Thursday, 2017-02-16

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openstackgerritRico Lin proposed openstack/governance master: Update email for heat ptl  https://review.openstack.org/43457001:09
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dhellmannnotmyname : I've been trying to arrange for folks to be in the room at different times. I have some other rooms I need to be in both days, so I won't be there 100% of the time. If you add your name and a few times to the etherpad, I will try to be there for at least one of them so we can talk details03:22
dhellmannnotmyname : see the "availability at ptg" section at the top03:22
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notmynamedhellmann: I'm asking more in general for the team, in addition to myself03:49
notmynamedhellmann: so it sounds like it's a "designated meeting point" without a particular schedule itself. just a place to talk if two people decide to talk about that03:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add standard deprecation assertion tag for Barbican  https://review.openstack.org/42081611:21
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Update email for heat ptl  https://review.openstack.org/43457011:22
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openstackgerritDave McCowan proposed openstack/governance master: Add stable branch assertion tag for Barbican  https://review.openstack.org/42128312:20
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dhellmannnotmyname : that's how we're going to end up using it because of schedule conflicts, yes12:36
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cdentmordred: good luck fighting that fight12:44
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mordredcdent: this is what happens when I read a mailing list before first coffee is done12:45
cdentmordred: I hate to deny you your coffee, but maybe that should happen more often?12:45
cdentnot that I always agree with you, but it is so refreshing to see some strong opinions12:46
sdaguewait, there is a new mordred fight?12:46
* sdague must have missed that email 12:46
mordredsdague: see the tripleo mascot thread12:46
mordredsdague: because I imagine you would not otherwise read it12:47
sdagueoh, yeh12:47
mordredcdent: I may not always be right, but I can usually be counted on to have a point of view and express it with gusto :)12:47
sdagueheh12:48
cdentme gusta gusto12:48
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jordanPmordred, shade attach_volume method is a pain...: if I pass it wait=True, the methods returns a volume object but if I pass it wait=False is return a volume_attachment object13:34
jordanPmordred, worth : vol = cloud.create_volume(); cloud.attach_volume(server, vol, wait=True); cloud.detach_volume(server, vol) raises a big "Volume %s is not attached to server %s" exception13:36
jordanP*worse13:36
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jordanP30min to figure out that the correct calls to make is13:36
mordredjordanP: LOVELY13:36
jordanPvol = cloud.create_volume(); vol = cloud.attach_volume(server, vol, wait=True); cloud.detach_volume(server, vol)13:36
jordanPI am unsure about the correct fix though13:37
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mordredjordanP: shouldn't it always return a volume_attachment? returning the volume for wait seems like a mistake?13:38
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jordanPyeah, it should always return a volume attachment13:39
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mordredwhich means detach_volume should accept a volume _or_ a volume_attachment I think13:39
jordanPbut then I don"t know how to do my calls: attach_volume() followed by detach_volume() won't work. I would have to insert a volume = get_volume(volume), to "refresh" the volume attachments13:39
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mordred(since it's reasonable to want to say "please detach this volume from this server" and also "please detach the volume referenced by this volume_attachment"13:40
jordanPI also think that this block:13:41
jordanP        dev = self.get_volume_attach_device(volume, server['id'])13:41
jordanP        if not dev:13:41
jordanP            raise OpenStackCloudException(13:41
jordanP                "Volume %s is not attached to server %s"13:41
jordanP                % (volume['id'], server['id'])13:41
jordanP            )13:41
jordanPis trying to be too clever13:41
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jordanPbasically it means I would always have to pass to detach_volume not the original volume (the one returned by the create call) but whatever is returned by the attach_volume method13:42
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mordredjordanP: yup. I totally agree. let's remove that bit, and then do a little bit of introspection to see if we got an attachment or a volume - and just make the detach call13:44
jordanPok, I'll do that then13:44
mordredcool. thanks!13:45
mordredjordanP: btw - there is also an #openstack-shade channel if you ever have need for it - although I obviously lurk in just about all of the channels :)13:45
jordanPyeah, good point13:46
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cdentEmilienM: I hope you have a big g&t budget13:59
