Thursday, 2016-11-03

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aohuanxuanerlon-airlong: Hey!02:45
aohuanxuanerlon-airlong: I think we have met in the summit, I am the one doing cinder commands in OSC, my name is Huanxuan Ao, sorry to contact you late, I am a little busy these days.02:45
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openstackgerritGuy Kim proposed openstack/cinder: ITRI DISCO cinder volume driver  https://review.openstack.org/34710002:53
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supamattSo I have a problem here with devices coming back after a deletion, I think the SAN device I have isn't unmapping the devices fast enough and they come back during a rescan in os-brick03:10
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aohuanxuanerlon-airlong: I have read the list created by stevemar, it is a wonderful list, I think we can do our work follow it!03:37
aohuanxuanstevemar: Could you please add me in the doc?: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18ZtWC75BNCwFqLfFpCGGJ9uPVBvUXX0xuXP1yYG0NDA/edit?usp=sharing03:39
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aohuanxuanstevermar: Maybe it need a gmail, my gmail is aohuanxuan@gmail.com03:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-cinderclient: Fix help message for 'type-list' command  https://review.openstack.org/39211004:19
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openstackgerritYves-Zhang proposed openstack/cinder: Ceph backup driver:delete the 'backup snapshot' for target volume  https://review.openstack.org/39264604:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: To fix miscellaneous bugs in OVOs  https://review.openstack.org/39199604:52
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openstackgerritGuy Kim proposed openstack/cinder: ITRI DISCO cinder volume driver  https://review.openstack.org/34710005:23
openstackgerritSam Morrison proposed openstack/cinder: Remove authorisation checks at the DB level for quota operations  https://review.openstack.org/39309205:24
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openstackgerritSam Morrison proposed openstack/cinder: Remove authorisation checks at the DB level for quota operations  https://review.openstack.org/39309206:40
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openstackgerritSam Morrison proposed openstack/cinder: Remove authorisation checks at the DB level for quota operations  https://review.openstack.org/39309206:48
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openstackgerritSam Morrison proposed openstack/cinder: Remove authorisation checks at the DB level for quota operations  https://review.openstack.org/39309206:59
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openstackgerritxianming.mao proposed openstack/cinder: Use method is_valid_boolstr from oslo_utils  https://review.openstack.org/38572107:45
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openstackgerritxianming.mao proposed openstack/cinder: Use method is_valid_boolstr from oslo_utils  https://review.openstack.org/38572107:58
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markus_zIt looks like os-brick versino 1.7.0 doesn't pass some of the unit tests in cinder: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392244/108:58
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markus_zTo be precise, these two: http://paste.openstack.org/show/587621/08:59
markus_zos-brick 1.7.0 was supposed to resolve the blocking issue for the IBM s390x CI09:00
markus_zCould anyone from the Cinder folks maybe have a look at it? I'm at a workshop this week and have little time.09:00
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xyzzyz_hello i am new here and want to contribute to openstack. I have recently seen that link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Internship_ideas so I want to know where to apply for these projects.09:24
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xyzzyz_hello i am new here and want to contribute to openstack. I have recently seen that link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Internship_ideas so I want to know where to apply for these projects.09:37
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markus_zI summarized the issue I described 1 hour ago in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-brick/+bug/163886110:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1638861 in os-brick "os-brick 1.7.0 breaks 2 unit tests in cinder" [Undecided,New]10:02
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openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Make Image Volume Cache cluster aware  https://review.openstack.org/38618610:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Make c-vol use workers table for cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/30302110:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Add more operations to cluster  https://review.openstack.org/35596810:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Support A/A on Scheduler operations  https://review.openstack.org/34422610:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: [PoC][Don't review] Testing delay  https://review.openstack.org/35306910:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Support A/A in attach/detach operations  https://review.openstack.org/31857310:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Allow triggering cleanup from API  https://review.openstack.org/36301010:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Support A/A in delete actions and get_capabilities  https://review.openstack.org/34422510:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Make Replication support Active-Active  https://review.openstack.org/38183510:33
