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| lsmola | nsaje: ping | 08:46 |
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| ekarlso | Hi, do you guys know of a way to configure multiple notification topics for glance ? | 08:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ren Qiaowei proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: XenAPI support: List the instances https://review.openstack.org/112244 | 09:08 |
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| Manish_ | Hi All | 09:38 |
| Manish_ | i have one query regarding Ceilometer with SWIFT... Can some one in forum help? | 09:38 |
| cmyster | Manish_: just ask, someone will answer (if anyone knows) | 09:39 |
| Manish_ | cmyster: thanks :) | 09:40 |
| Manish_ | Do we need Ceilometer middleware to be placed under SWIFT code base, just for "storage.objects.incoming.bytes" , "storage.objects.outgoing.bytes" and "storage.api.request" ., But not for other meters such as "storage.objects" , "storage.objects.size" etc? | 09:40 |
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| eglynn | Manish_: some of those data can be acquired by *externally* polling the public swift API | 09:55 |
| eglynn | Manish_: i.e. the info needed for "storage.objects" , "storage.objects.size" can be retrieved in that way | 09:55 |
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| Manish_ | eglynn: Thanks for info. I wanted to understand the working of Ceilometer Middleware in more detail | 10:05 |
| eglynn | Manish_: in order to surface per-tenant metrics on the API call traffic, we need to inject the middleware into the swift dispatch path | 10:05 |
| eglynn | Manish_: hence the difference in requirements for the two types of swift meter | 10:06 |
| Manish_ | eglynn: Is it like that everytime a request for READ or WRITE object will come to SWIFT, this middleware will send the data to Ceilometer? | 10:06 |
| eglynn | Manish_: yeap, that was discussed recently on the upstream ML | 10:06 |
| eglynn | Manish_: ... i.e. the scalability concerns around this approach and the possibility to batch up the resultant AMQP traffic | 10:07 |
| Manish_ | eglynn: Is there any other modification required on SWIFT code side for providing support/information to Ceilometer? | 10:07 |
| eglynn | Manish_: no, the middleware can be installed without modify swift code | 10:07 |
| Manish_ | eglynn: i mean for data which can be acquired through external polling, doesn't require any change in SWIFT code as basically they are gathered by Ceilometer through HEAD rest api of SWIFT on Account/Container | 10:08 |
| Manish_ | right? | 10:08 |
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| eglynn | Manish_: yes | 10:09 |
| Manish_ | but for information like incoming bytes and outgoing bytes, we just need to add this middleware in SWIFT code. Is my understanding correct? | 10:09 |
| eglynn | Manish_: yes | 10:11 |
| Manish_ | eglynn: Thank you so much for this information..this is really very helpful :) | 10:11 |
| eglynn | Manish_: np! :) | 10:12 |
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| lsmola | nsaje: eglynn hola | 10:44 |
| lsmola | nsaje: eglynn just a quick check, this should be valid pipeline, right? http://paste.openstack.org/show/90985/ | 10:45 |
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| eglynn | lsmola: fyi nsaje is on PTO | 10:45 |
| * eglynn looks | 10:45 | |
| lsmola | nsaje: eglynn for some reason it duplicates my samples, except of the transformed one | 10:45 |
| lsmola | eglynn: ok, that explains why I didn't see him :-) | 10:46 |
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| lsmola | eglynn: so for 3 sinks, all my samples are there 3 times with same timestamp | 10:46 |
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| eglynn | lsmola: lines 7-9 associate the source with multiple sinks | 10:46 |
| eglynn | lsmola: so the samples should go to each | 10:47 |
| lsmola | eglynn: right, does it mean it should also save them? | 10:47 |
| lsmola | eglynn: cause when I put there just one transformation, it saves just the transformed sample | 10:47 |
| eglynn | lsmola: not sure what you mean by save them? (save them in memory?) | 10:47 |
| lsmola | eglynn: no as samples in the DB | 10:48 |
| eglynn | lsmola: so the transformer will just change the sample and send it onto the publisher | 10:48 |
| eglynn | lsmola: the saving in the DB is done after the published metering message is collected | 10:48 |
| eglynn | lsmola: so let's start with "what behaviour did you expect to see?" | 10:49 |
| lsmola | eglynn: ok | 10:50 |
| lsmola | eglynn: so I want to save all the samples + 2 new samples from transformations | 10:50 |
