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| sdake | rhalliey you pinged me earlier | 00:37 |
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| rhallisey | oh I said cinder is having some issue | 00:37 |
| sdake | rhallisey you pinged me earlier | 00:37 |
| sdake | ya looking at outstanding bugs we could probably release with the dhcp bug fixed | 00:37 |
| rhallisey | ya | 00:37 |
| rhallisey | fixed a ton of bugs today but stilll more to go | 00:38 |
| sdake | well we dont haeto have a bugfree milestone reelase | 00:38 |
| sdake | but it should work\ | 00:38 |
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| rhallisey | well I was hoping for full cinder | 00:39 |
| rhallisey | I'm going to try and revert to and old patch because I'm seeing an old error | 00:39 |
| sdake | i'm going back to bed | 00:39 |
| rhallisey | night man | 00:40 |
| sdake | apologies for being mia | 00:40 |
| rhallisey | no problem | 00:40 |
| sdake | but root canal pretty serious surgery | 00:40 |
| rhallisey | it was handled | 00:40 |
| rhallisey | ya sorry to hear | 00:40 |
| sdake | shit happens | 00:40 |
| sdake | atlesat it was done well | 00:40 |
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| sdake | rhallisey re the rest of kolla, are services generally working well now? | 02:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed stackforge/kolla: Add base image for Ubuntu https://review.openstack.org/196172 | 06:46 |
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| SamYaple | morning | 07:51 |
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| SamYaple | GODDAMMIT | 08:50 |
| SamYaple | fucking docker | 08:51 |
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| sdake | samyaple about | 10:11 |
| SamYaple | yup | 10:13 |
| SamYaple | youre up early/late | 10:13 |
| SamYaple | sdake: did you see the bug comment? | 10:13 |
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| SamYaple | sdake_: were you sleep typing again? | 10:19 |
| sdake_ | nah i slept all day friday | 10:19 |
| sdake_ | so awake now | 10:19 |
| SamYaple | did you see the bug comment/ | 10:20 |
| sdake_ | from 10am until about 10pm or so | 10:20 |
| sdake_ | didn'tsee | 10:20 |
| sdake_ | let me look | 10:20 |
| sdake_ | thans for commenting - that is what i wanted to talk about | 10:20 |
| SamYaple | badnewsbears.jpg | 10:20 |
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| sdake_ | can you implement option #1, with wiating for docker 1.8 to fully thinify the containers | 10:23 |
| sdake_ | why wa it reverted btw | 10:23 |
| sdake_ | you wlll go to the degoba system | 10:24 |
| SamYaple | commit message says it "breaks live migration", but it looks like it only breaks it when dealing with bind mounted volumes and live migration | 10:24 |
| sdake_ | live migration of qemu? | 10:24 |
| SamYaple | no of docker containers | 10:25 |
| SamYaple | flocker | 10:25 |
| sdake_ | do they have a plan to fix it | 10:25 |
| sdake_ | or did they give up on the concept | 10:25 |
| SamYaple | considering there is no bug reports around, and this popped in and out between a release, the only way to "fix" this is from outside pressure | 10:26 |
| SamYaple | the easiest way to get that is to have this be a daemon runtime option in a stable release | 10:26 |
| sdake_ | i'll ping lk4d4 on monday about it | 10:26 |
| SamYaple | we could also do a custom/signed docker build as another option | 10:27 |
| SamYaple | not my favorite idea | 10:27 |
| sdake_ | i dont want to be in the business of building doker | 10:27 |
| SamYaple | yea | 10:27 |
| sdake_ | so re optoin #1 | 10:28 |
| sdake_ | what kind of timeframe we taking about to get it implemented | 10:28 |
| SamYaple | i can redo it tonight, just get the plugin agent seperated and it wont be so bad | 10:29 |
| SamYaple | just no namepsaces on the host :/ | 10:29 |
| SamYaple | no* | 10:29 |
| sdake_ | well lets assume that we will get that mount propogation feature back in at some point in the future | 10:29 |
| sdake_ | so the namespace on the host prolem wont be a problem long term | 10:29 |
| sdake_ | was that coherent :) | 10:30 |
| SamYaple | we _might_ be able to get it back in Docker1.7.1 if they go for a quick daemon argument | 10:30 |
| * SamYaple sighs | 10:31 | |