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Cosmetic changes to scheduler  https://review.openstack.org/34604110:33
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sheelgeguileo:  patch flood... :)10:48
geguileolol10:48
TommyLikeHu__waiting for the next wave10:48
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circ-user-KkYYiI have made openstack setup with glusterfs for cinder backend which is mounted in /var/lib/cinder/volumes.. When i tried to create volumes, volume is getting created. But when i checked in /var/lib/cinder/volumes. It shows two volumes with root:root permissions.. Is it not cinder:cinder11:10
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circ-user-co9JLI have made openstack setup with glusterfs for cinder backend which is mounted in /var/lib/cinder/volumes.. When i tried to create volumes, volume is getting created. But when i checked in /var/lib/cinder/volumes. It shows two volumes with root:root permissions.. Is it not cinder:cinder11:15
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circ-user-co9JLhi all, whether tgt is needed if i use gluster as backend for cinder???11:16
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circ-user-co9JLhi all, whether tgt is needed if i use gluster as backend for cinder???11:33
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TommyLikeHu__circ-user-co9JL: what is tgt12:12
circ-user-co9JLLinux SCSI target framework (tgt) aims to simplify various SCSI target driver (iSCSI, Fibre Channel, SRP, etc) creation and maintenance.12:13
TommyLikeHu__thanks~12:13
flip214CRITICAL nova    ValueError: Invalid InitiatorConnector protocol specified DISCO12:15
TommyLikeHu__hey any guys would like to take a look at the optimise patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379255/ ?12:15
flip214is that something to do with brick?12:15
flip214ERROR nova   File "/opt/stack/os-brick/os_brick/initiator/connector.py", line 261, in factoryERROR nova   File "/opt/stack/os-brick/os_brick/initiator/connector.py", line 261, in factory      raise ValueError(msg)12:15
TommyLikeHu__flip214: I bet you're right12:16
flip214TommyLikeHu__: thanks. but is that a temporary openstack problem, a configuration error, a bug, ...?12:17
flip214can't find DISCO in any configuration file12:18
TommyLikeHu__flip214: sorry I am not familiar with this either :(12:19
flip214oh, never mind.12:19
flip214os-brick is too old12:19
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TommyLikeHu__flip214: what's your time zone and full name? it seems quite quiet now12:23
TommyLikeHu__if you don't mind12:23
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circ-user-co9JLcinder service-list results in following error  ERROR: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'get'13:23
circ-user-co9JLpls guide13:23
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circ-user-co9JL  cinder service-list results in following error  ERROR: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'get'13:39
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openstackgerritEric Harney proposed openstack/cinder: Fix releasenotes job  https://review.openstack.org/39332113:43
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openstackgerritEric Harney proposed openstack/cinder: Cascade + force volume delete parameters  https://review.openstack.org/33781413:45
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flip214hemna: do you have a hint for me? Nova dies for me with13:59
flip214nova ValueError: Invalid InitiatorConnector protocol specified DISCO13:59
flip214File "/opt/stack/os-brick/os_brick/initiator/connector.py", line 261, in factory13:59
flip214devstack, checked that the git repos are uptodate13:59
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johnthetubaguyflip214: any chance nova is looking for "disco"? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/ad695a2691abe2aaadbb29ee970de4ba8a74824d/nova/virt/libvirt/volume/disco.py#L4814:03
flip214johnthetubaguy: possibly, yes. But I wouldn't know why, "grep -ri DISCO /etc" comes up empty14:04
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flip214johnthetubaguy: my nova checkout has a ./nova/virt/libvirt/volume/disco.py... does that interfere?14:06
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duleksmcginnis: Hi! What's the driver deadline for Ocata? I can't recall that being decided at the summit and I cannot see deadline in the recap email.14:11
smcginnisdulek: November 14th, the O-2 milestone:14:12
smcginnishttps://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html14:13
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TommyLikeHu__dulek: can you take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379255/ ?14:20
