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winston-1smcginnis, jgriffith, DuncanT: Sorry I wasn't there for today's meeting.  And I've read the logs for removing QoS specs.00:12
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jgriffithwinston-d: cool00:12
winston-dI'm not sure I understand the actual benefit/jusitification for doing that.00:13
winston-dLooks like Mike's intention is to remove some of the contrib API, QoS spec manage being one.00:13
winston-dIs that the actual motivation of this?00:13
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jgriffithwinston-d: probably not much.  But the idea was raised because he's received feedback that having two ways of doing this is "confusing" for users00:14
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jgriffithwinston-d: I won't speak for him though because I could be mistaken  thingee ^^00:14
winston-dI'm sorry for not following the part 'having two ways'.00:14
jgriffithwinston-d: extra-specs00:14
winston-dAlso, apology for being so late, this is probably not a good timing for most US folks.  I can catch up with you guys tomorrow morning your time.00:15
jgriffithwinston-d: no worries; probably best to talk with xyang, thingee, smcginnis and DuncanT though.00:16
jgriffithwinston-d: I think they have stronger opinions on this than I do00:16
winston-djgriffith: yes, volume types has extra-specs already, but the official meaning to deal with QoS related stuff is qos specs.00:16
jgriffithwinston-d: well then that settles that :)00:17
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winston-djgriffith: i just went through my old patches. My original implementation was adding QoS support to VolumeTypes (literly part of VolumeTypes and Type ExtraSpecs - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29737/15..16/cinder/api/contrib/types_extra_specs.py), and the QoS became part of volume type (ie. tightly coupled with types); then you and I (maybe DuncanT also) had discussion and decided to treat00:45
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winston-dQoS a standalone entity that can be managed separately via API, more importantly, this design had the potential to allow QoS to be associated with individual volume rather than volume types.  So I changed my implementation to current design since patchset 16. And that's how things end up with.00:45
jgriffithwinston-d: yeah, thanks for going back through all of that00:46
jgriffithwinston-d: so FTR I just support both and have no problem moving forward with one over the other.  Xyang just dropped the extra-specs support method in her driver and only does QoS Specs now00:46
winston-dI am not sure if anybody still interested in implementing fine-tuning QoS for individual volumes, but I do believe current implmenetation has the benefit of: 1) decoupling QoS and other entity; allowing admin to have better/easier control of QoS; 2) QoS can be associacted with newer entity now, for example, generic volume groups.00:48
jgriffithwinston-d: so the groups is what had me interested in it in the first place00:49
jgriffithwinston-d: and that's a really great point00:50
winston-dGrouping a bunch of volumes and set QoS to them is interesting and very flexible.00:50
jgriffithwinston-d: I've also talked previously that I liked the concept of a set of specs for a parent group as well, but I think folks hate the idea :)00:50
winston-dHaving interface (API for amdin) to control QoS is really beneiftial for enterprise workloads/storage system.00:51
jgriffithwinston-d: most likely because I've never been able to explain it clearly enough maybe00:51
jgriffithwinston-d: yeah, the only thing IMO that's sort of strange about it is that it's just assigning it to a type anyway00:52
jgriffithwinston-d: what I mean is there's no real advantage in flexibility I don't think.  Maybe slightly easier for admin, but we still associate it with a type so it's not as powerful IMO00:53
jgriffithwinston-d: unless I'm not remembering how it works correctly /me should go look at the code00:54
winston-dWell, admin still can change QoS settings for a type without user noticing.00:54
jgriffithwinston-d: sure, and they can do that with extra-specs too00:55
jgriffithwinston-d: I'm just saying, they're really pretty similar with the exception of how they're created00:55
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winston-dyeah, in that sense, changing a type key works the same.00:56
jgriffithwinston-d: I mean, the ONLY difference is that we have a name "qos_specs" associated with the type, instead of "extra-specs"00:56
jgriffithwinston-d: the behavior, ability to update etc are exactly the same after that00:56
jgriffithwinston-d: heck, the format is even EXACTLY the same :)00:57
jgriffithwinston-d: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/volume_types.py#L24400:57
jgriffithwinston-d: which is why in my case I have no problem supporting both, the only difference is adding a call to qos-specs.get and parsing out one extra layer in the json00:58