| SamYaple | ive been talking about this mount progogation thing :( | 10:31 |
| sdake_ | what do you mean | 10:32 |
| SamYaple | to coworkers | 10:32 |
| sdake_ | sorry just got up brain not booted | 10:32 |
| SamYaple | because this is a pain point for OSAD | 10:32 |
| SamYaple | "namespaces on host" | 10:32 |
| sdake_ | you mean debugging purposes | 10:33 |
| SamYaple | debugging, troubleshooting, quality assurance | 10:33 |
| SamYaple | everything really | 10:33 |
| SamYaple | having to enter into a container to enter the namespaces is a huge PITA for day to day life | 10:33 |
| SamYaple | when you talk to lk4d4 reference the commit i posted. I would be ok with a deamon option, environment variable, anything to make privatefs be configurable | 10:34 |
| sdake_ | so looking at hat patch | 10:36 |
| sdake_ | privatefs = true was it false previously? | 10:37 |
| sdake_ | can ou explain what it does so i can talk with lk4d4 aout it intelligently | 10:40 |
| sdake_ | or another option is we can grill him together ;) | 10:40 |
| sdake_ | this woudl be my preferred approach but i'm not sure if your tz's match up | 10:40 |
| sdake_ | because its an exxecdriver, I think a config option may be a nonstarter (cmd line option) | 10:43 |
| sdake_ | envronment variable may be more acceptable | 10:44 |
| sdake_ | so if we do option #1, is ovs agent going to work properly | 10:47 |
| sdake_ | or is work needed there to fat-ify it a bit? | 10:47 |
| sdake_ | samyaple awake bake up ;) | 10:47 |
| sdake_ | back up that is | 10:47 |
| SamYaple | sdake_: sorry baby feeding | 10:58 |
| sdake_ | ack | 10:58 |
| SamYaple | sometime after 1.6.0 the privatefs = true we removed so the container was created without private namepsaces | 10:59 |
| SamYaple | https://github.com/docker/docker/commit/ff770d33cdee5ab4dc0bdeb06dcfea49aa72ab8e | 10:59 |
| SamYaple | that chagne reverts it back to the 1.6 behaviour | 10:59 |
| SamYaple | it needs to be toggleable/configurable | 10:59 |
| sdake_ | why is it a config optioin internally if not confiurable? | 11:00 |
| SamYaple | at least on a per volume level ( docker run -v /run/netns:/run/netns:private or something like that) | 11:00 |
| SamYaple | container is an object for namespaces and what not, not a docker construct | 11:00 |
| sdake_ | so we want the volume created with a shared namespace then? | 11:01 |
| SamYaple | anyway. short and simple is if you want mountpoints to propogate down, the namespaces cant be private | 11:01 |
| SamYaple | "shared" is the wrong term | 11:01 |
| SamYaple | not-private is correct | 11:02 |
| sdake_ | it appears the docker cats think private should be the defautl | 11:02 |
| sdake_ | so if we have a -v /ru/netns:/run/netns:not-private ? | 11:02 |
| SamYaple | i dont really care what the default is as long as we have a method to do it the way we want | 11:02 |
| sdake_ | well what i'm aing is the default is probably going to be whatever it is in 1.7.0 | 11:03 |
| sdake_ | so what shoud the volume flag be called? | 11:03 |
| SamYaple | the initial commit that turned _off_ private namespaces planned to implement them as a flag on the volumes | 11:03 |
| sdake_ | itw ould be hepful if I knew go so I could implement the patch ;) | 11:03 |
| SamYaple | there is no reason private needs to be the default as was argued before the initial commit | 11:04 |
| SamYaple | the _only_ reason this got turned back on was because it probably broke flocker or some other big names in docker before the 1.7 release | 11:04 |
| sdake_ | well the arguemnt will be "it fucks up flocker" which is a docker thing and therefore there interest will be that flcoer is not busted | 11:04 |
| sdake_ | meanning private will be the new default | 11:05 |
| SamYaple | i dont disagree. i also dont care what the defaults are, but this should be configurable | 11:05 |
| sdake_ | got that part, where did the original commit come from where the person said "we are making it confiurable" and then didnt finish the job | 11:05 |
| SamYaple | it was a "we should do that if the need arises" comment in the initial commit thread for turning off private namepsace | 11:06 |
| SamYaple | cant find it at the moment | 11:06 |
| SamYaple | they refactored the files making history go *poof* | 11:06 |