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dulekTommyLikeHu__: I don't think I'll be able to look right away, but tab open.14:26
dulekopened14:26
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pawHi, can someone review this: https://review.openstack.org/391291 ? (thanks in advance)14:29
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openstackgerritSean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder: Mock volume create for LVM migration tests  https://review.openstack.org/39334414:31
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openstackgerritMarkus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack/cinder: Fix unit tests for LVM migration with os-brick 1.7.0  https://review.openstack.org/39334914:42
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mdovgalHi, guys.Could somebody explain me. As i understood, for user, that has admin privileges, all operations with db api will be executed without checking his project_id? (for example, getting type-list. he will get all volume_types, even private, despite the fact that he doesn't relate to that project, which owns some private volume types). Is it normal behavior?14:44
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markus_zsmcginnis: I've seen you also have a patch for bug 1638861. I wasn't aware of that when proposing my patch. I have no strong feelings which should be favored. Feel free to abandon my patch if it doesn't fit.14:46
openstackbug 1638861 in Cinder "os-brick 1.7.0 breaks 2 unit tests in cinder" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638861 - Assigned to Markus Zoeller (markus_z) (mzoeller)14:46
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TommyLikeHu__dulek: any time welcomed :)14:47
smcginnismarkus_z: Oh, I didn't see you had something up. Do you have a link?14:47
markus_zsmcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393349/14:48
markus_z^ to the best of my belief. I haven't done much in Cinder.14:48
pawsmcginnis: Thanks for your review (391291), I just read your comment. So, in this case, if I'm not querying nova, in the case of a force delete and the volume is attached, I'm thinking of modifying it to drop the nova queries and log that the volume is attached and then delete is, does that sound reasonable?14:49
markus_zYou were a few minutes faster than me :)14:49
smcginnismarkus_z: That works too. I can just abandon mine.14:49
markus_zsmcginnis: Whatever fits for Cinder (and merges fast)14:50
smcginnismarkus_z: +1 ;)14:50
markus_zawesome, thanks :)14:51
smcginnispaw: That sounds better, thanks!14:51
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markus_zsmcginnis: out of curiosity, is there a test job which tests cinder with os-brick master? I'm wondering how this bug could slip through.15:17
smcginnismarkus_z: I think we have a gap there.15:18
smcginnismarkus_z: We have some third party CI's that run with os-brick master, but that's just tempest tests, not unit tests.15:18
smcginnismarkus_z: And since this was only a unit test failure, we only see it once raising u-c.15:19
smcginnismarkus_z: Which is probably fine. The patch to raise that runs the unit tests, so we can see if anything needs to be updated before we actually raise it.15:19
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Should I +A that?15:20
waj334Does anybody know whether or not v3 cinder api support is a priority for the Openstack client?15:20
smcginnisjungleboyj: Yeah, I think that would be good to get that through. Thanks!15:21
markus_zsmcginnis: I see. I had the assumption that there is a check before creating a new release of os-brick.15:21
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Also need to figure out why storwize CI is failing.  *Sigh*15:21
smcginnismarkus_z: Apparently not for unit tests for consuming projects. :/15:21
markus_zsmcginnis: But as you explained, living with that gap is probably an acceptable thing.15:21
smcginnisjungleboyj: CI's are fun! :)15:21
jungleboyjBingo!15:22
smcginniswaj334: I don't so yet, though it really should be.15:22
smcginniswaj334: That's now our officially supported API version, though most consumers using osc probably are not there yet.15:22
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openstackgerritTom Swanson proposed openstack/cinder: Dell SC: Live Volumes not cleaned up  https://review.openstack.org/38467515:24
waj33410:22 AMĀ <@smcginnis> Maybe this is something us Cinder guys at OSIC can work on15:24
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jungleboyjOur CI is failing due to an SQLAlchemy requirement conflict?15:28
jungleboyjWTF.15:28
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SwansonAnyone want to take a peek at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392234/ One +2 already! Jenkins and (shockingly) the Dell CI have passed it!15:29
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jungleboyjSwanson: Are you coming out to play on Monday?15:30
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SwansonNope. Mondays are for my manager to badger me.15:30
jungleboyj*Sigh* Then I am not looking.  ;-)15:31
SwansonDamn.15:31
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jungleboyjSwanson: I suppose I will make an exception this time.15:32