winston-dwell, there are some difference: you can have multiple QoS specs, each one of them is already a set of key/value pair; volume types is mapping to the whole set, instead of everything single entry in the set.00:58
winston-dSo of ource, you can change the key/value of a Qos spec, OR you can change the mapping between type to qos.00:59
jgriffithwinston-d: fair enough00:59
jgriffithwinston-d: like I said, I'm not really going to advocate strongly for one over the other, I'll go with the flow.01:00
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jgriffithwinston-d: but I don think that saying "using extra-specs is too hard" is nonsense01:00
jgriffithwinston-d: and that it takes "hours to figure out how they work" is sort of baffling to me01:00
jgriffiths/don/do/01:00
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winston-dwell, looks like the team would have to evaulate A: the benefit of having less API/tables + work to remove QoS. VS. the beneift of keeping consistent API/aka being friendly to deployers + no extra work needs to be done + some potential to extend QoS to generic volume groups.01:08
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openstackgerrithuanan proposed openstack/cinder: Migrate volume between backends in an async way  https://review.openstack.org/33492301:57
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jgriffithwinston-d: yeah, I certainly don't see any reason to make things more difficult for anybody in either case02:08
jgriffithwinston-d: and I do like the idea of expanding what we can do with things in the future02:08
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openstackgerritwangxiyuan proposed openstack/cinder-specs: Add VolumeGroup Into Quota Management  https://review.openstack.org/30694602:24
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openstackgerritAleksey Ruban proposed openstack/cinder: NexentaStor5: sessions and HTTPS support, ZFS cleanup, add extend method to NFS  https://review.openstack.org/38559802:38
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openstackgerritxianming.mao proposed openstack/cinder: Use method is_valid_boolstr from oslo_utils  https://review.openstack.org/38572103:20
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openstackgerritxing-yang proposed openstack/cinder: Add group_type_id in create_group_snapshot  https://review.openstack.org/38573303:58
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openstackgerritxianming.mao proposed openstack/cinder: Use method is_valid_boolstr from oslo_utils  https://review.openstack.org/38572103:59
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: VNX: use delete instead of remove  https://review.openstack.org/38480004:53
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/cinder: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/38310705:19
openstackgerritPeter Wang proposed openstack/cinder: VNX:Add more check on replication_device keys  https://review.openstack.org/37995905:25
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openstackgerritVipin Balachandran proposed openstack/cinder: VMware:Remove redundant check for usable ESX hosts  https://review.openstack.org/38579206:55
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openstackgerritVipin Balachandran proposed openstack/cinder: VMware:Config option for http connection pool size  https://review.openstack.org/38579307:04
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flip214anyone from Sweden here, who's coming to Barcelona?07:53
dulekflip214: Is Poland close and cold enough to be considered? ;)07:55
flip214dulek: sadly, no. It's about a regional speciality. but thank you very much for asking!07:56
dulekflip214: Oh, man, they don't allow surströmming on the plane, so I don't think anyone will bring it to Barcelona.07:57
dulekflip214: :d07:57
dulekflip214: :D07:57
flip214I'd like to ask for some Mesost.07:58
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dulekflip214: I've needed to Google it. Unfortunately it looks like it's not available in my country. :(08:01
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flip214yeah, that's the problem. neither in mine.08:07
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openstackgerritSzymon Wróblewski proposed openstack/cinder: Cleanup RCP API versioning  https://review.openstack.org/37513708:11
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openstackgerritVipin Balachandran proposed openstack/cinder: Allow snapshot deletion after volume transfer  https://review.openstack.org/38583909:01
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openstackgerritVipin Balachandran proposed openstack/cinder: VMware: Fix deprecation warning  https://review.openstack.org/38585009:16
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Update synchronized decorator  https://review.openstack.org/38552411:26
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gcbcinder guys, please help review doc about threading in https://review.openstack.org/36776811:33
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dulek#success Cinder gate is now voting on basic rolling upgrades support. One step closer to get assert:supports-rolling-upgrade tag. :)11:38