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EmilienMcdent: I don't, but as a PTL, I expect generosity from my team :-P14:00
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cdentEmilienM: I think maybe we should buy some really nice gin and some tonic and set up shop in the one of the rooms. And that'll be it for the whole week: lots of nice talking in that room, but you can only speak if you've got a g&t.14:02
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EmilienMcdent++14:04
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mordredEmilienM, cdent: +100 - I will join to that room14:06
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EmilienMmordred: that room is called an Alcool store14:06
EmilienMI'll stay around it14:06
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mordred\o/14:07
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cdentEmilienM, mordred : http://o4d.com/14:14
EmilienM"ARE YOU AT LEAST 21 YEARS OLD?"14:14
EmilienMwell, in spirit or for real?14:14
EmilienMbecause otherwise no :D14:15
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ttx#success mikal: achievement unlocked -- being quoted in LWN security section15:40
openstackstatusttx: Added success to Success page15:40
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andymccrjamespage: when you're about - do you know if/when nova-lxd is going to branch for stable/ocata?15:44
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annegentle#success Craig Sterrett and the App Dev Enablement WG: New links to more content for the appdev on https://developer.openstack.org/16:36
openstackstatusannegentle: Added success to Success page16:36
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mordredmikal: wow nice. can I hang out near you and bask?16:39
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openstackgerritPetr Kovar proposed openstack/governance master: Add more docs links to Telemetry  https://review.openstack.org/43501717:00
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jaypipesdtroyer: once again, I find myself clapping while reading your email (the response on Making the Kitchen Great Again thread)17:47
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jaypipesalso, mordred, I never want to picture you with your "old man's pants on" again.17:50
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cdentjaypipes: mordred might need your shirt17:52
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jaypipescdent: :)17:52
mordredjaypipes: :)17:52
jaypipescdent: I have since showered and put on a more reasonable and comfortable black t-shirt.17:52
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cdentand we all feel much better for it17:53
cdentI could see it from here17:53
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jaypipescdent: indeed. I no longer look like an orange highway barrel.17:53
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* cdent goes home17:53
* cdent waves17:54
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jaypipesedleafe, mordred: can I have a place at the old-folks' home too?18:14
jaypipessounds cozy.18:14
mtreinishjaypipes: don't you already live in one?18:16
mordredjaypipes: dude. I'm not sure we know how to get you to leave :)18:16
jaypipesmtreinish: as soon as I wrote the above, I *knew* I was walking into that one :)18:16
mtreinishhaha18:16
* jaypipes waves from God's waiting room.18:17
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dtroyerjaypipes: the sad thing it I'm about to write my own version of the origination of that thread with my own not-shiny-sexy project that is losing core deveopers18:22
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jaypipesdtroyer: which one? osc?18:24
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dtroyeryup18:24
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jaypipesdtroyer: is it dying, or is it mature and doesn't necessarily need a big contributor team?18:27
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dtroyerit isn't dying, but it isn't getting the kind of contributors we need to sustain it, in that most are working on specific projects, then move on when that is done.18:28
dtroyerthe cores we've lost recently are due to management direction, not lack of personal interest18:29
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edleafejaypipes: you and mordred have a ways to go to catch up to me :)18:30
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dtroyerwatch out Ed, I'm closer to you than they areā€¦ :)18:30
jaypipesedleafe: :)18:31
jaypipesdtroyer: I see...18:31
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dtroyerjaypipes: having a platinum foundation member CEO tell me that "clients are not important" was very telling, and explained a lot a couple of years ago18:32
dtroyerOSc is at the point that I need to get noisy about the siruation before it gets into bad shape (it isn't there, yet)18:32
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cdentharlowja: opinionated fingernails++18:33
harlowjacdent lol, ya, i mean jeez folks18:33
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harlowjacdent  of course the opinions we decide on should be mine, obviously18:34
harlowjalol18:34
