Monday, 2015-06-22

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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/19049706:16
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openstackgerritKamil Rykowski proposed openstack/ceilometer: Versioned object initial patch  https://review.openstack.org/17867507:03
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haypojd__: hi. i updated my py3 patch, you may take a look: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192004/408:05
haypoit's the first patch of a serie of 3, the 2 others are already accepted08:05
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haypojd__: as i told you friday, i will need your help to investigate remaining py3 issues. running tests using testr is very slow and i failed to use pdb with testr08:05
jd__haypo: np08:06
haypojd__: i get many HTTP 500 errors and i don't know how to investigate them08:06
haypojd__: just tell me when you are available for such debug session ;)08:06
jd__haypo: ok :)08:07
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19397608:19
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometermiddleware: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19229408:19
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openstackgerritNadya Shakhat proposed openstack/ceilometer: [WIP] Ignore notifications if they are not valid  https://review.openstack.org/19350108:23
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19043408:27
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Fix usage of iterator/list on Python 3  https://review.openstack.org/19200408:50
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Fix expected error message on Python 3  https://review.openstack.org/19200508:51
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Port test_complex_query to Python 3  https://review.openstack.org/19200609:04
haypojd__: here we are! 3 patches merged ;)09:04
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openstackgerritIgor Degtiarov proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Transformers for events pipeline  https://review.openstack.org/16216710:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/gnocchi: utils: replace utcnow() by new oslo.utils version  https://review.openstack.org/19222511:32
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometermiddleware: Set correct config choice for transport url  https://review.openstack.org/19410712:10
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openstackgerritKamil Rykowski proposed openstack/ceilometer: Versioned object initial patch  https://review.openstack.org/17867512:31
openstackgerritKamil Rykowski proposed openstack/ceilometer: Versioned object for Alarm and AlarmChange model  https://review.openstack.org/18090812:31
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/ceilometer: Remove unnecessary wrapping of transformer ExtentionManager  https://review.openstack.org/19413413:15
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gordcso i guess we skipping the midcycle?13:23
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pradgordc, welcome back :)13:24
pradgordc, based on last weeks meeting looks like it13:24
pradgordc, we're might instead have a virtual meetup on bluejeans or something if we see enough interest13:25
gordcprad: thanks!13:25
cdentgordc: the consensus was that it was going to be too hard to have it soon enough to be useful with enough tpeople13:26
gordcprad: :( that sucks.13:26
gordci think it's going to be very difficult given how spread out our team is13:26
gordcbluejeans i mean.13:27
gordcwe'll give it a try i guess.13:27
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cdentso I forced what was initially supposed to be just a vote to see where people were at, and then it kind of just flowed from there13:27
cdentI hope we didn't move out of turn, but we sort of had momentum to use the toilet or leave the restroom13:27
pradyea its allwas cdent's fault :)13:27
cdentpretty much13:28
gordccdent: it's cool. i blame cdent for everything13:28
pradhehe13:28
gordcit's my default13:28
cdentthat's convenient because I blame gordc for everything13:28
* cdent likes balance13:28
gordccdent: circle of blame13:28
cdentI'm a libra you see13:28
pradthis might have some astro significance.. we need experts here13:29
pradbut yea in all seriousness, i hope we atleast have a virtual meetup13:30
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gordcprad: we can try. i don't really see it being any better than our meetings.13:31
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gordcprad: tbh, i think our meeting time is the only part of the day where everyone would even consider participating13:32
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cdentgordc: I think if we make a window that is effectively 24 hours long people can come and go as they like13:32
cdentthat's kind of the point13:32
pradyea it would be hard to coordinate .. we have a doodle on dates, perhaps we need one to figure out time as well13:32