| eglynn | lsmola: ok | 10:50 |
| lsmola | eglynn: the example pipeline has it similar like this, but I didn't check whether it also duplicates samples | 10:52 |
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| eglynn | lsmola: and what exactly are you seeing, duplicated original samples as well as the transformed samples? | 10:52 |
| lsmola | eglynn: I tried it with multiple sources too, but then it duplicates only the meters defined in the source | 10:52 |
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| lsmola | eglynn: so when I do e.g. sample list for cpu_idle | 10:53 |
| lsmola | eglynn: I see 3 samples with the same timestamp | 10:53 |
| lsmola | eglynn: that means that also each transformer is saving the originaml sample do DB | 10:53 |
| eglynn | lsmola: and for say hardware.system_stats.cpu.util or hardware.memory.swap.util? | 10:53 |
| eglynn | lsmola: how many samples for those? | 10:54 |
| lsmola | eglynn: that has just one sample | 10:54 |
| eglynn | lsmola: one sec | 10:54 |
| lsmola | eglynn: only the source is always duplicated | 10:54 |
| lsmola | eglynn: but only if I have there the blank transformer | 10:54 |
| lsmola | eglynn: if I map e.g. just sink with cpu_util transformer, only cpu_util sample is in the db | 10:55 |
| eglynn | lsmola: OK, so you get either duplication or absence of the original sample? | 10:57 |
| lsmola | eglynn: I wanted to try it with just one sink with multiple transformers, but then the original data were not saved | 10:57 |
| lsmola | eglynn: yes :-) | 10:57 |
| lsmola | eglynn: I guess the most beautiful solution (less code) will be using one sink with 2 transformers and saving original data | 10:58 |
| lsmola | eglynn: but multiple transformers of the same name are probably not allowed, right? so this should be the nicest solution :-) | 10:59 |
| lsmola | eglynn: is there some benefit of defining also multiple sources in the pipeline in this context? | 11:03 |
| eglynn | lsmola: sorry, interrupted there | 11:03 |
| eglynn | lsmola: so that smells like a bug either in the pipeline logic or the transformer | 11:04 |
| eglynn | lsmola: ... but it's not revealing itself to me in a quick code inspection | 11:05 |
| eglynn | lsmola: ... so I'm gonna have to dig some more | 11:05 |
| lsmola | eglynn: right, I didn't see it too | 11:05 |
| eglynn | lsmola: ... I'm late for a call now, will have to get back to this later in the afternoon | 11:05 |
| lsmola | eglynn: walking through transformer code, it seemed to me it is sending just the new Samples | 11:05 |
| lsmola | eglynn: cool, thank you | 11:06 |
| eglynn | lsmola: ... I'll ping you later once I've figured out what's going on | 11:06 |
| lsmola | eglynn: ok, great | 11:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [Hbase] Add column for source filter in _get_meter_samples https://review.openstack.org/100558 | 11:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [HBase] Improve uniqueness for row in meter table https://review.openstack.org/111285 | 11:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Replace datetime of time_constraints by aware object https://review.openstack.org/107332 | 11:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [HBase] Refactor hbase.utils https://review.openstack.org/111270 | 11:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dina Belova proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: [WIP] Add OpenTSDB storage driver https://review.openstack.org/107986 | 12:42 |
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| ekarlso | does ceilometer need to consume from notifications topic or can it do another ? | 13:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Fix make_test_data tools script https://review.openstack.org/109944 | 14:01 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Extracting make_resource_metadata method https://review.openstack.org/109945 | 14:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Allow tests to run outside tox https://review.openstack.org/110262 | 14:06 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: what the fook is that revert bullshit on the specs ? | 14:14 |
| jd__ | is the process is not having 2*+2 to have a spec approved, please let me know | 14:15 |
| jd__ | s/is/if/ | 14:15 |
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| jd__ | Gosh I'm already pissed off by the mount of bureauracy we have so if we start merging, reverting, discussing things even past deadline just to manage some people sensitivity | 14:16 |
| jd__ | be aware that it's starting to getting on my sensitivity too | 14:17 |