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Swansonjungleboyj, Thanks! It's like two lines. :)15:32
jungleboyjI know.  +A'd15:32
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Swansonjungleboyj, Excellent! Thanks! smcginnis: buy the man an espresso on monday.15:34
jungleboyj:-)  Now you are talking!15:34
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diablo_rojojungleboyj: Swanson doesn't want to come play with us because then we would all know that he's secretly a robot.15:40
* jungleboyj is shocked15:40
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jungleboyjdiablo_rojo: That explains so much!15:40
Swansondiablo_rojo, my other job is a twitter bot.15:40
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diablo_rojoSwanson, the truth comes out..15:44
xyangdiablo_rojo: robot can look like a human though, so you may still not be able to tell even if you see him:)15:44
diablo_rojoxyang, too true15:44
diablo_rojoSwanson, are you a cyborg?!?15:45
SwansonIf I made an "other barry" joke here would anyone get it?15:45
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jgriffithSwanson: :)15:47
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mdovgalGuys, who have some free minutes me to help?15:51
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Note sent to storwize team on CI failing.15:58
jungleboyjmdovgal: What can we do?15:58
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mdovgaljungleboyj: I want to clarify for myself cinder's behavior for user with admin privileges16:06
jungleboyjmdovgal: Ok, I can try to help.16:06
mdovgalIs it normal behavior, that for admin operations with db api will be executed without checking his project_id? (for example, getting type-list. he will get all volume_types, even private, despite the fact that he doesn't relate to that project, which owns some private volume types).16:07
jungleboyjmdovgal: Yes, I believe that is normal.  The admin is supposed to be able to see all of the volume_types and work with them.16:08
jungleboyjvolume_types are designed to be managed by the administrator, so he needs to see all of them.16:08
jungleboyjUsers are scoped so that the admin can control who has access to what volume_types.16:09
duleksmcginnis: Hey, you've written Nov 14th, but it's actually Dec 14th. :D I've just realized that.16:10
dulek(talking about driver deadline for Ocata)16:10
openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Fix releasenotes job  https://review.openstack.org/39332116:10
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mdovgaljungleboyj, and for some project admin can create volume with private type from other project? As i understood, the users will see volume with that type that the can't create by their own16:16
mdovgalsorry, maybe i misunderstand something in the logic of users and projects16:16
smcginnisdulek: Oops! Guess I'm trying to make this cycle even shorter than it already is. :)16:16
duleksmcginnis: I've terrified some people by passing that info. Fun thing to do. ;)16:17
smcginnishehe16:17
jungleboyjmdovgal: No, I think that is right.  An admin can create a volume_type that is private from other projects.16:17
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mdovgaljungleboyj, so this bug even actually not a bug?) it's just a normal cinder's behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/163754916:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1637549 in Cinder "Private volume types are not working for multi tenancy" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Michael Dovgal (mdovgal)16:23
mdovgaljungleboyj, thank you16:24
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openstackgerritMichal Dulko proposed openstack/cinder: WIP: Upgrade procedure documentation  https://review.openstack.org/39339516:29
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jungleboyjmdovgal: Welcome.16:34
hemnadoink16:38
Swansonholy hell a hemna sighting!16:38
hemnaphew16:38
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hemnayes, I'm still alive16:38
hemnabarely16:38
jungleboyjYay!16:39
SwansonWalmart greeter?16:39
SwansonEscaped the ex wife's basement?16:40
SwansonWhat great tales and new new jobs do you have?16:40
hemnaI'm not exactly free from that troll yet, but soon.....16:43
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waj334What's the difference between cinder v2 and v#?16:44
waj334v3?16:44
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scottdawaj334: There is no difference between v2 and v3 version 3.0, except that v3 3.0 is microversion aware...16:45
hemnaI guess I should start doing reviews again16:45
hemnahow's that 3PAR CI going.... ?16:45
scottdawaj334: But as we added new features, they go to v3 and get a microversion16:45
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scottdawaj334: The new changes are all in cinder/api/v3/* modules16:46
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waj334Is there a list somewhere that details any new functionality that will be added in the future?16:47
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hemnawaj334, cinder-specs is a good first start16:48
scottdawaj334: cinder/api/openstack/rest_api_version_history.rst16:48
hemnawaj334, also might look at the launchpad blueprints16:48