gordcoutside of that one hr, you're asking a lot13:32
ildikovyeap, from TZ perspective it's not that good :(13:32
cdentso the idea isn't to get everyone together at once, but to get everyone focus on the issues on the same day13:33
cdentor even couple of days13:33
pradgordc, http://doodle.com/6vfksdu38wcwqqd313:33
gordccdent: i see. we'll give it a try i guess. it was difficult tbh just being in asia tz...13:34
cdentit's not ideal, but it can be done soon and is free13:34
cdentgordc: that's because we have all become accustomed to be lazy enterprise drones rather than proper open source hackers13:34
cdentthere's like email and etherpads and other stuff13:34
cdentceilo is _bad_ at such things13:35
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gordcwe're bad at emails?13:35
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gordcwell i think we all know i am...13:36
cdentyes, totally. we tend to defer discussion to the weekly meeting rather than using the mailing list13:36
gordcfair enough. i don't have an exact answer to why... i'm assuming one reason is there's a lot of trash to filter in mailinglist.13:37
gordci think redhatters are good at it become of memolist13:38
cdenthah!13:38
cdentnearly everyone is horrible at email13:38
cdentin my experience red hatters are _especially_ bad at it13:38
* cdent gets fired13:38
pradhehe.. yea our rh-openstack-ceilo list is the proof13:39
gordcpra13:39
gordcprad:  i never signed up for that13:40
gordcor i don't think i did.13:40
gordci just thought memo list was the dumbest.lol13:40
prad:)13:41
ildikovdiscussing smth in mails sometimes more time consuming especially counting the context switches IMHO13:41
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cdentsure, ildikov, but in the presence of time zones and the critical importance of including all the relevant people email is the only option13:42
cdentfor example, last week we made a pretty critical decision in the meeting and there was barely anyone there13:42
cdentthat's _bad_13:42
* cdent apologizes13:43
gordccdent: what decision? midcycle cancellation or something i glossed over?13:43
cdentwe fired you gordc13:43
gordccdent: severance?13:43
cdentcup of coffee13:43
gordccdent: hot?13:44
cdentno, midcycle plans13:44
cdentsorry, cold. had you been at the meeting it would have been hot13:44
gordccdent: it's cool. it was too late for coffee for me then.13:44
gordccdent: well we did the poll for midcycle... i think we were a bit hesitant because last midcycle didn't pan out.13:45
ildikovcdent: it wasn't just about TZ as for the meeting, but I understand your point13:46
cdentanyway, ildikov, I don't disagree about the usefulness of having a synchronous conversation, I just think that it needs to be a special case not a rule13:46
pradonly poll we took was to skip .. perhaps if we took a poll to have in-person meetup we would have a different consensus (with more people in the meeting)13:47
cdentand I also agree that it would have been best to have an in person midcycle this time around, but if we had had it at the dates that were being proposed we would already be approaching feature freeze timelines and things like that13:47
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gordcprad:  i meant originally doodle to gauge interest13:47
cdentand I think given the things we are proposing, which are going to have significant impact on packaging and docs, we need to get started sooner than later13:47
ildikovcdent: FYI, Nova mid-cycle is 21-23 July13:48
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ildikovcdent: but I think it's good that we try the "virtual mid-cycle"13:48
ildikovso the key here is balance, we need to find it13:48
cdentyes13:48
cdenti agree13:49
gordcwe'll try in-person next year. i'm not sure there's going to be huge interest to do one in december.13:49
gordcdecember seems to be the 'do nothing' month for most people... or maybe just me13:50
cdentby N we'll have destroyed ceilo and won't need one13:50
pradhehe13:50
pradcdent, may be we'll start another project by then.. if not we are not keeping up with the openstack tradition13:51
cdentnon-blocking-evented-openstack13:51
cdentwhat's a good name for that?13:52
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gordcaws13:53
cdentheh13:53
* gordc was just hitting random keys (in case big brother is scanning chat history)13:54
cdenthave you got massive jetlag gordc?13:54
gordccdent: nah, actually pretty good. turbulence managed to let me sleep just enough13:54
gordci suggest all pilots fly through 30mins storms... it helps everyone13:56
cdentyou're kind of a big ideas guy13:56
openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/ceilometer: Clean the re-implemented serializers in Ceilometer  https://review.openstack.org/19414813:59
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jd__sileht, cdent: can I have your review of that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185503/ before we cut aodh?14:15
