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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/155197 | 06:09 |
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| ofcourseistilllo | Hi, setting up ceilometer for the first time, I'm using devstack for the moment but I saw in the docs that the ceilometer api can be run behind apache instead, I take it the recommended approach is to run the api as a stand alone: not behind apache ? | 10:08 |
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| Xacs | Hi experts. As the figure in this mirantis blog shows, visualization is out of scope of ceilometer. | 11:11 |
| Xacs | (https://www.mirantis.com/blog/openstack-metering-using-ceilometer/) | 11:11 |
| Xacs | How can I improve the usage visualization in horizon based on ceilometer collected data? Which plugin is available? | 11:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add a oslo.middleware healthcheck pollster https://review.openstack.org/152604 | 11:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: service: validate default values https://review.openstack.org/154111 | 11:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: archive_policy: have a sane default list of agg methods https://review.openstack.org/154108 | 11:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: storage: pass the archive policy in various methods https://review.openstack.org/154085 | 11:27 |
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| jd__ | sileht: so what about that tooz file lock issue? :( | 11:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/154564 | 11:42 |
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| Xacs | What about the Healthnmon? Is it the alternative to ceilometer? of It is a complementary service over ceilometer? | 11:55 |
| cmyster | eglynn-office: there ? | 12:19 |
| eglynn | cmyster: on a call | 12:19 |
| cmyster | eglynn: ping us when you gots the time please | 12:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: devstack: fix plugin with rename of get_or_add_user_role https://review.openstack.org/155273 | 12:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Add doc for version list API https://review.openstack.org/154774 | 12:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: enable oslo namespace check for ceilometer project https://review.openstack.org/146435 | 12:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhai, Edwin proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add more power and thermal data https://review.openstack.org/155293 | 13:03 |
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| sileht | jd__, This is the behavior of the WeakValueDictionary | 13:14 |
| sileht | jd__, when you do coord.get_lock(name).acquire(), without keeping the ref the lock, the file is closed by the gc and the lock released | 13:15 |
| sileht | jd__, then next call to coord.get_lock(name).release(), release an already released lock | 13:16 |
| sileht | jd__, (just my thought) | 13:16 |
| jd__ | sileht: but why did you abandon your patch in the first place? That sounds like a bug we want to solve | 13:17 |
| sileht | jd__, my patch does solve it :) | 13:17 |
| sileht | jd__, my patch doesn't solve it :) | 13:18 |
| jd__ | I didn't read the patch | 13:18 |
| jd__ | ok I'll work on that then | 13:18 |
| jd__ | sileht: do you have a patch in queue to make gnocchi/devstack voting? | 13:18 |
| sileht | jd__, not yet | 13:18 |
| eglynn | cmyster: ping | 13:18 |
| cmyster | hey eglynn, sec | 13:19 |
| eglynn | cmyster: k | 13:19 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: hi | 13:22 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: hi | 13:23 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: Do you think is duplicated resources possible in discovery? | 13:23 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: pollster discovery or static + pipeline discovery | 13:24 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: we have had some bugs in that area | 13:24 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: but I believe the known issues with duplication are now fixed | 13:24 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: do you have a reproducer against master? | 13:25 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: No. But I think mis-configuration in pipeline.yaml probably cause duplication. | 13:25 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: So cook a patch with 'set' to remove duplicated resource before get_samples. | 13:26 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: sure, say if you specify same resource twice as static resources for a pipeline source? | 13:26 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: ... but that would be just ceilometer doing what you told it to do | 13:27 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: or specify a discoverer to discover same resource as static | 13:27 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: yep, that too | 13:28 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: so you believe it's user configuration issue. We should keep it as is. | 13:28 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: sure, using a set to de-dupe is probably a good safety net to catch user errors like that | 13:28 |