cdentI've long been of the opinion that if basement-hacker can't play with it easily, then of course the vast majority of engagement will be corporate and easy to lose18:35
cdentbut unfortunately things are hard to change18:35
mordreddtroyer: I will reply to your email either with support, or with an amusing anecdote, or with a rage filled diatribe. It's likely I will not know which one I'm writing18:35
harlowjamordred u aren't that old yet...18:36
harlowjai don't think u qualify for the old people discount yet18:36
mordredharlowja: remind me who you are again?18:36
harlowjathe guy who u leave your savings to18:36
harlowjain your will18:36
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mordredoh neat!18:36
harlowjaand your house18:37
harlowjadon't forget the house18:37
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mordredharlowja: how about this pile of moldy rags and rotting meat? should I leave them in the house or have them moved?18:37
mordredor maybe those are the things I'm leaving you and the house goes somewhere else18:38
mordredit's easy to get confused18:38
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mordredjaypipes: wait ... are we actually using #openstack-dev for random chatting?18:38
harlowjamordred u can leave the, it's ok, i can clean them up18:40
harlowjajust all the random crap u have hoarded, if u could get that out of the way, that'd be nice18:40
mordredharlowja: dood. only thing I hoard are moldy rags and rotting meat18:41
harlowjalol18:42
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harlowjau must be related to like a squirrel or something18:42
harlowjaexcept not hoarding nuts18:42
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harlowjamaybe u are a meat squirrel18:47
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jaypipesmordred: pretty much, yeah :)18:57
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sdaguemordred: because I think you were one of the people that brought up and complained about this previously - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43501019:32
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mordredsdague: complaining sounds like a thing I'd do19:32
sdagueactually checking that project_id is a thing on quota calls19:32
mordredsdague: ZOMG19:32
mordredclarkb: ^^^19:32
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mordredsdague: THANK YOU19:33
mordredsdague: I spent an entire day at one point trying to figure out how quotas worked - the problem was that they took project id not project name19:33
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sdaguemordred: yeh, it's not a 100% solution, because the cloud op might not have given enough permissions for the admin on the nova side to make that call, but when it can check, it will19:34
sdaguefail open at this point19:34
clarkbmordred: and didn't it do something weird like "succeed" when you gave it name?19:34
clarkband you could even list quotas against the name and you'd get them back as you set them19:34
sdagueclarkb: oh, yeh, it always succeeds now19:35
clarkbbut that didn't reflect reality when nova booting19:35
sdaguebecause it's just litterally storing keys in a db19:35
clarkbsdague: well specifically the issue was run quota show on name and it would say your things were correct19:35
clarkbsdague: then you'd go nova boot and hit a quota error19:35
clarkbmost confusing thing ever19:35
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sdagueclarkb: yep, keys in a database19:35
sdaguestore foo a19:35
sdagueget foo -> a19:35
sdaguedoesn't mean that foo is related to anythign19:35
mordredyup19:36
mordredthis is a big win19:36
sdaguemordred: well, you'll get it in pike19:37
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sdaguemordred/clarkb: spec addendum if you want to take a look to make sure this aligns with your desired behavior - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435016/19:38
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mordredsdague: love it19:41
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sdaguestevemar / mordred / lbragstad is there some existing classes to easily fake out keystoneauth1 for testing it in other projects?21:56
sdaguemy use case is writing some sensible unit tests on the nova side for that project_id validate21:56
mordredsdague: I believe there is a fixture in the ksa repo - although I don't use it and just use requests_mock ...21:57
mordredone sec21:57
mordredsdague: pinging morgan21:58
mordredsdague: also, jamielennox21:58
sdagueif you have a good requests_mock pattern, that's cool too21:58
jamielennoxsup?21:58
mordredsdague: I have a good requests_mock pattern, but I do not believe I have an easily reusable requests_mock pattern21:58
sdagueI just realized that in order to test this I need something that looks like a real context21:58
lbragstadhuh - morgan's not here?21:58
mordredjamielennox: sdague's question from above21:58
sdaguethat already had content from keystone21:58
mordredsdague: totes21:59
sdaguejamielennox: context for this is this nova patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/21:59
jamielennoxthe fixtures in ksa create the HTTP responses21:59
jamielennoxso you can combine them with requests-mock to actually do realistic network exchanges21:59