openstackstatusdulek: Added success to Success page11:38
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erlondulek: +112:09
erlondulek: thumbs up!! :)12:09
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scottdadulek: Congrats. you must have nagged the right people.12:45
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markus_zAnyone had the case where os-brick got installed from git but then uninstalled again? http://paste.openstack.org/show/585603/13:09
scottdamarkus_z: I've never seen that, nor a bug to that effect13:09
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markus_zscottda: Hm, too bad. Is there maybe a specific order of env variables in the localrc necessary?13:11
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scottdamarkus_z: No, not that I know of.13:12
markus_zscottda: The background is, that our (WIP) CI is broken because os-brick 1.6.1 has a bug on "system z(s390)"13:12
scottdamarkus_z: Well, I don't run a CI. Maybe others who do have seen this. More folks should be online soon...13:13
markus_zFWIW, https://github.com/openstack/os-brick/commit/cedaa124cb40502ffe6e07ef7f7fe8cc3487567913:13
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markus_zok, thanks, I'll ask around later13:14
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smcginnisthingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226487/13:49
smcginnismarkus_z: We'll see if we can do a new os-brick release soon to get that change.13:49
smcginnismarkus_z: hemna has another one in master that might be good to get out and get more runtime on.13:50
markus_zsmcginnis: That would help us a lot, thanks for that!13:50
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smcginnismarkus_z: I've never seen LIBS_FROM_GIT fail like that though. That's strange.13:51
markus_zsmcginnis: Yeah, I still can't wrap my head around this. I suspect something with the requirements, but I'm still testing my suspicions.13:52
smcginnismarkus_z: Did you check with the devstack folks? Might be worth bringing up over in #openstack-qa13:52
markus_zsmcginnis: I didn't. Good point, I'm going to ask there as well.13:53
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: VMware: Fix deprecation warning  https://review.openstack.org/38585014:51
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openstackgerritEric Harney proposed openstack/cinder: NetApp NFS: Look for new file for >60s  https://review.openstack.org/38604115:22
openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Add group_type_id in create_group_snapshot  https://review.openstack.org/38573315:23
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openstackgerritKedar Vidvans proposed openstack/cinder: Fixes ZFSSANFS driver on Solaris platform  https://review.openstack.org/33659815:37
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openstackgerritKedar Vidvans proposed openstack/cinder: Fixes ZFSSANFS driver on Solaris platform  https://review.openstack.org/33659815:57
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openstackgerritJon Bernard proposed openstack/os-brick: linuxrbd: remove obsolete comment on close()  https://review.openstack.org/38606816:13
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Zer0Byte__hey17:34
Zer0Byte__someone can help me with a quick question17:34
Zer0Byte__when i shut off a instance the volume should be on in-use or available17:34
Zer0Byte__?17:34
guitarza1Zer0Byte__: in-use unless you detach it17:35
Zer0Byte__but i can't detach cuz is the root volume17:35
guitarza1this is true17:35
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Zer0Byte__and also i can't create a image because the volume is in-use17:36
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guitarza1also true17:37
Zer0Byte__is a know bug?17:37
guitarza1what bug?17:37
Zer0Byte__what i said17:37
guitarza1you can force create a snapshot, and create a new volume from that if you want17:37
guitarza1it's not a bug. if the volume is attached to an instance, it's in-use17:38
Zer0Byte__i want to create a image from a volume17:38
guitarza1you can also create an image from that new volume as well17:38
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Remove volid from attachments_get_by_host|instance  https://review.openstack.org/38512217:42
openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/38310717:42
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Zer0Byte__for nfs volumes17:44
Zer0Byte__is complety senseless flag the volume in use if the computer is off17:45
Zer0Byte__i guess17:47
openstackgerritMerged openstack/os-brick: linuxrbd: remove obsolete comment on close()  https://review.openstack.org/38606817:47
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patrickeastZer0Byte__: i think that restriction is because we don't support multi-attach as a thing yet, in general the assumption for creating an image from a volume is that it needs to be attachable (not true for all backends, but its sticking to the lowest denominator)17:49