| jd__ | http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000831383/polls_funny_pictures_angry_grey_cat_sulks_4410_896402_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg | 14:17 |
| jd__ | :) | 14:17 |
| eglynn | jd__: LOL :) | 14:18 |
| eglynn | jd__: this is a once-off situation, for a *limited* time, where folks thought the patch was merged before their review input could be heard | 14:18 |
| jd__ | those people shoud better than it's a git repository a the good reason we can review and also amend things | 14:18 |
| jd__ | like, send patches | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Use a FakeRequest object to test middleware https://review.openstack.org/110302 | 14:19 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeah, fair point, TBH I was conflicted on the revert also | 14:19 |
| eglynn | jd__: but went ahead so as to be scruplously fair | 14:20 |
| jd__ | I don't think it's fair | 14:20 |
| jd__ | there's no fairness as all rules are violated, in term of delay or process | 14:20 |
| jd__ | that's why I rant, I feel injustice on my side as an approver | 14:21 |
| eglynn | jd__: I feel your pain | 14:22 |
| eglynn | jd__: not meant sarcastically BTW | 14:22 |
| jd__ | :) | 14:22 |
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| jd__ | sure I know you know | 14:23 |
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| eglynn | jd__: so, we've done the meeting on the first alternative approach, and will discus the second alternative approach this evening | 14:23 |
| eglynn | jd__: after than we revert to the normal gerrit based workflow | 14:24 |
| jd__ | I'll think about drinking beers :-> | 14:24 |
| jd__ | did fabio write something concrete? spec anything? | 14:24 |
| eglynn | jd__: a slidedeck | 14:25 |
| jd__ | a slide deck? | 14:25 |
| eglynn | yeap | 14:25 |
| jd__ | are we going to let sales people write spec or what? | 14:25 |
| jd__ | rofl | 14:25 |
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| eglynn | so I'm emphasized the point repeatedly that gerrit is THE vector for discussing design/code ideas needing approval | 14:26 |
| jd__ | amen to that | 14:26 |
| jd__ | I think I'm emphasizing that by mostly making zero effort toward other vectors | 14:26 |
| eglynn | yeap, I hear ya | 14:26 |
| jd__ | but that's my call indeed I don't oblige anyone to do that | 14:27 |
| eglynn | given the complexity of the problem in this case and there being two competing approaches, we'll discuss preso-stylee off-gerrit as a one-time exception | 14:27 |
| eglynn | this is stuff we should prolly have been doing at mid-cycle | 14:27 |
| eglynn | or even in ATL TBH | 14:27 |
| jd__ | I think we did a bit at the mid-cycle? | 14:27 |
| jd__ | or is it different than what we (especially you and fabio) talked about for hours on the whiteboard? | 14:28 |
| eglynn | absolutely we did ... but then lost a bit of momentum straight after | 14:28 |
| cdent | Was nejc at mid-cycle? If not, that's the variable here. | 14:28 |
| eglynn | (due to vacation etc.) | 14:28 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ok | 14:28 |
| jd__ | cdent: nop | 14:28 |
| cdent | His solution, is different enough from the notes at mid-cylce to have thrown things out of wack somewhat | 14:28 |
| eglynn | cdent: Nejc couldn't attend due to university exams that week | 14:29 |
| cdent | (in the right direction I think) | 14:29 |
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| eglynn | cdent: he started with Red Hat the very next week, just unfortunate timing | 14:29 |
| jd__ | bah we can discuss in mid-cycle, summit, hangout, whatever, but the rest is on Gerrit | 14:29 |
| * cdent nods | 14:29 | |
| eglynn | jd__: agreed | 14:29 |
| jd__ | if it's not on Gerrit it doesn't exist | 14:29 |
| cdent | (to both) | 14:29 |
| jd__ | it almost rhymes | 14:29 |
| cdent | OH NOES MY MOM DOESNLT EXIST :( | 14:29 |
| jd__ | cdent: I feel your pain | 14:29 |
| cdent | heh | 14:30 |
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| jd__ | DO NOT TRY TO PATCH MY MOM | 14:30 |
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| cdent | TOO LATE | 14:30 |
| * cdent brings the tone down even more | 14:30 | |
| jd__ | fine, I'll review yours! | 14:30 |
| eglynn | yep, we revert to exclusively gerrit-based spec discussion once I've reciprocated the preso this evening | 14:30 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: if you or someone wants to sum up the yesterday/tonight discussion I'd be glad | 14:31 |
| jd__ | otherwise I'll poke you tomorrow anyway | 14:31 |
| jd__ | just curious | 14:31 |
| eglynn | jd__: FYI the re-submitted patch is here https://review.openstack.org/111978 | 14:32 |