jamielennoxbut we don't have like a mockout that stubs out the whole auth process21:59
sdaguejamielennox: you got a good example of that in use?21:59
jamielennoxit's something i've considered but not had chance to explore22:00
sdagueso I can crib the pattern22:00
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/3/nova/identity.py I was just starting to do unit tests, and it becomes: oh, mock context.get_auth_plugin(), session, also session.get22:01
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sdaguewhich, you know, is what it is, but would love to have a little more of a real simulator for that22:01
mordredmorgan: tl;dr - sdague is working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/22:01
mordredmorgan: 22:01:19           sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/3/nova/identity.py I was just starting to do unit tests, and it becomes: oh, mock context.get_auth_plugin(), session, also session.get22:02
mordredright before you joined22:02
jamielennoxsdague: so creating some real tokens are here: https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/tests/unit/v3/client_fixtures.py#L6622:02
sdagueit's one of those "wrote it in devstack, totally works" oh... unit tests ... god there is a lot I need to build22:02
morganyeah i thought we had some fixtures, maybe we want a nice canned "discovery+auth->token" fixture (requests_mock)22:02
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sdagueyeh, I guess that's really what I would love. Keystone in a box. Here is a json that describes my keystone, including users, and it patches out keystoneauth calls to go through it22:04
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morganbecause we should just provide a nice requests_mock fixture that does that the keystoneauth way.22:04
morgani wouldn't actually patch keystoneauth, just do some mocking so requests is handled.22:04
mordredyup22:04
morganat the socket layer22:04
morganbut we don't have a test fixture like that at the moment22:05
mordredand honestly that would/could make it fairly easy for nova to have unittests that requests_mock out interactions with glance and cinder and neutron22:05
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mordrednope. we need one - it would open up a nice can of usefuleness22:05
sdaguemordred: yeh22:05
morganit shouldn't be too terrible to build22:05
morganit would kill a ton of ick in shade too22:05
mordredmaybe we should find 10 minutes to talk about it next week- spec it out for someone22:05
morganshade tests*22:05
sdaguemordred: ++22:05
morganmordred: sounds like a plan22:05
sdagueyeh, this would be kind of a fun thing to build22:05
mordredcause seriously - requests_mock is the best thing ever22:05
sdagueyeh, it's pretty good22:06
morganthat sounds like something ksa should supply in an optional extra or some such22:06
mordredand even though it's killing morgan right now, its increase in value of shade' sunittests is astronomical22:06
morganthat can be installed for test purposes22:06
morganmordred: i'm still about to drink myself to death22:06
mordredmorgan: ++22:06
mordredmorgan: I know22:06
morganmordred: i'm going to tell Brie to blame you when that happens22:06
mordredmorgan: it's ok - the feeling never goes away - you just slowly start to not notice it22:06
sdagueI still assume you want to actually hook a little higher up into keystoneauth1 so that it understands the idea of services and the like, but maybe I don't quite get the layers22:06
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mordredsdague: nope - you totally just mock out a catalog response22:07
morgansdague: i was actually thinking of giving an interface that lets you specify a catalog (Services et al) and mock out the responses + auth22:07
mordredsdague: so the only thing that winds up being mocked are the requests calls themselves22:07
morganmordred: ++22:07
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sdagueok, because we invent a bunch of hostnames in the catalog?22:07
morganthat way if keystoneauth does something dumb... or a request changes we see it22:07
morgansdague: yep, infact we use example.com for everything in shade22:08
morganand requests_mock just says "oh yah, that URL, here is the actual http response you'd get"22:08
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sdaguemorgan: ok, well, we'd need to do host name separtion right, so that session.get('/v3/foo', ks_filter={service: identity}) knows where to go22:08
sdagueright?22:08
morgansame as if requests did it, just w/o actually doing the socket stuff22:08
sdaguegiven that requests_mock will care22:09
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mordredyup22:09
morganyeah we do identity.example.com for example in shade22:09
sdagueok22:09
jamielennoxsorry trying to do a meeting at the same time22:09
morganthough... we really should do example.com/identity </rant about suburl>22:09
mordredmorgan: we really should22:09
jamielennoxi would be up for a testing only plugin in ksa that would eliminate people needing to know the token exchange dance22:10
mordredBUT - it turns out that doesn't matter for the mechanism22:10
jamielennoxit shouldn't be too hard, just get into it22:10
sdaguemaybe, it mostly doesn't matter, and people use A records all the time for reals22:10
