Friday, 2015-07-03

openstackgerritRohit Jaiswal proposed openstack/ceilometer: Implementation of dynamically reloadable pipeline  https://review.openstack.org/19084200:31
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: drop deprecated pipeline  https://review.openstack.org/19818901:41
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/aodh: Change the default api server port  https://review.openstack.org/19821004:22
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/aodh: Change the default api server port  https://review.openstack.org/19821004:43
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Add alarm severity in alarm-history output  https://review.openstack.org/19523906:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: drop deprecated pipeline  https://review.openstack.org/19818908:35
cdent\o/08:36
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Update alarm history only if change in alarm property  https://review.openstack.org/19534309:10
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openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Remove useless migration module  https://review.openstack.org/19715709:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Replaces methods deprecated in pymongo3.0  https://review.openstack.org/19661109:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: notifier: tests stop method  https://review.openstack.org/19715609:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: impl_log: make methods static  https://review.openstack.org/19715909:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Remove code related to metadata/metaquery  https://review.openstack.org/19715809:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Fix options registeration in tests  https://review.openstack.org/19707109:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: api: remove v1 handling  https://review.openstack.org/19715509:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Move aodh.alarm.storage to aodh.storage  https://review.openstack.org/19672209:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: api: remove unused extra_hooks  https://review.openstack.org/19715409:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Move 'alarm_connection' to 'connection'  https://review.openstack.org/19672309:45
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: messaging: remove unused cleanup function  https://review.openstack.org/19716009:45
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cdentjd__: you wanna push this please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195149/10:01
cdentdanke10:03
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/gnocchi: Allow gnocchi API at /metric  https://review.openstack.org/19514910:30
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/gnocchi: carbonara: add a serializable mixin  https://review.openstack.org/19509610:41
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openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: sqlalchemy: fix lazy-loading of attributes  https://review.openstack.org/19830610:48
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: set default limit to meter/sample queries  https://review.openstack.org/19679211:10
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Ceilometer Collection Agents Split  https://review.openstack.org/18696411:34
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add documentation about the usage of api-no-pipline  https://review.openstack.org/19540912:05
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: add mandatory limit value to event list  https://review.openstack.org/19682712:20
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/ceilometer: Remove alarming code  https://review.openstack.org/19716112:22
jd__so how can I disable the Tempest tests against alarming in the gate?12:24
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cdentjd__: I think you need to propose a patch to tempest that gets rid of them and then use a Depends-On clause in your removal patch12:26
jd__ok let's try that12:26
cdentpresumably what you really want is something that says "if alarming is around then do the tests" but I'm not sure if we've establised a service availble-ness12:27
cdentI've been struggling with similar things all week with the devstack plugin stuff12:27
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jd__yeah I hope that if we start using the devstack plugin we can disable the tests in tempest via our plugin12:35
jd__so I'll just wait for that to happen for now12:36
cdentI have some queries into the qa gang but they seem to be busy with other stuff.12:36
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Ceilometer polling agent split  https://review.openstack.org/18696412:38
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: Revert "Revert "remove instance:<flavor> meter""  https://review.openstack.org/19250313:00
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gordccdent: is your plan to send the sample right when it's built?13:10
cdentYeah, pretty much. Is there something not cool about that?13:10
gordccdent: because right now i think there's already some batching logic included. https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/e64311726afa792ed67b61c85ccc78dec8b7625c/ceilometer/agent/base.py#L175-L18013:11
cdentyeah, but that batching exists because there are sinks13:11
gordcjust walking through the pollster code now but it seems to group by meter13:11
cdentif you get rid of sinks, then all that stuff kind of goes away13:12
cdentthe concept of a publisher goes away13:12
gordcnot sure it's related to sinks... all the references mention source13:12
gordcwe have some strange overloaded variable names13:13
cdentthat's because it is finding the sink based on the source name13:13
cdentself.publishers[source_name] are those publishers (defined in sinks) which match the source name13:13
cdentit is really confusing13:13
cdentwhich is why I'm desperate to simplify it13:13
cdentfigure out what to poll, do discovery, poll those resources, yield samples13:14
cdentthat's all13:14
cdent13:14
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gordcright. but it will batch all the samples of a meter from all resources13:14
cdent"it"?13:14
gordcpolling logic13:15
cdentthe current polling logic is only as it is because there are sinks13:15
cdentI think we should replace the polling logic13:15
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cdentto make it simple:13:15
cdentread the sources section, setup pollings tasks13:15
gordcright, my comment is that this will make 1 messages into x messages which might be 10 to 1000x more13:16
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cdentyes, and my comment is: So?13:16