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waj334Just to be clear, as features are added the microversion will just increase, right?16:53
scottdawaj334: Yes, that's correct.16:54
waj334Nevermind just re-read what scottda just said16:54
scottdawaj334: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/devref/api_microversion_dev.html16:54
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scottdawaj334: Here's a presentation we gave on microversions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7KdNiuf2f9s16:59
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Fix unit tests for LVM migration with os-brick 1.7.0  https://review.openstack.org/39334917:19
openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Dell SC: Error creating snapshots with live volume  https://review.openstack.org/39223417:20
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Did you see the e-mail about needing to use bindep now?17:46
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smcginnisjungleboyj: No, not yet. On the ML?18:01
jungleboyjYeah.18:01
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/os-brick: Multipath device keeps old size when extending volume  https://review.openstack.org/35332518:04
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openstackgerritAmy Fong proposed openstack/cinder: Modify force-delete to query nova for attachments  https://review.openstack.org/39129118:12
smcginnisjungleboyj: bindep looks like it could be pretty useful.18:14
jungleboyjYeah ... seems like a decent change.18:14
pawsmcginnis: updated https://review.openstack.org/391291 not to use nova, thanks!18:17
smcginnispaw: Great!18:17
smcginnispaw: Could you update the commit message? I don't think that's accurate now.18:17
pawsmcginnis: d'oh18:18
smcginnis:)18:18
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geguileosmcginnis: Thanks for the +A on the AA patch18:27
geguileosmcginnis: I was wondering, should we prevent any driver from working in A/A until the maintainers confirm that driver is ready?18:27
openstackgerritAmy Fong proposed openstack/cinder: Modify force-delete to query nova for attachments  https://review.openstack.org/39129118:28
smcginnisgeguileo: Hmm, that's not a bad idea.18:28
geguileosmcginnis: Otherwise we may end up with people deploying in A/A drivers that are not ready18:28
pawsmcginnis: updated, sorry for the delay18:28
smcginnisgeguileo: What are the driver dependencies? Just test validation?18:28
geguileoOk, I'll write a patch for that, it should be simple enough18:30
geguileosmcginnis: Yeah, that they submit a patch changing an instance attribute and a release note18:30
geguileosmcginnis: It's mostly "self certification"18:30
geguileosmcginnis: At least it's what I was thinking18:30
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smcginnisgeguileo: Want to add that to next weeks meeting agenda? Might be good for everyone to discuss.18:33
geguileosmcginnis: Ok18:33
geguileosmcginnis: And I'll prepare a patch so it's easier to follow what I mean18:33
smcginnis+118:34
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openstackgerritAmy Fong proposed openstack/cinder: Modify force-delete to delete attached volumes  https://review.openstack.org/39129118:36
pawsmcginnis: sorry, now it's really updated (forgot the first line)18:37
hemnabinder ?18:41
hemnabindep?18:41
smcginnishemna: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/bindep/18:44
smcginnishemna: Sounds kind of good from my 2 second understanding of it. requirements.txt for distro binaries I think.18:45
hemnaah that would be nice18:45
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hemnaos-brick has some18:45
hemnaI'll have to look into adding that for brick18:45
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hemnasmcginnis, since I wasn't at BCN, do we have any notes/videos on the discussion for supporting drivers for older releases?18:46
hemnaI need to get caught back up18:46
smcginnishemna: Funny you ask...18:47
smcginnishemna: Just working on that now in infra and release channels.18:47
jungleboyj:-)18:47
hemnaok18:47
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smcginnishemna: I believe we had agreement on having branches side by side with stable/mitaka that we would keep around and allow driver bug fixes only.18:47
hemnaI'm guessing at some point here, I'm going to be hacking on our drivers here at IBM, so I'm curious how it's all going to work18:48
smcginnisNo guarantee that the whole thing will actually run.18:48
smcginnisJust somewhere to put the fixes.18:48
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++18:48
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hemnadidn't we already try that idea w/ infra and they pooped on it ?18:48
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smcginnisWill need at least like a pep8 or a no-op job to run against the patches, but that's about it.18:48
smcginnishemna: No, I think what I tried last time was to just open up stable/mitaka, and that definitely did not fly.18:49
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smcginnishemna: I think part of getting this OK with everyone was making it very clear we were not trying to change stable policy.18:49
hemnaah ok18:49