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| eglynn | jd__: TL;DR1: use two database tables to manage contention between agents | 14:32 |
| * jd__ sighs | 14:33 | |
| eglynn | jd__: TL;DR2: discovery agents populate a coarse-grained table to take on responsibility to discover a certain type of resources | 14:33 |
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| eglynn | jd__: TL;DR3: polling agents populate a fine-grained (per-resource) table to take on responsibility to poll an individual resource | 14:34 |
| jd__ | that's the task distribution part, but how do you handle the HA part, how you know an agent is dead/alive? | 14:34 |
| eglynn | jd__: TL;DR4: a subscriber agent listens to AMQP heatbeats and detects when discovery/polling agents fall off a cliff, wipes corresponding rows in DB | 14:34 |
| jd__ | ok | 14:35 |
| jd__ | so suggest to write an oslo.messaging backend to tooz | 14:35 |
| jd__ | that should cover TL;DR4 | 14:35 |
| eglynn | yeap, one of my suggestions last night was that we cleave off two separate problem spaces | 14:35 |
| eglynn | 1. workload distribution amoung agents | 14:36 |
| jd__ | for the task distribution part, I didn't think that through enough but if the hash distribution is enough it's gonna be way better to have a no-sharing method that a db based one | 14:36 |
| jd__ | did someone invite harlowj to those meetings? | 14:36 |
| eglynn | 2. liveness detection within the pool of agents, restarting if necessary | 14:36 |
| eglynn | jd__:yep Josh was invited but on PTO so he deputized Marco | 14:37 |
| jd__ | I'm pretty sure he would be interested to hear about that because it might be something generic enough to repose in taskflow | 14:37 |
| eglynn | yeap, I think that was the reason to invite him | 14:37 |
| jd__ | like the group membership is generic-ized in tooz | 14:37 |
| jd__ | cool | 14:37 |
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| jd__ | grrrr | 14:38 |
| eglynn | jd__: on decomposing the problem, the hash-based approach seems to fully address #1 | 14:38 |
| eglynn | jd__: whereas the "subscriber agent" approach could be used to ensure no worker pool emptiness for #2 | 14:38 |
| eglynn | (or a generalization of same, as part of taskflow) | 14:39 |
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| jd__ | yeah, #2 is entirely covered by tooz, and you can have a oslo.messaging backend to it | 14:39 |
| jd__ | #1 is either taskflow, hash-based or db-based | 14:39 |
| eglynn | in any case, the highest priority for juno is #1 IMO | 14:40 |
| jd__ | your call | 14:40 |
| eglynn | and I think the hash-based approach is the most lightweight way of addressing #1 | 14:40 |
| eglynn | jd__: would you prioritize differently between #1 & #2 for juno? | 14:40 |
| jd__ | I think that too, most lightweight and scalable | 14:40 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think #2 is easier to achieve | 14:41 |
| jd__ | because we already have tooz ready to be used to implement it | 14:41 |
| jd__ | whereas #1 would be more a from scratch start | 14:41 |
| jd__ | but honestly I won't sulk in a corner whatever is prioritized | 14:42 |
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| eglynn | well #1 with the has based approach will also leverage tooz | 14:42 |
| jd__ | we should prioritize what people wants to work on anyway… | 14:42 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yeah, but then you more or less implementing #2 at the same time no? | 14:43 |
| jd__ | if you start using tooz to distribute the tasks, you have liveness detection right away | 14:43 |
| eglynn | tho' yeah, #2 can kinda fall out of the tooz approach also | 14:43 |
| jd__ | to you're kinda doing #1 and #2 at the same time | 14:43 |
| eglynn | we just need to add the restart policies etc. | 14:43 |
| jd__ | s/to/so/ | 14:43 |
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| eglynn | jd__: yeah, liveness detection is needed for the hash-based approach to trigger the bucket resizing | 14:45 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... but the spec doesn't also envisage using that info to drive restrarting agents | 14:46 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... but yeah, seems like a natural extension to the approach | 14:46 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Add the arithmetic transformer endpoint to setup.cfg https://review.openstack.org/111692 | 14:55 |
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| eglynn | jd__: FYI http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042080.html | 15:22 |
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| * cdent eglynn that's a well put together message but it makes it very obvious that there is some skullduggery going on | 15:24 | |