gordc... it's much more efficient to batch.13:16
cdentthen the messaging bus is broken13:16
gordcnot just load, but processing itself is much better13:17
gordci get the message bus should scale but grabbing 1 thing 10 times is going to be slower than grabbing 10 things 1 time.13:17
cdentI'm mostly talking out my butt here, just trying to push us into making a real change because the current way things work is impossible to understand when in fact the thing being done is really simple13:18
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cdentwhen you say "thing" what do you mean?13:18
gordcmessage.13:18
gordcerrr in the first context...13:18
gordcbasically if you grab a message of 10 things it'll be quicker than grabbing 10 messages13:19
gordcjust the fact that it's all done sequentially on the listener end.13:19
cdentIt may be quicker but at least to me it is the wrong data structure. It's not atomic. By being not atomic we are making a statement about how things are "heard" and contractually atomic things are easier.13:20
cdentsince there is no guarantee that all samples will be in a given message you still need the logic to be aware that more might be coming13:21
gordcall samples for what?13:22
cdentexactly! we don't know!13:22
cdentbecause we don't know who wants to consume them13:22
cdents/don't/shouldn't/13:22
cdentbatching them implies there is an association13:22
cdentwhen there may or may not be13:22
gordcwhy do we need to know. you just process whatever is in the payload of message whether it's one or 1013:22
cdentso why do you care about sequentially?13:23
gordci don't. i'm just saying that's how it works in oslo.messaging. it's not a stream...13:23
gordciiuc, a consumer queues up, and waits for message, grabs it and leaves, and next one steps up13:24
gordcit's a lot more work if they have to keep coming back and grabbing a single message of 1 thing, rahter than a single message of 10 things13:25
cdentthat suggests that if you want to enhance performance horizontally that grab should grab as small a message as possible so that the contact between the consumer and the bus is as short as possible so that many consumers can gather round?13:25
cdentcertainly if you have only one consumer you want one large message13:25
cdentbut we don't want just one consumer13:25
cdentwe want many13:25
gordci have no proof of this but i don't think it's the processing that's the long part. it's the part of returning to the queue to grab another item.13:26
cdent(Now seems like a good time to remind you that I'm talking about my butt, so if I'm just talking crazy, please say so, but like I said I'm trying to explore.)13:26
gordcsame here!13:26
gordcthe talking out ass bit13:27
cdenthe said ass13:27
gordcdockey13:27
cdentI've been such a good boy and been using butt13:27
gordcdonkey13:27
gordcbutt is for simpsons.13:27
* cdent needs an adult13:27
cdentI think it is worth doing some prototyping13:27
gordcyeah, i think that'd be good.13:28
cdentNot merely from a performance standpoint but also from a "how does the code look standpoint"13:28
cdentit will also help me to actually understand what the pipeline-related code is doing because I've read through it several times now and I'm still going "wtf? wtf? WTF!"13:28
gordci just brought it up because when i did pipeline coordination work in notification.13:28
gordcthe requeuing actually adds overhead.... 30-40ms13:29
cdentsure13:29
cdentbut that's a slightly different context. in the polling environment the costs of doing stuff is amortized across the polling period. we're definitely moving cost to the notification agent but in general the proposals we are tossing about lately move a _lot_ of costs to the notification agent13:30
cdentnot just the one we're talking about now13:30
cdentit will be interesting to see how having the notification agent be the sole transformation engine works out...13:30
cdentOne thing I noticed about the polling agent is that is lumps all the polling for any given interval into tasks13:31
cdentwhich means that you're not getting the interleaving one could get13:31
cdentI think it makes more sense to have many tasks, some of them on the same interval13:31
gordcyeah... i think we need more logic in transformation engine. right now we force everything down a single path even if there's no transformation or requirement for ordering13:32
cdentthat sounds like an opportunity™13:33
* cdent hides under a rock13:33
gordctrue. i think we need to experiment with polling agent. i don't really have an easy alternative.13:33
gordci thought about how to handle it last cycle. it got harder and harder more i thought about it.13:33
cdentthink less do more!13:33
* cdent is agile13:34
* gordc is going to reread llu's spec for declarative snmp meters to see if that can help13:36
cdent13:37
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Remove test-requirements-py3.txt.  https://review.openstack.org/19693013:43
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Add documentation about the usage of api-no-pipline  https://review.openstack.org/19540914:00
gordc_nadya_: do you know if gating on mysql/postgres is part of functional tests work you guys are doing?14:01
_nadya_gordc: let me ask guys :) I hope so14:02
ityaptingordc: yes, mysql and postrgres jobs will add to our functional tests, i think14:04
gordccool cool14:08
gordcityaptin: can i target this for liberty? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/sql-unit-tests-on-real-backend14:08
ityaptingordc: yes, i think14:08
gordcityaptin: i'll do that. please let me know if you need help with it.14:09
_nadya_cdent: btw, whats overhead we will have when polling agent will push a message back to queue? I'm trying to count how many time a message from nova may become in mq :) 4 times is my result for now14:11
_nadya_nova is just an example14:11
cdent_nadya_: I don't know, but I'm writing some prototype code right now so I should be able to inspect that sort of thing next week14:11
cdentTrying to figure it out by just thinking about it has proven too hard :)14:12
_nadya_cdent: sure :)14:12
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: add mandatory limit value to resource list  https://review.openstack.org/19842716:22
openstackgerritgordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: add mandatory limit value to resource list  https://review.openstack.org/19842716:25
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openstackgerritIlya Tyaptin proposed openstack/gnocchi: InfluxDB storage driver  https://review.openstack.org/16540716:47
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19397620:42
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19727220:49
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