| sdake_ | if you can find it it would be helpful with communication wiht lk4d4 | 11:06 |
| sdake_ | i see | 11:06 |
| sdake_ | so basically they added a bunch of code to do the prviate/nonprivate implementation | 11:07 |
| sdake_ | and the made the default something that busted flocker | 11:07 |
| sdake_ | so that person should fix it ideally :) | 11:07 |
| SamYaple | no. that commit is literally the only thing that changed | 11:07 |
| sdake_ | something added the config option right? | 11:08 |
| SamYaple | there was never a config option | 11:08 |
| SamYaple | 11:06 < SamYaple> it was a "we should do that if the need arises" comment in the initial commit thread for turning off private namepsace | 11:08 |
| sdake_ | in the object | 11:08 |
| SamYaple | no in the PR | 11:08 |
| sdake_ | where is that thread | 11:08 |
| SamYaple | dude i just said i dont know. im looking. they refactored so history is gone | 11:08 |
| sdake_ | i see | 11:09 |
| sdake_ | ok :) | 11:09 |
| sdake_ | 4am, slack plz :) | 11:09 |
| SamYaple | https://github.com/docker/libcontainer/pull/520 | 11:09 |
| SamYaple | https://github.com/docker/docker/pull/13854 | 11:10 |
| sdake_ | cool dan walsh | 11:10 |
| SamYaple | looks like the daemon flag is already being discussed in that latest pull thread | 11:10 |
| sdake_ | maybe he can fix it | 11:10 |
| SamYaple | yea this was a quick reaction to fix a regression before release of 1.7 | 11:12 |
| SamYaple | this will be re-reverted in 1.8 in some form probably, if we keep pressure on it | 11:12 |
| sdake_ | it would help if someone had a pull request ready to go | 11:14 |
| sdake_ | I'll talk to dwalsh monday | 11:14 |
| sdake_ | maybe he cando that work | 11:14 |
| sdake_ | or find soemone at rht to do it | 11:14 |
| sdake_ | I'd do it but I don't know go | 11:14 |
| SamYaple | i dont even understand what the CRIU issue is, but it appears to be a kernel bug. thats a bit beyond my level | 11:14 |
| SamYaple | makign it configurable, that I can do | 11:14 |
| sdake_ | configurable via -v option? | 11:22 |
| sdake_ | that seems like the best option to make all parties happy | 11:22 |
| sdake_ | i'll start off with a private email | 11:25 |
| sdake_ | dwalsh doesn't respond on irc super well but tends to read his email | 11:25 |
| sdake_ | he has alot of channels to watch after | 11:25 |
| sdake_ | brb reconnecting to vpn | 11:26 |
| sdake_ | oh already connected nm :) | 11:27 |
| sdake_ | samyaple would -v work with -v private and -v non-private in same container? | 11:30 |
| sdake_ | or is he container all or nothing | 11:30 |
| SamYaple | i honestly dont know the way they do volume mounts | 11:30 |
| SamYaple | I want to say yes, but i guess it really depends | 11:30 |
| SamYaple | i cant say im 100% sure that a mount namespace set to private doesnt force that option down the chain | 11:31 |
| SamYaple | so ill revert | 11:31 |
| SamYaple | for simplicities sake well have 2 containers. one for neutron-agents (dhcp l3 metadata), the other for hte plugin agents (openvswitch linuxbridge) | 11:32 |
| SamYaple | I am very disappoint | 11:34 |
| SamYaple | sdake_ I just had a brilliant idea! why dont we just force people to use docker 1.7.0-rc2 forever!?! | 11:40 |
| sdake_ | rc2 has the working code? | 11:41 |
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| SamYaple | yea | 11:41 |
| SamYaple | but it twas a joke | 11:41 |
| SamYaple | we may yet have a chance to fix this before liberty | 11:42 |
| SamYaple | 1.8 will be out in 2-3 months | 11:43 |
| SamYaple | oh oh oh i know! restart the container between each neutron network creation or deletion! | 11:45 |
| SamYaple | yea thatll work | 11:45 |
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| sdake | samyaple sorry power problems | 12:03 |
| sdake | i thought about whaty ou aid though re rc2 forcing | 12:03 |
| sdake | I think if we were to do that we would need a group vote on that concept (at wednesdays'meeting) | 12:04 |
| sdake | I want to release prior to that | 12:04 |
| sdake | So lets proceed with a partial revert/rework to get the reelase out | 12:05 |
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| sdake | and we can mae a deicisoin on wednesday for long term solution | 12:05 |
| sdake | my concern is that the docer cats may never ccept that featrure | 12:06 |