| ildikov | eglynn: gzhai1: maybe it's also worth a log message that it happened | 13:29 |
| eglynn | ildikov: sure a log message the first time, not on every polling cycle though? | 13:30 |
| ildikov | eglynn: well, I guess it's enough on the first time, but I think it will never be captured in this case though :) | 13:31 |
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| gzhai1 | eglynn: but resources is dynamic. | 13:31 |
| eglynn | gzhai1: true enough, I just meant the first time the duplication is seen (not necessarily the first polling cycle) | 13:32 |
| ildikov | eglynn: but if we reach the point of having pipeline config in the db I guess we can do some validation there, so once should be enough for now | 13:32 |
| ildikov | eglynn: anyway, it was just an idea to inform the user somehow that the pipeline is softly missconfigured | 13:33 |
| eglynn | ildikov: IIUC Edwin's point was that a discovery extension can report different resources each time it's called, so the detection of dupes can't be static | 13:33 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: yes. pipeline discoverer can find dynamic resource. | 13:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed stackforge/gnocchi: WIP start adding gabbi tests to gnocchi https://review.openstack.org/148603 | 13:35 |
| ildikov | eglynn: hmm, gzhai1 also mentioned the pipeline misconfiguration issue | 13:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: devstack: fix plugin with rename of get_or_add_user_role https://review.openstack.org/155273 | 13:35 |
| gzhai1 | eglynn: so we do the check each polling and log it for the 1st time when duplicated? | 13:36 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I still think that it's better to inform the user about this step, it's enough for the first occurrence, I don't want to disturb your conversation more | 13:36 |
| gzhai1 | ildikov: ok. I'll log it only for the 1st occurence. | 13:39 |
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| ildikov | gzhai1: cool, thanks :) | 13:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Statistics for events https://review.openstack.org/155310 | 13:44 |
| ityaptin | eglynn: Hi! Could you take a look onto ^^^ ? | 13:45 |
| eglynn | ityaptin: sure, I'll try to get to it today | 13:45 |
| ityaptin | eglynn: Thanks! | 13:46 |
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| sileht | jd__, I still have the issue in gnocchi with my patch :( | 13:58 |
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| jd__ | sileht: weird | 14:05 |
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| cdent | so was the fact that "Liberty" won actually anounced anywhere? | 14:17 |
| jd__ | cdent: on Twitter | 14:20 |
| jd__ | TBH I missed the poll too | 14:20 |
| jd__ | was it announced on openstack-dev? I read my mail too fast sometimes | 14:20 |
| cdent | seems like a good topic for openstack-announce or openstack-dev | 14:20 |
| cdent | I never saw anything and I read pretty closely | 14:20 |
| * cdent wanted lizard | 14:21 | |
| * jd__ wanted Lemming | 14:21 | |
| cdent | liberty is just too ripe for jokes | 14:21 |
| cdent | oh I wanted lemming pre lemming-gate | 14:21 |
| cdent | but once that was no longer an option | 14:21 |
| jd__ | for whatever reason I've been unsubscribed from openstack-announce, thanks for making me realise that cdent | 14:22 |
| ildikov | well, usually the boring ones win... | 14:22 |
| jd__ | ah actually I've never been subscribed I guess | 14:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Saba proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add Disk Meters for ceilometer https://review.openstack.org/145819 | 14:27 |
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| sileht | jd__, I have found the bug \o/ | 14:39 |
| jd__ | sileht: tell me ! | 14:40 |
| sileht | jd__, ARCHIVE_POLICIES is global var and I mock it during the test ... | 14:41 |
| jd__ | boooh | 14:41 |
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| jd__ | where do you mock it sileht? | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed stackforge/gnocchi: Ceph: Don't rely on a particular agg. method https://review.openstack.org/154786 | 14:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed stackforge/gnocchi: Ensure ceilometer alarm is scoped to the project https://review.openstack.org/153326 | 14:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed stackforge/gnocchi: Ceph: Don't rely on a particular agg. method https://review.openstack.org/154786 | 14:46 |
| sileht | jd__, ^^ | 14:47 |
| eglynn | folks I'm stuck on call until 15:15UTC at least | 14:48 |
| eglynn | OK if we delay the weekly meeting by 15 mins? | 14:48 |
| eglynn | (unless someone else wants to start it off at 15:00UTC) | 14:48 |
| jd__ | good for me | 14:49 |
| cdent | ditto | 14:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: correctly leave group when process is stopped https://review.openstack.org/153491 | 14:50 |