| cdent | whoops that was not supposed to be a /me | 15:24 |
| ddutta | eglynn: hi .... gnocchi sounds interesting .... | 15:24 |
| eglynn | cdent: that was the exact opposite of my intention | 15:25 |
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| cdent | that's unfortunate then eglynn :) | 15:25 |
| cdent | What I mean is that the need for the message points out that people have been talking elsewhere (not ceilo people, but tc etc) | 15:25 |
| eglynn | cdent: the "It's come to my attention ..." bit connotes the skullduggery? | 15:26 |
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| ekarlso | Hi | 15:26 |
| cdent | sort of. Just the message existing in general | 15:26 |
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| ekarlso | do you guys know how I can configure glance to have 2 topics ? | 15:27 |
| cdent | It's not a bad thing, more of an "okay, let's take this out in the open". That's a _good_ thing. | 15:27 |
| eglynn | cdent: I guess the main point I trying to make was it was out in the open all along | 15:28 |
| cdent | I don't think that's really true. It's true that it has never been hidden. | 15:28 |
| cdent | But that's not the same as "out in the open, published, discussed, marketed" | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | cdent: out in the open ... https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-tsdaas | 15:33 |
| eglynn | cdent: published ... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gnocchi | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | cdent: marketed ... http://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/rethinking-ceilometer-metric-storage-with-gnocchi-time-series-as-a-service | 15:33 |
| cdent | No one would ever be able to find those things if you didn't point them or they didn't know some other way to look. | 15:34 |
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| cdent | The only way to publish something so lots of people actually know about is the mailing list. | 15:34 |
| cdent | I'm not trying to argue with you here, just trying to give you some perspective from the ignorant (but wanting not to be) side of the fence. | 15:34 |
| cdent | The Paris presentation is a great idea (I even voted for it) but if you felt compelled to make an email to defray people's concerns about an out of the blue big architectural change, then it is too late as a marketing tool. | 15:36 |
| cdent | it == the presentation | 15:36 |
| cdent | Of course, I'm not really clued up on why you felt compelled to make that posting, so..... who knows? | 15:36 |
| eglynn | well there was no real complusion there | 15:37 |
| eglynn | back-chatter from the TC suggested it would be a good idea to explain the background of what we're doing | 15:38 |
| cdent | okay, well there you go, all my comment was is "your message makes it pretty clear there has been back-chatter" | 15:38 |
| eglynn | a-ha, got it :) | 15:39 |
| cdent | Depending on your standpoint that's either the status quo, or a weakness in the organization. | 15:39 |
| * eglynn was reading more into the word "skullduggery" | 15:39 | |
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| cdent | jd__: I've cooked this patchset to remove swift (again) from the middleware, at the cost of some duplication. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110302/ Given the complexity on the other stuff (using notifications, performance, etc) it is best to just fix this thing and move on? | 15:42 |
| jd__ | cdent: looks like a fair plan to me yeah | 15:42 |
| cdent | thanks | 15:43 |
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| mspreitz | dhellman: are you there? | 17:45 |
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| mspreitz | dhelmann: are you there? | 17:45 |
| mspreitz | dhellmann: are you there? | 17:45 |
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| mspreitz | Does anybody know where Ceilometer's doc/source/contributing/areas.rst goes? Is it sitting nicely formatted somewhere? | 17:48 |
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| mspreitz | Where is it documented how to write cross-references between documents? | 17:52 |
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| gordc | mspreitz: are you asking if the rst files are generated/hosted somewhere? | 17:56 |
| nealph | mspreitz:it's published to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/contributing/areas.html | 17:56 |
| gordc | that^ | 17:56 |
| mspreitz | gordc: yes, as a source of examples for how to do what I want to learn | 17:56 |
| gordc | you can also generate them locally before you check in by running tox -edocs | 17:57 |