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jasonamyersthat nov-dec range is weird in the states with the whole thanksgiving, yule, christmas14:20
jasonamyersperhaps other things like Hanukkah and Kwansa14:21
jasonamyersdepending on the background14:21
pradi think early Jan is probably better if we do want to do it for M.. but i dont know if its considered too late again14:21
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: pip has its own download cache by default  https://review.openstack.org/19351614:22
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jasonamyersprad: I was hoping that first week of Dec might work14:23
jasonamyersI think only advent is then14:23
jasonamyersHanukkah I think starts the 7th14:23
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dikonoorgordc: Hi gordc. this is about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1461767.14:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1461767 in Ceilometer "Policy.json based RBAC does not work on ceilometer events api" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Divya K Konoor (dikonoor)14:25
dikonoorgordc: We had discussed earlier on the need to add user/project related information in the event model so that RBAC rules can be applied on them14:26
dikonoorgordc: I was able to try some changes in lines with that. I added user_id/project_id into the Event model and it would look like this after the change:14:27
dikonoor   {14:27
dikonoor      "user_id":"9de297ed779bf7924ad16867bcc8b389f460c7f6e3aeb4ad6be940f08625dd48",14:27
dikonoor      "event_type":"audit.http.request",14:27
dikonoor      "raw":{14:27
dikonoor      },14:27
dikonoor      "traits":[ ],14:27
dikonoor      "generated":"2015-06-22T13:55:00.425000",14:27
dikonoor      "project_id":"6dfec5426d614a17900850fa91570d5b",14:27
dikonoor      "message_id":"9c308ce9-dc57-46f4-a55e-d90702b394da"14:27
dikonoor   },14:27
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dikonoorgordc: I was also able to make some RBAC level changes so that if you specify a rule (corresponding to get all events) >>     "telemetry:get_allevents": "rule:user_id:%(user_id)s"14:28
dikonoorgordc: the events returned in the above case would be only for the user who generated those events.14:29
cdentjd__: I didn't review that one because I didn't understand it, but happy to rubberstamp it if that's what's needed here14:29
openstackgerritRohit Jaiswal proposed openstack/ceilometer: Restricts pipeline to have unique source names  https://review.openstack.org/19317014:30
dikonoorgordc: I tested this change by making changes to keystonemiddleware/audit to send 'request' object (with user/project info) along with the payload .14:31
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dikonoorgordc: I am not sure if there's a way I can commit the changes such that it can be viewed by others but not reviewed..(like work in progress)14:32
gordcdikonoor: there is a work in progress flag. on your patch, if you click review, you can mark it WIP14:35
dikonoorgordc: Do you see any problems with the direction in which the changes are going ?14:35
gordcor you can just put WIP in your patch14:35
gordcdikonoor: i'm just wondering but can you not set RBAC on a trait? ie if project/user_id were in traits, this isn't possible?14:35
dikonoorgordc: ok..Is there any patch you can point me to which has WIP?14:36
gordcdikonoor: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191483/14:36
gordci didn't put WIP in my title though14:37
openstackgerritMerged openstack/gnocchi: Use a more unique postgresql port  https://review.openstack.org/19355114:37
dikonoorok..Got it14:37
dikonoorgordc: Thanks..If you think , the changes I proposed sounds fine, I can start putting it together so that you can take a high level look14:38
dikonoorgordc: Summary of changes:14:40
dikonoor1. Changes in ceilometer event model to add user_id and project_id14:40
dikonoor2. Changes to ceilometer other code to support point 1 above (collector, converter, db api layer etc) to extract user/project_id from the MQ msg to do store/retrieve in the DB.14:40
dikonoor3. Changes to keystonemiddleware to send request information in the message (like pycadf does) which consists of user_id/project_id.14:40
dikonoor4. Changes in ceilometer rbac to support resource ownership.14:40
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s3anHi, I have a situation where the meter 'vcpus' is only updated when an instance is getting launched - Should this not update inline with the interval set in the pipeline.yaml?14:46
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gordcdikonoor: cool cool. just to reiterate, i'm just wondering but can you not set RBAC on a trait? ie if project/user_id were in  traits, this isn't possible?14:47
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dikonoorgordc: Setting it the way I currently have is more in lines with how it's done for other entities including meters.14:48
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gordcdikonoor: i think we want to consider meters and events two distinct models14:49