| ildikov | fine with me too | 14:50 |
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| j_king | is it possible to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75728/10 and fix it up, rebase it, etc? (offering to do the work if adrian isn't available) | 15:05 |
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| llu-laptop | do we have weekly meeting today? | 15:08 |
| cdent | llu-laptop: yes, but delayed by 15 minutes | 15:09 |
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| fabiog_ | eglynn: no ceilo meeting today? | 15:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed openstack/ceilometer: Storage Layer Implementation for Pipeline Configuration https://review.openstack.org/142592 | 15:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed openstack/ceilometer: [WIP] API design for configuration via data store https://review.openstack.org/155345 | 15:13 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: see backlog, delayed for 15 mins | 15:13 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: no problem, thanks | 15:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed stackforge/gnocchi: WIP start adding gabbi tests to gnocchi https://review.openstack.org/148603 | 15:34 |
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| fabiog_ | eglynn: let's schedule something where I can get a good picture of how Gnocchi will move along with Ceilo and then I can write some documentation, graphs and stuff about it | 16:02 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: and have the team review it | 16:03 |
| gordc | fabiog_: where are you planning on posting it? i feel like no one reads the docs we currently have (and our docs are terrible) | 16:04 |
| cdent | according to discussion on the mailing list, it would be good to have more of these sorts of things on the mailing list | 16:06 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeap, I kinda have to agree with you, but it's even harder to get people interested in taking care of docs than of Gnocchi... | 16:06 |
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| ildikov | gordc: even for the in-tree docs, OS Manuals is a separate question, both are sad stories :( | 16:07 |
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| gordc | ildikov: ... yeah... i was thinking of rewriting our docs...but than i realised i needed to code some tests. | 16:08 |
| ildikov | gordc: well, tests are important too :) | 16:08 |
| cdent | The fundamental problem is that ceilometer is tragically uncool. Until that's a bit better the rest of it is meh. | 16:08 |
| linuxhermit | gordc I'd be happy to help with docs, but it's gonna require learning more first | 16:09 |
| linuxhermit | which is what I'm hoping to do by help with tests | 16:09 |
| ildikov | gordc: so sorry for bothering you with those repeated comments on git ;) | 16:09 |
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| ildikov | gordc: s/git/gerrit/ | 16:10 |
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| gordc | ildikov: oh that... yeah i wasn't referring to that... i don't plan on adding any tests regarding your comment.lol | 16:10 |
| ildikov | gordc: I feel myself as a kindergarden teacher now... :) | 16:11 |
| gordc | you will have to wait for that test. | 16:11 |
| ildikov | gordc: I'm patient | 16:11 |
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| ildikov | gordc: as for the docco stuff, I was wondering to move most of it to OS Manuals and leave architectural and contibution related parts on the Developer docs | 16:12 |
| ildikov | gordc: maybe even a bit duplicated or well referenced | 16:12 |
| gordc | that'd be good. split it between how to deploy and how to dev. | 16:13 |
| ildikov | gordc: but that seems to be a huge amount of work :( | 16:13 |
| ildikov | gordc: we have now too many things duplicated | 16:13 |
| ildikov | gordc: and the measurements page for instance has nothing to do with the Dev docs | 16:14 |
| gordc | deleting is the easy part | 16:14 |
| ildikov | gordc: API reference neither, etc | 16:14 |
| ildikov | gordc: I know, but maybe bad docs is still better than nothing, or not? | 16:14 |
| ildikov | gordc: I can start deleting without any issues :) | 16:15 |
| gordc | i'm pretty sure bad docs == nothing... or worse... | 16:15 |
| gordc | i can't understand how that one op thought mysql was the recommended backend... | 16:15 |
| gordc | i don't think it ever was | 16:15 |
| ildikov | I think a blog mentioned somewhere that it is supported or that they tried with that | 16:16 |
| ildikov | but it's the mission impossible to check blog entries all around the web | 16:16 |
| sileht | jd__, do you want I push a patch for making new gnocchi jobs voting ? | 16:17 |
| ildikov | it couldn't be an info from our (not-)well-maintained docs | 16:17 |
| jd__ | sileht: yep | 16:18 |
| ildikov | gordc: anyway, the plan exists, I "just" need to get some time for it... :) | 16:21 |
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| fabiog_ | gordoc: I think we should have it in the wiki and send an email to the openstack mailing list to point people to it | 16:23 |