| mspreitz | If I had a working tox -docs on my mac I could | 17:57 |
| mspreitz | s/-docs/-edocs/ | 17:57 |
| mspreitz | Any easy way to get all the pre-reqs for tox -edocs on a mac? | 17:58 |
| mspreitz | I tried working through them one by one, until a C compilation problem stopped me | 17:58 |
| gordc | mspreitz: using linux... but i do vaguely remember there being weird side dependencies required to run docs | 17:58 |
| nealph | or using the http://rst.ninjs.org/ tool | 17:59 |
| nealph | if you want to simply see the pretty version. | 17:59 |
| mspreitz | I need cross-references working | 17:59 |
| gordc | what do you get you when you run tox -edocs? | 17:59 |
| mspreitz | between separate docs | 17:59 |
| mspreitz | gordc: ... recreating... | 18:00 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, o/ | 18:01 |
| nealph | eglynn-office: hangouts link? | 18:01 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: o/ | 18:01 |
| DinaBelova | may you share link to the hangout, please | 18:01 |
| eglynn | one sec | 18:01 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha :) | 18:01 |
| eglynn | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g76hohzf4ljsjefkn2irzwdwlma | 18:01 |
| * DinaBelova not alone :) | 18:01 | |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thank you sir :) | 18:01 |
| nealph | DinaBelova: yep. :) | 18:01 |
| eglynn | nealph, DinaBelova, ildikov_, cdent, fabiog, gordc: link above ... | 18:01 |
| cdent | danke | 18:02 |
| mspreitz | gordc: clang: error: unknown argument: '-mno-fused-madd' [-Wunused-command-line-argument-hard-error-in-future] | 18:02 |
| mspreitz | and bad consequences | 18:02 |
| mspreitz | that was while building xattr | 18:03 |
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| mspreitz | is there doc for how to write cross-references? | 18:03 |
| mspreitz | I want to reference a section named "Plugins" in another oc | 18:03 |
| mspreitz | s/oc/doc/ | 18:03 |
| mspreitz | I guess I will follow suit and just reference it without any qualification | 18:04 |
| mspreitz | like areas.rst does | 18:04 |
| eglynn | nealph, DinaBelova, ildikov_, cdent, fabiog, gordc: slides are at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fUMG5EPMAt2YPuPNslZgnhQQQKO12kwagYcHAJy3T-g/edit?usp=sharing | 18:04 |
| mspreitz | but: is there a way to make such a reference in-line, rather than as a display? | 18:05 |
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| gordc | ... another doc outside of ceilometer docs? there's a few examples if you search through rst | 18:05 |
| gordc | i've no idea what that error is.lol | 18:05 |
| fabiog | eoghan: I cannot hear anything | 18:05 |
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| DinaBelova | fabiog, hm | 18:05 |
| mspreitz | gordc: examples of inline cross-references? | 18:05 |
| DinaBelova | it was for a while for me as wel | 18:05 |
| DinaBelova | well | 18:05 |
| DinaBelova | then it was ok | 18:06 |
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| mspreitz | gordc: I assume my problem with building xattr is some undeclared prereq of xattr | 18:06 |
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| gordc | oh... that's the error you get with your edits? | 18:07 |
| mspreitz | OK, I am finding inline cross-references | 18:08 |
| mspreitz | gordc: the clang error I quoted is from when `tox -edocs` is installing pre-reqs for building docs | 18:08 |
| gordc | mspreitz: cool cool. yeah. do that. i typically just copy/modify. | 18:08 |
| gordc | mspreitz: oh... yeah i've never seen taht before... no idea what that is. | 18:08 |
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| cdent | done with call eglynn or still going? | 19:19 |
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| eglynn | cdent: hangout finished about 10 mins ago | 19:19 |
| cdent | cool, thanks | 19:19 |
| DinaBelova | https://review.openstack.org/67164 and https://review.openstack.org/70998 :) | 19:23 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn ^^ :) | 19:23 |
| cdent | "Until there is a ceilometer flush implemented, we should not land any more of these." | 19:24 |
| cdent | what does that even mean? | 19:24 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, I guess the question is with periodical (and actually not predictable) ceilometer notification tests failures we met with merged nova notifications | 19:25 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, the reason is still mystique | 19:25 |
| DinaBelova | as there was no actual reason for them found | 19:25 |