dikonoorgordc: and other models/entities like servers (in nova)14:49
gordcdikonoor: my main goal is to limit the model requirements in events... unless we have something that is common to everything we shouldn't put it in base attributes14:50
gordcproject/user are two optional fields in meters already... so i'm assuming it's not present everywhere14:50
gordcs3an: it is generated from notifications only: https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/compute/notifications/instance.py#L105-L11514:51
dikonoorgordc: the user/project related information is a base attribute in all the resources I have seen till now and I think it makes sense to leave it that way for events as well.. Yes , user/project would be optional attribute for events. Though I would like them to be mandatory as that brings in more control.14:52
gordcyou'll only get VCPU metric when nova tells us something (usually when the instance is created, updated, deleted)14:52
dikonoorgordc: The audit based events should have user/project information mandatorily..because that's sensitive information that needs user/project level ownership and control14:54
gordcdikonoor: the idea is if it's a base attr it is mandatory... and if we can't enforce it being mandatory, we can't make it mandatory. the lack of standardization of notification payloads makes me think we can't guarantee it's presence14:55
s3angordc: that explains why I only see it when it is created :), I guess the meter instance can be used to total memory / vCPU's for charge back then?14:55
gordcdikonoor: agreed... i'm just wondering if there's a way to say if traits.user_id or traits.project_id isn't there, the assumption is it's not an audit event?14:57
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dikonoorgordc: umm..I didn't realize that base attributes were mandatory attributes14:58
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dikonoorgordc: Technically, that can be done.14:58
dikonoorgordc: Let me try that and get back.14:59
gordcs3an: meter_name == 'instance'? so those meters are actually just healthcheck events... they don't actually measure anything.14:59
gordcdikonoor: i don't think it's a written rule... it's the rule i'm working on... we can change it if the majority do. :)14:59
gordcdikonoor: my main reasoning is that i want to avoid as many empty/null fields stored15:00
gordcdikonoor: but yeah, let me know if you run into any issues with having it in traits and we can revisit adding it as base attributes15:01
s3angordc: they seems to contain meta_data that has vcpus, I think my issue maybe that I have setup ceilometer post the setup and use of nova so I missed some of the notifications that nova sent about an instance getting created15:01
dikonoorgordc: ok..I understand..Let me take a look at how it's done in other projects as well :)15:01
gordcdikonoor: sounds good.15:02
dikonoorgordc: ok..then I will catch you later..If you get better ideas , please add them as comments to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/146176715:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1461767 in Ceilometer "Policy.json based RBAC does not work on ceilometer events api" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Divya K Konoor (dikonoor)15:03
gordcs3an: ah i see, yeah you can derive/infer that via the metadata of instance meter15:03
gordcs3an: i should add a disclaimer, those healthcheck meters are deprecated and are represented as events now. (which should allow for better querying of metadata)15:04
gordcs3an: just for reference: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_telemetry-events.html15:04
s3anThanks15:07
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gordccdent:  you actually planning on doing this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192286/1/specs/liberty/pollsters-no-transform.rst?15:37
gordcfor liberty that is?15:38
cdentdidn't you ask me to write that spec?15:38
cdentbut yes, I'd like to do it, but assumed it was secondary to "the split"15:40
cdents/secondary to/dependent on/15:40
pradSo I'm starting to whip some code for declarative stuff .. do we want to move the notifications in phases? or just do all at once?15:42
gordccdent: yeah i just wondering when you were planning it. the split right now is the blocking both prad and that spec...15:42
cdentit's fine to do things in different order15:43
gordccdent: i'm thinking it's easier we do the split afterwards (since prad's work will significantly minimise the code base of the split15:43
cdentI've not started on the splitting stuff because the spec isn't accepted yet...15:43
cdentyeah, good point15:43
cdentbut I was just getting ready to say "in phases" to prad15:43
cdentbecause that just seems sensible15:44
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cdentbut if it makes it harder...15:44
* cdent shrugs15:44
gordccdent: what are the phases? once you have 'definition' mechanism i'd assume it's easy to transfer everything?15:44