| gordc | we all need more time | 16:23 |
| gordc | fabiog_: have what in wiki? | 16:23 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: the detailed plan | 16:24 |
| gordc | ... and which wiki?lol | 16:24 |
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| * gordc thinks that is "which wiki" another problem we have? | 16:24 | |
| fabiog_ | gordc: btw, do you have time to discuss the storage confg stuff? | 16:24 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: I don't understand why you think is useless | 16:24 |
| gordc | fabiog_: sure... later today? in another meeting right now | 16:25 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: ok, probably aft | 16:26 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: I will ping you later. ciao | 16:26 |
| gordc | fabiog_: sounds good. | 16:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rohit Jaiswal proposed openstack/ceilometer: Storage Layer Implementation for Pipeline Configuration https://review.openstack.org/142592 | 17:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Add Disk Meters for ceilometer https://review.openstack.org/145819 | 17:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rohit Jaiswal proposed openstack/ceilometer: Storage Layer Implementation for Pipeline Configuration https://review.openstack.org/142592 | 18:01 |
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| cdent | jd__: is the statsd support in gnocchi an always on kind of thing? Or to put my question more directly: why is statsd configuration required? | 18:06 |
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| gordc | jogo: just an fyi, we're going to monitor the dependency for now... (hopefully your capping makes it less of an issue) | 18:22 |
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| gordc | jogo: we're not able to backport ceilometermiddleware support into juno so we'll need to continue relying on currently middleware. | 18:22 |
| gordc | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-12-15.16.log.html | 18:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rohit Jaiswal proposed openstack/ceilometer: Agent Layer Implementation for Pipeline Configuration https://review.openstack.org/150642 | 18:50 |
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| gordc | fabiog: i should be free to talk after my next meeting (should be free around 315pm EST) | 18:56 |
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| fabiog | gordc: unfortunately I have a bunch of meetings from now to roughly 3pm PDT (which I guess is 6pm your time ...) | 18:57 |
| fabiog | gordc: tomorrow morning may be better | 18:57 |
| gordc | fabiog: cool cool. that's fine with me. | 18:58 |
| fabiog | gordc: do you want me to send you a formal invite :-) ? | 18:59 |
| fabiog | gordc: to reserve the time slot | 18:59 |
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| gordc | fabiog: whatever works for you... my day is pretty free tomorrow before 3pm EST | 19:01 |
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| jogo | gordc: thanks, yeah looks like we are in the clear | 19:07 |
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| maishsk | I would highly suggest that all Ceilometer people go and read this thread (if you have not already seen it) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-February/006235.html | 20:55 |
| gordc | maishsk: we brought it up at today's meeting and have discussed it... | 20:59 |
| maishsk | gordc: is there a log this meeting? | 20:59 |
| gordc | maishsk: i haven't commented personally on it because i don't want to kill the convo and i think it's good to see the pain points. | 20:59 |
| maishsk | of this* | 20:59 |
| gordc | maishsk: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-12-15.16.log.html | 21:00 |
| maishsk | gordc: which is why I raised the question. I have been hearing lately - that people will not deploy this in production - because it is impossible to sustain | 21:00 |
| gordc | not much in action items... we know the issues of ceilometer... but with less than a handful of devs it's pretty hard to make massive changes really quick | 21:01 |
| maishsk | I think that one of the biggest pain points - is the tight coupling of Ceilometer and Heat. | 21:02 |
| gordc | maishsk: it's not new complaint... it's a mix of we lack resources, our docs suck, and ops not understanding completely how to deploy... assign weight as you feel fit | 21:03 |
| maishsk | auto-scaling today completely relies on Ceilometer. So if there was an easy way to swap that out - then I am sorry to say - but probably no-one would use it | 21:03 |
| gordc | if heat could use something that wasn't ceilometer? | 21:03 |
| maishsk | gordc: I dont understand the question? | 21:04 |
| gordc | maishsk: when you say "swap that out" do you mean have heat be less reliant on ceilometer? | 21:04 |
| maishsk | gordc: Yes. swap it out with what - I do not know - but today one cannot autoscale without Ceilometer | 21:05 |
| gordc | maishsk: ... i feel like this is someting to bring up with heat? | 21:06 |
