17:58 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: I don't see centos packages on the mariadb mirror | 17:59 |
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| clarkb | I wonder if they do that because centos/fedora already package mariadb whereas debian/ubuntu have stuck with mysql | 17:59 |
| EmilienM | odyssey4me: we use the packages in RDO, already mirrored in centos I think | 17:59 |
| odyssey4me | clarkb yes, originally we only wanted ubuntu - I'll have to push a patch to add centos | 17:59 |
| clarkb | odyssey4me: right, there is no mariadb centos package to mirror though | 17:59 |
| odyssey4me | oh really? | 18:00 |
| odyssey4me | hang a sec | 18:00 |
| clarkb | not at http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mariadb/repo/ | 18:00 |
| odyssey4me | http://yum.mariadb.org/10.1/centos/7/x86_64 | 18:00 |
| odyssey4me | ya, different source | 18:00 |
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| Santhosh_ | I am running into an issue while installing openstack through pip inside a docker container. I exported all the openstack variables in shell script and checked the openstack version which is good "openstack 3.8.1". In same script after installing openstack, I am running openstack cli command to create a stack. _> The error I am getting is "openstack: 'stack create' is not an openstack command. See 'openstack --help'." | 18:09 |
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| clarkb | Santhosh_: I think that the stack subcommand is a plugin to the openstackclient so you need to install additional tools to get that plugin | 18:10 |
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| Santhosh_ | you mean the heat I have to install? | 18:11 |
| clarkb | Santhosh_: yes you have to installt the heatclient, as an alternative I think that if you install openstackclient instead of python-openstackclient it installs all of the possible deps/plugins | 18:11 |
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| Santhosh_ | Thanks @clarkb I am going to try now | 18:12 |
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| dims | sdague : around for a quick project-config review? (just need to mark a stable compat job non-voting) | 18:27 |
| dims | sdague : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440737/ | 18:27 |
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| dims | clarkb : fungi : one of you, pretty please? ^ | 18:30 |
| dtroyer | Santhosh_, clarkb: yup, python-heatclient needs to be installed for OSC to see the 'stack' commands. The openstackclient package has not been released yet (next week hopefully!) which will install _all_ known plugins to OSC, so simpler for users, many more dependencies... | 18:30 |
| clarkb | dtroyer: thanks for confirming | 18:31 |
| clarkb | dims: isn't the idea that master shouldb't break old branches though? | 18:32 |
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| dims | clarkb : y, still digging out from under pbr/hacking, need this to dig out of the hole | 18:35 |
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| clarkb | gotcha | 18:35 |
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| dims | thanks clarkb ! | 18:36 |
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| Santhosh_ | @Clarkb that worked.. Thanks a lot | 18:40 |
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| kornica | hi guys, does anyone know if it possible to link configuration files to be visible in gate's logs ? Like next to screen outputs ? | 18:55 |
| jroll | kornica: they're in the gate logs in etc/ | 18:55 |
| kornica | jroll: for instance here (http://logs.openstack.org/04/436804/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-monasca-python-mysql-full-ubuntu-xenial/b2d0a03/logs/etc/) I can see core components' configuration | 18:56 |
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| jroll | kornica: oh! I see what you mean | 18:57 |
| kornica | jroll: what I would like to add is configuration of monasca components | 18:57 |
| jroll | there is a thing, let me poke around | 18:57 |
| kornica | thx | 18:57 |
| clarkb | its an explicit whitelist of things for raisins | 18:59 |
| clarkb | my ideal world would be we have /etc/openstack and you put everything in there like /etc/openstack/nova/ and /etc/openstack/neutron | 19:00 |
| clarkb | then we can just grab that entire dir, but not all services allow for different config file locations | 19:00 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:00 |
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| jroll | clarkb: my grep foo is failing, do you know where this is offhand? | 19:01 |
| kornica | clarkb: I see why I couldn't ask in monasca if they would be interested in such migration, devstack is anyway dev environment so that shouldn't matter IMHO. But I cannot speak for the rest of monasca :) | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | jroll: its in d-g somewhere, but my grep foo is also failing | 19:02 |
| clarkb | kornica: its a larger openstack problem. Last I checked (admittedly forever ago) swift expects its config in one hardcoded location | 19:02 |
| clarkb | and there were other services that did that too iirc | 19:02 |
| clarkb | jroll: I think its in devstack-gate/functions.sh:cleanup_host somewhere | 19:02 |
| clarkb | ya found it | 19:03 |
| jroll | ah yeah | 19:03 |
| jroll | so just add to $PROJECTS it seems | 19:03 |
| clarkb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/functions.sh#n704 yup | 19:03 |
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| kornica | clarkb: yeah...you're right, actually I stubmled upon this while write specs for rpm-packaging project :/ | 19:06 |
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| kornica | well, if that's about adding to $PROJECTS..seems like it might be more, because I have all components used in gate in PROJECTS list because of git_clone usage | 19:06 |
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| kornica | oh...I see how this function works... | 19:07 |
| kornica | well monasca puts everything into /etc/monasca in devstack | 19:07 |