morganmordred: turns out it does, but ... not for this conversation22:10
jamielennoxcan draw up some plans and discuss at PTG22:10
morganyeah i think the quick and dirty is: Talk at the PTG, spec it out, and code it shortly after22:10
sdaguejamielennox: ok, cool, you know what, I'll take some time tomorrow to write up some interface ideas as well22:11
sdagueand we can figure out a time to compare notes22:11
mordredsdague: https://github.com/openstack-infra/shade/blob/master/shade/tests/unit/base.py#L263-L278 and https://github.com/openstack-infra/shade/blob/master/shade/tests/unit/test_flavors.py#L21-L44 ... except morgan just changed our interface here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434516/222:11
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sdagueyep, ok22:11
mordredsdague: but if you look at the base thing you can see the ugly version of doing it - and also where morgan is taking it in that review - in case any of that is useful for context22:11
sdagueok, time to run for the day, but this all seems like it is evolving into an interesting plan22:12
mordred\o/22:12
morganmordred: sigh... still breaking on the QS stuff.22:12
morganmordred: ugh22:12
mordredmorgan: yah22:12
mordredmorgan: well - if it makes you feel any better, my patches broke on nova listing servers22:12
morganmordred: might need to explicitly qs=false22:12
morganerm =true22:12
morganalways22:12
morgani still don't get why it passes sometimes locally22:13
morgans/sometimes/most of the time/22:13
morganmordred: i mean... it passed in py35 and 27, there just not in coverage22:13
jamielennoxsdague: excellent, it's already friday here so discussing it next week is like the earliest to get something out anyway22:13
morganmordred: ... i think there is a bug in requests_mock somewhere ... will need to play "find the bug"22:13
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mordredmorgan: me either - but I also don't understand http://logs.openstack.org/81/434481/4/gate/gate-shade-dsvm-functional-neutron/d30fd89/console.html#_2017-02-16_21_31_47_01063122:14
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jamielennoxoh?22:14
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morganjamielennox: yeah have a test that is failing intermittantly22:14
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morgansomething in how request mock is matching the URI22:14
morgani'll poke at it when i am less ... "OMG PACKING"22:15
jamielennoxmorgan: so the only thing i know of that can be a problem there is sometimes case sensitivity can bit you in funny ways22:15
jamielennoxbut if you're doing fairly static responses it shouldn't be an issue22:16
morganwell, it's qs vs non-qs matching22:16
morganso i think there is something wonky with complete_qs vs non-complete_qs matching22:16
morganand sometimes matchers are picky22:16
morgani am certain if i pass complete_qs in both cases it will work as expected22:16
morganbut that doesn't make for resolving why it sometimes passes and sometimes fails22:17
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morganwhich shouldn't ever be the case if the same matcher is registered each time22:17
morgansame matchers* in the same order22:17
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morgananyway, worth chasing down. i'm sure it'll be some edge case thing.22:18
jamielennoxso case sensitivity in qs is where the bug is, there's a workaround if you think that might be it22:18
morganexcecpt we're using static qs keys with uuid.uuid4().hex22:18
jamielennoxi'm not sure why complete vs non-complete would be a problem22:18
morganit should be always LC22:18
morganlike i said, i'll poke at it22:19
morgani have an idea where the issue is22:19
jamielennoxmorgan: yea, anyway it's complete vs non-complete is something i've used, but not heavily so let me know what you find22:19
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morganjust need to focus on getting packed so i can get on a plane tomorrow22:19
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morganmordred: also, delta wont upgrade brie because she didn't have medallion status and I did a non-full-priced-fare. the companion upgrade is ... absurd.22:20
morganmordred: made me sad22:20
mordredmorgan: yah22:21
morganmordred: had to have them un-upgrade me becaus ei cou;dn't do it myself, hours on the phone. but hey got $70 voucher for the next flight.22:21
morgan*eyeroll*22:21
mordredmorgan: it's super frustrating the way they do it all22:21
* morgan needs to remember to file expense report for airplane ticket tomorrow.22:21
mordredmorgan: oh - do you need to put complete_qs on the one without a qs too?22:21
morganmordred: i bet that will make it consistent22:21
mordred(this may be an argument in favor of just defaulting it to true always22:21
morganmordred: but i expect there is a deeper issue at play22:22
morgani think we'll run into issues setting it true always actually22:22
morganbuuuutttt....22:22
morgangive me a day or two to debug.22:22
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morgani think i know what is going on, just needs a little tweaking.22:23
* morgan would like to not need to specify complete_qs in all cases unless its the only option22:23
mordredmorgan: ++22:24
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