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| gema | where is the meeting today? | 16:00 |
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| gema | nevermind found it | 16:01 |
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| catherineD | o/ | 16:59 |
| eglute_s | o/ | 16:59 |
| catherineD | topic is vendor information .. | 17:00 |
| eglute_s | ok | 17:00 |
| catherineD | so in RefStack vendor will be of type private, official , and few other internal vendor types | 17:01 |
| eglute_s | ok | 17:01 |
| catherineD | the intention is if a vendor is of type official ... anyone (including aninymous users) can list vendors | 17:01 |
| markvoelker | with you so far | 17:02 |
| catherineD | the question is what information should be list ... or more important what information should not be listed for anonymous users | 17:02 |
| catherineD | should we list ...creator? date created? date updated? | 17:03 |
| catherineD | of course all information will be listed for the users belong to the vendor | 17:03 |
| eglute_s | is this for results? | 17:03 |
| eglute_s | or vendor info? | 17:03 |
| catherineD | no this is for vendor info | 17:03 |
| eglute_s | i think updated is good | 17:04 |
| eglute_s | the date updated | 17:04 |
| catherineD | how about create date? | 17:04 |
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| eglute_s | i think both date created and date updated are good | 17:05 |
| markvoelker | I don't see any real harm in including it, but I'm also not sure I see a real use case for anyone needing it. | 17:05 |
| eglute_s | if i had to pick one, i would pick updated | 17:05 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: the vendor admin may need those info for internal checking .. | 17:05 |
| eglute_s | right, i think both dates would show if there is any activity for that particular vendor | 17:06 |
| catherineD | for vendor users .. all info will be listed ... | 17:06 |
| markvoelker | Oh, wait...let me make sure we're talking about the same thing here. =) | 17:06 |
| catherineD | the linited info is only applicable to anonyous user | 17:06 |
| markvoelker | When you say "vendor info" here, you're talking about information pertaining to the vendor entity? Like, say, the company name, link to it's website, that sort of thing? | 17:07 |
| markvoelker | Or you're talking about information about users affiliated with that vendor? (assuming that a vendor admin is making the call here) | 17:07 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: yes vendor infor only not user of the vendor | 17:08 |
| catherineD | but on vendor infor ... we log we created the vendor (creator) and the date the vendor is created .. | 17:08 |
| markvoelker | Ok. So in that case I guess I'm still not sure of the use case for fetching either of those by an anonymous user really. | 17:09 |
| catherineD | s/we log we /we log who/ | 17:09 |
| markvoelker | It again seems like something that a refstack admin/foundation staff might care about | 17:09 |
| markvoelker | But not really the causual user | 17:09 |
| markvoelker | So I'm sort of inclined to err on the side of keeping it private until we have a real use case for exposing it. | 17:10 |
| * markvoelker may just have a tin foil hat on today | 17:10 | |
| catherineD | markvoelker: the thoughts is RefStack will create one more tab next the the "community results" tab today with a list of vendors | 17:10 |
| catherineD | or the question should be : should we even need this tab? | 17:11 |
| eglute_s | i think it is ok to list vendors for anonymous users, as well as updated info. Unless Vendors can choose to be invisible or not listed? | 17:11 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: yeah, that's fine. But I'm not sure why that tab would show things like the date the vendor entity was created in RefStack. Or why it should show the last time the vendor's info was updated | 17:11 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: that is my question :-) | 17:11 |
| eglute_s | it is definitely NOT a high priority right now for us | 17:12 |
| markvoelker | The company name, website, stuff like that seems fine...the date it was created/updated in refstack doesn't seem useful | 17:12 |
| catherineD | I can see vendor admin need that .. | 17:12 |
| catherineD | but not other users | 17:12 |
| markvoelker | +1 | 17:12 |
| eglute_s | +1 | 17:13 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: more important ... is are these data (create date, creator, update date) private or public | 17:13 |
| markvoelker | My general line of thought is: unless there's a use case for making it public, leave it private. | 17:13 |
| catherineD | for UI we can limited the data display ... but for REST API should we also limit those data by user roles (foundation, vendor user ...) | 17:14 |
| eglute_s | creator should be private | 17:14 |
| eglute_s | dates, dont matter much i think | 17:14 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: limiting by user roles makes sense. I'll leave the question of whether it's a seperate API or a different response to the same API based on role to you. =) | 17:15 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: that is my thought ... data privacy is important ... it is better to be conservative ... but that means more work for RefStack at the API level.... but I think we should be careful with data | 17:15 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: agreed | 17:15 |
| eglute_s | +1 | 17:15 |
| catherineD | I guess that we agree that creator is private | 17:16 |
| eglute_s | +1 | 17:16 |
| catherineD | create date and update date can be public but not useful? | 17:16 |
| eglute_s | well, updated i think is useful, but not high priority | 17:17 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: I'd just leave them private, following that "leave it private unless there's a good reason to expose it" mantra | 17:17 |
| eglute_s | same with created. | 17:17 |
| eglute_s | i am ok with either approach | 17:17 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: ++++ | 17:17 |
| eglute_s | dates show how "stale" something is, so i like that | 17:17 |
| catherineD | ok I got it ... Thank you so much for staying overtime for this discussion | 17:18 |
| markvoelker | Maybe it would be helpful to draw up an etherpad or a spec listing out what you're thinking about exposing to each role? That way we could discuss specifics more easily. | 17:18 |
| eglute_s | any time. glad to help | 17:18 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: yes we have specs .. I will do some clean up ... | 17:19 |
| markvoelker | eglute_s: I guess staleness depends on the data though. E.g. if the info being updated is stuff like company name and website...well, a company like IBM isn't likely to need to do that much, so "staleness" doesn't really indicate anything. =) | 17:19 |
| eglute_s | very true! | 17:19 |
| markvoelker | That's why I'm thinking it'd be easier to discuss specifics. | 17:19 |
| eglute_s | agreed | 17:19 |
| catherineD | for users https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277313/ | 17:19 |
| catherineD | for vendor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274837/ | 17:20 |
| catherineD | will ping you for review after I clean up per our discussion today | 17:20 |
| eglute_s | thanks catherineD! | 17:20 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: that'd be great. Thanks! | 17:20 |
| catherineD | Thank you sooooooo much! | 17:20 |
| catherineD | bye | 17:20 |
| eglute_s | bye! | 17:21 |
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