| sdake | ad we would be stuc o rc2 foreer | 12:06 |
| sdake | so my gut says the oeast risy way is to just do the rewori ajd get that problem solved upstream first | 12:08 |
| sdake | so I am not totally supportive of that model | 12:08 |
| sdake | so please proceed with the plan you have of making fat containers except for linuxbridge and ovs | 12:10 |
| sdake | and we can make a longer term decision on wednesday | 12:10 |
| sdake | i am doubtful the team will support that model | 12:10 |
| sdake | (the rc2 lockin foreer) | 12:11 |
| sdake | but worth a discussion and I'll add to agenda? | 12:11 |
| sdake | sound good? | 12:11 |
| sdake | I'll try to get lk4d4 to port into 1.7.1 the change if he can | 12:11 |
| sdake | so we have a viable solution quickly and are't waiting 2 months for 1.8 of docker | 12:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed stackforge/kolla: Partially revert thin neutron containers https://review.openstack.org/196374 | 12:15 |
| SamYaple | 11:41 < sdake_> rc2 has the working code? | 12:15 |
| SamYaple | 11:41 < SamYaple> yea | 12:15 |
| SamYaple | 11:42 < SamYaple> but it twas a joke | 12:15 |
| SamYaple | 11:43 < SamYaple> we may yet have a chance to fix this before liberty | 12:15 |
| SamYaple | 11:43 < SamYaple> 1.8 will be out in 2-3 months | 12:15 |
| SamYaple | 11:45 < SamYaple> oh oh oh i know! restart the container between each neutron network creation or deletion! | 12:15 |
| SamYaple | 11:45 < SamYaple> yea thatll work | 12:15 |
| SamYaple | 11:45 * SamYaple cries a little | 12:15 |
| * sdake cries alot | 12:16 | |
| sdake | fetch me some anestaphine from the medlock ;) | 12:16 |
| SamYaple | testing the patch I just pushed now | 12:16 |
| sdake | ok if you dont want me to bring it up wed I wont :) | 12:16 |
| SamYaple | its not too much rework | 12:16 |
| sdake | cool | 12:16 |
| SamYaple | i dont want to require a dev branch, and an old RC at that to make this work | 12:16 |
| sdake | i'll test once you give it a once-over | 12:16 |
| SamYaple | well never be viewed as stable | 12:16 |
| sdake | agree | 12:17 |
| sdake | that is my concern as well | 12:17 |
| SamYaple | the fact is most people wont even notice what I am talking about with the namepsaces.... until they start REALLY using it | 12:17 |
| SamYaple | just trying to head of the storm and get this production ready now | 12:17 |
| sdake | did mordred get the relicense wrapped up per chance? | 12:18 |
| SamYaple | not that he has told me | 12:18 |
| sdake | wouldl you ping him monday | 12:19 |
| sdake | since that seems to be our main blocker atm | 12:19 |
| sdake | maybe we can release today if this change works | 12:19 |
| SamYaple | sdake: im sure we can release today | 12:28 |
| SamYaple | its not a big blocker for me. ive got my local branch wit hthe modules and im working on rabbit and mysql | 12:28 |
| sdake | yup i'm good with releasing with a broken horizon | 12:28 |
| SamYaple | horizon is broken? | 12:28 |
| sdake | sampyaple I want to distribute the work | 12:28 |
| SamYaple | I was always going to be the one going mariadb and rabbit | 12:28 |
| SamYaple | those are... unique | 12:29 |
| sdake | so other popele can do it and learn on it as well | 12:29 |
| SamYaple | the openstack stuff is quick and easy | 12:29 |
| sdake | yup would still like to distribute the work | 12:29 |
| SamYaple | itll be more conversation about "why" than "how" | 12:29 |
| SamYaple | yea i dont plan on doing it all | 12:29 |
| SamYaple | after i get this stuff done im on to source releases | 12:29 |
| sdake | hopefully yo ucan fit the single nic thing in there too :) | 12:30 |
| SamYaple | i plan on having a talk about source kolla stuff at the summit | 12:30 |
| sdake | since that is a blocker for liberty 2 | 12:30 |
| SamYaple | depends, i can do it with openvswitch | 12:30 |
| sdake | yup | 12:30 |
| SamYaple | but that doesnt really have config-internal support | 12:30 |
| sdake | with ovs | 12:30 |
| sdake | someone can add it i'm sure | 12:31 |
| sdake | we will probably get requests for internal support for ovs | 12:31 |
| sdake | i want to not get in the business of doing all the internal work for everything | 12:31 |
| sdake | but for ovs i think we should make an effort | 12:31 |