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pradi'm just planning to take the NotificationBase and add the template parsing and process notifications.. if we want to do in phases, I guess i have to start with something standalone and then we deprecate the existing NotificationBase and sub classes15:45
cdentI was just trying to be conservative and cautious, but if you guys are keen all at once!15:46
gordccdent: so my secret goal of doing split second is that i want to see how alarms split plays out. library,  versiioning and all that is a crazy thing15:46
cdentyeah, my secret goal of doing it sooner is to make sure we don't bail on the idea because alarming goes wrong :)15:47
gordcprad: i'll let you decide what's easier based on how the coding goes for you.15:47
gordccdent: hahah! if alarm goes wrong, what makes you think collection split will go right?15:48
gordccdent: or is it, 'if one thing burns, let it all burn' idea?15:48
cdentexactly!15:48
gordccdent: can this happen when i'm not ptl?15:48
cdentthis can only happen when you are ptl15:48
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gordci renounce!15:49
gordcno more head of state.15:49
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cdentgordc: What are you specific concerns with the alarming split?15:53
gordccdent: just erring on the cautious side. i'm assuming there's an assumption in the code somewhere that expects certain conditions to be met.15:56
cdentthat's often the case, yeah15:56
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openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add fileutils to openstack-common.conf  https://review.openstack.org/19421916:14
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/ceilometer: Switch to oslo.service  https://review.openstack.org/19422016:14
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dhellmanngordc: can you +2a this version change, please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192399/17:09
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cdentI got it dhellmann17:20
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gordccdent: thanks17:51
thorstI'm looking at the CPUUtilStats.  Is there a concept of 'over 100% utilized'?  Ex if a CPU was typically running at say 2 Ghz, but it sped up to 3 Ghz for a bit...and thus the instance used more than 100% CPU?  Or is 100% really the limit there (because the CPU just had more cycles available).17:57
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Update version for Liberty  https://review.openstack.org/19239918:38
dhellmanngordc: can we release a new ceilometermiddleware? its use of pbr<1.0 is causing issues for some other projects18:39
dhellmanngordc: http://paste.openstack.org/show/31396718:39
dhellmanngordc: it looks like the new version should be 0.2.018:40
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lifelesshai18:49
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lifelessdhellmann: gordc: so - releasing the middleware?18:51
dhellmannlifeless: I'm waiting for gordc to ack that we can do the release18:52
gordcdhellmann: sorry, in middle of meetings... just returned from trip18:59
dhellmanngordc: np, understood18:59
gordcdhellmann: do you have release permissions on ceilometermiddleware?19:00
dhellmanngordc: I believe that was part of the ACL changes I made a while, back, but let me double-check19:01
dhellmanngordc: yes, it's under the library-release team management now19:01
gordcdhellmann: cool cool. seems like all the current patches are non-critical19:02
gordcdhellmann: we can release what is currently merged19:02
dhellmanngordc: ok, thanks19:03
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gordcdhellmann: i need to step back into meeting right now. ok if you release on your end?19:03
dhellmanngordc: yep, doing it now19:03
dhellmanngordc: you don't have permission to tag that repo any more, but I wanted to coordinate with you19:03
gordcdhellmann: cool cool. will check back in a bit. just holler if there's issues19:04
gordcdhellmann: what?!? you took my power away?... probably for the best. :)19:04
dhellmannlifeless, gordc : ceilometermiddleware release is done19:04
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dhellmanngordc: this is all part of the pre-automation stuff19:04
dhellmanngordc_afk: https://review.openstack.org/19119319:05
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lifeless\o/19:14
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19397619:52
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19397620:11
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometermiddleware: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19229420:12
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: disable non-metric meters  https://review.openstack.org/19440921:59
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openstackgerritSergey Vilgelm proposed openstack/ceilometer: Switch to oslo.service  https://review.openstack.org/19442322:36
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cjweihi there~23:40
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