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| cdent | But if it is "notifications" then a flush on the ceilometer side seems the wrong side of the bus to be flushing? | 19:25 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, yeah, it might be so | 19:26 |
| DinaBelova | probably I need to find more nice words here | 19:26 |
| cdent | :) | 19:26 |
| DinaBelova | folks, btw - eglynn, ildikov_, cdent - my mongodb trusty experimental job was merged | 19:27 |
| * cdent loves merges | 19:27 | |
| DinaBelova | so let's try "check experimental" on the changes you'd love to check | 19:27 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, hehe :) | 19:27 |
| DinaBelova | indeed :) | 19:27 |
| ildikov_ | DinaBelova: cool :) | 19:27 |
| DinaBelova | I've done some fixes, etc. while this noop change testing - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111691/ | 19:28 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: yay! nice work! :) | 19:28 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, ildikov_ - yeah :) | 19:28 |
| ildikov_ | DinaBelova: yeap, good job! :) | 19:28 |
| DinaBelova | so let's try this command in different changes - just to have more statistics here if it's stable | 19:28 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov_, thanks :) | 19:28 |
| DinaBelova | currently it looks really ok - at least, for now | 19:29 |
| DinaBelova | and if it'll be stable - let's say next week - I'll make it not experimental | 19:29 |
| ildikov_ | DinaBelova: sounds good, we need some periods when things at least look ok :) | 19:29 |
| DinaBelova | just not-voting, but ordinary one | 19:29 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov_, yes, exactly | 19:29 |
| DinaBelova | we have too much gate instability sometimes | 19:29 |
| DinaBelova | don't want to bring new one :D | 19:29 |
| ildikov_ | DinaBelova: anyway, looks like a good plan | 19:30 |
| ildikov_ | DinaBelova: yeap, indeed :) | 19:30 |
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| eglynn | amalagon: o/ | 19:31 |
| eglynn | amalagon: belated 1:1 time? | 19:32 |
| amalagon | yeah - 2 mins | 19:32 |
| cdent | DinaBelova: if you figure out some way to explore those non-deterministic issues (Sean's concerns) please let me know, it's something I'd like to help improve | 19:34 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, thank you sir, your help will be really great here. Vadim <vrovachev> spent some time on trying to figure this out... sadly without the success - as locally it was completely ok | 19:35 |
| DinaBelova | after several tries | 19:35 |
| DinaBelova | so that was like dead-end research | 19:36 |
| DinaBelova | without any clear result | 19:36 |
| cdent | My problem at this stage is that I don't know what's required to replicate the situation | 19:36 |
| cdent | I still have quite a lot of ignorance about how I can run those tests myself | 19:36 |
| cdent | (at least in a way that is similar to what the gate does) | 19:37 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, some field to run tempest and try to test it | 19:37 |
| DinaBelova | actually that is devstack vm | 19:37 |
| DinaBelova | with tempest then running on it | 19:37 |
| DinaBelova | sometimes that occurs in the gate | 19:37 |
| DinaBelova | *sometimes* | 19:37 |
| DinaBelova | that's the main word | 19:37 |
| DinaBelova | it seems not to depend on node type, whatever | 19:38 |
| DinaBelova | I found no connection or smth actually similar between successful runs and not successful ones | 19:38 |
| DinaBelova | so kind of mystery | 19:38 |
| cdent | the fault is that sometimes notificaitons fail to show up? | 19:39 |
| DinaBelova | yeah - no notifications came and that's it | 19:39 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn even made nova notifications passed currently | 19:39 |
| DinaBelova | as all gate became unstable with these ones running | 19:40 |
| * DinaBelova needs to go, 11:40pm local time | 19:40 | |
| DinaBelova | cdent, let's continue this discussion tomorrow | 19:40 |
| cdent | sure, I should be here all tday | 19:41 |
| DinaBelova | I'll have pto tomorrow (paid time off) - but I'll be around close to the irc meeting for sure | 19:41 |
| DinaBelova | probably some other time too | 19:41 |
| cdent | well, no rush | 19:41 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 19:41 |
| DinaBelova | thanks for the productive day :) | 19:41 |
| DinaBelova | see u folks! | 19:41 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, ildikov_, eglynn - goodbye! | 19:42 |
| cdent | see ya | 19:42 |
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| ildikov_ | DinaBelova: good night! | 19:42 |
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