| maishsk | gordc: That is very true - not a ceilometer problem | 21:07 |
| gordc | maishsk: i think the ceilometer devs will continue to develop and attempt to improve ceilometer. | 21:07 |
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| gordc | maishsk: i should add a disclaimer that i don't really focus much on auto-scaling/alarming aspect of ceilometer so if the above comment is wrong feel free to let me know | 21:09 |
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| maishsk | gordc: Just went over the meeting logs. I would suggest that you guys reach out to each and every one of the people in that thread and get a full picture of problems | 21:15 |
| maishsk | (you more or less said that) hear their pains - and see where you can help. I would be happy to participate in such a survey. | 21:16 |
| gordc | maishsk: i'm sure we (i and/or others) will reach out... but i still want to emphasise the "limited resource" comment i made earlier. | 21:17 |
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| gordc | we have a lot of bps and bugs but we don't all work 30hrs a day... except cdent. | 21:18 |
| gordc | cdent works 30hrs a day. | 21:18 |
| maishsk | :) | 21:19 |
| gordc | oh darn.. cdent isn't even on... the one time i complement him he gets lazy... i retract! | 21:20 |
| maishsk | That is something I have yet to understand with Openstack. If there are weak parts in the overall solution (due to lack or resources) it does not only hurt that specific product - but it hurts the whole solution | 21:21 |
| maishsk | Why can resources not be shuffled around? | 21:21 |
| maishsk | the TC should make it priority to find ways to put more effort in getting the contributors back in to help the weak link - and by that make the whole solution a better one | 21:22 |
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| gordc | maishsk: you shouldn't ask that question on the mailing list... you will get a huge thread of polarising comments.lol | 21:22 |
| maishsk | more worms.. yippeee | 21:23 |
| gordc | there's a long history i guess but long story short, it's a lot easier to contribute/build stuff close-source first than to go open straight from the start. | 21:24 |
| maishsk | I dont see how that relates. | 21:25 |
| maishsk | The way I see it is people should be asking themselves... Are we part of the Openstack community - or are we part of the Cinder/Heat/Nova/Glance/Keystone/<place a project here> community | 21:27 |
| gordc | just mentioning that there were more contributers originally in ceilometer. but my comment was not important. | 21:27 |
| maishsk | If it was the first - then resources should be moved around - to where they are needed most. Of course you cannot force anyone to work on something that they dont want to | 21:28 |
| gordc | there's no real way to mandate people work on a project. you just gotta hope that people find a project is worthwhile to contribute too. | 21:28 |
| gordc | certain companies/people think some projects are worth contributing to, others they want to wait and see, and other's they have an alternative. | 21:29 |
| maishsk | but it is worthwhile - because it is part of openstack. Again the solution is only as strong as its weakest link | 21:29 |
| gordc | tell that to your boss ;) | 21:30 |
| j_king | corporate sponsored development. | 21:31 |
| gordc | i say that generally (i have no idea who your boss -- if there is one -- is) | 21:31 |
| maishsk | gordc: Cisco | 21:31 |
| gordc | j_king: got to count the dollars | 21:31 |
| maishsk | j_king: you are correct - but in this case - it should not be the Project who is going around and shnorering for resources. That is not your job | 21:33 |
| gordc | maishsk: yep, i remember the cisco part. didn't want to assume what position you had... but yeah if cisco or any other company wanted to help ceilometer, i think ceilometer and the community would appreciate it | 21:33 |
| maishsk | that is the TC, and the foundation. That would be where I think the work should be done. | 21:34 |
| j_king | maishsk: can always get yourself elected to the TC and make the sweeping mandates and see if anyone listens. :) | 21:34 |
| maishsk | LOL!!!!!!!!! | 21:34 |
| gordc | j_king: i can see that being well received. | 21:34 |
| j_king | yup. | 21:34 |
| maishsk | So as I said this the part of OpenStack I have to understand... | 21:34 |
| maishsk | I have yet* to understand... | 21:35 |
| maishsk | anyways Gents (I hope I have gender correct) It was a pleasure chatting | 21:36 |
| maishsk | thanks for the time and the insights. | 21:37 |
| maishsk | And I will see if I can raise the ceilometer resources help with the powers that be in Cisco - but I do not promise anything | 21:37 |
| gordc | np. thanks for bringing up topic in lists... it was more productive than i thought (i was expecting just 'it doesn't work...<no explanation') | 21:38 |
| gordc | maishsk: i guess better that's better than sayin "you will have resources" and giving false hope :) | 21:39 |
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