hemnaI thought we had proposed a stable/mitaka-fixes name or something like that18:50
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hemnaanyway, I think we had many ideas floating around18:50
smcginnishemna: Yeah, I think we're basically with what we had discussed in Ft Collins. Just finally able to explain our intentions a little better I think (hope).18:51
hemnasweet18:51
hemnaman that really would be a huge win for a lot of reasons to get this blessed.18:51
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smcginnishemna: +118:52
smcginnishemna: I'll be really happy if we get this in place. And I'm sure there are quite a few others that will be too.18:52
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hemnayah, it's been a long time coming.18:53
hemnadon't neutron drivers have the same problem?18:53
hemnaor...not because they are out of tree18:53
smcginnishemna: Yeah, they're basically all out of tree now.18:53
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openstackgerritAdriano Freires Rosso proposed openstack/cinder: HNAS: Add list manageable volume/snapshots  https://review.openstack.org/38820319:06
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Make c-vol use workers table for cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/30302119:10
openstackgerritGoutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/cinder: NetApp ONTAP: Deprecate 7-mode driver  https://review.openstack.org/39345019:10
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openstackgerritTom Swanson proposed openstack/cinder: Dell SC: Minor cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/39345619:23
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openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: [PoC] Prevent Active-Active on drivers by default  https://review.openstack.org/39346019:25
_MoonWolf_I have some trouble with cinder. In my setup i have 1 controller node and 1 windows compute/storage node with smbfs.WindowsSmbfsDriver. loaded. Now if i try to do "cinder create 1" on the controller the volume gets stuck in creating state and no logs what so ever shows up in cinder-scheduler.log nor on the cinder-volume logs.19:26
_MoonWolf_If i do "cinder service-list" all shows ok and they are in the same zone. anyone has a clue of what i am doing wrong?. If i create a volume type with wrong backend errors show up in the cinder-scheduler.log19:26
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paweharney, smcginnis: Hi, saw the comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391291/ (force-delete/attached volumes). So just to clarify, the preferred approach is to use - cinder reset-state --state .... ?19:37
eharneypaw: you may have to use cinder reset-state --attach-status <...>  but yes19:38
eharneys/yes/sort of/19:39
paweharney: k thanks. sorry, I should have asked after your first comment on the review19:39
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raroraHi, found a potential security issue and would be happy to resolve. Is the best process to go ahead and create a launchpad defect first, or would you like to discuss it first?19:45
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waj334Is the cinder v2 api microversion aware like v3 or just aware enough to detect a functionality in an unsupported version of  the api?19:48
eharneyrarora: please create a private security bug on launchpad, initial discussion will be in private there so the details aren't distributed publicly19:49
scottdawaj334: /v2 api is not microversion aware19:49
raroraeharney: thanks, will do!19:50
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waj334scottda: gotcha. I'm just trying understand as much as I can so I write up a blueprint to support cinder v3 in the openstack client. From my current understanding, all of v2 functionality should just be moved over to v319:52
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scottdawaj334: Yes, that's about right. But the openstack client will have to be microversion aware to accommodate the new featrues beyond microversion 3.019:54
scottdawaj334: It seems you've already observed that cinderclient v2 just imports from v3.19:55
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andreinHello, are volume snapshots supported using the glusterfs backend?19:57
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eharneyandrein: they were, but the glusterfs backend has been removed in Ocata19:58
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andreineharney: is there an alternative?19:59
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waj334scottda: Yes, I've taken a look at the v2 stuff. So the openstack client would pretty much need to know the minimum version at which a feature was implemented to include in the http header?20:01
eharneyandrein: Cinder supports a lot of backends, it's hard to recommend an alternative in general without a lot more info20:02
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scottdawaj334: Well, there are a couple of ways to do it. Currently in cinder we require the user to choose the server API microversion they want to use :20:03
scottda--os-volume-api-version 3.1220:03
scottdawaj334: Wheras manilaclient does an auto-negotiation between client and server to find the highest supported version of both.20:04