| kornica | so more like for service in $SERVICES | 19:08 |
| kornica | anyway, thx that answers my question, guess ball is on my side | 19:08 |
| kornica | cheers | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | kornica: note that devstack-gate will grab /etc/openstack if its there | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | kornica: that was put in place so that we could migrate to using /etc/openstack as we are able, maybe you could take advantage of that | 19:09 |
| kornica | clarkb: yep, I noticed, thx :) | 19:09 |
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| sdague | stevemar: could you un -2 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363765/ ? | 19:50 |
| stevemar | sdague: ack | 19:50 |
| sdague | so, I guess the follow up question to lbragstad ... that spec is definitely not what we seem to have been building concensus around (there are some bits in there that are a bit off base), would you like to see something else in parallel from a clean slate? or try to iterate on that? | 19:52 |
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| lbragstad | sdague i'd be fine with either, but if i had to pick a preference I'd say we can do something in parallel. | 19:53 |
| sdague | ok, got a call shortly, I can start on a sketch there shortly | 19:54 |
| sdague | see where it heads | 19:54 |
| lbragstad | then if we decide to go with one proposal over the other we have it clearly defined why and we can abandon the other with a clear reason (versus diffing patch sets) | 19:54 |
| lbragstad | sdague thanks! | 19:55 |
| sdague | yeh | 19:55 |
| sdague | honestly, I'm going to try to keep this a little more high level so we can nail agreement and figure out the exact ways to work out details as we go | 19:55 |
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| lbragstad | sdague ++ totally agree, i think painting the overall picture will help a lot here | 19:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance master: [goals/pike] Update Artifacts for WSGI goal in Puppet OpenStack https://review.openstack.org/440800 | 20:41 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: ^ fyi | 20:41 |
| mwhahaha | k | 20:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance master: [goals/pike] Update Artifacts for Python 3.5 goal in Puppet OpenStack https://review.openstack.org/440801 | 20:43 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: and another one ^ | 20:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance master: [goals/pike] Update Artifacts for Python 3.5 goal in Puppet OpenStack https://review.openstack.org/440801 | 20:44 |
| mtreinish | EmilienM: you don't want to run puppet's ci jobs with openstack running under py35? | 20:44 |
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| mwhahaha | mtreinish: we don't run python ci jobs except for docs | 20:45 |
| EmilienM | mtreinish: we strongly rely on what distros provide to us | 20:45 |
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| mtreinish | mwhahaha: you deploy a cloud and hit it with tempest right? | 20:45 |
| mtreinish | you can run those bits under py35 | 20:45 |
| mwhahaha | mtreinish: not from source | 20:46 |
| EmilienM | how? | 20:46 |
| EmilienM | we install packages from distros (RDO + UCA) | 20:46 |
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| mtreinish | EmilienM: I guess if no one packages it with py3 it makes it more difficult. You could still do it but it would involve a lot of annoying games trying to force a specific version (and you'd be hard time with any c libs with python interfaces used) | 20:48 |
| mwhahaha | but that's not what people are deploying | 20:49 |
| EmilienM | mtreinish: we're not going into this :D | 20:49 |
| mwhahaha | i'm all for switching to py3 but for our project it makes no sense to wedge it in if that's not what the end user will actually consume | 20:49 |
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| jroll | what would puppet CI with py3 really test? | 20:55 |
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| jroll | puppet isn't python, there's almost nothing in the puppet codebase that changes based on py 2 vs 3 | 20:55 |
| jroll | maybe a couple bizarro configs | 20:55 |
| jroll | but blame that on the service, not the automation :) | 20:55 |
| mtreinish | jroll: nothing really, I was just thinking it through out loud | 20:56 |
| mwhahaha | no he was saying to run our tempest runs in py3, but we run them on the the os provided python | 20:56 |
| mwhahaha | we try and do very little source installs for anything besides the puppet modules themselves | 20:56 |
| mtreinish | because it also made me think about when anyone is actually going to be using python 3 for running stuff | 20:56 |
| mwhahaha | tempest is a specific case because we do check that out, but we then run it under the distro python | 20:57 |
| jroll | mtreinish: yeah I'm mostly just thinking out loud too :) | 20:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance master: [goals/pike] Update Artifacts for WSGI goal in TripleO https://review.openstack.org/440809 | 21:01 |
| amrith | smcginnis, ping. would you please forward the invite to another email address I provided. | 21:01 |
| smcginnis | amrith: Will do | 21:04 |
| EmilienM | jroll: o/ while you're here, here's the main blocker for us to switch into WSGI with apache for ironic api: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1608252 | 21:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1608252 in Ironic "Ironic API deployed with Apache: Exception registering nodes: Timed out waiting for a reply to message ID" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Yuriy Zveryanskyy (yzveryanskyy) | 21:04 |
| jroll | uh oh | 21:04 |
| * jroll runs away | 21:04 | |
| EmilienM | jroll: also see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430851/ | 21:04 |
| EmilienM | I'll try again when your gate will deploy ironic api in wsgi | 21:05 |
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| jroll | EmilienM: yeah, I'm aware of the second :) | 21:05 |