| sdake | since that is how tripleo deploys | 12:31 |
| sdake | i'll find someone else to do that part | 12:31 |
| sdake | maybe jpeeler or rhallisey can tackle it | 12:32 |
| sdake | or inc0 | 12:32 |
| sdake | there are alot of folks that do want internal support for tripleo | 12:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Rostecki proposed stackforge/kolla: Add base image for Ubuntu https://review.openstack.org/196172 | 13:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed stackforge/kolla: Partially revert thin neutron containers https://review.openstack.org/196374 | 13:45 |
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| sdake | morning | 15:45 |
| sdake | samyaple any word on test status? | 15:45 |
| SamYaple | sdake: still testing. containers are building in gate, not on my host | 15:47 |
| SamYaple | really need a new build system | 15:47 |
| SamYaple | oh well would you look at that | 15:47 |
| SamYaple | Successfully built image in /tmp/kolla-workdir.Fdhwo7PK2L/docker/centos/rdo/neutron/neutron-agents | 15:47 |
| SamYaple | youre a lucky charm sdake | 15:47 |
| sdake | most people think I'm a headache | 15:51 |
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| steakache | rhallisey asuming that patch wors, can you make yourself available today to approve it | 15:52 |
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| sdake | neutron-agents are dhcp and friends? | 15:53 |
| rhallisey | which | 15:53 |
| rhallisey | ok | 15:53 |
| sdake | the neutron one | 15:53 |
| sdake | dont approve yet | 15:53 |
| rhallisey | kk | 15:53 |
| sdake | I need to verify it as well | 15:53 |
| sdake | after sam tests it | 15:53 |
| rhallisey | il be around for another hour | 15:53 |
| rhallisey | then later today | 15:53 |
| sdake | later today is good | 15:53 |
| sdake | it will probably take me 2-3 hours to get my env going | 15:53 |
| sdake | even though we are two days past deadline date, its not terrible | 15:54 |
| sdake | I hate to be a week late with software tho (monday0 :( | 15:54 |
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| SamYaple | alright how messed with keystone | 16:20 |
| SamYaple | keystone wont start because keystone is waiting for keystone | 16:20 |
| SamYaple | who* | 16:20 |
| SamYaple | waiting for Keystone @ http://192.168.31.12:35357/v2.0 | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | File "/usr/bin/keystone-all", line 6, in <module> | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | from keystone.cmd.all import main | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/keystone/cmd/all.py", line 33, in <module> | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | from keystone.server import eventlet as eventlet_server | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/keystone/server/eventlet.py", line 23, in <module> | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | from oslo_service import service | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | ImportError: No module named oslo_service | 16:22 |
| SamYaple | jeez these packages are far from stable | 16:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sam Yaple proposed stackforge/kolla: Partially revert thin neutron containers https://review.openstack.org/196374 | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | sdake_ rhallisey harmw jpeeler ^^ please review https://review.openstack.org/196374 | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | it is all functional now, but before you commit please ensure it passes the gate | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | heading to sleep. if it needs another patch onto, feel free to add onto that patch. make sure to add the co-authored-by line so you get credit | 16:43 |
| sdake_ | samyaple file bug for keystone oslo_service | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | oh off to sleep | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | I'll file a bug and finish testing | 16:54 |
| sdake_ | hey guys I'm heading to the hifi shop for a couple hours, bbiaf | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | ya something changed in cinder | 17:28 |
| rhallisey | the package... | 17:28 |
| rhallisey | grr... broke my container | 17:29 |
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