andreineharney: basically, we need something that supports snapshots and HA, our storage needs are pretty modest (maybe a dozen TB?)20:04
scottdawaj334: We don't currently have a mechanism where a particular feature automatically includes the proper api version when that feature is used.20:05
scottdawaj334: And really, for OSC a broader conversation should be had for microversions, since they are used by several services, and each (nova, cinder, manila, ironic) are all used differently.20:06
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scottdawaj334: I'd be happy to help with these conversations. And best to include other services representatives20:07
imcsk8andrein: you can use ceph, in my experience it's more comfortable than gluster (it's easier to recover from a problem)20:07
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andreinimcsk8: It also requires more hardware than we have available for this :)20:08
eharneyandrein: Ceph RBD is what we (at Red Hat) recommend our Gluster users move to20:08
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eharney(for Cinder usage)20:08
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waj334scottda: Is there some sort of versioning api already in place to help figure out which microversion an api call may exist in?20:09
andreinthanks for the info eharney, I'll look into ceph20:09
scottdawaj334: No, there isn't. The user would have to know when a feature/api was added20:09
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scottdawaj334: There is code in cinderclient help so that you see the features available for the given version you input (with --os-volume-api-version <version>)20:11
scottdawaj334: But that versioned help feature is controversial.20:11
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scottdawaj334: There is an argument that the help should indicate which microversion is needed for a feature/api20:11
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scottdawaj334: I think the entire subject should be brought up at a OSC meeting. There's a few different ways to do it, and likely to be some strong opinions20:13
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waj334scottda: It would be nice to have that auto-negotiation feature so that things more easier to use with less confusion.20:14
scottdawaj334: Yes, it seems like the way to go, and I'm planning on putting it in the cinderclient. But, that doesn't guarantee that a feature is available on the server, even if you ask for it...20:15
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scottdawaj334: For example, if we added 'messages' api in Version 3.3 and the cinderclient/OSC supports up to 3.8, a user might try to use that API....20:17
scottdawaj334: But if the server only supported to version 3.2, it would auto-negotiate to 3.2 and the commands would not work.20:17
waj334scottda: Unless I'm just underestimating the complexness of the subject, but if info about each command was stored somewhere in a database or whatever then the client could just query against it and find out the microversion20:18
scottdawaj334: Sure, there are ways to store and get the info. But it's currently not being done by anyone to my knowledge...20:19
scottdawaj334: And it probably will take some discussion to determine if and how this should be done.20:19
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waj334scottda: Do you think this should be supported by each project individually or should some new mechanism that could be used by all services be put in place?20:28
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scottdawaj334: I believe it would be good for the OSC to have one mechanism for using microversions, as well as how the version was chosen (auto-negotiate, user input, or both), as well as how the "help" worked, etc20:35
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waj334scottda: I can see it being very easy implement this in the OSC by just version info to each command. The OSC can just check to see which version of a service is running and then compare that to the version number set in the command to see if can be called or not.20:44
waj334scottda: I don't know how this could be done for curl api calls tho20:47
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eharneysmcginnis: i thought at the summit we decided we needed pep8 and unit tests for the driverfixes branch?  (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393481/)20:48
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smcginniseharney: We had talked about the need of having something run in order for things to work.20:51
smcginniseharney: Talking through on infra, we were just going to start with a noop job.20:51
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eharneysmcginnis: hmm, is just pep8 not noop enough?20:52
smcginniseharney: It's a bit more overhead.20:52
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hemnafinally got a packer repo working that stands up 16.04 correctly and installs devstack and all it's deps.23:24
hemnahttps://github.com/hemna/packer-devstack-vagrant23:24
hemnafor anyone interested23:24
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