| jroll | thanks for the bug reference, that feels done but hard to tell | 21:05 |
| EmilienM | cool :D | 21:06 |
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| lbragstad | SpamapS around? | 21:08 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: ok... so as best that I can english good this afternoon, this is a starting point, I hope - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440815/1/specs/keystone/backlog/unified-limits.rst | 21:27 |
| sdague | I really tried to err heavily on concepts, and lets on the details, so we don't lose the forest for the trees. | 21:27 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: probably worth making sure we've all got similar thing in our head before moving forward | 21:28 |
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| lbragstad | sdague ++ reading through it now | 21:29 |
| lbragstad | sdague should we update the ML thread? | 21:29 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: probably, though the fact that it is a hot off the presses brain dump means I'd like to at least get soft feedback first | 21:42 |
| sdague | also, at a minimum it should probably have a references section to the rest of the specs in the space | 21:42 |
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| dstanek | sdague: nice work on the limit spec - it's a good start for sure | 21:52 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek ++ | 22:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/governance master: Update py35 goal status for Nova https://review.openstack.org/440832 | 22:09 |
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| lbragstad | EmilienM ping | 22:19 |
| mmedvede | sdague: do you think it would be ok for a third-party CI to report results on devstack-gate changes (never voting). There is value there, e.g. it would have helped to catch some edge cases with recent transition to local.conf | 22:19 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM just got your note about updating pike goal for each project | 22:19 |
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| EmilienM | I'm on my phone | 22:20 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: I think jeblair has resisted that in the past | 22:20 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM oh - no worries, ping when you're available :) | 22:20 |
| EmilienM | lbragstad : I'll ping you back | 22:21 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: yeah, I recall something like that. jeblair - are you still opposed to third-party CI reporting on d-g? | 22:21 |
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| mmedvede | clarkb: thanks, I'll ask him later. Can not find anything in my irc logs | 22:23 |
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| jeblair | mmedvede, clarkb: i think it's fundamentally different than the server projects. i know that we want devstack-gate to be useful to third parties, but i don't think we have defined a concrete api surface and made promises about it. in that respect, d-g changes are far more likely to affect third-party ci systems, and there is generally little that an author of such a change can do about it. moreover, we know that it is going to ... | 22:28 |
| jeblair | ... radically change in the near future. i think what i'd rather do is focus on refactoring it into reusable pieces, especially ansible roles, with their own testing and defined api surface. | 22:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Update keystone goals for running in apache https://review.openstack.org/440840 | 22:32 |
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| mmedvede | jeblair: right. There is no stable interface yet and people use it in various unsupported ways. So third-party CIs would break in any case. My thinking is that allowing reporting on d-g would at least make it easier to third-party operators to debug it | 22:41 |
| jeblair | mmedvede: maybe a third-party ci running on it but not reporting upstream (only reporting locally) would help address the situation? i feel really awkward saying i support a ci system reporting on a repo when we don't expect people to pay attention to it. | 22:44 |
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| mmedvede | jeblair: so the CI I support already running on d-g patches, and not reporting. It is harder to see when the change is actually breaking our CI without writing some custom jenkins poller and introducing complexity. While if it was reporting, we could use existing tools, such as ci-watch | 22:47 |
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| mmedvede | jeblair: would explicitly specifying in the third-party CI comment that it can be ignored, and for third-party operator benefit only, make it less awkward? Trying to think if there is some way to still report without confusing / distracting devs. | 23:03 |
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| jeblair | mmedvede: i'd still prefer to avoid making any changes until after we're running zuulv3. i think enough is going to change to make a lot of this quickly moot. | 23:06 |
| jeblair | mmedvede: if you're running zuul, there are email or sql reporters you can use to get local reports | 23:06 |
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| mmedvede | ok, not sure exactly how zuul v3 would solve it, other than making it easier to write a custom tool for correlating Infra tests vs third-party test resuts. I'll wait, thanks | 23:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/governance master: [goals/pike] Responses for the WSGI goals for requiremenst and stable https://review.openstack.org/440869 | 23:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/governance master: [goals/pike] Responses for the WSGI goals for stable https://review.openstack.org/440874 | 23:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/governance master: [goals/pike] Responses for the WSGI goals for requirements and stable https://review.openstack.org/440869 | 23:57 |
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