patrickeastZer0Byte__: once we can attach a volume in more than one place it would make more sense to allow creating an image from an attached volume (although i'm sure some precautions are needed since you need some assurance its not still being written to)17:50
guitarzanoh, is the question why can you not create an image from an in-use volume?17:50
* patrickeast shrugs17:50
patrickeastim guessing based on 10:36:17 <Zer0Byte__> and also i can't create a image because the volume is in-use17:51
Zer0Byte__thats right i guess flag the volume "in-use" doent' have sense if the computer is off17:51
patrickeastyep17:51
Zer0Byte__attatch is one thing17:51
guitarzanZer0Byte__: cinder doesn't know anything about the copute instance being on or off17:51
Zer0Byte__status in use is another thing17:51
smcginnisFrom the Cinder side it is in user/ We have no idea that the machine is off or not.17:51
guitarzanin-use and attached are identical in cinder terms17:51
Zer0Byte__well i do using enable_force_upload=True17:55
Zer0Byte__another question guys17:55
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Zer0Byte__is posible change the permision of a image when is deployed as a volume17:56
Zer0Byte__for example17:56
Zer0Byte__im using netapp and cloning images17:56
Zer0Byte__but when the image is cloned17:56
Zer0Byte__came with glance permissions17:56
Zer0Byte__and fail to start17:56
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patrickeastnot sure about that one, maybe worth asking over in the #openstack-netapp channel17:58
Zer0Byte__oh cool17:58
Zer0Byte__i dindt have idea that these chanel exist17:58
openstackgerritAlyson proposed openstack/cinder: Fix HNAS Driver KeyError exception in volume manage  https://review.openstack.org/37861617:59
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openstackgerritAlyson proposed openstack/cinder: Fix HNAS Driver KeyError exception in volume manage  https://review.openstack.org/37861618:21
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smcginnispatrickeast: NOT_REGISTERED? :)18:31
patrickeasttypical18:31
patrickeasti noticed this morning it hadn't been running for like... i dunno... a while18:31
smcginnispatrickeast: The fun never stops.18:31
patrickeastgotta got give it a few kicks18:31
patrickeasts/got/go/18:32
smcginnispatrickeast: CI party: http://www.lovethisgif.com/image/55653/office-space-animated-gif18:34
patrickeasthaha18:34
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openstackgerritEric Harney proposed openstack/cinder: RemoteFS: Remove deprecated config options  https://review.openstack.org/38614618:49
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openstackgerritJon Bernard proposed openstack/cinder: RBD: prevent creation of encrypted volumes  https://review.openstack.org/38618519:20
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Make c-vol use workers table for cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/30302119:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Add more operations to cluster  https://review.openstack.org/35596819:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Support A/A on Scheduler operations  https://review.openstack.org/34422619:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: [PoC][Don't review] Testing delay  https://review.openstack.org/35306919:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Support A/A in attach/detach operations  https://review.openstack.org/31857319:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Allow triggering cleanup from API  https://review.openstack.org/36301019:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Support A/A in delete actions and get_capabilities  https://review.openstack.org/34422519:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Make Replication support Active-Active  https://review.openstack.org/38183519:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Cosmetic changes to scheduler  https://review.openstack.org/34604119:21
openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Make Image Volume Cache cluster aware  https://review.openstack.org/38618619:21
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openstackgerritRaunak Kumar proposed openstack/cinder: Add Fibre Channel support for Nimble Storage  https://review.openstack.org/35944820:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: NetApp NFS: Look for new file for >60s  https://review.openstack.org/38604120:34
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bardiacan i get another +2 on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386114/20:59
bardia:)20:59
bardiathanks in advance20:59
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openstackgerritNate Potter proposed openstack/cinder: Enable deletion of inactive logical volumes  https://review.openstack.org/34180821:08
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/cinder: Read domain info from context when contacting nova  https://review.openstack.org/33732221:54
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openstackgerritNate Potter proposed openstack/cinder: Enable deletion of inactive logical volumes  https://review.openstack.org/34180822:24
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